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Central 1
01-23-2008, 10:41 PM
My Company uses alot of Mauget injection products. We were recently at a local trade show where Arborjet had a booth and were talking with the salespeople about the product. Outside of the huge outlay for the equipment it seemed like a great product. Until we were listening to one of the speakers at the short courses. Dr. Michael Raupp Had done studies of different Systemic products and methods of application for insecticides and Fungicides and was of the opinion through his research that the Arborjet system did not perform nearly as well as the Mauget system. I just wondered if any of you fine folks have used Arborjet and can give me any nonbiased info on it. Employees of Arborjet need not reply. Thanks, Jim B.

humble1
01-23-2008, 10:56 PM
My Company uses alot of Mauget injection products. We were recently at a local trade show where Arborjet had a booth and were talking with the salespeople about the product. Outside of the huge outlay for the equipment it seemed like a great product. Until we were listening to one of the speakers at the short courses. Dr. Michael Raupp Had done studies of different Systemic products and methods of application for insecticides and Fungicides and was of the opinion through his research that the Arborjet system did not perform nearly as well as the Mauget system. I just wondered if any of you fine folks have used Arborjet and can give me any nonbiased info on it. Employees of Arborjet need not reply. Thanks, Jim B.

I just called mauget today in CA, they gave me a name of a Company down in Ma I think it was Winchester, anyway they are having a training course in Mar. How easy is it to use, can you use different product ungicide/ insecticide at the same time, what about the price and time factor between the two?

Rayholio
01-23-2008, 11:10 PM
Very easy.. but it's in a totally different price class than lawn fert..

seems like mauget needed a capsule every couple inches around the trunk, and cost was like $3.50 per capsule.. I was having to charge A LOT, and thus didn't sell much. not to mention you have to go back to retrieve the trash.

psychodoe
01-24-2008, 12:46 AM
Im A Certified Arborist and have used both products as well as Tree Tech. I feel that each has its own use. With any systemic pesticide the pest have to invade the tree for it to work and most of the time pest are a secondary problem. They tend to pray on the weak which would tell one that there is another problem so will the tree be able to carry the product through it system. If you reacting to a problem instead of being proactive how long will it take for the product to start working through out the tree? If it will be weeks what damage is being done waiting and is there a more immediate method. Arborjet will cost you up front where Mauget and Tree Tech you can buy as you go. IMHO trunk injections do little if anything for the root system. You do have to retrieve your trash with the capsules and if your using restricted use stuff you cant leave the job site and uptake times can be slow. I attended Dr. Raupp IPM course a few years back and would have faith in what he has studied.

PHS
01-24-2008, 07:17 AM
Personally I don't inject trees unless there is no other reasonable alternative. I much prefer to do soil treatments or foliar sprays. Call me old school but I'd rather not drill a tree full of holes if it's not necessary. Quite honestly as more companies that don't have an IPM programs get into trunk injections it has actually increased my sales because if you have the equipment soil injection is far less expensive per treatment. And after customers have had their trees ventilated a few times I'm finding that more and more of them are jumping at the opportunity to do it in a less invasive way when it's offered to them.

If you reacting to a problem instead of being proactive how long will it take for the product to start working through out the tree? If it will be weeks what damage is being done waiting and is there a more immediate method.

Maybe, but what's preventing you from doing more than one treatment at a time?

shaneb
01-24-2008, 09:32 AM
Another option is ArborSystems, which has the "wedgle". Appears to be a little less intrusive on the tree and no return to retreive the capsuls.

GrazerZ
01-24-2008, 10:03 AM
I also prefer foliar apps. but have used acecaps when necessary. I have some customers who get either gypsy moth and others brown tail moth. many of the trees are right next to the water which means injection for me. I've had good result from them. the only problem is that I refuse to use them preventively and the customers usally wait till the tree it under alot of pressure before calling.

PHS
01-24-2008, 11:33 AM
Here are some pics from Wedgle damage.

Central 1
01-24-2008, 06:38 PM
We do also offer soil injections, and mauget. If you recall Dr.Shigo was the original person that studied bark wounding on trees, and worked directly with Mauget to develop their system. As far as charging people enough to wait around for the capsules to empty, we get $11.50 per capsule installed. We like taking care of our customers,but then we are not lawn jockies. We don't run to the next job, we service the customer. And ours like the fact that we can avoid blanketing their property and cars with pesticides.

PHS
01-24-2008, 09:01 PM
We like taking care of our customers,but then we are not lawn jockies.

Geez...4 posts and you're already calling people out

Here are the photos...

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Central 1
01-24-2008, 10:43 PM
Those are wounds from Wedgle system I take it. Too high on the trunk to be Mauget. Sorry to be "calling people out" but in my opening post I asked a very simple question and Surprisingly enough only one person could answer it without some kind of criticism.

Central 1
01-24-2008, 10:47 PM
Those wounds are from a Wedgle system I take it ? Way too high up on the trunk to be Mauget. Unless the person was not properly trained. I am sorry to be "calling people out" but when I posted this thread I asked a simple question and only one person answered it without some kind of criticism.

PHS
01-25-2008, 10:17 AM
Yes I mentioned it was Wedgle damage in the previous post and was in response to one of the other posters asking about it. The original photo I tried to upload was too big and didn't have time to fix it until later.

I offer trunk injection as a service too, I'm not opposed to it. For me it's just a tool that I use for tree care, not the only tool. If you're not one of those injection only operators then my criticism isn't directed at you.

Central 1
01-25-2008, 06:38 PM
No, We do soil injections, drenches, etc. We started out as a pest control company with 38 trucks so naturally we do alot of IPM. I know what constant injections can do to the health of a tree. I was just trying to find out if anyone has used the Arborjet system and get their feedback. Since then I have talked to several tree pros and professors of universities that have told me Arborjet uses 2-3 times the label rate in their studies to get publishable results.So I will stick with the tried and true Mauget for now Thanks, Jim

treegal1
01-28-2008, 07:59 PM
mauget is ok if you just shoot one tree,and you have lots of time to waste, Arborjet is a system for use by real professionals we can inject 100 trees a day with ease.
soil drench should be outlawed because of the environmental concerns.and after 4 years of using arborjet our trees dont have holes drilled all over and the wound site does cover over better than mauget. if you want to save trees, get a good job, save some money,and get a real tool, ARBORJET

Rayholio
01-28-2008, 09:02 PM
LOL There's the arborjet sales rep.. Hehehe

Central 1
01-28-2008, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the info "treegal" I never knew a post could cause so much controversy. We in the north have a whole different species of trees not to mention soil conditions etc.Did I mention different pests also. One of which is called EAB or Emerald Ash Borer. The best treatments prescribed to treat them (1) if infested Mauget or other forms of injected Imidicloprid products. (2) if preventative soil drench with said product. The university studies done with Arborjet were at 3 times the label rate. I think in Ohio that is illegal, I might be wrong.That's what they are not telling you. Injections done year after year are very bad for trees. Soil drench with a systemic like Merit is a good alternative to injecting. Yes drenching the soil is not the greatest thing for the environment, but if you had an entire yard full of ash trees you wanted to save I think you would investigate your options. That is just one of the ways our climate, insects, etc differ from yours. I used to be closed minded also, but I changed. I have a very good friend I can steer you too if you need more advice on this, he is currently the president of the International Arborists Association lauren Lanphear. His company has used "closed injection" Systems for years specifically Mauget. Let me ask you this, your concerned about the environment ? Why would you want to handle open pesticides and measure and pour them into those bottles ? We, My company tries to buy as many water soluable packet formulations and other formulations that limit operator exposure as possible. Relax, and have a pint. Try to loosen up a little. It's great that you are a professional, we could use more of you.

treegal1
01-28-2008, 11:06 PM
no not a sales rep, just a serious arborist with a thriving business,e mail me and i will send pictures laurastree@bellsouth.net. this is serious business "TREE INJECTIONS" we have used all the equip. out there mauget is to slow, treesavers is to slow and not consistent,
arborsys is a low dose and a lot of holes and does not work on palms!!! yes palms, otc , imida.,nutrition,etc. arborjet has always worked out better, on over 40,000 trees. And i swear the scaring is minimal because the bark is not separated like other systems. a small hole is better than a dead tree???also re check those rates and a 3 year residual with imajet is going to use far less than a soil drench.. even at three times the label? if theres a better way to treat 140 inch dbh trees please let me know
i will fly you down so you can show me the way, also our water table is 3 feet google earth 34994 and tell me where we can soil drench

americanlawn
01-29-2008, 06:57 PM
In the picture, I see leakage. IMO the injections are also too high & far apart.