Which 1/2 ton would you choose?

[jbannick18]

I'm looking to get a 1/2 ton within a couple months and was wondering what others opinions are between Chevy, Ford, GMC, Toyota. Thanks

[WALKER LANDSCAPE]

I would choose Ford of Toyota

[GravelyGuy]

Are you talking brand new? Go test drive them all and see what you like the best. I'm glad to see you eliminated Dodge from your choices.

The one on the right is mine. I want both:cry:

[Gravel Rat]

What do you plan on doing with the truck why don't you go for atleast a 3/4 ton then it can actually haul something. If i was buying any truck it would be a Ford I'am a little biased but I drive nothing but Ford light trucks :D

[jbannick18]

Well the f-150 i'm looking at can haul 9000lbs I believe, or that is what I was told. I don't plan on hauling anything heavier than that. Gas and actual cost of the truck is the reason I don't think I'm going to go with a 3/4 ton just yet. Thats a sweet truck Gravely!!!

[grassmanak]

i had a 05 f150 with the 5.4 and it could barely tow 3k

[jbannick18]

Well thats not good to hear 0.o. Anyone else?

[Gravel Rat]

I wouldn't ever beleive the ratings on 1/2 ton trucks if you want to tow something get a 3/4 ton. I actuality a 1/2 ton is a daily driver grocery getter they really are not designed to pull trailers etc.

For the truck to pull 9000lbs its gotta be a bare bones basic truck 2wd I would say 5000lbs is max a 1/2 ton should be pulling.

[GravelyGuy]

The 5.4 in a F250 is kind of sad IMO. It will get the job done, but it feels very weak (to me). I did not think that it was to bad on the newer F150's when I drove them. The 5.4 is not made for speed by any means, Ford for that matter seems to revolve around strength than performance.

What year are you looking to get?

[jbannick18]

I was looking at the 07's, probably a 4.6 l v8 ext cab or possibly move up to the 5.4l not sure yet

[Fordsuvparts]

Buy the F-150, Our company just bought a 2007 Supercrew 4x4 5.4 and we love it. We put 1500 miles on it 5 days. We have 12 other Fords so ss you can tell I am a Blue Oval Guy for life.

[lawnboy dan]

just buy the tundra and be done with it. avoid the big v8

[beano]

I have the chevy silverado with the 4.8 in it and the 410 rear end and i pull a 7x18 enclosed everyday. It weighs about 4600lbs with all my equipment in it and it pulls great. I havent had one problem and the truck is 7 years old. IMO i wouldnt buy anything else. Parts are easy to get a hold of and dealers are everywhere.

[AbsoluteH&L]

What do you plan on doing with the truck why don't you go for atleast a 3/4 ton then it can actually haul something. If i was buying any truck it would be a Ford I'am a little biased but I drive nothing but Ford light trucks :D

i had a 05 f150 with the 5.4 and it could barely tow 3k

If he want a 1/2 ton let him buy one, it's better and bigger than the Ranger he has now. I too am a Ford man, but Toyota has a good truck too. If America's not careful Toyota is going to kick the big 3's butt.
As far as tow ratings, make sure you get a truck that will do what you want, and will be able to a few years down the road too. (plan for the future, bigger trailer and so on) Again on tow ratings, make sure YOUR TRUCK is properly rated for not just what that truck line is capable of. Some CAR lots have guys that will look at the fender and say "See it says it has a V8, this will work great for yah buddy" Don't buy from that guy. Go to a place that sells only, or at least a lot of trucks. Or take a buddy with you that may know more about trucks than you. I only say that because I don't know you, or your mechanical knowledge.
I say go with a Ford, but it's up to you. It's your payment. Test drive them all! Just remember to get something that will work for you till you get the next truck.

[jbannick18]

Ok thanks for the opinions! Yea I had one salesman trying to tell me the base model v6 would haul 10,000 lbs with ease which I knew wasn't right. This dealership was trying so hard to get me to sign last night. I'll probably go with chevy/ford. The tundra is nice just out of my price range.

[TXNSLighting]

Go with the f-150. My best friend bought one, one month after i bought my dodge. and man that f-150 seems to tow my fully loaded 5000 pound landscape trailer better than my dodge...the ford is a hoss when it comes to towing, and the ride is simply fantastic. I was very very impressed with his f-150, and the tow rating on it is 9000 #'s. its an 05 FX4 super cab short bed. Hes also already got dam near 80,000 miles on it to...not one problem, even on the origional tires.

[buttaluv]

I would say chevy(GMC) or Dodge..only because of the new lifetime warranty on power train (not available on diesel). I normally buy used and normally fords, they seem to be more available used around these parts and at a better price. However I recently picked up a 99 GMC 4x4 with the 4.8 in it and it's getting about 18 mpg, which I think is awesome..good luck..drive'm all

[IMAGE]

Some CAR lots have guys that will look at the fender and say "See it says it has a V8, this will work great for yah buddy" Don't buy from that guy. Go to a place that sells only, or at least a lot of trucks.

I am in the same situation looking for a truck, looking at all the brands, and feeling out all the dealerships around. However I know what I want for options- none but a v8 and 4x4- to keep the payment cheap. When I go into a dealership and they start telling me how I need this or that option, just because it is the closest they have on the lot, I ask them to search the dealer network for a match, if they wont I leave.

One dealer went so far as to search the network, and even though I could see the screen clear as day that 2 trucks at a nearby dealer were a perfect match, he told me nothing came up. I left immediately, and he probably wonders why I don't return his calls, he shouldn't of lied to me- good way to lose business. I went to the other dealer, looked at the f150's he has, and will probably sign soon.

By the way, in looking at all the new trucks, the ford is the cheapest to buy in my configuration by about $2500-$3000. I personally am not a ford guy, but it is a business decision to get a truck that fits a need at a certain price, even if not my personal brand preference.:walking:

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

Any one of the choice will be a good truck. The Chevy in my opinion has one of the best powertrains, but it also have the softest suspension and would need helper springs of some sort added if you plan to put alot of weight in the bed.

Toyotas are nice too, but this is a first year truck and I would be wary of that, even with a Toyota.

Nissan Titans are selling pretty cheap and these are pretty tough trucks, might be worth a look.

Basically I think you will be fine with any of the 1/2 tons out there. You need to decided which one you like best based on the features you desire and how it rides and what kind of deal can you get on it.

My last truck was a 2005 Chevy 1500 regular cab " work truck " that I ordered with a few extras such as a cloth seat, cruise control, a/c, chrome bumpers, and a 4.8 liter V-8. I used this truck to tow a 16 foot landscape trailer that weighted around 5000 pounds typically that way it was loaded, and at times I had another 1000 pounds or more of seed or fert in the bed of the truck while I towed the trailer and I had no problems at all. To be honest I never even hooked up the electric brakes on the trailer. The truck had no problems at all in the power, handling, and stopping depts.... It did sag down in the back though when you started throwing weight into the bed of the truck. It needed some helper springs. I got 13.5 mpg pulling the trailer around town on my route, and that is keeping up with the flow of traffic, not taking off slow like a grandma. I paid 16,600$ out the door for that truck. Wish I had never sold it.....

[deere615]

Chevy/GMC but the F-150's aren't too bad either.

[pj550v12]

My vote is for the Chevy. Plenty of pulling power, solid truck, and gas milage isn't nearly as bad as you'll find in the Tundra. And while the Tundra might be a very well built truck, its still so new, I'm still worried about them workin out the bugs.

[ProStreetCamaro]

Let me break it down for you.

1. Ford 4.6 and 5.4 are very weak engines (low on power)

2. Toyota will fall apart when used for work daily (my cousin has one and its on its last legs and all he ever did with it was deliver newspapers)

3. GM trucks have plenty of power and will work hard for you and not fall apart.


There thats an easy choice.

[GravelyGuy]

2. Toyota will fall apart when used for work daily (my cousin has one and its on its last legs and all he ever did with it was deliver newspapers)


:laugh: There's trucks on the Toy website that have almost a 1,000,000 miles on them. The only thing that needs improved on the 07 models is the tailgate. It's a joke.

[ProStreetCamaro]

:laugh: There's trucks on the Toy website that have almost a 1,000,000 miles on them. The only thing that needs improved on the 07 models is the tailgate. It's a joke.



Thats all well and good but I guarantee they werent used for hard work. My cousins has 150K and the truck sags in the rear, warps rotors and eats brakes left and right, the interior is falling apart and he has all kinds of other problems. For personal use I think they are great trucks but just not for hard work.

[TXNSLighting]

you have obviously never driven a 5.4 ford... they have plenty of power.

[ProStreetCamaro]

you have obviously never driven a 5.4 ford... they have plenty of power.



Is that a joke? I have driven both a 4.6 and 5.4. This is in our driveway right now with a 5.4.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/prostreetcamaro/fcac215b.jpg


The 4.6 was in a 97 expedition.

Let me break it down.

2 of the 300 I6 (Best engine ford ever made for work. tons of torque and good towing but both of them lost oil pressure around 60,000 miles)

1 302 in a bronco (weakkkkkkkkkkk junkkkkkkkkkk lost oil pressure at 70K)

1 351 in a bronco (Little more power than the 302 but we didnt have it long enough for reliability isses to pop up. It was a lease. Engine sounded like it was about to throw a rod every time you started it. Most likely just severe piston slap)

1 4.6 in an expedition (WEAK weak weak weak wont get out of its own way weak. Ran fine but very weak. Had very minor front end accident and the frame bent beyond repair and the air bags didnt even deploy)

1 5.4 in our current expedition (Little better than the 4.6 but still a turd with any weight behind it. Truck has major electricl problems from day 1. 4X4 engages out of the blue any time it feels like it, rear view dimmer always stays dim, washer fluid light comes on when it feels like it even if its full etc etc etc)



JUNK is what our fords have been and thats why this expedition will be the last ford my family ever ownes.

[IMAGE]

Hey guys, while truck shopping I just learned about GMC and Chevy having a upfit option to business owners. All you need is your Fed Tax ID # to prove you own a business. It is free toolboxes or ladder racks, or $500 giftcard.

"GM Business Choice offers eligible commercial customers the choice of one of several upfits or other value-added offers with the purchase or lease of each new eligible GM vehicle.
For details, visit www.gmbusinesschoice.com "

[deere615]

Hey guys, while truck shopping I just learned about GMC and Chevy having a upfit option to business owners. All you need is your Fed Tax ID # to prove you own a business. It is free toolboxes or ladder racks, or $500 giftcard.

"GM Business Choice offers eligible commercial customers the choice of one of several upfits or other value-added offers with the purchase or lease of each new eligible GM vehicle.
For details, visit www.gmbusinesschoice.com "

Thats pretty cool but I would rather not buy a brand new Truck.

[Capemay Eagle]

Ford F-150 is the best selling truck in America for thirty years for a reason..The new Toyota along with all the others suck..

[jbannick18]

Thanks for the input. I think I am going to go for the chevy when I get a new truck. But a new z will be my first priority

[shane mapes]

i have a 2003 Nissan frontier 4 door crew cab short bed. it's a v6 and it hauls a 6 by 12 trailer full . the trailer is bigger then the truck . i have had no problems with this set up. i've been driving this sense 03 and i have almost 90,000 miles on it and all i have had to do is change the oil every 4000 miles and just changed my first set of tires ...low maintenance ............hauling this set up i only get 14 miles to the gallon thou ........

[jbannick18]

i have a 2003 Nissan frontier 4 door crew cab short bed. it's a v6 and it hauls a 6 by 12 trailer full . the trailer is bigger then the truck . i have had no problems with this set up. i've been driving this sense 03 and i have almost 90,000 miles on it and all i have had to do is change the oil every 4000 miles and just changed my first set of tires ...low maintenance ............hauling this set up i only get 14 miles to the gallon thou ........

My 02 ranger gets 15 to the gallon not hauling lol, sometimes i can squeak 17 mpg but thats a rare occasion. I'm thinking about putting cold air intake in it

[TXNSLighting]

Is that a joke? I have driven both a 4.6 and 5.4. This is in our driveway right now with a 5.4.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/prostreetcamaro/fcac215b.jpg


The 4.6 was in a 97 expedition.

Let me break it down.

2 of the 300 I6 (Best engine ford ever made for work. tons of torque and good towing but both of them lost oil pressure around 60,000 miles)

1 302 in a bronco (weakkkkkkkkkkk junkkkkkkkkkk lost oil pressure at 70K)

1 351 in a bronco (Little more power than the 302 but we didnt have it long enough for reliability isses to pop up. It was a lease. Engine sounded like it was about to throw a rod every time you started it. Most likely just severe piston slap)

1 4.6 in an expedition (WEAK weak weak weak wont get out of its own way weak. Ran fine but very weak. Had very minor front end accident and the frame bent beyond repair and the air bags didnt even deploy)

1 5.4 in our current expedition (Little better than the 4.6 but still a turd with any weight behind it. Truck has major electricl problems from day 1. 4X4 engages out of the blue any time it feels like it, rear view dimmer always stays dim, washer fluid light comes on when it feels like it even if its full etc etc etc)



JUNK is what our fords have been and thats why this expedition will be the last ford my family ever ownes.

didnt say anything about expeditions. im talking new body style f-150 (04-08) thats the 5.4 thats a hoss. and who would ever think a 4.6 v8 is a fast engine. its not made for speed it was made for fuel economy. come on.

[rsp1961]

Im sorry, but I drive an 04 ram 1500 quadcab, which I purchased used for 9500 cuz Im friends with the dealer, and with its 6cyl engine, it pulls everything I have asked it to, including a full bobcat rig on a tandem axle trailer, plus the mpg avg is 20. So, there are too many variables to say that one is absolutely better than others. And some day Id like to upgrade, but for real guys, to say that one truck is head over heals better than all others, is just ridiculous. Decide your priorities: price range, gas mileage, warranty, size range, and year and/or whatever you think is important, then compare. you have to compare apples to apples...and ...umm..pscamaro..has it really taken you 6 fords to come to your conclusions? If my dodge didnt work well this time, I dont think id go back and try again...JMO

[IA_James]

I loved my '03 Chevy, only reason I sold it is because it was a reg cab, and I was having my 2nd child directly. It was a Z71, reg cab long bed. Great truck.

[deere615]

My 02 ranger gets 15 to the gallon not hauling lol, sometimes i can squeak 17 mpg but thats a rare occasion. I'm thinking about putting cold air intake in it

I have been thinking about a cold air intake too. Do you know if there is any negatives effects of putting one on.

[TXNSLighting]

nah. intakes are great! just keep it clean.

[jbannick18]

I've only heard positives... only negative i know it puts a hole in my wallet :)

[SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES]

the reason fords are the best selling trucks for so long is b/c they don't last and you have to keep buying more of them. j/k. I am partial to the GM's. I have owned an f150 with the old straight 6 in it and it was a good truck, but my 2001 gmc sierra z71 would out pull it anyday and had a much better ride. if all you are doing is pulling 6500lbs or less, get a gm 1500 truck and you will be perfectly happly with its performance, and your girl friend will be perfectly happy with the quality of the ride, and your wallet will be comfortably happy with the resale value when you decide to get something new. Look at autotrader.com and compare the toyota, dodge, ford and chevy/gmc resales values. the gm products cost a little more for a reason. Now, if you look to tow more than 6500lbs, you better opt for a 2500hd. the little guy just won't hold up to all that weight, not to mention, it is really not safe to do any more than that with one of those trucks. No matter what the sticker and the book tells you.

[SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES]

if you don't care about gas mileage and want to be able to pull a house off its foundation, then look into one of the old 95-97 ford f250's with the 7.3 powerstroke diesel in it. I think it has to be one of the strongest motors that was ever built and it is virtually bullet proof. of course the new stuff is nothing like the good ole days.

[deere615]

Thanks for the air intake comments:waving:

[APV's Mowing]

YOO check out the Nissan Titan...take a look at that and tell me what u think, i have a nissan frontier and its pretty bomb. Dont listen to people wen they said that non american trucks aren't nice, most american made cars....arent even made in the US haha

[retrodog]

I picked up a brand new Dodge 1/2 ton for $10999 (had a 23000 sticker) from Norman Dodge in OK City!. I spent $1650 and got custom 22in wheels and tires. Looks really good, and didn't cost an arm an a leg for a second truck! My recommendation strictly on price!

[mverick]

if you don't care about gas mileage and want to be able to pull a house off its foundation, then look into one of the old 95-97 ford f250's with the 7.3 powerstroke diesel in it. I think it has to be one of the strongest motors that was ever built and it is virtually bullet proof. of course the new stuff is nothing like the good ole days.


I like that motor too, but a friends threw a rod. And 6 months later the tranny was lunch. He did have it for 110,000 miles.

My 1500 97gmc with a 350 and airbags pulls a 8000lb bobcat on a dump trailer everyday. It has 160,000 on it. Towing package with 4.10 gears and the airbags. I didn't think it would do it either. But no problems. Motor or auto tranny. Had to put in a radiator and a water pump. But that was after it hit a deer. LOL

I had the i6 300 ford. Great motor but only lasted 60,000. Put in a new one and it lasted the same. Know who owned it.

Wish they still had the 350. Best motor I've seen. And, the Vortec was a sweet package. Know 454's that are great too.

For Diesel. I'd still stick with 7.3 for the older ones. Cummins was great but every other part of the truck sucked. And the 6.5 was a dog for Chevy unless you know how to improve them. But they still ain't a 7.3 in power or a cummins.

[Nelawnguy]

Don't get one of those sparkplug spitting Fords. Ford won't admit that they have a problem and customer service is lousy. Got rid of my Ford 5.4 and got a Chevy well satisfied with it. Type in "Ford spits sparkplug" on google and see how many owners are complaining about this problem.

[TXNSLighting]

Ford knows about it, and theyve been quite helpful with it here... and just think its better than a DODGE!!!

[Capemay Eagle]

Don't get one of those sparkplug spitting Fords. Ford won't admit that they have a problem and customer service is lousy. Got rid of my Ford 5.4 and got a Chevy well satisfied with it. Type in "Ford spits sparkplug" on google and see how many owners are complaining about this problem.
Yeah right dude. Get the facts before you know what your talking about

[Capemay Eagle]

YOO check out the Nissan Titan...take a look at that and tell me what u think, i have a nissan frontier and its pretty bomb. Dont listen to people wen they said that non american trucks aren't nice, most american made cars....arent even made in the US haha

Yeah haha, There are more Ameican cars and trucks made here than those junk imports. There are a couple of models that are assembled in different plants, but for the most part, they are all made here along with all the parts. There are 2.2 million US autoworkers compared to the 10,000 forein autoworkers. So please be more informed, before you speak..

[APV's Mowing]

haha ok...hmm...why do u think chevy puts an inline 5 in their Colorado???? hmm sounds like a german motor to me!!! im not sure about stats. and all, i wasnt saying every american car is made over seas but some are. and im not sayin american made trucks are crap either i love the silverado, not a huge fan of ford...my family as had bad luck witht them. but hey hey all im saying is Nissan makes a solid truck, you should check them out if u havent yet! my nissan frontier is in my opinion the best mid sized pickup out there on the market. i hate when people judge ALL foreign trucks...i agree with who ever says that toyota trucks suck. WWAAYYY OVER PRICED for what u get, it just isnt a work truck! im just putting my trying to help this man get the best truck he can get...and in my opinion the Titan is a great truck!

[TXNSLighting]

i agree i like the titan. its a solid truck. and they look very good. not a big fan of the frontiers. Toyotas are flat out crap. not worth my time. My Duramax would run circles around it.

[F&SLawnCo]

Do not know why everyone is slamming Dodge. Bought a new 2007 1500 longbed with the hemi last year and I absolutely love it. Drives great hauls all of my equipment like it is not even there and I have had 0 issues with the truck. I will say that the Hemi engine is not for the person looking for great fuel economy though.

[Exact Rototilling]

You guys crack me up. :hammerhead:This is turning into a real pi$$ing contest here.
I'm looking at the Chevy/GMC duramax 2500HD for 2009 and beyond - especially if I plow snow next winter. If I don't make plans to plow I may go with the Tundra with the full tow package and big V8. My local Toyota dealer has a serious glut of Tundras on their lot and overflow lot. Easily half the vehicles they have in inventory are Tundras. Wonder if they are going to have a massive blow out sale? Negative interest and cash back or 0% interest and zero down no payments no % until 2020. That would be great. :laugh:

For me I will continue to suffer with my 85 Toyota 4x4 and my 91 4runner until I have more than enough cash flow under my wings to justify jumping into the deep end of payments. So what if my old Toyotas only get 11 mpg towing a 2200 pound trailer. No biggie - no payments - no interest. Even if I burn up my 4 banger 22r in my 85 Toyota - so what if it only makes it to 180,000 instead of 280,000 under hard use. My 91 4runner already has 180,000 miles no major issues yet.
:waving:

[TXNSLighting]

Do not know why everyone is slamming Dodge. Bought a new 2007 1500 longbed with the hemi last year and I absolutely love it. Drives great hauls all of my equipment like it is not even there and I have had 0 issues with the truck. I will say that the Hemi engine is not for the person looking for great fuel economy though.

youll find out before long.

[MileHigh]

I'm looking to get a 1/2 ton within a couple months and was wondering what others opinions are between Chevy, Ford, GMC, Toyota. Thanks

Yes..the toyota looks nice, and is super fast, and has a nice interior, but It's a peice of junk if you wanna do some real work!! Go with GMC, Chevy, Ford, Dodge. The Nissan and the Toyota are years behind these companies with their trucks. (Cars I would say otherwise) Not to metion the buttload of recalls the new tundra has recieved!!

Check out there Bed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0&feature=related
The frame is a strong as a ford festiva!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

[MileHigh]

YOO check out the Nissan Titan...take a look at that and tell me what u think, i have a nissan frontier and its pretty bomb. Dont listen to people wen they said that non american trucks aren't nice, most american made cars....arent even made in the US haha

Cars are for p**sies

[MileHigh]

:laugh: There's trucks on the Toy website that have almost a 1,000,000 miles on them. The only thing that needs improved on the 07 models is the tailgate. It's a joke.

yea..and the frame, and the box, the tranny. etc

[Capemay Eagle]

haha ok...hmm...why do u think chevy puts an inline 5 in their Colorado???? hmm sounds like a german motor to me!!! im not sure about stats. and all, i wasnt saying every american car is made over seas but some are. and im not sayin american made trucks are crap either i love the silverado, not a huge fan of ford...my family as had bad luck witht them. but hey hey all im saying is Nissan makes a solid truck, you should check them out if u havent yet! my nissan frontier is in my opinion the best mid sized pickup out there on the market. i hate when people judge ALL foreign trucks...i agree with who ever says that toyota trucks suck. WWAAYYY OVER PRICED for what u get, it just isnt a work truck! im just putting my trying to help this man get the best truck he can get...and in my opinion the Titan is a great truck!Yeah what ever. I have a little press article here which shows that Toyota still imports most of their cars to the US and in one quote explains that we are loseing 10 Us jobs to every one job Toyota creates. So as far as the Ameican made Toyota and Nissan crap, give it a break, Toyota is ruining this country and it is not to late to put them out of buisness. Thanks, but I will stick to my Ameican made Ford, problems or no problems, I will never stoop to any Toyota truck..

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/21/automobiles/21auto.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[Turf Commando]

Have to Love the who's better truck thread ..!!!
To be honest Ford, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan make good trucks for the most part..
Frames, suspension, engine power, drive-train should be more important then Truck brand ..
As for everyone having something negative to say about a certain brand truck falling apart, depends on how well it's taken care of in the first place .....
Give me a new vehicle come back in 20 years and it will still be operational no matter the make....

[APV's Mowing]

HEY HEY HEY yoooo im talking about NISSAN not toyota man!!! and i never said any toyota's were made in america, im talking about SOME "american" cars are made else where!! i AGREE with you when you say that the Toyota pickup truck is crap, but not all toyota's are crap! Hey im not trying to change your mind im just giveing my input so if u dont like my opinion, then go have fun bein pissed in some other tread, i have total respect for your opinion, be a bigger man and accept my opionion.

[GravelyGuy]

Anyone that says the Tundra is crap is full of crap. It has problems like EVERYTHING, but the pros of this truck outweigh the cons substantially. This trucks kicks A$$ as does the company that backs it.

Oh and being the I live in LAFAYETTE, IN and I can almost see SIA from my window. I'll let you know what the status is on US production.

The stamp on my window and door panel said my truck was built in the USA. I don't know where they got the parts or who built this or that yada yada, but I can read the sticker!

:dizzy: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead: :dizzy:

[Exact Rototilling]

Have to Love the who's better truck thread ..!!!
To be honest Ford, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan make good trucks for the most part..
Frames, suspension, engine power, drive-train should be more important then Truck brand ..
As for everyone having something negative to say about a certain brand truck falling apart, depends on how well it's taken care of in the first place .....
Give me a new vehicle come back in 20 years and it will still be operational no matter the make....Very well stated. :clapping:

I've had my 85 Toyota eXtra cab since it was new. I've had it 22 1/2 years. Very few people I know keep their vehicles anywhere near this length of time. They where the cool trucks to have in their day. The looks [1984-1989] are decent and tasteful to this day IMHO. Can't say that about the other mini trucks of the era except for maybe the ford Ranger and maybe the S10 as a distant 3rd . . . if that. :rolleyes: My Yota needs a little TLC for the 2008 season but it will work fine.:weightlifter:

[MileHigh]

I know the new tundras are american built, I never said they werent. Tundras are crap...if you compare them to other trucks. Compare the things that matter. What matters to me, may not matter to you. I care about a trucks frame, axle weight ratio, tranny, transfer case, and bed...I put all kinds of crap in my bed! Gravely take a close look in between your rear cab and your box/bed. Garaunteed..if you do any real work...there damage their. that aint cool. Your Frame is also a open C-Frame..which is total crap...any good truck has a solid frame. Take a look underneath that thing. Yea..smoke me at the stop light...but see who can ram more snow piles at the end!

[Turf Commando]

I've had my 85 Toyota eXtra cab since it was new. I've had it 22 1/2 years.
Thats cool ...You are among the elite (TLC) guys
Hey does it look like the truck in (Back to the Future Part (1)...?

[GravelyGuy]

I know the new tundras are american built, I never said they werent. Tundras are crap...if you compare them to other trucks. Compare the things that matter. What matters to me, may not matter to you. I care about a trucks frame, axle weight ratio, tranny, transfer case, and bed...I put all kinds of crap in my bed! Gravely take a close look in between your rear cab and your box/bed. Garaunteed..if you do any real work...there damage their. that aint cool. Your Frame is also a open C-Frame..which is total crap...any good truck has a solid frame. Take a look underneath that thing. Yea..smoke me at the stop light...but see who can ram more snow piles at the end!

When I have problems with any of these things I'll be sure to post. I'm not a meat head that's brand loyal. If this truck turns out to be a POS (I really doubt) then I'll sell it and get something else.

This truck is a half ton and will dominate other half ton trucks. There is no way you could go and tow with this truck and then come back and say it is crap. There's no way!!!

What are you driving 3/4 ton that doesn't have an open c-frame?

[Exact Rototilling]

Thats cool ...You are among the elite (TLC) guys
Hey does it look like the truck in (Back to the Future Part (1)...?That's funny - I had to think about that one . . . then I had a flash back of what's his name Fox something driving a SR5 eXtra Cab I think it was red? :laugh:

You can see part of my old 85 on this picture thread in the background - 3rd picture down. http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=210572

It needs to be rubbed out, canopy repainted and seats reupholstered. I has few rust issues but that will be covered up and or dealt with before Spring Clean-ups. Lots of life left in it as far as I'm concerned. Underpowered with horrible mpg pulling a trailer? . . . YES! :cry:

It's not an SR5 :( just the base model with tilt wheel, slider window, cargo light, vinyl floor no carpet. Toyota custom driver side floor mat is worn all the way through to the metal floor. Clients won't see that. :rolleyes:


But hey . . . it does have a full box frame except in the very back of the frame where the hitch frame attaches. Same for my 4runner if my memory is correct.

:cool2: Back to 1985

[Nelawnguy]

Ford knows about it, and they've been quite helpful with it here... and just think its better than a DODGE!!!
You are totally right Ford does know about it, but they won't admit to the poorly designed engine head. Ask a Ford dealer what they have done to fix it and they don't even know. Check out the consumer web site when you type in Ford spits spark plug see how many people are upset with Ford. Maybe that's why Ford became no. 3.

[Turf Commando]

That's funny - I had to think about that one . . . then I had a flash back of what's his name Fox something driving a SR5 eXtra Cab I think it was red? :laugh:


You're close his name is Michael J Fox...
The truck was black no red, but who cares it was a awesome looking truck...
I bought a 91 Ranger V6 from a 71 year old guy.
I think the only thing he did to it since 91 is change oil :laugh: I'm giving it an OVERHAUL :cry:''OMG'' no joke the spark plugs were the originals had to have them professionally removed wanna trade trucks..? LMAO

[MileHigh]

When I have problems with any of these things I'll be sure to post. I'm not a meat head that's brand loyal. If this truck turns out to be a POS (I really doubt) then I'll sell it and get something else.

This truck is a half ton and will dominate other half ton trucks. There is no way you could go and tow with this truck and then come back and say it is crap. There's no way!!!

What are you driving 3/4 ton that doesn't have an open c-frame?

No 3/4 here untill this late summer to add to my plow trucks. And My f-150, and every other gm, ford, dodge truck iv'e seen has been a solid frame. I recently rented a 2007 Tundra 5.7 i-force for 5 days, and I admit I friggin fell in love with it, and I would love all of the stares I would get from other truck drivers. It could definetely get up and go, and has excellent torque, and I'm sure would smoke any other 1/2 ton...But that's not what makes a truck a money maker. And after doing research about the truck I felt down about it. Their reliability has not been proven yet and has only gotten worse over the years trying to compete with GM. In 2005 Toyota recalled over 2.2 million vehicles.

"Some owners of V-8 Tundras have reported camshaft failures in their trucks. Toyota told the Detroit News that it had logged 20 such complaints. The problem could affect as many as 30,000 Tundras built at assembly plants in Indiana and Texas."

"Toyota had planned to sell 200,000 Tundras in the truck's first year as a part of an aggressive expansion plan in the United States. The company has opened a new San Antonio plant to assemble the truck; has expanded an Alabama engine plant to supply to factory; and has also started construction on plants in Ontario and Mississippi as it tries to match demand for its vehicles."

"The Texas plant had suffered cost overruns before it opened late last year. The News also reports the Tundra had failed to match Ford's F-150 and Dodge's Ram in frontal crash test scores."

From thecarconnection.com

Hey man..keep working in it...that's what I'd do..for a little while longer. I know If you were to ever put a snow plow on that thing, It would suffer!!

[integrityman]

My vote goes to the Chevy. I have owned Dodge, Ford and Chevy trucks. Of the three I think the chevy has been the most reliable and trouble free of all. It also has a slightly better fuel economy rating than the others. I also like the Auto 4wd feature that kicks in 4wd when the computer detects the drive wheels slipping. My brother owns the Nissan Titan and I (secretly) like it very much too. Lots of torque, well appointed with interesting usefull bed lockdown features. I am a really small business guy and purchased my truck used. No problems whatsoever.

[topsites]

I would say it depends how much money you have saved, what can you afford?

[Capemay Eagle]

Anyone that says the Tundra is crap is full of crap. It has problems like EVERYTHING, but the pros of this truck outweigh the cons substantially. This trucks kicks A$$ as does the company that backs it.

Oh and being the I live in LAFAYETTE, IN and I can almost see SIA from my window. I'll let you know what the status is on US production.

The stamp on my window and door panel said my truck was built in the USA. I don't know where they got the parts or who built this or that yada yada, but I can read the sticker!

:dizzy: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead: :dizzy:

The Tundra is crap.

Toyota is crap...

[aird208]

BLAH BLAH BLAH, ALL TRUCKS SUCK!!! I USE AN EL CAMINO to tow my trailer around with... JK
I've tested them all out, and im going with a Titan this spring. The Power and ride was unmatched IMO.
As with anything there are many choices just find what you like and enjoy it.

[Capemay Eagle]

BLAH BLAH BLAH, ALL TRUCKS SUCK!!! I USE AN EL CAMINO to tow my trailer around with... JK
I've tested them all out, and im going with a Titan this spring. The Power and ride was unmatched IMO.
As with anything there are many choices just find what you like and enjoy it.
Well you better get one quick, Nissan is talking about ending production of the titan. Yessss!!!One down two to go. The sad part is they mention something about working with Dodge, I hope not..


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/16/ghosn-hints-at-killing-nissan-titan/

[lawn king]

General motors (chevy)

[TXNSLighting]

nothing said about GM.

[TXNSLighting]

Well you better get one quick, Nissan is talking about ending production of the titan. Yessss!!!One down two to go. The sad part is they mention something about working with Dodge, I hope not..


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/16/ghosn-hints-at-killing-nissan-titan/

two to go? are you reffering to honda? seeing as tho they dont have a truck....ha!

[Capemay Eagle]

two to go? are you reffering to honda? seeing as tho they dont have a truck....ha!

the Turda and the Honda Ridgeline. The Honda is not a truck, but it does steal sales and is opening the market for yet another Truck.

[TXNSLighting]

see i dont call that a truck...i call that a slightly taller car...ha!

[deere615]

see i dont call that a truck...i call that a slightly taller car...ha!

:laugh: It is a very funny looking vehicle!

[lyube]

I picked up a brand new Dodge 1/2 ton for $10999 (had a 23000 sticker) from Norman Dodge in OK City!. I spent $1650 and got custom 22in wheels and tires. Looks really good, and didn't cost an arm an a leg for a second truck! My recommendation strictly on price!

Hey Retro,

What kind of truck? Base, v6, 5spd, reg cab,bare bones no ac kind of truck?

You must have connections to get that kind of deal. I could afford a new truck if they're selling them for that much!

[DieselOnly]

My 1/2 ton is a '94 Chevy Diesel. Tons better than my grandfather's identical '96 with the 305 gasser. The 6.5 is a good engine, great if you know it.

[iamthelawnman]

you should go and look at mullinax ford in apoka you will find great deals and you should go for what you need. i have both a f 150 with the 5.4 and a f250 with the same eng. so they tow the same but what are you going to haul is the ? i pull a 7*14 ft. trailer and it pulls 2 walker mowers. and both trucks pull it find.:hammerhead::drinkup:

[Lovingreen]

I AM JUST FED UP WITH ALL OF THE PICKUP MANUFACTURERS! They are so focused on building trucks for people who never use them, They have forgotten about their true customers. Their focus has shifted from powertrain to cupholders and I am sick of it!

Why cant the big three get it! We want a solid work truck that is cheap to run and reliable under stressful conditions. We don't care about plastic crap that is going to break off in a week. We dont care about all the s*** that their putting into these things. The people that used to care about this crap are loosing their houses because they have to pay the gas bill to keep these heaps running. They are now selling those trucks in record numbers and the manufacturers are going to be history if they don't GET A CLUE!

Build a quality truck consistantly that can operate considerably cheaper than the competition and will last longer than 5 years working hard and they will sell millions!

Just my 2 cents

[KTM]

I went to price and consider buying a new chevy last week found out you can not get any fullsize chevy or GMC with a standard tranny anymore, that is B.S. I to am sick of people that buy trucks to drive them as cars it just drives the prices up, trucks are more like cars anymore and not being able to get a manual tranny really topps it off.

[GravelyGuy]

With newer vehicles the it doesn't seem likes it's worth going manual anymore. Maybe for a dedicated tow vehicle only.

[lawnboy dan]

who wants a manual trans anyway?

[KTM]

I have always preferred a manual trans to an auto unless it is a pleasure vehicle. I always keep trucks for a long time and like to do as much repair work as I can do myself, I can not rebuild A automatic but, I can rebuild a gearbox and put a clutch in myself. I just hate paying for repairs, plus I always seam to get better mpg with a manual. I just think it is B.S. that we don't get a choice.

[Exact Rototilling]

So what serious work trucks still have a manual available?

Hey the Toyota Tacoma still has one. :hammerhead: :laugh:

[TPLawnPro]

I had a 2005 Ford F-250 4x (6.0 Ppwerstroke Diesel), not ever one problem with it. Then on Nov. 6th, 2007, it was stolen out of my driveway, and was never recovered.

So then, I had to get myself another truck for work. I looked at all the contenders except for Nissan. I researched and test drove GMC, Chev., Ford, Dodge and Toyota. I'm all about buying American anything whenever it's possible.

I liked the GMC's Duramax engine and Allison tranny. IMO, Dodge has some work to do. I liked the Tundras, but with all of the recall stuff going on with them, I think they're going to need some time to work out the issues before they can ever play long-term hardball with the big boys.

Hands down for me, again, Ford's trucks were, "Ballz To The Wallz" - the best built trucks in my opinion. So, I went with another Ford F-250 4x Lariat CC w/ the new Powerstroke diesel engine. So far, not one problem, except the fuel mileage of course. Nevertheless, I can certainly appreciate the hp/torque increase from the new Powerstroke diesel engine.

[MOWALLTHETIME]

I would look at the chevy or gmc 2500 with the Vortec max 6.0 I am not certain but it around 365-380 and it gets better than average consumption for a 6.0 liter. I have a regular 6.0 in my 2005 and it pulls great and gets about the same mileage as my brothers 5.3 got. I have bought three of them. I still have two of them, one got hit by a drunk driver in the a@@ and got totaled. but it saved my life. I was going 65 the police est the other was going 108 mph. Flipped over twice and landed on the lid. I put it in 4wd and drove it up the embankment and onto the tow truck. As far as the gas engines are concerned in a 3/4 ton I feel Chevy or GMC has the best gas engine. 1/2 tons in my opionon are for driving not towing.

[Nelawnguy]

Google search Ford spits sparkplug before you make a decision.

[smcunningham]

Theres a reason why ford has been the best selling truck for 30 years and theres more ford trucks with 200,000 miles on them than dodge and chevy together....:cool2:

[lawnboy dan]

the tundra is about to chang e that!

[Rhett]

1/2 ton truck? Own two chevy 1500s. Have used ford and dodge in the past. Compared to the Tundra they are all lacking. My 97 chevy is rated to pull 6500 pounds. Tundra 10600 pounds. Only thing I could find on the tundra that I disliked was the seat.

[TXNSLighting]

1/2 ton truck? Own two chevy 1500s. Have used ford and dodge in the past. Compared to the Tundra they are all lacking. My 97 chevy is rated to pull 6500 pounds. Tundra 10600 pounds. Only thing I could find on the tundra that I disliked was the seat.

key word 97 chevy. an 08 chevy will pull 10000+ plus pounds. tundras are over rated

[GSPHUNTER]

[QUOTE=smcunningham;2169107]Theres a reason why ford has been the best selling truck for 30 years[QUOTE]

Yeah, because Chevy and GMC 1500's, 2500's, 3500's are the same truck, but are recorded under different sides of GM.

[South Florida Lawns]

See what you did by posting this question on lawnsite. You get a million different opinions and answers. I suggest test driving what you like and go from there. They all suck so places and are good in others.

[lyube]

1. Tundra
2. F150
3. GMC 1500

[retrodog]

I say get the cheapest one cause they are all pretty much the same. Bonham Dodge is advertising the 4 door 1500 basic package for $14999 right now, that would be a solid choice for most.

[TXNSLighting]

See what you did by posting this question on lawnsite. You get a million different opinions and answers. I suggest test driving what you like and go from there. They all suck so places and are good in others.

Why are you bringing up an old thread...

[TXNSLighting]

I say get the cheapest one cause they are all pretty much the same. Bonham Dodge is advertising the 4 door 1500 basic package for $14999 right now, that would be a solid choice for most.

This thread is old!!!

[TXNSLighting]

1. Tundra
2. F150
3. GMC 1500

Well thats terribly wrong...
1. F-150
2. GM-1500
3. Ram-1500
4. Titan
5. Anything but TOYota
Yay!!

[SuperDuty335]

if you don't care about gas mileage and want to be able to pull a house off its foundation, then look into one of the old 95-97 ford f250's with the 7.3 powerstroke diesel in it. I think it has to be one of the strongest motors that was ever built and it is virtually bullet proof. of course the new stuff is nothing like the good ole days.

These trucks are going pretty cheap as well. I saw a beautiful 2000 F450 4door 7.3 with a service body sell for $10,000. Add a tuner from DPTuner and you'll get upwards of 18+ mpg. Half-ton trucks, vans, etc just can't handle the work load that gets handed to them in a lot of cases; mine in particular. Once you go 3/4 ton or bigger you won't go back.

[South Florida Lawns]

Why are you bringing up an old thread...

Didn't really realize it because I was reading the kids profile and threads. This one was towards the top and I hadn't seen the date it was originally written. I see he has a truck so i guess my post was pointless then.

[Capemay Eagle]

Well thats terribly wrong...
1. F-150
2. GM-1500
3. Ram-1500
4. Titan
5. Anything but TOYota
Yay!!
I will agree with this. But in 09 the Ram is going to be the truck of the year, followed by the F 150 which out tows them all at 11,500..

[TXNSLighting]

I will agree with this. But in 09 the Ram is going to be the truck of the year, followed by the F 150 which out tows them all at 11,500..

I do like that 09 ram! That thing is sharp! Very cool features on the inside. It will be #2 when it comes out most likely. But as of today. thats the list.

[TXNSLighting]

Didn't really realize it because I was reading the kids profile and threads. This one was towards the top and I hadn't seen the date it was originally written. I see he has a truck so i guess my post was pointless then.

Ha! Bad times. O well.

[DA Quality Lawn & YS]

Bump

Guys, do you think the Dodge Dakota is a good smaller truck option that can pull a light trailer and do general estimate/bid work? I don't really want a full size truck, so pls don't interject that.

[retrodog]

Bump

Guys, do you think the Dodge Dakota is a good smaller truck option that can pull a light trailer and do general estimate/bid work? I don't really want a full size truck, so pls don't interject that.

Hey man, we have a colorado we do some running in putting in glass and stuff, and even a 5x8 trailer on it feels like it is tearing it up. I wouldn't recommend the smaller truck category for pulling anything, I recommend the full size ram stripped, they are selling them for $14000 to $15000 around here new.

[DA Quality Lawn & YS]

Hey man, we have a colorado we do some running in putting in glass and stuff, and even a 5x8 trailer on it feels like it is tearing it up. I wouldn't recommend the smaller truck category for pulling anything, I recommend the full size ram stripped, they are selling them for $14000 to $15000 around here new.

I was concerned about the Colorado with that wimpy 5 cyl.
Was thinking more the Dakota with the light 8.

But to interject...I use my Ford Escape with V6 to pull a 5x8 loaded with a 1/2 ton Z. Don't go far, but maybe 40 miles a day. Pulls it just fine, I just turn off the OD when pulling against the wind uphill. Are you telling me that the Colorado type is that much wussier than an Escape??

[grass catcher]

I have a f250 7.3 2002 the last year of 7.3 s I have 83000 miles on it
no prob pull on some occasion my 7 x12 dump trailer w/4 scoops of fill dirt
it will lift 7200 lbs but iwill not dump 4 scoops my buddy escavator has a 1yd bucket320 jd truck pulls it fine guessing 12k loaded + the truck wieght
I have a f150 v6 5spd get 13 pulling the mowers the 7.3 will get 12
the 150 was waste of money