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justinL110
11-03-2007, 05:01 PM
Recently I had a customer ask me to install a lighting system that would appeal to her house and completley light up her brick on the house. She also wanted it in the front flowerbed. I need some help on the design of the lights that shine on the brick. I also need product advise and where to buy. Thanks guys.

pete scalia
11-03-2007, 05:39 PM
My advise is this. Find a specialist in your area and subcontract him to do this job for you this time. You can still make some money but more importantly the customer is happy and not mad at you because you have never done this before and will be experimenting on their property. If you are truly interested in doing lighting in the future then buy some lights and experiment on a safe house like your own or a family member. Then and only then after you have some feel for this should you contract a job with anyone. You may not like my answer but this is the best for everyone concerned. Good luck.

justinL110
11-04-2007, 03:51 PM
I am not worried about the customer becoming angry with me about experimenting on their property. I know them very well and they are aware that this is the first time I have dealt with this type of lighting. If I never do one myself how am I suppose to learn. My question is where do I go about finding a place to buy the materials and some advise on install.

YardPro
11-04-2007, 04:56 PM
contact a distributer like john deere landscapes and ask when they are putting on classes for lighting..

Pro-Scapes
11-04-2007, 06:36 PM
I gotta agree with calling in a sub for this job. Learn from the job... watch.. ask to be part of the experience and learn. Dont ask questions to the annoying point but I for one would not shy away from educating someone who wants to learn to do it right.

Without a good amount of training, Reasearch and hands on experience It would be an injustice to you and your client. If you take the time to learn it from a seasoned lighting installer the client will be more likley to reffer you for other work and you can either continue to get a piece of it from the sub or take what you have learned and move forward with it.

On another note you may actually make more on the job subbing it out that you could doing it yourself. Dont discredit subcontracting. It can be just as profitable because the specialist can obtain a higher price.... they can provide superior design and knowledge and you wont be creating a liability by performing something that is not safe.

irrig8r
11-04-2007, 07:38 PM
Well said Billy. And Pete.

David Gretzmier
11-05-2007, 12:13 AM
learning from a pro is always quicker than discovering on your own. you know the job is done right, and they will point out, fix your mistakes. without a pro, you are relying on yourself to fix yourself. I would not tear into a customers engine just to learn how to be a mechanic, even if I had a book and the customer said go for it.

Pro-Scapes
11-05-2007, 08:57 AM
Another point to consider... are you INSURED for lighting ? Chances are prolly not. I would suggest carrying min 1 million... we carry 2 million just to be safe and to protect us.

niteliters
11-05-2007, 09:35 PM
I am not worried about the customer becoming angry with me about experimenting on their property. I know them very well and they are aware that this is the first time I have dealt with this type of lighting. If I never do one myself how am I suppose to learn. My question is where do I go about finding a place to buy the materials and some advise on install.

who you choose to learn from will set you on a path. not always the correct path. I am 4 hours away and would be willing to talk with you. pm me with your contact info if you would like.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
11-05-2007, 10:38 PM
Another point to consider... are you INSURED for lighting ? Chances are prolly not. I would suggest carrying min 1 million... we carry 2 million just to be safe and to protect us.

I am also insured with an industry specific policy. We just recently upped our coverage from 2 milllion to 5 million after a long disagreement with our underwriter.

Most of the homes and properties we work on are worth 2 million+. I wasn't very happy carrying minimal insurance, and the underwriters were a little confused as to just what type of properties we were working on.

After watching a couple of friends suffer a catastrophic business loss due to improper insurance, I would encourage all of you to closely examine your coverage and also to have an indepth consultation with your broker/underwriter. This will ensure that the insurance company clearly understands your business and that you are properly covered. Settling for a general business liability policy could leave you unknowingly exposed.

cgland
11-05-2007, 10:47 PM
James - That's the best advice i've heard on here in a long time!

Chris

Pro-Scapes
11-06-2007, 09:30 AM
I am also insured with an industry specific policy. We just recently upped our coverage from 2 milllion to 5 million after a long disagreement with our underwriter.

Most of the homes and properties we work on are worth 2 million+. I wasn't very happy carrying minimal insurance, and the underwriters were a little confused as to just what type of properties we were working on.

After watching a couple of friends suffer a catastrophic business loss due to improper insurance, I would encourage all of you to closely examine your coverage and also to have an indepth consultation with your broker/underwriter. This will ensure that the insurance company clearly understands your business and that you are properly covered. Settling for a general business liability policy could leave you unknowingly exposed.

Our policy clearly states low voltage lighting, irrigation,,,landscape gardening as well as the general liability. I rememeber we had a big discussion about this with our carrier when we ventured into lighting.