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FIMCO-MEISTER
10-26-2007, 06:02 PM
this elderly couple got screwed. Lousy work. look at these pics and find the faults. The call was for a leak. Turned out it was from a previous repair glue joint. Both valves were squeezed into 1 6' valve box.

FIMCO-MEISTER
10-26-2007, 06:06 PM
I actually did this. haven't glued a valve job in ages since I send those jobs Henry's way cuz of all the digging. Took three pics to help Jon determine if the red line is needed.

londonrain
10-26-2007, 06:06 PM
:as valve backs out of tee:

londonrain
10-26-2007, 06:14 PM
wire nuts only......

hoskm01
10-26-2007, 06:46 PM
Your primer hand seems a bit shaky/loose/ free-willed.
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92163&stc=1&d=1193436308



Joint stress?

CAPT Stream Rotar
10-26-2007, 07:02 PM
I never thought the day i see Fimco and under stress in the same sentence


::::: shock::::::

Flow Control
10-26-2007, 08:27 PM
Is that non-potable pipe?:laugh: joking.....

FIMCO-MEISTER
10-26-2007, 09:16 PM
Your primer hand seems a bit shaky/loose/ free-willed.
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92163&stc=1&d=1193436308



Joint stress?

It was a brand new can of primer. I'm a sloppy primer person. Tend to dob a lot and slop over everything. I guess I'm thinking BBQ sauce. The pipe pulled out of the glue joint. BUT the previous person should have replaced both valves not one since the other was an old HR-1 and he left dry splices all over the place.

londonrain
10-26-2007, 09:53 PM
It was a brand new can of primer. I'm a sloppy primer person. Tend to dob a lot and slop over everything. I guess I'm thinking BBQ sauce. The pipe pulled out of the glue joint. BUT the previous person should have replaced both valves not one since the other was an old HR-1 and he left dry splices all over the place.I did notice the 2400 and did notice the other valve was not the same since the solenoid was off-set but missed the classic cracked bonnet or cracked body:hammerhead: ....

londonrain
10-26-2007, 09:57 PM
I think you put the orange wire nut in front off the bleed screw just so you could hide it from view...I would have been all over that....lol

FIMCO-MEISTER
10-27-2007, 06:46 AM
I did notice the 2400 and did notice the other valve was not the same since the solenoid was off-set but missed the classic cracked bonnet or cracked body:hammerhead: ....

Actually the HR-1 was still working okay. The repair was called for the leak of the previous repairman's work on replacing one hr-1 with the 2400. He tried to short pipe in a new valve between the tee and the valve and it blew out. Didn't want to dig a big hole and use a slip fix I guess. I normally when replacing a valve if I come across another old one in the same area will repair or replace it as well. We normally use RB DVs with flow but I had an excess of 205s and decided to whittle down some excess inventory going into winter. Saw your post on Toro and the 205 diaphragm and now I'm a little nervous about them. Haven't had the problem you describe yet.

Wet_Boots
10-27-2007, 09:29 AM
I don't think the 205 diaphragm seat washer is an ongoing issue. Even Richdel had some occasional problems with it. I think a softer rubber must have been chosen to minimize closing shock and/or to assure a tight closure.

londonrain
10-27-2007, 09:50 AM
I don't think the 205 diaphragm seat washer is an ongoing issue. Even Richdel had some occasional problems with it. I think a softer rubber must have been chosen to minimize closing shock and/or to assure a tight closure.
The change was make so that a 205 would close if used in a low flow drip application....
And boots is right this was a few years ago....

Kiril
10-27-2007, 10:37 AM
:dizzy: Can't......see.........blinded......purple everywhere. :dizzy:

hoskm01
10-27-2007, 11:25 AM
It was a brand new can of primer. I'm a sloppy primer person. Tend to dob a lot and slop over everything. I guess I'm thinking BBQ sauce.




I think we will all go in on this for you for X-mas. Small portable parts washer. Cut up all your pieces/fittings for your repair, stick them in here, turn it on, and presto, everything is cleaned and covered in primer. It could save you time and brushstrokes!

http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/dbimage/50328258/Parts_Washer_3_1_2_Gallon.jpg

Wet_Boots
10-27-2007, 11:38 AM
:dizzy: Can't......see.........blinded......purple everywhere. :dizzy:More purple equals more fumes - what's not to like? :dizzy:

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 01:38 PM
Your primer hand seems a bit shaky/loose/ free-willed


On the the poor guy's birthday, leave it to the Viper Jackals to crawl
all over him.:nono:

Dirty Water
10-27-2007, 04:28 PM
No need for redlines, good job.

Not a fan of the primer hehe, but even the great Jon spills primer sometimes.

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67235&d=1162261898
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67236&d=1162261904
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67237&d=1162261912

Any guess to the make and model of the valve I took out.

Kiril
10-27-2007, 04:46 PM
I'm just waiting for you to break out the B/W photos. ;)

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 04:55 PM
I'm just waiting for you to break out the B/W photos. ;)

Anything for you pups to boost the post counts..I don't know, it has a brass
flow control, round body...irritrol model #:dizzy:

Kiril
10-27-2007, 04:57 PM
BTW, my guess is champion body with Richdel conversion (based on what I can see in pic 2)

Dirty Water
10-27-2007, 05:03 PM
The system was installed about 20-30 years ago. Originally those were Champion manual valves, but sometime in the past, automatic soliniod adapters were added to the valves, and that multistrand was ran.

I see Champion still makes the conversion kit, except its plastic now.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/11MH74CJ6VL._SS500_.jpg

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 05:09 PM
automatic soliniod adapters were added to the valves, and that multistrand was ran.]

::nazi lurks:: Was that your ex company that did the Jefferson County
Courthouse? I've taken over winterize/service. I know it was someone from
Sequim.

Dirty Water
10-27-2007, 05:11 PM
::nazi lurks:: Was that your ex company that did the Jefferson County
Courthouse? I've taken over winterize/service. I know it was someone from
Sequim.

Is that the one in Port Townsend?

Probably not, I only did 3 jobs over there.

However, I can tell you who it was based upon valves/wiring type (multistrand?) and timer model.

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 05:20 PM
Is that the one in Port Townsend?
However, I can tell you who it was based upon valves/wiring type (multistrand?) and timer model.

Yass in PT...plans called for Toro ..someone (thank you) talked them into
RB all the way thru..not a bad job, tho grade was miss read & valves are
down there...SAM/PRS..PEB valves w/PRS-D..lottsa Netafim & done well with
flush valves...ESP-MC w/ remote...unions (1?) on all valves..14g.,better than
most I see. Enclosure for clock & splice box from United.

Wet_Boots
10-27-2007, 05:23 PM
Superior 800 adaptor?

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 05:27 PM
Superior 800 adaptor?

East coast three posts behind, as usual.:rolleyes:

Dirty Water
10-27-2007, 05:36 PM
Yass in PT...plans called for Toro ..someone (thank you) talked them into
RB all the way thru..not a bad job, tho grade was miss read & valves are
down there...SAM/PRS..PEB valves w/PRS-D..lottsa Netafim & done well with
flush valves...ESP-MC w/ remote...unions (1?) on all valves..14g.,better than
most I see. Enclosure for clock & splice box from United.

That sounds like Tom Rankin from Ona Landscaping.

Fairly decent irrigation installer, not so great landscaper.

I found that he likes to lock on to long projects and milk them for all their worth. We came in behind him fairly often to fix minor hickups here and then, and would hear the same story every time.

Dirty Water
10-27-2007, 05:38 PM
Superior 800 adaptor?

I think you may be right. Now that I think about it, I believe only the valve body was champion.

Mike Leary
10-27-2007, 05:47 PM
That sounds like Tom Rankin from Ona Landscaping.

Fairly decent irrigation installer, not so great landscaper.

I found that he likes to lock on to long projects and milk them for all their worth. We came in behind him fairly often to fix minor hickups here and then, and would hear the same story every time.

Sounds right..big project..had a good budget obviously..they've got a huge
runoff problem at the lower corner + crap soil that's killing/stunting plants,
but that "turn it over to the amateur's after warranty" is b.s. By the time we
show up, & the grounds people have taken over & call us after the fact: WHOA!
Seems like it was more of a Swedish name, but I'll find out..no as built.