Pic of repair I need help with.

[Armadillolawncare]

I need help with this please. I believe that I can repair this but want to run it by you pros first. You were very helpful when I had to do my first pipe crack and you walked me thru using a slip fix to repair the leak. This time the pipe is cracked right where it enters the valve. There is not enough pipe , actually there is no pipe left between the crack and the valve. If you look at the picture the crack is on the left side in the glue right next to the valve. What I believe I need to do is cut out the valve, then glue a new valve onto one side of the existing pipe. Then on the other side glue in about a 1 foot piece of pipe then use a slip fix to connect the 1 foot pipe to the existing pipe. I believe I need to replace the valve because I have no way to remove the broken pipe that is glued into it. Does this sound right?

[Wet_Boots]

Sounds about right.

[Dirty Water]

The kicker is if the valve is butted up to a tee.

If it is, then you need to replace the tee and its a bit of a pain.

Instead of using a slipfix, I'd use 4 elbows to lower the valve, the reason it broke is because the solenoid is sitting too high and/or the valvebox is resting on the pipe.

[hoskm01]

Agreed valve needs to be lower if it sits as high as it looks like it does.

Too bad there are no adapters on that valve, then no need to replace. If the pipe is cracked where it is gloed into the valve, then it must be replaced. Finished pics required...

[eagle irrigation]

YES The valve is too high you must lower it or it willbreak again. You can see where the valve box lid is squashing the solenoid wire every time the mower goes over it. Redo the tee, leave room for future replacement, and use a 10" round valve box.

[Evomr]

turn the water off at backflow or closest shut off... Dig it up pull box out cut the pipe that comes out of the ground from the main, put 90 slipxthreaded thread valve on with teflon tape make sure the top of the solenoid is 2inch lower then where the valvebox cover sits incase off settling. then use threadedxslip coupler for other side might need to cut lateral pipe to add few inch to make up for cut pipe.

so cut main at desired height add 90 then nipple then valve then nipple then threaded by slip coupler then off to lateral line..
if that makes sence lol

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Don't replace with the same valve. That valve is a piece of junk. Upgrade to a valve with a flow control.

[londonrain]

Don't replace with the same valve. That valve is a piece of junk. Upgrade to a valve with a flow control.We no longer use the Hunter flow control PGV..We found that the flow control knob dislodges out of the top of the bonnet.

[Evomr]

no point in flow control when you usually need 100% of pressure anyway.. If anything i would replace that solenoid on that valve and leave the same valve in.. make sure its clean and no debris in the pipe your cutting or valve

[Dirty Water]

no point in flow control when you usually need 100% of pressure anyway.. If anything i would replace that solenoid on that valve and leave the same valve in.. make sure its clean and no debris in the pipe your cutting or valve

You do see the break that is directly at the glued joint in that picture right?

That valve is toast.

[Evomr]

You do see the break that is directly at the glued joint in that picture right?

That valve is toast.

:D missed that one!! good call.. :cool2:

[Armadillolawncare]

Good eyes on the height of the solenoid. That is exactly right, it sits about a half inch to high. Could'nt I just dig the hole a bit deeper and when I put the new valve back in it should sit lower? Is this correct?

[Dirty Water]

Good eyes on the height of the solenoid. That is exactly right, it sits about a half inch to high. Could'nt I just dig the hole a bit deeper and when I put the new valve back in it should sit lower? Is this correct?

No, it will sit exactly where the old pipe comes in.

You need to dig deeper and elbow down.

[Armadillolawncare]

If I start adding 90 degree turns how much of a negative effect will that have on water pressure and flow?

[Dirty Water]

If I start adding 90 degree turns how much of a negative effect will that have on water pressure and flow?

Less than the valve itself has on the flow.

[Armadillolawncare]

Hey thanks that illustration really helps.

[Evomr]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3765/picet8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


what I would do.. just me

sXt = slip by threaded couplers and 90's

[Dirty Water]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3765/picet8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


what I would do.. just me

sXt = slip by threaded couplers and 90's

Your assuming that the main is deeper.

Trust me, its not.

[Evomr]

I dont see why it wouldnt be, ive never seen a mainline at same lvl like how its repaired in your way.. but here in colorado commercial and residents main line is deeper then its T'ed up with a riser then 90's to valve... It looks like in the picture it 90's down to go into the ground.... but i guess it could be one of both ways

[Dirty Water]

I dont see why it wouldnt be, ive never seen a mainline at same lvl like how its repaired in your way.. but here in colorado commercial and residents main line is deeper then its T'ed up with a riser then 90's to valve... It looks like in the picture it 90's down to go into the ground.... but i guess it could be one of both ways

In Texas, it won't be.

If the mainline was deeper, then the valve itself would have been set properly. When you see a valve like that, its because someone didn't want to trench deeper.

[Armadillolawncare]

I think this installer did a half A** job and they could never get ahold of him after he got paid.

[Evomr]

yeah that or the box settled : / either way dig it up fix it :D get paid!

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

yeah that or the box settled : / either way dig it up fix it :D get paid!

Welcome to the site. Don't be a stranger we need fresh material here. Several old farts myself included that get full of themselves but just be sarcastic and move on.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

YES The valve is too high you must lower it or it willbreak again. You can see where the valve box lid is squashing the solenoid wire every time the mower goes over it. Redo the tee, leave room for future replacement, and use a 10" round valve box.

Ditto to you as well. Keep posting.

[DanaMac]

No no no. No need to lower valve. Just turn it an extra 90 degrees so the solenoid is to the side!!!!!!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

J/K BTW

[Tadams]

I think this installer did a half A** job and they could never get ahold of him after he got paid.

Looks more like quarter A@% to me, not even half A$%!

[Kiril]

In Texas, it won't be.

If the mainline was deeper, then the valve itself would have been set properly. When you see a valve like that, its because someone didn't want to trench deeper.

Agreed. Plus it is not an angle valve.

[Hank Reardon]

Welcome to the site. Don't be a stranger we need fresh material here. Several old farts myself included that get full of themselves but just be sarcastic and move on.

You mean like suggesting to replace it with a PVC ball valve and call it good? Think of the electricity he could save the customer!

[Lawnworks]

Hey instead of digging it deeper you could just turn the valve sideways! No just kidding!!! I have seen it done though where they put the system in w/ a stick edger... well seems like that is what they use anyway. I think Dirty is right about using elbows on this one, just make sure you get it the right length and there isn't too much pressure on the elbows or it might blow off. I like quick fixes... haven't had any trouble out of them so far if I install them correctly.

[jerryrwm]

Add 12' - 18" soil around the valve box and make it a bermed perrenial bed...

[Armadillolawncare]

Perrenial bed, I like that.

[Kiril]

Or you could do this and put one of those fake rocks over it. ;)

[Ferti-man]

Or you could do this and put one of those fake rocks over it. ;)

Thats thinking outside the box! :dancing:

[koster_irrigation]

"A classic case of valve box crushing a pipe, Open and Closed case johnson"