Super Z engine options? What's new?

[HenryB]

Any new engine options availabe for 08? Hint Kawasaki 31 or 37 hp!:rolleyes:

[mowerconsultant]

We have a few new engine options up our sleeves for spring...
I cant post about them yet, but when I have the ok to do so, I will.
I don't have models, pricing or availability yet.

[karol]

We have a few new engine options up our sleeves for spring...
I cant post about them yet, but when I have the ok to do so, I will.
I don't have models, pricing or availability yet.

Hope one of them is a diesel otherwise it's the Toro with 25hp kubota engine.

[mowerconsultant]

Hope one of them is a diesel otherwise it's the Toro with 25hp kubota engine.

I know they are working on one...
:dancing::angel:

[karol]

Tell them to hurry. Spring is around the corner.

[grass disaster]

I know they are working on one...
:dancing::angel:

please make it be a 25hp kubota diesel. available in the 54" deck and make it weigh less than 1200lbs.

[mowerconsultant]

Tell them to hurry. Spring is around the corner.

They are doing their best.
They know that everyone wants it ASAP.

[mowerconsultant]

please make it be a 25hp kubota diesel. available in the 54" deck and make it weigh less than 1200lbs.

Your close....
I will have details soon....
FYI.... this new diesel unit will be shown this week in Orlando at the golf show and in 2 weeks at the National Farm Machinery show....

[grass disaster]

Your close....
I will have details soon....
FYI.... this new diesel unit will be shown this week in Orlando at the golf show and in 2 weeks at the National Farm Machinery show....

getting warmer......let me guess it's going to be in the 1400 lbs range :(

[MOHUSTLER]

I saw some pictures of this mower from my rep that he took at the factory a few weeks ago. It looks awesome! Along with thier other new mowers. Check them out on the website.

[grass disaster]

Your close....
I will have details soon....
FYI.... this new diesel unit will be shown this week in Orlando at the golf show and in 2 weeks at the National Farm Machinery show....

now that they's ve been shown at the golf coarse lets get some details along with some pictures.

[DAR57]

I can only find diesels under the industrial line and I believe that is nothing new. Is there anything from the Orlando Show anyone can tell us?

[mowerconsultant]

now that they's ve been shown at the golf coarse lets get some details along with some pictures.

I cant post the info until my boss says so....
I will see what and when I can post it.
Soon....

[mowerconsultant]

I can only find diesels under the industrial line and I believe that is nothing new. Is there anything from the Orlando Show anyone can tell us?

The 4600 on our site is nothing new.

[mowerconsultant]

A little tease....
Hustler Z diesel.
25hp Shibaura 3 cylinder
54, 60, 66 and 72 side discharge decks.
60 and 72 rear discharge decks.
Mule belt drive deck.
Hydro Gear BDP -21 pumps
Hydro Gear axial piston wheel motors.
I don't have pricing or availability info right now.
No other specs at this moment, sorry.
This unit is very compact and believed to be the shortest mid mount diesel Z to be on the market.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/mowerconsultant/work/HustlerZDiesel.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/mowerconsultant/work/Shib-122107S--6202-Edit.jpg

[grass disaster]

i like it.

and the weight?

[Envy Lawn Service]

Very nice!

The frame length appears to be best suited to the larger decks.
Check your specs against the Grasshopper 322D and 428D and the Cub TANK diesel to see where you stack up in terms of being "short".

But again, very nice!
Congrats... you guys should be proud.

[Mickhippy]

Well, my eyes have lit up!

I see its mule drive deck, is the hydro belt under the engine like normal or at the rear?
How many CC's is the engine?
Weight?

More pics please mate! The rear of the engine and at least a side view!
Pretty please with sugar on top!

[Midstate Lawncare]

sweet!!!!!!!!!

[nick858]

Looks good. Hopefully they will be available before the season. We need something new this year, but will have to have it by the first of April.
The out front mowers on the golf part of the site look nice too.

[mowerconsultant]

Sorry guys, I don't have any more info on the Hustler Z diesel unit at this time.

[stevesmowing]

any more info now?

[mowerconsultant]

any more info now?

Hustler Z diesel to be available late April early May.
Otherwise I have more info, I just cant share it yet, sorry.

[Mickhippy]

Pj, dont post this if you like...

I hear that the engine is turned 90deg so the shaft goes across the frame, like East/West instead of normal North/South. This makes it (to me) not really a mule drive but theres a twist "instead" of a bend under the engine from rear like mule on other horizontal shaft set ups.
Is this true? (can actually see a wheel of some sort through the screen on the second pic) Does anyone else do that?

I also hear that the hydros arent on either side of the frame but instead next to each other. Is that true? If so, in your opinion, is the drive belt safer from sticks etc coming up from under the machine?

How many CC's and whats the torque of the engine?

Just trying to suck info out of you mate! lol

[mowerconsultant]

Pj, dont post this if you like...

I hear that the engine is turned 90deg so the shaft goes across the frame, like East/West instead of normal North/South. This makes it (to me) not really a mule drive but theres a twist "instead" of a bend under the engine from rear like mule on other horizontal shaft set ups.
Is this true? (can actually see a wheel of some sort through the screen on the second pic) Does anyone else do that?

I also hear that the hydros arent on either side of the frame but instead next to each other. Is that true? If so, in your opinion, is the drive belt safer from sticks etc coming up from under the machine?

How many CC's and whats the torque of the engine?

Just trying to suck info out of you mate! lol

It is still considered a mule drive, less of a bend = better belt life also, I dont think anyone else is doing it like we are.
The pumps are "tandem", bolted together, the drive belt is up in the engine compartment out of the ground area.
I dont have the engine details with me, I will post them up when I am back in my office.

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[Mickhippy]

Thanks Pj. Looks interesting thats for sure! Cant wait to see one in person!

[njones]

hustler is going to make a mower with shibaura i hear it giong to be the shibaura painted yellow with the hustler deck

[fastcutter]

what size motor (hp)?

[mowerconsultant]

hustler is going to make a mower with shibaura i hear it giong to be the shibaura painted yellow with the hustler deck

Many new mowers will be coming with Shibaura technology...

[mowerconsultant]

what size motor (hp)?

The new mid mount Hustler z diesel is going to be a 25hp unit.

[blackandgold]

PJ, any front mounts you would like to post here regarding Shibaura models would be greatly appreciated.

[mowerconsultant]

PJ, any front mounts you would like to post here regarding Shibaura models would be greatly appreciated.

Here is a link to the website with info onthe new front mount.

http://www.hustlergolf.com/products/hustler-35003700-out-front-rotary-mower/

A couple pics...

http://www.hustlergolf.com/img/products/3700/3700-main.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/mowerconsultant/work/NewHustlerfrontmount3.jpg

[grass disaster]

any more info on the mid mount models with the diesels?

[MOHUSTLER]

We just drove this mower at our Hustler service school. I was verry verry impressed with how quite the engine ran for a diesel. It drove with the same great Hustler smooth track steering. We are verry excited to get this mower at our shop. I won't be able to sell it before I get to play with it for a few hours :clapping:

[mowerconsultant]

any more info on the mid mount models with the diesels?

I will be posting full specs and pricing next Monday or Tuesday.

[Mickhippy]

Tell me your coming out with 30+hp, air cooled, EFI Super Z, OK!

[blackandgold]

MOHUSTLER

Welcome

You must be Mr Calwell. Tell Larry Lampe to get a lawnsite account :)

[nick858]

I see Hustler is listing a 31 hp Kawi on the website now. Havent heard of this one yet...

[mowerconsultant]

I see Hustler is listing a 31 hp Kawi on the website now. Havent heard of this one yet...

The 31 Kawasaki will be available on the Super Z soon...
We will also offer the 29 Kawasaki on the Hustler Z also..... soon...
Model #'s and details to follow tomorrow....

[Mickhippy]

Is that 31 kawi EFI AC?

[stevesmowing]

The 31 Kawasaki will be available on the Super Z soon...
We will also offer the 29 Kawasaki on the Hustler Z also..... soon...
Model #'s and details to follow tomorrow....

can't wait for the details!

[mowerconsultant]

Here are the new 31hp Kawasaki air cooled engine options, carburetor only, no EFI.

Super Z only.

Side discharge models

928879 SZ31KAW54XR7SSA MSRP $11,099
928887 SZ31KAW60XR7SSA MSRP $11,199
928895 SZ31KAW66XR7SSA MSRP $11,349
928911 SZ31KAW72XR7SSA MSRP $11,549

Rear discharge models

928929 SZ31KAW60RDSSA MSRP $11,549
928937 SZ31KAW72RDSSA MSRP $11,849

This engine option should be available in April.
Check with your dealer for your best price.

[mowerconsultant]

Hustler Z Diesel info...

The 60" is the only model I have info on right and it will be the first model available.

928614 HDZ773ISM60XR7SSA MSRP $15,299.00

Check with your dealer for your best price.

I have attached the pdf file along with linking it here (in case you cant read this clearly).

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[stevesmowing]

I'm surprised they cut the speed back to 12mph. 1,600 lbs isn't too bad for a 60" diesel. I've seen some that are a couple hundred lbs more.

[mowerconsultant]

I'm surprised they cut the speed back to 12mph. 1,600 lbs isn't too bad for a 60" diesel. I've seen some that are a couple hundred lbs more.

Its not a Super Z, it is a Hustler Z, so this unit never was cut back in speed.

[QCS]

PJ

Is that $11,349 for the 66/31 Kaw Super Z with a suspension seat. I was just going to order the 30/66, but I will wait if that is the case? Do you know how much difference in torque there is between the 30 Kohler and 31 Kaw? Also, when can I expect availability so that I can place my order. Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

QCS

[mowerconsultant]

PJ

Is that $11,349 for the 66/31 Kaw Super Z with a suspension seat. I was just going to order the 30/66, but I will wait if that is the case? Do you know how much difference in torque there is between the 30 Kohler and 31 Kaw? Also, when can I expect availability so that I can place my order. Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

QCS

Torque..
Kohler 30hp - PEAK TORQUE @ MAXIMUM lbs. ft. (Nm) 47.1 (63.8) @ 2600
Kawasaki 31hp - Not sure, I dont have the spec sheet here, I will get the info and post it tonight.

Availability...
We are going to start making them in April, I am sure they will be hard to come by the first month or so, get your order in with your dealer ASAP if you want to get one the quickest.

[mowerconsultant]

Torque..
Kohler 30hp - PEAK TORQUE @ MAXIMUM lbs. ft. (Nm) 47.1 (63.8) @ 2600
Kawasaki 31hp - Not sure, I dont have the spec sheet here, I will get the info and post it tonight.


29hp Kawasaki 53.2 ft. lbs. at 2200 rpm
31hp Kawasaki 54.3 ft.lbs at 2400 rpm

[Mickhippy]

If these engines run at what, 3600rpm or so, why isnt the torque value rated at that across the board? 2200, 2400 etc means nothing to me. I want to know what the torque is when the machine is in operation or full rev's!
This isnt directed at you PJ or Hustler, just an observation with all the manufacturers Ive seen.
I hear they are going to stop using Horse Power as the rating and going to use Torque or CC's. Unless there is a clear and easily understandable bench mark, how are we to know the real power of these engines?

That said, knowing the ratings on these new engines above, what are the ratings on the Kolher 28 EFI?

[Envy Lawn Service]

Pj,

Any idea why engine MFG's won't publish torque numbers for mower MFG's at the intended operation RPM? (3600-3800 RPM)

Knowing what the max torque point happens to be is of no use/value to us.
We don't cut grass at 2200, 2400 or 2600 RPM.

[mowerconsultant]

If these engines run at what, 3600rpm or so, why isnt the torque value rated at that across the board? 2200, 2400 etc means nothing to me. I want to know what the torque is when the machine is in operation or full rev's!
This isnt directed at you PJ or Hustler, just an observation with all the manufacturers Ive seen.
I hear they are going to stop using Horse Power as the rating and going to use Torque or CC's. Unless there is a clear and easily understandable bench mark, how are we to know the real power of these engines?

That said, knowing the ratings on these new engines above, what are the ratings on the Kolher 28 EFI?

I dont know the reasoning for the way they rate the engines the way they do, sorry, this would be a good question for the engine mfg.

The Kohler 28 EFI is rated as follows...
PEAK TORQUE @ MAXIMUM lbs. ft. (Nm) 44.8 (60.7) @ 2200
This is per the Kohler website.

Pj

[mowerconsultant]

Pj,

Any idea why engine MFG's won't publish torque numbers for mower MFG's at the intended operation RPM? (3600-3800 RPM)

I am not sure, this is something that would be a good email to Kohler or Kawasaki.
They used to show graphs of the torque and different rpm ranges and I know it drops off after 2500 or so...

Pj

[Imow4u2]

did I read that the diesel only makes a max of 49 ft. lbs.?? Looks like the 29 Kaw will be the one to own, the Torque numbers are impressive a very similar to the 31... Which will be harder on gas no doubt..

[tomo]

did I read that the diesel only makes a max of 49 ft. lbs.?? Looks like the 29 Kaw will be the one to own, the Torque numbers are impressive a very similar to the 31... Which will be harder on gas no doubt..

hello, comparison of torque and hp between makers
This is a mine field for the inexperienced
First are the engines are tested a little different all over the world
From memory there is at least three different standards
Then there are the methods net constant gross
Add the maketing spin
It takes some serious effort to compare torque and hp
Plus a peak number of say 49. If it is compareable to others the shape of the torque curve is more important .

A real life comparison ENGINE A ADVERTISED AT 22 HP

ENGINE B ADVERTISED AT 26.5 or 27 HP depending on country of release

After much research the torque/hp graph under the same testing conditions was
3 % DIFFERENT********** 3% DIFFERENT
From memory the actual horse power was 23- 23.5 hp

Only then could i compare it to the other engines [US based]
The decision was for the engine B as it had a high flat torque curve around the midrange . [good in demanding conditions ] The US based engine had approx 5% more top end but less mid range .
The capacity of the engine is a good indicator BUT this not always the case
Comparison of the engine makers dyno graphs is the only way [under same conditions ]

On a similar matter is crate engines for your hot rod by a world leading brand
5 million hp with the largest carby largest inlet manifold very large exhaust
This is a mid level performance street engine . In most cases runnig all of the above would not happen eg the hp falls and comes back to reality which is then similar to others makers .

Do not beleive every thing u read

tomo:waving: