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01-04-2008, 08:13 PM
hey guys, well last summer my cheapo laser got stolen out of my truck, and I've got another job(s) comming up where I'll need it again... because frankly who wants to use a transit. I've been researching a little (that's why I'm asking on here) and I think I might spring for one of these lasers that allow you to program the slope into it instead of having to adjust you're rod or set stakes. anyways the one I've come across so far is...
Click Here (http://www.lascolaser.com/product/AS2-Servo-Leveled-Slope-Laser_Qitem300-0000S.html)

anyone have one or suggest somthing else

01-04-2008, 09:09 PM
That looks like the same laser made by Apache. Are you only doing single slop or dual slope? If that is the Apache there is an attachment for it to use it as dual slope but it is cheesy. Apache laser equipment is first class as far as I am concerned. I bought a Topcon dual plane laser cant remember the model number it was about $2,500 if I remember correctly. What ever brand you buy be sure you can get it worked on. They do need to be serviced from time to time.

01-04-2008, 09:24 PM
Stay with Topcon or better yet, Trimple, most of these companies are just re-badged products.

And get some insurance on these buggers, my brother has an independent insurance set up on all tools over 600 bucks in value.

01-04-2008, 09:28 PM
well i recently bought a Spectra Precision Laser LL400 with a HR500 and CR500 recievers.


its self leveling which means real fast setups. you can also pitch the laser for slopes. a remote is also available so you can change the grade.

the CR600 reciever has a magnetic base which you can mount to a backhoe or excavator boom, or anything else you can think of.
i dig foundations with an excavator, with the cr600 reciever mounted on the boom. i dont need a guy in the whole checking grade.



spectra also makes simpler and more sophisticated lasers. it just depends how much you want to spend.:dizzy:

AWJ Services
01-04-2008, 09:33 PM
I have a Leica but another member here said that Leica was getting out of the Laser buisness.
They are really heavy duty with very little plastic in there internal parts.
I woulld like to know who has comparable quality to Leica construction wise?

01-04-2008, 10:59 PM
Spectra Precision,Laser Plane, and Trimble is the same just went from older to the new now Trimble. http://www.trimble.com/index.aspx

Apache has there own laser ,but is compatible to the above because they use the aboves recievers and control boxes for machine control. http://www.apache-laser.com/product/hawkeye.htm

Agl http://www.agl-lasers.com/ basicly all there own through the whole system.

Leica http://www.leica-geosystems.com/corporate/en/lgs_405.htm
Leica was Laser Alignment,which is what i have .Laser is LB 1 and LB 4 dual grade.

Like AWJ has guessing would be the newer brand called Rubey 100 or 400.

Best to check the sites posted.Personally i would buy off Ebay.Dirt cheap compared to new.

With GPS the laser is becoming less important to the big companys.Just us smaller companys are concerened about lasers.

Leica doesn't cares about making parts for lasers when they can sell 50 to 100k dollar GPS system that is what i'm finding out.

Trimble,Topcon and Apache would be my choices now since Laser Alignment sold out to Leica i wouldn't buy one of them.

The first three is still making thing compatible as far as machine control systems goes within there same brands.

I realize you just want a laser,but you never know when you might want to go to auto control system then find out your reciever won't work with the other stuff you already have then you have to start all over buying again.

Most lasers will work with each other recievers,it when you start adding the control box,hydraulic valve, and cables that you start having problems.Good luck:usflag:

RockSet N' Grade
01-05-2008, 01:13 AM
What Constructo says. I personally have invested in Apache. I bought an Apache 6 receiver for my trackhoe for trenching..........nice! And it bought it with my next implement purchase in mind also. Try and think ahead in this game....I think it is a key to survival and being cost effective.

01-05-2008, 01:37 AM
What Construct'O said. I am piecing together a comprehensive automated laser system. Commonality among components is key as Rock Set hinted at. Topcon and Apache seem to work very well together. I really like the durability of Apache products. It is waterproof, dirtproof and almost idiot proof.

01-05-2008, 05:35 AM
Apache is a good system for automated, my surveying teacher was talking to us about GPS systems and machine mounted lasers. He's not an operator, but he said most guys are running Apache systems on dozers, automatically adjusting systems that is. Maybe someone will correct me or can verify, but does Apache supply Cat's Accu-Grade recievers and control system? I thought maybe I read it somewhere, maybe someone knows. I'm sure Cat doesn't build those systems themselves.

01-05-2008, 10:47 AM
Link (http://www.stakemill.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=95_509_340_349&products_id=969&zenid=a25fffeff3df950adf184cc90fe5a920) Hey guys about this package? I don't do much heavy grading, mostly use these for paver installs, gutter drains and waterfalls. I did find an Spectra Precision Laser Level 1242 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330200939009&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014) but I'm 1 not sure I'd win the bid, and 2) hope it works... guys didn't leave a whole lot of info

01-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Me personally I would pass on CST. I would go with a leader in the industry. You might be overbuying for your needs but my oldest Topcon I bought in 1999. I have had it serviced but still holds perfect grade, autoleveling hard to beat. I believe in the "buy top of the line and buy once". You can buy the single plane Topcon with tripod, grade rod complete for about 1,700 dollars here. You might do better on the net. After you buy two of the lower tier lasers you could have had a top shelf model. Also if you want to upgrade they have resale value.

01-05-2008, 02:39 PM
For what you're doing I actually use a dewalt auto level laser.

It's worked out well and I can use the batteries with my tools also. For setting concrete forms for walkways and driveways. I also use it for home trenching.

Get larger and I'd want larger with control off the excavator.

I keep telling myself I don't need it in my Ex. But, I'm sure starting to swing that way instead of paying someone to hold a stick. LOL

I keep waiting so I'd just go GPS.

Once GPS get's cheap enough. Lasers are going useless. Set a point. Walk over and set another point. Tell you distance and change in elevation. Without anything else. How sweet is that.

01-05-2008, 02:45 PM
i used to have the dewalt and though i liked it, on bigger jobs that I'm all too often am involved with it didn't throw far enough, especially in the sun. i'm hoping the higher $ one do

01-05-2008, 03:00 PM
i used to have the dewalt and though i liked it, on bigger jobs that I'm all too often am involved with it didn't throw far enough, especially in the sun. i'm hoping the higher $ one do

Which dewalt? Mine is the 077kd int/ext.

Just wondering


Is the one We're using on landscaping.

01-05-2008, 03:06 PM
mine wasn't like that, i bought it about 4 years ago for $600 but I'm sure they've progressed... i'll look into this one, can it do slopes?

01-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Not that I know of.

But, with my guy's. It's better it can't. LOL...

For landscaping I have them use the receiver and they can tell on a pole what the difference is.

Turn on. Push button to start and level. And check levels with pole. Simple. If it had to have the slope set. I'd want to be there.

I still check slope before pours and before pipe laying or fill ins. And still use string and levels to check too.

An easy fix now. A not so easy fix later.

AWJ Services
01-05-2008, 07:20 PM
Me personally I would pass on CST.

They are very cheaply constructed.
My Laser dealer keeps one with the cover off to show the difference between those an dthe Leicas.
The CST are all plastic.

01-06-2008, 11:58 PM
got a spectra Precision Laser Level 1242 on ebay, thanks for the idea

01-07-2008, 03:56 AM
We have a Spectra, which is Trimble as I'm sure you know. Sprecta is a lower end Trimble line aimed at small contractors and their products have proved to be decent in my eyes.

01-07-2008, 08:06 AM
We have a Spectra, which is Trimble as I'm sure you know. Sprecta is a lower end Trimble line aimed at small contractors and their products have proved to be decent in my eyes.

thats me! i guess:dancing:

01-08-2008, 06:18 PM
For the price, I dont think you can beat a CST rotary laser package. We use spectra's and CST/Berger Lasers.

We have bucket mount detectors that we use with the CST Lasers for Grading and I haven't had any problems.

Here is a good package we recently bought for under $1000.00.