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MuskTurfKing
10-18-2001, 12:37 AM
I'm a tad bit puzzled with a few of you....you folks with JD 455's....unless I'm mistaken, these lawn tractors cost over $12,000!!! Now, if I had $12,000 to spend on equipment, why not buy ZTR's? You could get 2 decent ones for the same price. I'm not putting your equipment down, I run a lawn tractor too. Although it's better than my 21", I hate the extra time spend turning...I'm ditching the thing as soon as I have enough cash for a more productive mower. But really, that is a heck of a lot of money, and even if you have one to run a spreader, aerater, or whatever, why not buy a cheaper tractor? I'd just like to hear a little feed back from the 455 owners on why they picked the most expensive lawn tractor I can think of.

Hank

Eric ELM
10-18-2001, 12:53 AM
You are not hearing from a 455 owner, but a owner of a 430 JD. The 455 replaced the 430 back in about 1991 I think.

The reason I bought mine is, I was dumb. :(
I thought green and yellow was the thing to have at the time and I had never used a ZTR. I was brought up turning steering wheels. :(

Now I know better. :)

BTW, I use my ZTR for aerating, fertilizing, dethatching, in other words, my 430 is for snow and dirt work only now. ;)

Administrator
10-18-2001, 01:07 AM
I would not say "dumb" ....

More like "uneducated" at the time.

Chuck

KirbysLawn
10-18-2001, 01:22 AM
Well Chuck, I don't know.......in a secret photo taken back in "the day" you can see here Eric maybe was not thinking too clear, pimp'n wasn't easy ya know.http://www.unionturf.com/pimp.gif

David Haggerty
10-18-2001, 05:45 AM
I'm in the middle of farm country.

I think they make mower decks for compact utility tractors so the farmers can write off their lawn mower as farm equipment.

Trouble is some of these plant managers and plant maintenance supervisors think a compact utility tractor is a viable way to mow their lawns...WRONG.

That's where I come in. I can think of four factories that were mowing with compact utility tractors that I've taken over the mowing by having true lawn equipment.
One factory had an employee mowing full time all week long throughout the summer. I mow it in four hours. There can't be enough said about having the right equipment for the job. I guess it's possible the man was nursing the job a little too.

I have a neighbor who is a farmer that hooks his Grasshopper to a grain auger every fall. So public opinion must be changing.

I'd trade that tractor now. One nice thing about tractors, especially JD's they hold their value like they were gold bullion.

Dave

AltaLawnCare
10-18-2001, 08:57 AM
I bought my 345 used. :) So I only have about the same in it as a belt drive wb.
One thing to consider is; does that 455 have the 4 wheel steering?? If so, that will make a difference.

I'm sure Flex will find this thread.:p

MuskTurfKing
10-18-2001, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I would like Flex to tell me why he choose not one, but two of these super expensive machines...I just can't see the advantage. If I needed to be SUPER productive, I'd buy a Super Z 72" and do burnouts ;)

Hank

a1 lawncare
10-18-2001, 02:43 PM
my own persomel yard is 3.36 acres of grass, the little murrays, craftsmans, and other asorted mowers would not hold up, z's were just coming out and ( the first one i looked at was a dixon, what a jewel) i don't like to buy a new untested design, then the jd salesman told me how great this machine is , a 455, and how weak the z's are, you've got to remember i'm compairing a 455 and a little flimzy dixon, i went wth the green and yellow, and it's been a good machine, now the deck is out and i'm putting it to other uses, mainly aerating. i dont know why i waited on a z so long the speed and manuvrebilty(sp) are great, i'll never go back if your only cutting a few properties a day a 455 would probably last you a lifetime, there is nothing bad i can say about the tractor itself, oh yea the hour meter broke at 2361 hrs and that was over a year ago. when i bought mine it seems it was around 8000$ and some change early 90's, about the same price as a cub.

people still buying them i don't know, maybe they want the 3pt.
hitch, i know i use mine, but for cuttin you can't beat a Z.

keith

Runner
10-18-2001, 03:00 PM
On the other hand, when it comes time to roto till, grade, cultivate, use a bucket, bushhog, plow or blow snow, pull a load, or..............

Pauls Mowing
10-18-2001, 06:47 PM
Thank you Runner. I'll keep my 955 and the 1050. Works great for those kinds of jobs.

Paul

stslawncare
10-18-2001, 07:52 PM
if u look at the new jd 455 it is a 22 hp diesel, auto with twin touch two pedel speed and direction control, 26'' turning radius, 54" mower deck, hydraulic implement lift, power steering, tilt wheel, cruise control for $11,299.00. between all those features and the color it is thats perfectly understandble. thats ur top quality garden tractor. u can go and buy a craftsman 23 hp gas 48" deck, with the kohler pro v-twin engine automatic with electric clutch with the cupholder for $3,099.99, this is craftsmans top quality garden tractor. For the toro u got the 23 hp diesel cruise control, power steering for about $9,000. as you can see of course the diesels are more, and obviosuly the john deere name brand adds a lot more. also the johndeere 455 is a much better tractor, or should i say very strong. i feel the 455 is for a small farmer with about 4-8 acres of land that needs the muscle of a tractor. they need the diesel engine, the cruise control for large mowing areas, and the hydraulic implement lift and all those extras mean a lot to someone doing a lot of ground breaking work. now u can go buy ur $3,000 craftsman or toro but i wouldnt go and do some of the stuff mentioned above with it. the cheaper tractors are for the small property just mowing and light snow plowing people, the john deere 455 styles are for the small farmers. as for why they dont buy ztrs? people are under the impression that ztrs are for landscapers ONLY. also as strong as they are i would not want to do ground breaking work with them often. i personally would not invest in one of the 455's, but i also dont live on a large property of land. well enough said i think i pretty much explained everything :-)

MuskTurfKing
10-20-2001, 01:20 AM
I understand farmers using a 455, but there are a couple guys on the forum, I know Flex runs them, and why does he? Why not Z's? Apparently he swears by them? What gives him the edge for mowing?