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amanda8950
12-02-2007, 03:57 PM
Is the threat of gas prices continuing to rise making some of you rethink your truck situations ? I have an '07 F-250 diesel and am really thinking about going to either a 3/4 ton gas or maybe even down to a 1/2 ton. I bought my truck right and am not going to be upside down on it based on the appraisals I've gotten so far but just don't know if I want to throw away the equity to get into a gas truck.

grassmanak
12-02-2007, 04:01 PM
i wouldnt, i have a gas engine and cant wait to get rid of it.

Gravel Rat
12-02-2007, 06:08 PM
It is amazing your complaining about paying 3.15 a gallon for regular gas when out here on the West Coast of Canada we pay 4.10 a gallon the cheapest is 3.56 a gallon. That is for regular grade for premium the cheapest is 4.29 a gallon. Diesel fuel is 4.25 a gallon.

SimonCX
12-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Why my 1 ton diesel gets around 15mpg loaded and the same gas truck would be around 8-9 loaded. It starts to add up quick if you drive alot. If you load up your truck alot and pull a trailer bigger then 16ft I don't see why you would want to get rid of your diesel, it's not going to cost you less to maintain a gas truck.

GravelyNut
12-02-2007, 09:01 PM
I had a choice back in 2001 when I bought my 1ton. 8.1L gas or the Duramax. The choice came down to when I would payback the difference in the cost of the Diesel engine vs the gasoline used. Since then, the cost of Diesel has gone up more than gas. So now it comes down to cost per mile. Currently about $.30 for gas vs $.29 for Diesel per mile. Difference of $.02 per mile. Diesel truck would have cost an extra $8000. So it would have taken 400000 miles to get back the cost. Thanks, I'll stick with gasoline. And it wasn't as if the dealer didn't try. $27K on a $35K gas truck vs $35K on a $43K Diesel.

GravelyNut
12-02-2007, 09:03 PM
i wouldnt, i have a gas engine and cant wait to get rid of it.
Let me guess, a 6.0L?

rfed32
12-02-2007, 09:12 PM
i would trade my truck in for a deisel anyday of the week...but u got what u can afford...makes me want to buy a small s10 or ranger for the days i dont need my half ton

SimonCX
12-02-2007, 11:22 PM
I had a choice back in 2001 when I bought my 1ton. 8.1L gas or the Duramax. The choice came down to when I would payback the difference in the cost of the Diesel engine vs the gasoline used. Since then, the cost of Diesel has gone up more than gas. So now it comes down to cost per mile. Currently about $.30 for gas vs $.29 for Diesel per mile. Difference of $.02 per mile. Diesel truck would have cost an extra $8000. So it would have taken 400000 miles to get back the cost. Thanks, I'll stick with gasoline. And it wasn't as if the dealer didn't try. $27K on a $35K gas truck vs $35K on a $43K Diesel.

I think you forgot a diesel will average better mpg then a gasser. It's closer to 70-75k to get the extra cost back for a diesel not 400k. Figure a diesel will get 450-550 miles out a 38 gallon gas tank where a gasser will be 300 to 375 out of the same tank. Diesel is not that much more but you get more miles out of it. I will never go back to a gasser, getting 8mpg pulling a trailer sucks.

lwcmattlifter
12-03-2007, 06:07 AM
I'm waiting for a 1/2 ton diesel that gets in the 30 mpg range. I wouldn't trade my 3/4 and 1-ton diesels for gas trucks, especially since the're paid for.

lawn king
12-03-2007, 06:38 AM
Fuel is very high and it hurts, but its a fact of (business) life. Downsizing to smaller trucks makes no sense to me at all. Smaller trucks, less capacity = more trips to dump,haul,etc. Gas vs diesel is a whole other debate, after years of gas, now on diesel, you can keep the gassers!

TGK
12-03-2007, 07:44 AM
I hope this helps alot of you guys. . With my credit cards I recieve 5% cash back on gas purchases, and points etc. This in addition to deducting my fuel costs eases the burden. Scower (sp?) the web and look for good cards, they help!

TXNSLighting
12-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Real trucks dont have spark plugs...need i say more?! diesel is the best choice, stick with it. if you want to eak a little better mileage out of it, put an air intake on it. maybe a small chip. but keep your foot out of it. i put an air intake and bully dog programmer on mine, mileage went up 3+ mpg, when i drive very grandpaish, i get 4 or better with it. tire pressure is big also. Also your customers should be paying your fuel...

GravelyNut
12-03-2007, 02:44 PM
I think you forgot a diesel will average better mpg then a gasser. It's closer to 70-75k to get the extra cost back for a diesel not 400k. Figure a diesel will get 450-550 miles out a 38 gallon gas tank where a gasser will be 300 to 375 out of the same tank. Diesel is not that much more but you get more miles out of it. I will never go back to a gasser, getting 8mpg pulling a trailer sucks.
Diesel is now at $3.59,figuring 16 MPG =$.224 per mile. Regular Gasoline at $3.07, figuring 13 MPG =$.236 per mile, figuring 12 yields $.255, figuring 11 gets you up to the 4c difference. The Dmax would have to get an honest 20 MPG or the 8.1L at 11 to get it to $.04 per mile savings and that would still put it at 200,000 miles before the 8K payback was equaled.
Fuel tanks in the 3500's are 35 gallons for the year I have. Range is about 450 at the 13 MPG rating. With a 38 gallon tank, that would put it at the 494 mile range. 350 miles per tank indicates my truck needs a load or tuned. All these mileage figures come from running from here to Ohio and back. With the runs north loaded and the return trips empty.

GravelyNut
12-03-2007, 02:54 PM
Real trucks dont have spark plugs...need i say more?! diesel is the best choice, stick with it. if you want to eak a little better mileage out of it, put an air intake on it. maybe a small chip. but keep your foot out of it. i put an air intake and bully dog programmer on mine, mileage went up 3+ mpg, when i drive very grandpaish, i get 4 or better with it. tire pressure is big also. Also your customers should be paying your fuel...

So you would call a 69 Dodge 1.5 ton flatbed truck not a truck because it ran a 318?

And there are Diesel engines that use spark plugs also. :D

Scag48
12-03-2007, 03:05 PM
Real trucks dont have spark plugs...need i say more?!

Hahaha, that's hilarious. Class 8 trucks aren't REAL trucks? I'd say they're more of a real truck than a weenie 1 ton rig.

PS, some of the new diesels in class 8 trucks have spark plugs for emissions, but I'm sure you already knew that. :drinkup:

humble1
12-03-2007, 03:28 PM
I dont mind paying more for gas if i can get it out of my customers. The problem is when i have to raise my price so much hat it gets to expensive and the customer says fine ill do it myself.

TXNSLighting
12-03-2007, 03:32 PM
So you would call a 69 Dodge 1.5 ton flatbed truck not a truck because it ran a 318?

And there are Diesel engines that use spark plugs also. :D

YES!!! ha! no gas engine is a good engine!:cool2: DIESEL:weightlifter:

SimonCX
12-03-2007, 05:01 PM
Diesel is now at $3.59,figuring 16 MPG =$.224 per mile. Regular Gasoline at $3.07, figuring 13 MPG =$.236 per mile, figuring 12 yields $.255, figuring 11 gets you up to the 4c difference. The Dmax would have to get an honest 20 MPG or the 8.1L at 11 to get it to $.04 per mile savings and that would still put it at 200,000 miles before the 8K payback was equaled.
Fuel tanks in the 3500's are 35 gallons for the year I have. Range is about 450 at the 13 MPG rating. With a 38 gallon tank, that would put it at the 494 mile range. 350 miles per tank indicates my truck needs a load or tuned. All these mileage figures come from running from here to Ohio and back. With the runs north loaded and the return trips empty.

Say what you want but the mpg are going to average about 5-6 mpg difference between the two if you take all driving which is mainly pulling a trailer for me. I have a friend who has a cummins and pulls a 30+ ft trailer and averages about 18mpg, show me a gas 1 ton truck that will do that. Like I said if you pull a bigger trailer and have the truck loaded a couple times a week a diesel is the way to go. If your pulling a 10ft trailer with one walkbehind then theres really no benefit to a diesel. I had a gas truck before the diesel and no way did I average 13mpg, if I got 10 mpg I was lucky.

PGold
12-03-2007, 05:28 PM
I like my gas truck. My 2004 f250 gets about 15 to 17+ mpg going 65 mph. When I pull our 2005 22 foot airstream which weighs approximately 5,500 pounds and has tandem axles I get 12 mpg. My uncle has a 2004 f250 with the 6.0. He gets 13 mpg pulling the same trailer in the same conditions. His interstate fuel economy is 18 mpg at best. His 1999 f250 with the 7.3 did a lot better than that. He had a bullydog chip in his 1999 and the fuel economy was around 20+mpg. I have a friend with an 08 6.4 and he said he doesn't get any better fuel economy than a 6.0, but he has a lot more power. With fuel prices the way they are, I wouldn't buy a 6.0 or 6.4 unless I lived in a different area. We are at sea level and don't have any hills, so I have never needed more power than what my 5.4 delivers. Also, my 5.4 has been trouble free for the 45,000 miles I have owned it. The 2004 6.0 had 2,500 dollars worth of work done to the injectors at 103,000 miles.

JimmyStew
12-03-2007, 07:37 PM
My gas bill is running about 12% higher YTD this year over last. In all honesty, however, it represents a small percentage of my overall expenses so I don't really worry about it too much. Ya, paying more at the pump sucks and I'm sure the oil companies are laughing at us but the cost increase isn't significant enough for me to "pass it on" to my customers during regular service work. The only exception being on straight deliveries where I charge a separate delivery charge. I bumped that up a bit, but mostly because I could because everybody expects it.

FYI my 3/4 ton is a V8 gas engine and I don't do mowing so I don't put tons of miles on the truck driving around all day.

JimmyStew
12-03-2007, 07:42 PM
Just out of curiosity, how much is your gas/fuel bill as a percentage of your overall expenses and/or gross income. As of today, fuel represents just over 10% of expenses (not including payrole) and less than 5% of gross income.

FearThisDeere
12-03-2007, 07:57 PM
I wouldn't even think about getting rid of or switching my truck because of gas. I have a V8 and V10. Yeah, it's expensive but you just have to deal with it. I use the V8 when I can and use the V10 when needed. I go where I want to go and still just drive around for fun. I'm not going to let the oil companies control my life. I can't haul 8K lbs. with a hybrid. I need that throaty American engine in front of me. I'll burn gas or diesel for as long as possible until they outlaw it!

TWUllc
12-03-2007, 08:33 PM
For how much the Duramax/Alli combo costs over the 6.0 Vortec I have, the cost diff between diesel & gasoline, and the fact I put no more than 6-7K on the truck a year, I wouldn't think twice about going with another gasser, in a WORK pickup that is.

Lawnworks
12-04-2007, 09:48 AM
Diesel is now at $3.59,figuring 16 MPG =$.224 per mile. Regular Gasoline at $3.07, figuring 13 MPG =$.236 per mile, figuring 12 yields $.255, figuring 11 gets you up to the 4c difference. The Dmax would have to get an honest 20 MPG or the 8.1L at 11 to get it to $.04 per mile savings and that would still put it at 200,000 miles before the 8K payback was equaled.
Fuel tanks in the 3500's are 35 gallons for the year I have. Range is about 450 at the 13 MPG rating. With a 38 gallon tank, that would put it at the 494 mile range. 350 miles per tank indicates my truck needs a load or tuned. All these mileage figures come from running from here to Ohio and back. With the runs north loaded and the return trips empty.

What about resale value? Won't you recoup a large portion of that 8k when you sell it?

Hummer
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
It is amazing your complaining about paying 3.15 a gallon for regular gas when out here on the West Coast of Canada we pay 4.10 a gallon the cheapest is 3.56 a gallon. That is for regular grade for premium the cheapest is 4.29 a gallon. Diesel fuel is 4.25 a gallon.

Isn't fuel sold by the liter in Canada?

If it's sold by the gallon then it must be an Imperial gallon which is less than a gallon here in the states. 1 U.S. Gallon = 0.83267 Canadian (Imperial) Gallon. (From: http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/7DEE32CD-7C78-4EDF-9AE2-A1E69E19CFD6/ )

bobcat_ron
12-04-2007, 11:41 AM
You're always better to keep what you got, even if you bought something used for less monthly payments, it's the upkeep that'll bite back.

But I'm not one to complain, I get all my Diesel bulk, all 3200 gallons of it for cheap and I burn whatever colour I feel like burning!! CHEAP!! CHEAP!!

Gravel Rat
12-04-2007, 02:07 PM
I converted it to US gallons to give you guys a better idea what we are paying. Right now diesel fuel is around 1.14 a litre.

The local gravel haulers were burning marked fuel untill somebody snitched and now they are running clear fuel. That doesn't matter now they bumped the rate up another 3 bucks per hour to cover fuel costs.

GravelyNut
12-05-2007, 06:13 AM
What about resale value? Won't you recoup a large portion of that 8k when you sell it?

You should be able to, but that depends on a lot of factors. Neighbor in Ohio bought a used one that just about the only thing changed from his to mine was the engine. It cost him less used, than blue book was on my 8.1 at the time. Owner of the local mower shop would likely let his 05 go cheap as it doesn't do as well as his 03 did with all other things being the same. So it all depends.

mark_the_psycho
12-05-2007, 07:29 AM
NOPE! I have a 99 f250 and I get 22mpg on the highway

TXNSLighting
12-05-2007, 08:54 AM
my 99 f350 eventually got 23.6 mpg 68 mph highway for 552 miles on cruise control. i was so very very impressed with it! before the trip i put a 4 inch straight pipe exhaust, and a 120 hp chip. i was so excited, ended up getting about 630 miles on that tank.