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pete scalia
10-24-2007, 08:49 PM
I have a project that is going to require in grade lights (requested by the owner). It is right on the beach literally. There is a rip rap dividing the owners yard from the sandy private beach. The caretaker has advised me that when there is a large storm (usually the remnants of a hurricane that makes it up the coast) the sea water has come over the stone rip rap and has blanketed the yard in about 2-4" of sea water. All the plantings are tolerant of sea salt and the fixtures need to be as well. That was made clear to me. Usually the water only remains for a few hrs at most because the soil is very sandy. I need an ingrade that is suitable for these conditions. My search has lead me to the Kim Minivault.
I'd like to use it but will this fixture remain watertight when submerged for a few hours or should I go with a fixture that is rated for underwater use?

irrig8r
10-24-2007, 09:22 PM
Why does it have to be ingrade?
Ever looked at fixtures from Beachside Lighting?

http://www.beachsidelighting.com/index.php

pete scalia
10-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Why does it have to be ingrade?
Ever looked at fixtures from Beachside Lighting?

http://www.beachsidelighting.com/index.php

The owner doesn't want to see any lights
Thanks for the lead
Nice lights
But they are in Hawaii
Gotta be expensive to ship here
I have a source for Kim on LI

Anyone have any experience with the Minivault for temporary submersion

Go Halogen
10-24-2007, 09:58 PM
These have survived some standing water in Dewey Beach, DE.
Taake a look.

-Andy

pete scalia
10-24-2007, 09:59 PM
Is that Vista?

Go Halogen
10-24-2007, 10:01 PM
Yes.....These are images from their web site.

pete scalia
10-24-2007, 10:02 PM
Yes.....These are images from their web site.

thanks I'll look into them. Is this fixture the same as their submersible that some have claimed leaks here ?

ccfree
10-24-2007, 10:06 PM
Hey Pete, the problem with underwater rated lights, is they must stay submerged in order to keep them cool. What you are looking for is a wet/dry fixture. Not many of these around. I know that Kasco has one but it is a bullet. You might also look at Hydrel. They have one but I know it is pricey. The only other option I can think of is a well light by FX Luminaire. I have been told that the fixture inside on the canister is built to waterproof specifications. Double check on that though. Maybe that will help.

Lite4
10-24-2007, 10:09 PM
No pete, that was an underwater fixture from Vista. The light does not leak, precautions need to be taken to seal the end of the wire insulation jacket, but the fixtures are sound. I have used those shown above. One thing you need to be certain of is that the screws are tight when you install them or they will leak. I have had a few instances of this. It was most unsatisfying.

Go Halogen
10-24-2007, 10:10 PM
No, these are a bit different. The type that were discussed before are the 5263 in-ground path lights. They can leak if the cover is removed and not replaced correctly. The screws need to be tightened slowly and evenly or else gap is produced.

Greg_B
10-24-2007, 10:53 PM
Why does it have to be ingrade?
Ever looked at fixtures from Beachside Lighting?

http://www.beachsidelighting.com/index.php

Not sure how their low voltage stuff is but my tiki torches are from Beachside lighting. They have a steel washer that is rusting over the bronze fitting. I need to take them apart and replace the washer with a stainless steel piece. I shouldn't have to do that after 3 months.

http://tiki.beachsidelighting.com/images/Ohe_Light_Nice_s.jpg

pete scalia
10-24-2007, 11:06 PM
Thanks for all the info guys. I think I'm set on the kim fixture I just want to make sure that it will stay dry under those conditions.

pete scalia
10-24-2007, 11:19 PM
Not sure how their low voltage stuff is but my tiki torches are from Beachside lighting. They have a steel washer that is rusting over the bronze fitting. I need to take them apart and replace the washer with a stainless steel piece. I shouldn't have to do that after 3 months.

http://tiki.beachsidelighting.com/images/Ohe_Light_Nice_s.jpg

Greg please see your PM. I will find you help.
Thanks,
Pete S.

Chris J
10-24-2007, 11:20 PM
Not sure how their low voltage stuff is but my tiki torches are from Beachside lighting. They have a steel washer that is rusting over the bronze fitting. I need to take them apart and replace the washer with a stainless steel piece. I shouldn't have to do that after 3 months.

http://tiki.beachsidelighting.com/images/Ohe_Light_Nice_s.jpg

Check out Gregg! Thanks for the advice on the tiki's! I told you that you would start to become an expert advisor on this board sooner or later.

Lite4
10-24-2007, 11:55 PM
Cool tikis Greg. Thanks for the link.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-25-2007, 07:44 AM
Nightscaping Vermeer. No doubt about it... they will last, not leak and are easily configurable.

They have a LIFETIME guarantee too.