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bobcat_ron
11-04-2007, 12:18 PM
So I got a call to help move sand from a 300 x 100 foot pig barn manure pit that my brother's business had dug. The builder needed 32" wide x 8" deep footings dug every 10 feet on center with perimeter and center trenches. The problems they had were getting a machine with a 32" bucket and moving that material out of the excavation hole. That's where I came in, my T190 and hopper bucket worked great here, I spent 3 days here going in and out and moving the machine between sites.

The sheer size between the 301.8 (left) and 320 (right) buckets:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures050.jpg

7:30 AM, warming up:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures045.jpg

The view from my cab:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures037.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures038.jpg

This was done in 1 day:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures039.jpg

1 hour of time yielded this much in sand, the pile behind the 320CL was from the previous day:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures042.jpg

Coffee time and an overall view of the next days work:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures052.jpg

That little outhouse with a backhoe attachment was driving the operator nuts, so he used the 320 to do the outer perimeter trenches, and I wanted to see how well it worked with my hopper bucket:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures048.jpg

This is all I saw:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures049.jpg

End of the day, 1 more day yet:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures051.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures043.jpg

And without this de-watering pump, we would all be in 1 foot of water:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures041.jpg

bobcat_ron
11-05-2007, 09:36 PM
I've been playing in the manure today, got some more pics coming PDQ.

Dirty Water
11-05-2007, 09:39 PM
Cool pics. Thats the first I've seen of a hopper bucket. How many yards does it hold.

YellowDogSVC
11-05-2007, 10:16 PM
okay, now you are just playing in a sandbox! NO fair. We have all rock around here.

bobcat_ron
11-06-2007, 09:41 AM
That hopper bucket holds 4.25 cubic yards heaped, basically, it takes 4 Bobcat 68" C/I buckets to heap it and 1 extra to really crown it.

grshppr
11-06-2007, 11:06 AM
Ahh, now that I see your from BC I know why those mountains look so familiar. Is that Sumas Mountain in the background?

bobcat_ron
11-06-2007, 11:43 AM
Yup, Vedder Mountain in that last pic, Sumas Mountain in the first few pics, I was right on the Sumas/Yarrow border just off Highway #1 at the No.3 road exit.

Dirty Water
11-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Yup, Vedder Mountain in that last pic, Sumas Mountain in the first few pics, I was right on the Sumas/Yarrow border just off Highway #1 at the No.3 road exit.

Funny, according to Gravel Rat there is no work in BC.

Also, he claims that its solid rock :rolleyes:

Gravel Rat
11-06-2007, 02:16 PM
For one thats the Fraser Valley its farm country you won't find much West Coast Rock there. As for the work its really spotty all over B.C. . If you pound nails and build houses in the Lower Mainland area your busy but if your in the forest industry or live in towns that survive off of the forest industry the work has dropped off.

Right now the Vancouver area market hasn't slowed down because of the Olympic hype. There is too many stupid people out there buying houses at 500,000 to millions. Where they are getting the money who knows. Do you want to live in Vancouver for work I sure don't. Fight horrible traffic everyday its grid lock from 4 am to 4am the next morning. Watching the news thismorning about the gang violence.

Back on topic I never seen a hopper bucket for a skid steer before that would work good for places you can't get a truck into.

Looking at the pictures you must have been able to hear some humming from those high voltage transmission wires.

Another good thing is the weather has been good for the last couple days or you guys would be really swimming in mud :laugh:

Do you own Triple B or are you a employee I was looking at the site and the company does mostly farm work in the Valley doing multiple jobs.

bobcat_ron
11-06-2007, 09:41 PM
As for the power lines, nadda, but I did develop a strange tumor on my neck, but I'm sure it's nothing, the doctor told me if it starts to sprout eyes, call him, but whatever.

As for the business, my big brother owns it, I work as an employee/person who gets bent over on the weekends as well as I own and operate my little Bobcat enterprise on the side working through him when ever he needs it.

He got his start in '99, our Dad put him on his own and I got my start in '03, we both worked faithfully for the old man since he started in '86 and he made sure he gave us a good foot hold in the business when we started up the business, and we're both sure we'll be digging his grave when the time comes, regardless of whether the old coot dies or not, there'll be a hole diggin' party one way or another!

Currently Triple B Excavating has 4 full time employees including myself, There is a full time truck driver who makes the rounds, if he takes a vacation then either myself or someone else fills in. With 4 excavators, a bulldozer, mini and compact excavators and a gravel truck, there sometimes needs to be at least 2 extra people we need, but customers are always willing to wait if no one is available.

ksss
11-06-2007, 09:46 PM
Looks like GR has found himself a potential employer.:cool2: :drinkup: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

SiteSolutions
11-06-2007, 09:52 PM
I didn't know there was a market for nay-saying prophets of doom. He'd be my first pick if i needed one of those though!:)

bobcat_ron
11-06-2007, 09:53 PM
Looks like GR has found himself a potential employer.:cool2: :drinkup: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Send a resume!!

bobcat_ron
11-10-2007, 04:44 PM
Here's the latest round of action I did:

Spent the day working on dairy farm, most farmers here use sand in the comfort stalls instead of bedding sawdust, cheaper and more sterile, but unfortunately it settles to the bottom of their lagoons and pits and needs to be cleaned out at least once a year or they loose precious gallons of storage over the winter.

This manure pit measures 100' x 100' x 10' deep:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures070.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures071.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures072.jpg

Before the clean up I lowered a fairly new Bobcat S205 SSL into the bottom and he pushed it to me and I bailed it out and let the sh*t hit the fan, where ever it wanted to go, I just let it slide.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures075.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures074.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures076.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures077.jpg

That was a 2 day job and I couldn't be happier to leave.

bobcat_ron
11-10-2007, 05:08 PM
Here's round 2:

A local berry producer and cold storage family needs to expand the cold storage facilities, but due to the unsupportive nature of the soil, it has to be pre-loaded to aid in compaction.
The site is 180' x 180' square, with the footprint of the building 10' less all around, topsoil was dug out over a period of 2 weeks, and gravel was hauled in to footing depth, roughly 54".
After the grade was set, the pre-loading markers were placed in and the height will be a total of 19', yes, NINETEEN FEET!!! This amount of gravel will push the soil down to get enough compaction to support the buildings.
The day I took the pics it was a little dark and raining, but you get the idea.

Here is the North corner, the first marker was put on top of the clay soil and is being backfilled by the 320CLU:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures102.jpg

North corner looking West, that ditch was filled with perforated 8" pipe and covered with the gravel, edge of the gravel is the outside of the pre-load:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures103.jpg

North corner looking South at the new drive way, culvert, water main and fire hydrant that we put in, this whole ditch will be filled with pipe and covered with gravel:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures106.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures095.jpg
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http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures093.jpg

One of many truck and transfer loads coming in:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures096.jpg
One down and dumped, another 1200 to go!!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures100.jpg

563 CAT compactor next to the pre-load marker on the South West corner, top of that pole is the finished height of gravel.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures097.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures064.jpg

Nice sunny Saturday morning so I decided to head back for an hour's worth of seat time and snapped some overall shots:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures066.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures067.jpg

The D-4H mopping up some rough spots after the ditch and pipe were filled in:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures065.jpg
Future operators, in 18 years, I'm gonna be looking for a new job:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures068.jpg

SiteSolutions
11-10-2007, 09:00 PM
What's all that weird lookin shiny, reflective stuff in the low spots? We used to get that around here a long time ago but I can't recall what we useta call it?

bobcat_ron
11-10-2007, 09:19 PM
I think it's called R-A-I-N, don't ask me how it happens, but every time I get liquored up and dance real funny, it happens.

bobcat_ron
12-06-2007, 11:36 AM
***11-13-2007***

This is from last month, ditch cleaning along side Abby-Mission highway ramp to the Mission bridge, the ditch was weed whacked and I got the honorable job of being the "ditch b*tch":

Looking south East along approach ramp:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures117.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures115.jpg



***11-15-07***


Gravel parking area for a family member's dairy farm:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures111.jpg
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MJS
12-06-2007, 11:43 AM
Wow, that's quite a job. Everytime I have used heavy equipment, I have trouble making it do just what I want. ;)

Scag48
12-06-2007, 12:59 PM
What? No thumb on that 320? Isn't that considered a mortal sin in the PNW?

bobcat_ron
12-06-2007, 03:32 PM
What? No thumb on that 320? Isn't that considered a mortal sin in the PNW?

We needed an excavator for general excavation and to run the Hoe-Pac, that way we can get into narrower trenches with out the added width that the thumb adds to the main bucket pin.
I've been fighting my brother for as long as we've had it to get the hydraulic wedge quick coupler on it, the 10 foot ditch cleaning bucket is a real PITA to hold onto with out a thumb, and the Hydraulic Q/A is much safer and faster.

But then big bro keeps calling me fat and lazy, and I keep calling him skinny and cheap and the battle goes on for a few days and then we find something even more ******ed to argue over.

But we choose our work locations wisely, make sure if we need a thumb that the other 2 machines are available, but I still like the 320CLU pictured, it's faster (with out the weight of the thumb) and it's cheaper on fuel and runs super cool in the Summer.

Dirt Digger2
12-06-2007, 06:18 PM
why don't they just use micro-piles to stabilize the soil? also as far as drainage goes under the stone do you have any? The more consolidation the soil undergoes underneath of the stone the more water is forced out, and it has to go somewhere...with that modified stone you are putting in and the fact you are probably compacting it between 95-97% it isn't going to want to flow up...i guess maybe the drainage trenches around the site are taking all the water?

Dirt Digger2
12-06-2007, 06:20 PM
ok never mind...i didn't look very closely at the second picture down where you have the 8" perf. pipe in place

and i hate thumbs on trackhoes...too much extra weight if you are hogging dirt out

bobcat_ron
12-06-2007, 07:30 PM
Micro piles?......modified stone?........drainage?........huh? http://www.p1x44r.com/smiles/hmm.gif

As far as the preload goes, the water isn't an issue, the water gets squeezed out of the soil underneath and it'll most likely just sit there until the footings are dug at which time we can put in a sump drainage system.
At last count there is 34,256 tons of gravel that was hauled in and the preload was officially finished November 30. Two or three months from now we'll come back with 2 excavators and a D-6 and move all but the last 4 feet right beside it for the parking lot, then dig out the black soil for the next preload on the South East side.
All the soil gets hauled to another farm they own to raise the land out of flood plain.

Scag48
12-06-2007, 07:57 PM
I hear you on the thumb adding width, we could drag a 24" bucket at the narrowest with our 312. Being able to run an 18" would have been nice, but whatever. That is one disadvantage to having a thumb, but the advantages far exceed the disadvantages that's for sure. A hydraulic wedge lock Q/C is definately the nuts, I loved it. Some guys say it makes you lazy, but who cares, being able to change buckets in less than 30 seconds from the cab is awesome. I would always have the right bucket for the task, I would sometimes change back and forth between our 36" GP and the 48" cleanup we had 10 times a day.

bobcat_ron
12-06-2007, 08:03 PM
I nearly got my wish when I convinced my bro to buy that beautiful rubber tired excavator earlier this Spring, but the deal fell through. http://www.p1x44r.com/smiles/bang.gif

Dirt Digger2
12-06-2007, 10:07 PM
micropiles are basically drilling down to solid bedrock and filling the drill holes with mortar...then you build your building on top of the micro piles...it allows very heavy buildings to be built on sh*tty soil...it is done a lot with stadiums and warehouses where all the weight is concentrated on the exterior walls

Dirt Digger2
12-06-2007, 10:09 PM
we have hydraulic "quick-tach"..i call it...on our backhoes and trackhoe and it is so nice when you need to change buckets, forget about being lazy...its called efficiency haha

bobcat_ron
12-07-2007, 12:11 AM
Micro piles, now I get it, it can be done here, one of the big box stores was built that way as well as the Trade and Convention Center in Crack city (Vancouver), except they used 3/4" clear crush gravel dumped in as the caissons were pulled out of the hole, but that's only needed for really large buildings that need a perfectly flat floor, this pre load we did the building is only 170 x 170 feet with multiple cross footings and walls.

Dirt Digger2
12-07-2007, 01:57 AM
but to me..and i must be wrong...drilling and filling pile holes is far cheaper then 17 feet of stone


great for you guys though...the more work the better now a days

bobcat_ron
12-07-2007, 10:06 AM
Nope, in our region, you need to go down 1.89 miles to reach solid bedrock, we are in a massive valley, made up of all silt deposits and under neath that is all wet loose sand from the last ice age.

Look for the Fraser Valley on Google Earth, you'll see what I mean, in the suburbs and city regions, there is gravel underneath the top and sub soils from the glacier's retreat, beautiful round rock deposits up to a mile deep, the further you dig down, the larger the rock, it's quite impressive to see some excavators digging in the pits that are 300 feet down pull out the odd 10 foot nugget o' history.

bobcat_ron
12-07-2007, 11:05 PM
So I went to the pre load site today and snapped off some pics.

Looking North from the existing parking lot:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures243.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures244.jpg

This is where the pre load will be moved to in a few months, another parking lot:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures245.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures247.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures246.jpg

The field to the right is where the next parking lot will be, all the topsoil will be excavated out to the same depth and that soil hauled away, it will take some coordination to get trucks in and out as the gravel is being moved around:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures248.jpg
The old blueberry field:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures250.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures253.jpg

19 feet down is the bottom of this pre load marker!!
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures251.jpg

The edges:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures249.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures254.jpg

***BEFORE***
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures103.jpg
***AFTER***
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures255.jpg

***BEFORE***
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures095.jpg
***AFTER***
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures256.jpg

The bills for the gravel are still coming in, first one was over $100,000 and the second one was $95,000, it should reach around $235,000 for 34,000 tons of gravel.

bobcat_ron
12-07-2007, 11:13 PM
If you want to see this place on Google Earth, here's the numbers:

49 degrees 05' 56.32" North
122 degrees 19' 01.01 West

Gravel Rat
12-08-2007, 12:45 AM
Where Bobcat Ron is farm country then you move West you start hitting the solid B.C. You look at Richmond (little China) and Delta B.C. its all sand you get a earthquake Richmond would disapear. Get into Burnaby and Coquitlam your into mountains. Move into North Van your into the mountains.

The Farm country covers Maple Ridge, Pitt Meadows, Mission, Aldergrove and Chilliwack and moves east.

Get out to the outer coast and Vancouver island you need dynamite or a hydraulic hammer. In areas your lucky to dig down 6 inches and you into solid rock that you need to blast. Some places you dig down 6 feet and your into solid rock.

Areas like where I live we have to truck topsoil from the Valley to the Coast it is very expensive.

I bet one thing Ron doesn't notice anymore is the smell of cow crap :laugh:

bobcat_ron
12-08-2007, 11:09 AM
Nope, I hardly notice it, only when I go into town for a few hours and come back, wow what a relief to smell that farm air again!

bobcat_ron
12-19-2007, 02:12 PM
Nothing major, just some proof that I actually work:

*12-10-2007*

Digging river sand out of a field for fill inside of a new barn:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures281.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures282.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures285.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures284.jpg

*12-12-2007*
Backfilling a new milking parlor with a new round style set up, a real pain to back fill as you have to literally drive around it all the time:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures289.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures288.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures287.jpg

*12-17-2007*
Finally got some seat time in the Pete, went to a barn site that was torn down and all the concrete is getting crushed, the Bobcat S150 IS NOT MINE!! It's the contractor's, he screwed me over when he bought it because he thought I was far to expensive with the hourly rates:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures295.jpg
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I watched that Bobcat and the hammer punch concrete, what a damn joke, it vibrates so bad when it's hammering, it's vibrating inside the casing and the casing is vibrating on the attachment frame, God, I'm glad I don't own one, every 300 hrs something has to be tightened or replaced just to keep that hammer from falling off.
Also, this hammer has only barely 300 impact pounds, it took 15 seconds to break a chunk of concrete that was only 8" thick and less than 2 feet square, my "big Betty" can smash through it in 3-5 seconds with 725 lbs of impact, and the contractor complained that I was too expensive @ $105 per hour!!!

RockSet N' Grade
12-19-2007, 02:17 PM
My theory still has some value here: Why do it right the first time when you can do it twice?

Another one I have for my area: No good deed goes unpunished.

bobcat_ron
12-19-2007, 02:21 PM
My theory still has some value here: Why do it right the first time when you can do it twice?

Another one I have for my area: No good deed goes unpunished.

Me no understand, me not so smart. http://www.p1x44r.com/smiles/badidea.gif

Fieldman12
12-19-2007, 06:53 PM
I like the pics Bobcat ron. There is some good looking Cat equipment in those pics. :)

bobcat_ron
12-19-2007, 07:19 PM
Yeah I know, I think the boss is staying with CAT, his looks so nice next to my Cat MTL and he's never had any mechanical issues with any of the Cats he owns.

mrsops
12-19-2007, 07:41 PM
fords and bobcats thats what i love lol

bobcat_ron
12-19-2007, 07:45 PM
Yup, like Guns & Beer.

mrsops
12-19-2007, 07:48 PM
hey ron t320 going for 62,000 lol is that crazy or what

bobcat_ron
12-19-2007, 09:14 PM
It is, considering the "quality" that Bobcat has, no major changes to the cabs, loader strength, pins & bushings in the past 8 years or so, it's a rip off.
I'll bet you can score a new 297C Cat for $58,000.

mrsops
12-19-2007, 09:15 PM
Yeah I Mean I Own 8 9 Machines All Bobcats I Could Prob Get Them Down To 58,000 Lol

Scag48
12-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Yeah I Mean I Own 8 9 Machines All Bobcats I Could Prob Get Them Down To 58,000 Lol

I would hope so. Our Cat dealer came to the table ready to deal on our 4th Cat, which was a 277B last year. We got a pretty smokin' deal on a fully loaded 277B with a combo bucket.

mrsops
12-19-2007, 09:23 PM
How Much Did They Take Off?

Scag48
12-19-2007, 09:24 PM
We got the machine, completely loaded (A/C, hydraulic coupler, etc..) for $52K with the combo bucket, which is somewhere around $4500 for the 78" model we had.

mrsops
12-19-2007, 09:26 PM
Not Bad Its Easier For These Dealers To Throw In Buckets Or Attachments Then It Is For Them To Shave Off Money

Scag48
12-20-2007, 01:56 AM
Well we wanted the bucket, and you're right, it is, but for something you're going to buy anyway, it's basically like knocking money off.

kreft
12-20-2007, 09:29 PM
Not Bad Its Easier For These Dealers To Throw In Buckets Or Attachments Then It Is For Them To Shave Off Money

I saw that SWEET F-750 in that one thread, and with 7-8 bobcats you should start a picture thread of all your equipment, I know a couple of guys that would love to see it. By the way what size bobcats do you have?

mrsops
12-20-2007, 09:34 PM
2007 s330 k series gold package
2006 s205 k series cab and heat
2005 s205 gold package
2007 s100 may be on its way just sold my 553

2005 t190 gold package
2004 mt 52 walk behind

2005 334 ex gold package
1999 341 cab and heat

P.Services
12-20-2007, 09:37 PM
2007 s330 k series gold package
2006 s205 k series cab and heat
2005 s205 gold package
2007 s100 may be on its way just sold my 553

2005 t190 gold package
2004 mt 52 walk behind

2005 334 ex gold package
1999 341 cab and heat

what do you think of the t190? and yeah i agree with kreft start your own picture thread and keep you crap off mine!!!!:laugh::laugh:

mrsops
12-20-2007, 09:39 PM
i will steam clean all machines and trucks tommorow and post everything up for you guys. i love the t190 its a great machine has alot of power. i was in a t300 not to long ago and let me tell you something its like a bulldozer you cant stop it

kreft
12-21-2007, 02:44 PM
i will steam clean all machines and trucks tommorow and post everything up for you guys. i love the t190 its a great machine has alot of power. i was in a t300 not to long ago and let me tell you something its like a bulldozer you cant stop it

Alright thanks, thats alot of machines, what do you exactly do, you must have alot of trucks and trailers, if you dont mind me asking what kind of trucks do you run?

mrsops
12-21-2007, 11:30 PM
landscaping commerical and residential. pavers,blockwalls,waterfalls. also do alot of machine work grading big areas backfilling foundations, some demo work. I also do alot of city work for the parks dept planting trees on curbs and parks. where big on the fords with the cats in them and i do have a gmc3500 and a international

bobcat_ron
01-26-2008, 01:20 PM
It's been very slow aound here for me lately, I have some pics of some fun I had in he past 7 weeks:

Had some fun dozing out 9 loads of sand, 3 here and 6 on the other side:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures363.jpg

Graded out a holding area for a milking parlor:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures359.jpg

Dug a nice deep trench for new a water line:
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And we all played with a rented Hitachi 230, the first machine to have the new Izzy 4 cylinder engine in it, 3000+ hours and it had a minor exhaust leak, so the operator was a little dizzy for a while:
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I got bored so I hitched a ride in a Volvo A30 ADT for some fun, very nice cab, even has a CCTV for the back up system, great for flipping the driver off when you are working in in a hole below him!
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And then I had to spend some money, seems the 68" combo bucket lost it's cutting edge due to all the back dragging on pavement and concrete I do so I had my local welder put a new edge underneath:
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RockSet N' Grade
01-26-2008, 09:49 PM
boobcatron....did you use AR400 or T-1 type material for that cutting edge?

cat2
01-26-2008, 09:57 PM
thats a nice barn. how many cows is he going to run. the cat is still going i see :rolleyes:

Gravel Rat
01-26-2008, 10:56 PM
I'am not surprised if that is a OEM Cat bucket don't they use the cheapest steel they can buy to build their machines out of :laugh:

I don't know any 4in1 bucket that doesn't see abuse.

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 12:25 PM
bobcatron....did you use AR400 or T-1 type material for that cutting edge?

Not sure, he used some old cutting edge he had lying around, I didn't want a real hard, high quality and expensive cutting edge o it, the other edge (on the mold board part) is due for replacement too, so I need this one to wear down enough to get the new one in place.

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 12:27 PM
thats a nice barn. how many cows is he going to run. the cat is still going i see :rolleyes:

It holds up to 200 milking cows, and a new rotary milking parlor to, mega-millions of dollars there, the barn has 2 huge manure pits underneath with slatted floors, this farmer is very smart in going with the under-the-barn-manure pits, no smell and less water in the manure.

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 12:33 PM
I'am not surprised if that is a OEM Cat bucket don't they use the cheapest steel they can buy to build their machines out of :laugh:

I don't know any 4in1 bucket that doesn't see abuse.


That's actually a Bobcat combo, bought it in 2003 new, I wore down so much steel in 2 months of gravel work last year, even the teeth couldn't prevent it from wearing off the OEM cutting edges.

Here is it was new, the day I bought the Bobcrap T190 with the 68" combo:

cat2
01-27-2008, 12:56 PM
yea he seems smart. and has lots of money

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 12:58 PM
But he's a Dutch man, very, very cheap. He took a lot of convincing to get me back on his site to finish up the grading, after they tried with their 763 Bobcat, what a joke, tracks rule.

mrsops
01-27-2008, 01:11 PM
bobcat ron how much did you pay for yout t-190. my salesman tells me there going for 44,000 now

cat2
01-27-2008, 01:17 PM
yes tracks are nice, but for me i would only have a wheeled machine. if i did the kind of work you do i work have tracks too

ksss
01-27-2008, 01:24 PM
yes tracks are nice, but for me i would only have a wheeled machine. if i did the kind of work you do i work have tracks too

After BCron gets done with his CAT he might be back in wheels as well.:laugh:

mrsops
01-27-2008, 01:27 PM
yeah i dont want to sound anti cat but every single guy i talk to out here that has bought a cat track machine either go back to bobcat or bash the hell out of there machine because they hate it so much. a few of them tell me the undercarrage is just such crap i dont know i never owned a cat to say but all i know is that all these guys are going back to bobcat

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 02:33 PM
I payed exactly $62,241 CAN for mine, loaded, heat & A/C, radio, High flow, alarm package and combo bucket, that bucket alone was $4200, that's why I hung on to it for the Cat.
I'm not going back to tires, ever. Even if I had a job that required constant turning on pavement, tracks still leave less rubber behind on driveways and such. My dad always says too that when he had the old 943 Bobcat, he was always cursing at it, even with the Loegering steel tracks on it, if there was a CTL back in the late 80's, no matter what the size, he would have bought one.
That pic with the Cat sitting inside of a building after I leveled the sand off only took me an hour to do, I was there the previous weekend with the farmer's 763 trying to level it off and it took me 3 hours of constant back blading and filling in the pot holes as I went, the contractor was always on my ass because he wanted it done by Monday morning, so I brought my Cat in regardless, and got it done faster.

The days of "bashing" my machines are done and behind me, in this small business you don't make a lot of friends by beating on your machine on a job site to get a job done, I can do just as much damage to my Cat U/C as I did on my Bobcat U/C, but where will that get me? And what does it prove?

Another thing to add here, one of the customers I have, switched to Cat 4 years ago, he's got a 232 and 262 and a 304CR, I asked him if he's ever had any issues with his skids, he said none, only the usual flat tires. No leaky fittings and hoses, no engine problems and certainly no cracked loader frames. He runs a big building company and all his employees beat on those Cats like they stole them.

Like I have said before, Cat is by no means the "best" machine out there, but hands down, they are built better and last longer than Bobcats.

Gravel Rat
01-27-2008, 03:40 PM
Tracks are the way to go. I mentioned this before but one of the local contractors has the same machine Ron has and the owner of the company says he will never go backed to a wheeled skid EVER. They rented a wheeled skid and every operator hated it. It was a Cat wheel skid the thing bounced around it didn't grade as nice and definatly wasn't the same production speed.

I have run wheeled skids and I hate running them it is worse than running a rubber tired backhoe. Your bounced around like a rag doll inside the cab.

Track machines will go anywhere. Look at a excavator it will go places a wheeled excavator can't or places a 4x4 backhoe can't.

You may get more undercarriage wear on a tracked machine but the production pays for that.

ma5tr
01-27-2008, 04:47 PM
Gravel Rat,

You constantly seem to forget that all machinery has its uses. Where a 18000lb excavator is to big one contractor it may be to small to another. Same goes with multiterrain loader compared to a skidsteer. There are places a mtl can go that a skid cant but a mtl cant do all the things a skid can do. Everything has its market and I think you have yet to learn this. When buying equipment you must look at all aspects of the purchase. For example where your residential landscape market allows you to operate a 9/10 ton excavtor to help complete installs....a 9/10ton excavator in toronto for residential installs would be virtually useless as it would give me no access to 75% of the residential properties I install landscapes for. Commercial is a different market.

coopers
01-27-2008, 05:07 PM
Gravel Rat,

You constantly seem to forget that all machinery has its uses. Where a 18000lb excavator is to big one contractor it may be to small to another. Same goes with multiterrain loader compared to a skidsteer. There are places a mtl can go that a skid cant but a mtl cant do all the things a skid can do. Everything has its market and I think you have yet to learn this. When buying equipment you must look at all aspects of the purchase. For example where your residential landscape market allows you to operate a 9/10 ton excavtor to help complete installs....a 9/10ton excavator in toronto for residential installs would be virtually useless as it would give me no access to 75% of the residential properties I install landscapes for. Commercial is a different market.

Right...every machine has their purpose. I use a 9500lbs kubota 121 on most of my jobs I do....

Blake
WA

qps
01-27-2008, 05:48 PM
yeah i dont want to sound anti cat but every single guy i talk to out here that has bought a cat track machine either go back to bobcat or bash the hell out of there machine because they hate it so much. a few of them tell me the undercarrage is just such crap i dont know i never owned a cat to say but all i know is that all these guys are going back to bobcat

Bash and undercarriage.....:rolleyes:...I won't get into another pi$$ing match on brands but I tried almost all of them...bobcat would not have been my second choice...not even my third..

Gravel Rat
01-27-2008, 07:42 PM
The rental companies rent the 6000-8000lb excavators cheap so building contractors just rent a machine. For us out here there is no demand for mini excavators smaller than 10,000lbs. A 161 Kubota will go where a 6000lb machine will. If you need to get a machine in tight spot then call in one of the crane companies they will lift the machine over the house or down into a hole for you.

For 90% of the landscaping in the area is done by hand there is no access to the front yard of the house. Allot of properties are not easy access some places you can barely get a tandem axle dump into. Most places the driveway is too steep to back up or just too narrow to make the turns. Work is all done by hand. Moving 30 yards of topsoil is done in wheelbarrows to 5 gallon buckets. If you have flights of stairs then you got to use buckets. Most houses have a small pathway where a wheelbarrow will just fit.

When your developing a building lot you do all the major landscaping before you start the house because once the house is build there is no access with a machine. Most properties are benched to give the homeowners some flat spots and or a lawn.

One property that I might be interested in is 1 acre but its a tough property to work on. To get a house site will require 30,000 dollars worth of blasting to bench off a house site. There is a partial road into the property but it only goes in so far. To get the house up to where you have a good spot will require more blasting or 2 or 3 days with a 200 size machine and breaker. Or I pay a blasting contractor 500 dollars a hour to drill and blast.

This property will be on the market for a long time its too tough for somebody to try tempt it. A experienced developer or a excavation contractor would buy it.

Would be cheaper for a person like me to buy my own excavator and gravel truck than pay one of the local contractors 50-60,000 to rough in the site. The worst part is there is no merchantable wood on the property its all 1 and 2 foot diameter fir trees only good for firewood. I could have the property logged off in a month but I would need a highlead yarding operation to get the wood down the property too steep and rough for a skidder.

Oh well a guy can think about it I can't afford it. I could buy the property and thats about it. A 200 sized excavator would take about a month to get the road punched in and able for the trucks to get up and down. If I had a 350 excavator it would rip most of the fractured rock and blast the rest.

You city guys don't know what real developing is like :laugh:

BIGBEN2004
01-27-2008, 07:44 PM
The Cat undercarriage is unbeatable in the correct conditions. When I say correct conditions I mean very soft muddy conditions, flat ground(unless you are going up and down on slopes), or sandy type soils. The wrong conditions are rocky soils, spreading stone in driveways mainly #2 sized stones, or on steep grades that require driving sideways on the slopes since it wears the tracks out fast and pops them off. They are super smooth and incredibly quite and grade like a road grader. I personally own a Takeuchi TL130 and love it but I would love to add a Cat 277C in my business one day. The reason I bought the Takeuchi is I do jobs that require allot of the bad conditions I just mentioned above. I am not bias toward any one brand but I will say I don't care for Bobcat very much just like I don't care for Deere skid steers either.

cat2
01-27-2008, 09:31 PM
i guess a tracked machine would work for me, but i really don't need it. i load silage, which a track machine would be better. then i clean the barns which i'm on cement and don't need tracks. then picking up round bales out in the feild which a wheeled machine is fine because its dry in the summer

bobcat_ron
01-27-2008, 10:18 PM
I find that this Cat ASV U/C has insane amounts of traction on manure slick concrete, whereas the the Bobcrap U/C what just like ice.

BIGBEN2004
01-28-2008, 10:08 AM
Yes the cat U/C does do much better for traction specifically when climbing hills also. I find that the 267 I used too run would climb hills much better the my Takeuchi TL130 could ever think of climbing.

bobcat_ron
02-11-2008, 10:00 PM
I wish I was busy, even doing this would make me happy:

Ditch cleaning 101:

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My calendar:
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Dirt Digger2
02-11-2008, 10:21 PM
haha i have the same calender hanging next to me...i found this one at 50% off after new years so i had to act...they didn't have any CASE equipment calenders at the stand in the mall...i should have complained