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tlg675
10-29-2001, 06:03 PM
i have an echo 2100. i bought it for a growning business. it seems to work out okay, and i love it, but the thing is that the bump feed stopped working one week or so after i bought it,how do i fix that??

also, after i manually set the line back out, sometimes line will leave trimmer head(all of it) or top of head will fall off when i am using it.
How do I go about fixing this, should i have someone look at it or should I get a better one(head) ??


thanks

wallzwallz
10-29-2001, 06:29 PM
When you put head back on, are you twisting+ locking the little button on head? Do you still have spring under head?

Evan528
10-29-2001, 06:33 PM
I have had nothing but trouble from echo Heads...your best bet is to buy a Veri head for the trimmer! I now use redmax trimmers so i dont have to worry about it any more! ;)

Ssouth
10-29-2001, 06:40 PM
I have three Echo 2601's (260's). I have removed the stock heads and replaced with the Sthil heads (25-2) and haven't looked back since. The Sthil heads are a little more difficult to load but much easier to use in general. All you need is an adapter nut which is available from Sthil.
Good luck on your quest for the perfect trimmer head.

Ssouth

bubble boy
10-29-2001, 06:45 PM
ive never used a bump. i'm not familiar with the trimmer you have, but maybe try a manual feed. less to go wrong.

1grnlwn
10-29-2001, 07:02 PM
If you are locking the spool in correctly, you may have the wrong rotation spool, there are ccw and cw . The new Veris I just bought have a combination spool.(exactly the same design as Echo) Also check for dirt or debris in the head this can make them sticky. Where is your dealer?

Dochere
10-29-2001, 07:38 PM
Get rid of that echo head and go to a stihl head, you'll like it better. There are also other replacement heads out there, and allot are innerchangeable with one another. Try until you find something you like.

mdb landscaping
10-29-2001, 08:25 PM
Tlg, i know why your head is falling off. echo puts two arrows for some reason to tell you which way to wind the the string. you are winding it the opposite way. it causes the head to pop off like you were saying. i found this out the first time i had to reload my echo, and the dealer circled the correct arrow to use. just take your string off and wind it the opposite way.

leaflawnandlimb
10-29-2001, 08:46 PM
You need to follow the arrows marked "CC" when rewinding and also keep both lines side by side and you won't have any problems with the echo brand heads.

Scag48
10-29-2001, 11:52 PM
I agree, the Stihl heads are the best out there that I've tried so far. I've used a couple Stihls with the automatic heads. I really wish I had one. I could buy one, but I'm gonna buy a new trimmer not to long from now so I'll just wait. Go for the Stihl heads, they work great!

hubb
10-30-2001, 12:11 PM
Under the spool there's a nut that sometimes comes loose. You should've gotten a wrench with it. One side is for the spark plug of course, the other is for that nut under the spool. When mine came loose, it caused the exact problem that your describing. It causes you to be unable to lock the spool down properly. That in turn makes the spool pop off. Hope this helps.

LAWNGODFATHER
10-30-2001, 12:36 PM
You are winding your head wrong. Check your owners manual.

LGF:blob1:

dlandscaping
10-30-2001, 06:25 PM
my head on my trimmer kept fallin off (echo 2601) the nut inside the head came lose. the dealer used locktight on it and it has worked since. also by winding the string the wrong way like i did, u can losen the head and cause the entire head to fall off. tighten the nut down and get some lock tight, wrap the string the way in manual cant remember if its cc or not and u should b fine.

jdwilliams1
10-30-2001, 07:12 PM
it's all in the way you wind the string, there should be a hole knocked out for Right or Left on the bump pad. which ever one is knocked out string it that way. By the way, echo string trimmers are some of the best, no arguements with redmax or stihl, but I personally have never had a problem w/ echo.

One other thing tanaka makes an excellent elec start trimmer

dmk395
10-30-2001, 08:07 PM
When bumping the head, don't smash it off the pavement, tap on the grass or mulch and it will last longer.

hustlers
10-30-2001, 09:52 PM
i tried a tanake with a auto
head called the brain and it was
the best trimmer ever
auto advance and it just floated for perfect trimming

mklawnman
10-30-2001, 10:21 PM
I have had some of the same problems you guys are talking about on my Echo trimmer. After 5min of wrapping the string perfectly around the head of the trimmer, and get it all back on the trimmer and get it started, the head either falls off or the string just doesnt come out after tapping it on the ground. ticks me off when i have to turn it off again take the head off and restring the thing. The advise u guys have given will be put to some use for me and ill try all the ideas. Also i have had a problem with starting my trimmer all tthe time from a cold start. It takes like alot of pulls to get it started, though im in the reformulated gas country up here so dont know if that has something to do with it.
Great advice guys
Matt

1grnlwn
10-30-2001, 11:30 PM
Matt is your Echo new? The new ones start hard in the cold. My dealer says its because of the CARB regulations. Can't California be satisfied with just ruining there own state (no electricity)?

TLS
10-30-2001, 11:58 PM
HMMM....I've been using Echo string trimmers since the early 90's and have only replaced the part that strikes the ground when you tap it. The Echo head is simple, easy to wind, and for me, holds up very well. If there is any complaint by me, it would be that it advances the line too easily. One slip up/drop and the head advances line. No real problem as I retain the OEM shield with the cutoff knife reversed for 2" more line length, and it simply cuts it off and I'm O.K.! It has NEVER fell apart, never gummed or welded up, or otherwise dissapointed me. Just tap and go. Every couple 4 years, replace the worn out bump head.

I previously (the 80's) had Green Machine trimmers and kinda liked their head design, but the head was huge (lots of line capacity) and didn't offer a cutoff knife on the shield.

I think it comes down to what you are used to, and what your are properly trained on how to use/load.

tlg675
10-31-2001, 08:28 AM
i have been twisting it all the way on. I was looking at veri heads, are they any good or should I get a stihl head?? i personally dont like mine.is there a wrong way to put in sting??
this problem is also annoying when i edge( dont have a good enough edger yet, so i use my trimmmer) it falls of alot


thanks mike

mklawnman
10-31-2001, 11:47 AM
Hey 1grnlwn
I have a new Echo Trimmer bought it this past spring at home depot. So i bet it has something to do with those CARB regulations this year, i see your in Central Illinois and im guessing you have reformulated gas too. Ive heard that the reformulated gas eats away at the two cycle motors. We had a Homelite Trimmer before this and it was only three years old and found out that the rubber tubing in the gas tank going to the carb was all eaten away, dealer told us that its the reformulated gas that eats away at that stuff. Though im not totally sure on that. We have also had problems of carb's gumming up alot more when the two cycle engines sit for a long time. Hate reformulated gas.
Matt

dlandscaping
10-31-2001, 04:22 PM
i am sick of my echo trimmer. it was my first commercial trimmer and it is the pro attachment series. the hole setup with hedge trimmer and edger and trimmer was about 700 or so, so it was a big investment. i had so much trouble with the string and head last year i never used it much. this year out of 26 or so mowings i have used it 8 days thats all. the gas leaks out the air reserve or something, the head doesnt fit right. today it took 15 pulls to start it all primed and it hasnt been sitting. then i pulled trigger, had to wait about 5 min for it to warm up enough to pull the trigger. then i tapped the head to get more string. 1 side came out the other jammed and it jammed with the head a lil in (its supposed to bounce back) it didnt. i just had the echo ppl at my exmark place fix the head and they said it was fine and wound it themselves. it aint i was so madd i threw it at the trailer and its staying out the i dont give a damm. ill get a reliable trimmer soon. i cant stand the fact how i invested almost 12 grand in equipment and i do maitnence and baby it and the stuff just dont work right. my walkbehinds both had problems, the trimmers, the old and new stihl blowers, kawaski trimmer wouldnt start (same head problem as echo as well) stihl hedge trimmer not starting. toro 21 many problems, worn out bbc, oil dipstick exploded and got me covered with oil and the dipstick got bent. the honda 21 dont run every day. i needed to vent so here u go.

TLS
10-31-2001, 04:28 PM
Boy, I thought I had bad luck! :(

You are starting a pattern here, you cant have bad luck with everything.... Something you are doing is contributing to these problems. Step back, take a deep breath, and .....throw it at the trailer AGAIN!

Martino
10-31-2001, 05:43 PM
It sure sounds like there are a bunch of lawn care folks who don't know how to wind a trimmer head! I personally do not like the head that comes standard on the Echo straight shafts (A larger version of their curve shaft head would be much better....only the knob wears from contact, not the entire spool), but it is really not that difficult to reload properly...and I have been reading post after post by people who do not know how to do this simple task. Of course, it is always the fault of the mfg. when user does it improperly and failures occur.

Here's a thought....read the doggone owner's manual.

Tony
10-31-2001, 07:28 PM
Heads ,Heads, Heads, Some are hard to load while some are easy. Tommy at TLS, they make a head just like the old Green Machine head that you liked in a 4" and a 6" version. They are made by an old employee that worked for the Green Machine company ( I was told ). They are the easiest to load and it doesn't even matter which way you wind it, it still feeds. They are available from any Silver Streak dealer ( dealers that sell Gator blades) and this year they call it a gator head. Martino, Universal Products the company that makes heads for Echo, and Veri also makes a large head like your talking about that is made just like the small ones.

Tony

1grnlwn
11-01-2001, 10:22 AM
Matt,

I try not to use Ethylnol fuels in my 2 cycle equip. For that reason. My mechanic says its not good for my truck either. Alcohol and plastics are not always compatible. And more and more fuel systems are made with plastics. Our great goveror (see Illinios license for bribe scandal) wants to make Gasohol mandatory for the whole state. And the big corps. that build equip arent going to change there designs for a couple of corn states.:eek:

1grnlwn
11-01-2001, 10:39 AM
Oh back to the thread. All trimer heads are a pain. If they are easy to load they don,t hold enough. If they hold a lot they have three or four parts to loose. They are too sensitive, they are not sensitive enough. The echo trimmer head will work if you wind it right. (it does take skill to do this). The small Veri head (25ft cap) is the same as echo head. The large Veri head (40 ft cap) has eyelets that come out and a spring to deal with and mine got quite erratic when it got a few miles on it. I had lots of problems with my echo pro attachment series. Kept telling dealer it wouldn't run under load and started terrible. They said all the new ones run like that and it would run better when it was hot outside. Of coures I said that was unaccectable. Long story short they finaly went to change carb and found a gasket with a small orifice across the intake that was not suppose to be there. It now runs fine except that it does take about 30 sec. to warm up when cold. Dam them californians.:angry:

LAWNGODFATHER
11-01-2001, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Tony
Heads ,Heads, Heads, Some are hard to load while some are easy. Tommy at TLS, they make a head just like the old Green Machine head that you liked in a 4" and a 6" version. They are made by an old employee that worked for the Green Machine company ( I was told ). They are the easiest to load and it doesn't even matter which way you wind it, it still feeds. They are available from any Silver Streak dealer ( dealers that sell Gator blades) and this year they call it a gator head. Martino, Universal Products the company that makes heads for Echo, and Veri also makes a large head like your talking about that is made just like the small ones.

Tony

It's called Red Max, They were at one time Green Machine.