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Evan528
10-31-2001, 05:26 PM
Check out this Pile of leaves from a cleanup we did today. This massive pile of leaves came from a 1/2 acre property:eek: . This is my first year maintaining this property and new I was in for a large job...But geez! What do you mulchers do when you have an account with this many leaves? There would be so much mulch dust it would raise the grade of the yard 2 inches ;) You cant tell on the picture but this pile is about 10ft wide!

stslawncare
10-31-2001, 05:35 PM
not seeing the picture evan

Guido
10-31-2001, 05:39 PM
and talking about you getting a work truck.......

This is why I told you you should get a dump. You can spend $2K and have a nice box built on the back and a new leaf loader that will mulch that pileup in a fraction of the time its going to take you with a tarp.

Another idea is to mulch the leaves in place first, and then collec them so it takes up less space.

Evan528
10-31-2001, 05:45 PM
and again ;) .......file was to big

Evan528
10-31-2001, 05:48 PM
Guido, 90% of the leaves came from the back yard....I wouldnt be able to get a truck back there....second I dont need to load them into a truck because the township collects them with a giant loader every 2 weeks!

gogetter
10-31-2001, 06:00 PM
Evan, did you just use blowers to get them to the curb? Man that's alot of leaves!
So....what did you end up doing with them?

gogetter
10-31-2001, 06:01 PM
Oops, you answered my question before I could ask. Damn, I'm a slow typer!

stslawncare
10-31-2001, 07:05 PM
can u say, got leaves?

casey
10-31-2001, 07:21 PM
Is that a weekly contract? Our piles get that big after about 3 weeks of tarping & hauling & front blowing.

LAWNGODFATHER
10-31-2001, 08:12 PM
MAN, I love sucking up piles that size. I think I could curb side vac that pile in 9 minutes.

BTW Evan if you had a Peco Vac on your ZTR, you wouldn't have to tarp out the leaves anymore, and you piles would be compressed to about a 10-1 ratio.

Happy leaf removing.:cool:

HAPPY HALLOWEEN:blob2:

LGF:blob1:

SCAPEASAURUSREX
10-31-2001, 08:22 PM
Holy Leaves Batman !

mowerconsultant
10-31-2001, 08:37 PM
DUDE..................Wheres my truck ??? and trailer ???

Did you tell the employees to put the leaves in the truck or cover the truck ?????

:D :blob4: :D

Evan528
10-31-2001, 08:42 PM
A peco vac on My Ztr would reduce the amount of leaves but would not eliminate the need to blow the entire lawn. Most of my accounts have tons of Oak trees wich means there are egg corns galore......Mowers dont have that much suction to pick up egg corns!

Shady Brook
10-31-2001, 08:42 PM
Man!

Evan you should charge them a penny a leaf! How long did it take you any how, and how many guys?

Jay

eggy
10-31-2001, 09:15 PM
Ughhh something tells me you probably didnt make any money on that visit.....

Evan528
10-31-2001, 09:44 PM
No, actually I did just fine. I have done enough fall cleanups over the years to judge a job pretty dam good. I also went extra high on the price this time......The last landscaper quit because of the leaves in the fall.......Not fun pulling 18 tarp loads of leaves through a 36 inch gate! :o

dlandscaping
10-31-2001, 10:13 PM
i thought with doubles on the toro and mulching then bagging i wouldnt have to start fall cleanups so early(no wonder all other companies have trac vacs and dumps with leaf loaders). i did this small lawn today. it has been exactly 1 week since it was mowed last and all the beds and bushes were blown out and the gutter cleaned. also the city swept this street for an unknown reason yesterday and look at how many leaves. i cant mulch the front becuase the lawn is thin due to a large tree over most of it. the back i tried but it was too much so here is a pic of most of the leaves from the yard. small yard too not a 1/2 acre more like a 1/6 or less acre.

dlandscaping
10-31-2001, 10:14 PM
heres the lawn sorry forgot to put it in.

dlandscaping
10-31-2001, 10:16 PM
im just learnin pics sorry about it. heres the back it looks bigger then it is, from where i took the pic to the shed is about 50 feet.

lawnboy82
10-31-2001, 10:25 PM
Egg corns, or acorns? I always thought it was acorns Evan. :o

65hoss
10-31-2001, 11:35 PM
Actually it looks like fun to me. I love leaf season now. I sure didn't with the bagger on a w/b.

GreenQuest Lawn
10-31-2001, 11:44 PM
Thats one nice looking pile of leaves.

Did you run and JUMP into it?

I feel your pain Evan, I have about 18 more days of fall cleanups and am ready to pack it in already.

HOMER
11-01-2001, 12:48 AM
This may sound stupid......................do all the leaves up north fall at one time?

We mulch and collect leaves from now til February cause they fall a little at a time...........oaks especially.

Todd, how can you figure 18 days?

No matter how many leaves are in a yard they're gonna get mulched first then run over with the Trac-Vac.............I ain't pullin' no tarp! I've done clean-ups before in March on yards that have sat all winter.............they got run over with the lawnmower........................I ain't rakin' cause I ain't no yard boy!

P.S. That was a big azz pile of leaves!:cry:

Runner
11-01-2001, 01:06 AM
No, we have leaves that start to fall in September, and some don't fall until after december comes around.

awm
11-01-2001, 04:31 AM
sounds like job security to me.

Grapevine
11-01-2001, 05:38 AM
We blow out the beds, suck em up with Walkers, enclose the truck and suck em up with the truck loader, and we're off to the next adventure. Alot of properties have places to dump and alot don't. We do a bunch of condos and grinding up leaves is not an option, and I don't feel like mowing a lawn 3 or 4 times to mulch the leaves. Walkers, blowers, truck vac. In this area the leaves fall hard and fast and mulching is not the option I choose to take in the fall.
And about that huge pile of leaves, hopefully they don't all blow into the customers or the neighbors yard while your waiting for the town truck to come by once every 2 weeks... no thanks.

MOW ED
11-01-2001, 06:55 AM
Homer,
Not a stupid question at all.

Some trees drop within a week, in my case the ash and locust drop fast. The red maples hang on until a few hard freeze nights get them to snap. The silver maple(overgrown week in the class with weeping willow) are one of the last to go. The oaks eventually brown out but most of the leafs stay in the tree until spring.
There was one day about 10 years ago when a maple was full leafed out in the morning and when I came home it was almost all down, there were about a foot of leafs in a 40 foot circle. I think I have a pic somewhere but i'LL have to dig.

Eric ELM
11-01-2001, 08:20 AM
Last week was when they dropped big time here, this week wasn't quite as bad. Next week will be much easier.

Last year I would guess 75% dropped in one week and we had a big mess. This was the biggest leaf drop in one week I had ever seen, but we were able to mulch them. ;)

SCAPEASAURUSREX
11-01-2001, 08:48 AM
Out here they start dropping slowly in late September( a few here and there nothing exicitng ) and then come late October , BAM they start dropping continuasly for three weeks or so.. On 1/2 acre prop .. you start cleaning up and by the time you are done, the starting point is completly covered again.. Frustrating.. Around here a Walker is the only way to go .. But you still need to do some tarping too. Sometimes its just too thick !

mklawnman
11-01-2001, 12:14 PM
This is my first year doing spring and fall cleanups and man i have to say fall cleanups suck. Just filled a 12ft trailer in less than 30min all full of leaves. Cant dump them there so i have to haul them across town to my place. Though next year im gonna get a bagger for my turf tiger so im hoping that will cut down on my time raking the leaves and space on the trailer. Most of the leaves here fell last week when we had two straight days of 30+ mph winds, most of them have disapeared but some remain in corners. Want to get a vac next year too, not a truck one but like a smaller one.
That was one heck of a pile of leaves, u use your Toro to blow the leaves to the road too?? I've run my Turf Tiger threw some thick piles of leaves wow sucks the power right down, gotta take it slow.
Matt

thelawnguy
11-01-2001, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by MOW ED
There was one day about 10 years ago when a maple was full leafed out in the morning and when I came home it was almost all down, there were about a foot of leafs in a 40 foot circle. I think I have a pic somewhere but i'LL have to dig.

Sounds like a Norway maple, they seem to fall all at once, and the same day each year, late in the season, at least from my experience.

Evan528
11-01-2001, 05:40 PM
Matt, I used my little wander push blower to blow the leaves from the front lawn into the street....thats faster than anything! Besides...I dont like to use the mower back and forth because it leaves the small chopped up leaves....When I leave, I like it to look immaculate. Even if its only for an hour or so ;)

PS. The Toro in the picture was used to cut the lawn following the cleanup in case you were wandering.

K9LWT
11-01-2001, 05:57 PM
Evan,

How do you like the Little Wonder, and what size engine did you get? I just bought a 10hp briggs on the little wonder, and can't wait to use it.

brandy
11-01-2001, 06:17 PM
Looks like two hours worth of work. Just by looking at the pile!!!!!!!!

Runner
11-01-2001, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by mklawnman
This is my first year doing spring and fall cleanups and man i have to say fall cleanups suck. Just filled a 12ft trailer in less than 30min all full of leaves. Cant dump them there so i have to haul them across town to my place. Though next year im gonna get a bagger for my turf tiger so im hoping that will cut down on my time raking the leaves and space on the trailer.
Matt

If you're filling up a 12 ft. trailer in 30 minutes or less, then you're not doing something right. First of all, all you bhould be loading into it is leaf dust. 5 ft. high of leaves is really 5" high when it's chopped up. If you have a ztr, pile them up by the road, and back ocer them a few times. It doesn't matter if they spread out a bit, you stil have them in a reasonably contained area. How do you move them? Did you say you are raking? Use your mower(s) to put them into rows, if nothing else, then just pull the tarp along the row, picking them up. Ha! I remember when I first started out, we used to pick all the leaves up first, before we cut, then mow. Once we got them on the truck, we spent (wasted aLOT of time walking them down to get more on the truck. Yes, we could get alot on the truck, as we could walk 3 ft. down to 6 inches, but it's NOTHING like you acn do with mowed or better yet ground up leaves. Boy, as I think in hindsite, all the time we spent doing our goofy "marching" on the truck. If only I knew then what I learned several years later.

Randy
11-01-2001, 06:21 PM
I just love leaf removal. Makes me thankful for blowers & vacs. Got leaves.:p

Green Care
11-01-2001, 07:24 PM
Hey How long did that take . What a pile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lawrence stone
11-01-2001, 08:23 PM
From my point of view you don't have the proper equipment to do a proper job.

Using a 62" sofa bed on a property that size is just not proper utilization of equipment.

I could have just double cut that at property and got the same results without having to move any of those leaves.

The front would have been done with a 52" Toro WB and the back with a 32" walkbehind.

Here is a pic of my 32" walkbehind. I have installed a 12.5 OHV engine that revs big time with a set of double blades. Two passes in the back and the leaves are dust. After a good rain nothing will be left on top of the canopy of the turf.

Chuck Sinclair
11-01-2001, 08:29 PM
Stone,

You need to put down the bottle and join the real world.

There is no way you could do it that way.

MIDSOUTH
11-01-2001, 08:44 PM
I would have to agree with stone on the mulching, However I would use a 61" in the front to mulch and then run a 60" ultravac over to pickup the tidbits left and use the 34" to mulch the back and if many tidbits were left strap the bag on the 34" and pickup the rest. That pile wouldn't even fill up a bag if it was done right and the majority was mulched into dirt and what left is collected.

Evan528
11-01-2001, 09:02 PM
Stone, I garentee you, you couldnt mulch those leaves!!! Just from blowing out all the perimiter beds in the back yard i had 2-3 ft of leaves around the perimiter of the back yard. My guess is that you would need to go over this lawn about 8 times with double blades to mulch those leaves to an eceptable size....and even that would be useless because it wouldnt mulch the acorns and sticks everywhere! Btw, why is that the wrong mower for the yard? If it fits...I use it!

Runner
11-01-2001, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Lawnzzz
Hey How long did that take . What a pile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What picture are you refering to? What post is it in?

mklawnman
11-01-2001, 09:10 PM
Hey Runner
Well ok i wasnt doing things the best way. I was by myself this morning and yeah i know about the tarping i have done that but with one person its a bit tough. but anyhow alot of the leaves were in the beds so i raked and blew them out to the grass then raked them to a pile and raked them into the trailer. Ok not that productive nor efficent but im in the learning stages, only 18. Yeah i agree with the ZTR on blowing them to a road to clean them up but i just really never thought about it. the other sucky thing is that today had to be a windy day, what joke trying to rake the leaves up into the trailer blew everywhere. Well im learning i know next year ill be doing it differently, u've been in the business for sometime,
im a rookie:D
Matt

lawrence stone
11-01-2001, 09:14 PM
Evan you made the mistake of doing too much at one time. You should have let the beds go until the next visit.

How may days ago did you mow that property?

You have to get to these jobs right after the big leaf drop. You can't let them build up to a point of the job you posted.

thelawnguy
11-01-2001, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by sinclac
Stone,

You need to put down the bottle and join the real world.

There is no way you could do it that way.

I do it all the time, with leaf cover heavier than that shown in the photo. and it doesnt matter if ita a calm day or a gale is blowing, they are all dust in the time it takes to mow the lawn, but with no trimming.

You can not make a living if you are so anal-retentive that you MUST get every fleck of debris up. Reality, 30 sec after you leave, the neighbor's leaves have already begun to blow across the property, and will do so til next April.

I am willing to bet, all you guys who insist it cant be done have not tried it. And once you take that first forkful of crow and see how it works there will be another leaf vac for sale in the Penny saver.

summitgroundskeeping
11-01-2001, 10:15 PM
Gind them. If the mower just plows them because they are too high, I just do a wheelie on my w/b over the leaves, and then make another normal pass. I grind leaves, and OCCASIONALLY to fall clean ups, and then do a final clean up after almost every leaf has fallen.

summitgroundskeeping
11-01-2001, 10:21 PM
I love fall. Best weather here (except when the wind blows), right Eric. Extra money comes in. I may sound gay saying this but, but a like all the pretty colors ( hey I'm a horticulture major). I get to play w/ evern more toys every day. Fall is great.

Grapevine
11-01-2001, 10:29 PM
What a crock of s..t .. Yeah, I've got a for sale on my leaf loader right now.. give me a break.

thelawnguy
11-01-2001, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Grapevine
What a crock of s..t

Agreed. Share with us your experiences mulching leaves...or maybe that's what you were referring to...

summitgroundskeeping
11-01-2001, 10:37 PM
?what?

hustlers
11-01-2001, 10:55 PM
Stone & mulchers
I mulched leaves all last year and never hauled nothing
away. This year im hauling and bagging.

Unless you only mulch a little you will have BAD lawn
results diseases dead spots,etc
, If your lawn is crap mulch it.
Otherwise mulching lawns will never
get you the priority accounts.
But there is money in doing crap cleanups if
your just mulching

summitgroundskeeping
11-01-2001, 11:04 PM
Mulch, mulch, mulch, cleanup, mulch, mulch, mulch, clean up. Lawns always look great. ?what?

GreenQuest Lawn
11-02-2001, 12:02 AM
Homer,
Well the seasons here by me are really predictable, The heavy leaf drop is always done by Oct 31. Right now I would say 90% of the leaves are off. The only ones that remain are trees like oaks that like to hang on to the leaves till Jan. The only problem here is we have a very limited time to finish our fall cleanups. Last year we had 7" of snow on Nov19 so that is what I am going by this year. The grass is done growing here so starting today I did my final cleanups. We dont try to get every leaf there is just no way we could wait that long. The customer gets the leafs cleaned up through Oct and then one final cleanup after the first of Nov. After that there is not many and are cleaned up in the spring.


As far as the leaf mulching I do half-and-half, I will run the leaves over with the lazer-vac turned off to chop them up (they fill up the bagger too fast if not) this takes the piles down to a few inches of mulch. Then I fire up the vac and vacume it up. This has greatly reduced the amount that I haul away. It leaves some chopped up leaves but not alot.

casey
11-02-2001, 12:33 AM
If the city is picking up, 2 guys can tarp & haul a backyard faster than it can be double or triple mulch cut. A push blower & BP to get leaves in piles, & JRCO leaf plow to push 'em on tarp. Faster, cleaner, & less strain on equipment. Stone, you would have to quadruple cut that back with the 12.5 Tecumseh & it still would look like sh*&.

lawrence stone
11-02-2001, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by casey
If the city is picking up, 2 guys can tarp & haul a backyard faster than it can be double or triple mulch cut. A push blower & BP to get leaves in piles, & JRCO leaf plow to push 'em on tarp. Faster, cleaner, & less strain on equipment. Stone, you would have to quadruple cut that back with the 12.5 Tecumseh & it still would look like sh*&.

Sorry the "city" provides no such services. Where I live it is not the socialist utopia that you are accustomed.

Sorry I have no labor to play with a tarp.

Yes a 16 hp OHV Tecumseh is better. I am going to buy a 16hp for the 32" machine next season.

One must go back to the description of the photo of the thread starter. It states this is a half acre property=100 x 200 lot.
So the back is over twice the size of the front lawn.

If you were going to do the beds in this visit you would need to double cut the back lawn first (no big deal when you have a 32" ride on mower) then blow out the beds mulch another pass then make a pass with a bagger to satisfy the anal retentive left coast flakes.

It's still quicker and much easier this way and you only have about 10% of garbage to haul away.

I have gotten to a point where nothing is removed. I need the space in the truck for lime and fertilizer for during grinding season I fertilize twice and apply lime once. When your turf is actively growing thorough this time frame there is a lot of room to hide all the leaf matter in the canopy.

awm
11-02-2001, 06:52 AM
they can be mulched.i think u said that happened in one wk.
that would be tough.but they can be cleaned up mulching,if thats your system.doubles ,gator tops, standard bottums,or if wet
mulchers on the bottum for exstra lift. seems impossible
but a good commercial mower can do the job in the right hands.

Premo Services
11-02-2001, 08:09 AM
:rolleyes: It looks like a HE!! of a lot of oak leaves in that pile.
You could never mulch them oaks into dust and hide them in the thin turf areas, mabey maple or sweet gum leaves, but definetly not oak leaves.The job would look like the pic that was posted last year about mulching. .:mad: Wouldn`t work for me. I started using the lazer and ultra vac last year and am very pleased with the results. Yesterday I did jobs with heavy leaf cover, and one pass with the ultra vac, they were gone. Sure I did a lot of dumping, but I know it was a heck of a lot quicker than going over, and over, and over and over the lawn, trying to mulch that many leaves into dust, and hide them. When they are that thick, mulching does not work!!! Lets see some pics of jobs when the leaves are that thick with oak leaves, also mabey you could tell how many passes were neeeded to mulch them enough to hide them in the turf. With a lawn like Evan`s the best bet would have been to blow and tarp them to the pile, To me a lot quicker than trying to mulch them. Wow mulching that many leaves, What A MESS!!!

lawnworker
11-02-2001, 09:51 AM
how many of you have found a gater blade plus i high lift blade has to much airflow and blow out to mulch leaves,this is on a 36 Exmark walk unit.I found a single gater blade did better then doubles


lawnworker

casey
11-02-2001, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by lawrence stone

(no big deal when you have a 32" ride on mower) .

I used to run a Toro single blade 32, as soon as that big blade hit anything heavy it would bog. Also there is, or was, no gator avail. for that mower. Wondering how you can grind a heavy covering with that equip?

gogetter
11-02-2001, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by lawnworker
how many of you have found a gater blade plus i high lift blade has to much airflow and blow out to mulch leaves,this is on a 36 Exmark walk unit.I found a single gater blade did better then doubles. lawnworker

Lawnworker, I posted something about this just recently. I first went with the Exmark Micro Mulch kit (after reading positive posts about it here). This was when the leaves just started coming down and I was still cutting grass. So very little leaves at this point. I wasn't crazy about the cut on the grass, but it did shred the small amount of leaves.
Last week the leaves really dropped, and I decided to try doubles since most here rave about them for mulching leaves up.
I left the Micro Mulch kit on (since I had just put it on about two weeks prior), which meant I had the mulch blades that came with the kit and added Gators.
The blowout was unbearable!!. It was blowing the leaves away from the front of the mower, so I couldn't run them over to mulch them.
So now, I'm going to remove the mulch kit, remove the mulch blade and try a high lift with the gator and just side discharge.
If this isn't a whole lot better, I don't know what I'm gonna do then. Maybe use a bag.
I also mentioned in the other post that going in reverse did a really good job of shredding leaves, and eliminating blowout. Unfortunately, the Metro only has "reverse assist" and I basically had to pull the mower around backwards! Whew, were my arms and legs sore!

Grapevine
11-02-2001, 07:56 PM
I tried grinding up some leaves at one of our condos in a wide open area that I would normally open up the back of the Walker anyway. This is an old monastery that was converted to condos about 25 years ago. Trees are huge ( mostly Oaks and Maples) and drop a ton of leaves. I used a 48 Exmark with a 14 Hp Kawi and brand new mulching blades. I went over it about 3 times, took me way too long and it looked like crap when I was done. We ended up going over it with the Walkers, and sucking it up into the truck which is what I should have done to begin with. We don't have curbside leaf pick up in these parts. Maybe I'm too fussy, but I won't have my properties looking like that.

BufalinoLand
11-02-2001, 08:25 PM
Im with you GrapeVine. I live in a town that does offer leaf pickup but next year when I go after leafs Im definitely getting a truck Vac and hauling them away. How professional does it look if you leave them and then they all blow away. Im not into mulching them either. I dont think its good for the grass. What is a good truck vac to get

hustlers
11-02-2001, 09:00 PM
hey I'm done up here in MN.
We cleanup every job every time were there
All my 70 yards look good.
Might go back and mulch a litte of some new leaves though

Are you guys almost donw

John DiMartino
11-02-2001, 09:02 PM
I have done it both ways,grind them,and bag them.If you are coming every week,I just bag the fronts of commercials,the backs,i mulch/grind if they are big areas.If i skip a week,and its thick,ill grind/mulch it once,there are lots of leaves,then ill bag it.If its thick turf,I can just mulch it again,and 90% of the leaves are turned to dust.I have been trying to grind them more this year,than bag to save on my back.For the final cleanup,I usually just grind them up/doubl cut ,and that looks great if the turf is thick.If i bag with gatots/low lifts,the leaves are reduced to dust in my bagger,so i can fit a lot of them this way.I would never,ever ,let a yard get so out of control that it takes you sll day to clean it up,I like regular visits in the fall,it looks better,and its easier in the long run.

lawrence stone
11-02-2001, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by casey


I used to run a Toro single blade 32, as soon as that big blade hit anything heavy it would bog. Also there is, or was, no gator avail. for that mower. Wondering how you can grind a heavy covering with that equip?

It's painfully obvious that you did not have the machine set up operate properly.

In order for a belt drive to work you need good belts and have them properly adjusted. A can of belt dressing used on the transmission and deck belt on a daily basis at the first job every morning will increase the overall production throughout the day.

BTW if you still have that 32" Toro I have two 21"s that I could trade.

casey
11-02-2001, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by lawrence stone

It's painfully obvious that you did not have the machine set up operate properly.


I challenge you to show a pic of turf with heavy leaf covering & a 32" swath through a partial section. I never had any luck with the 32" & I find it hard to believe it was the belts. That big blade just wouldn't spin in thick leaves.
Can you get a gator or Atomic for it now?

ronslawncare
11-03-2001, 01:06 AM
heres how i do my cleanups i blow out all beds on the property then blow all leaves from customers curb or street blown on to there property next blow all driveways clear of leafs anywhere there leafs i blow back onto turf i mulch over them make one pass first going really fast grinding all heavy leaves up then ill blow everything that is left back into a pile grind it a again than for that spotless look i ground blow the entire property and just blow all left over tiny mulch into one big pile and just bag that crap.i may use a rake and shovel like 5 times thats it .

Grapevine
11-03-2001, 09:23 AM
Bufalinoland, Billy Goat makes a 16 Hp Truck Loader that will suck the boots off your feet if you get too close to it. I've been using an 8 hp Loader for about 9 or 10 years. Have replaced a couple of engines, impellers and a bunch of other stuff, but there's no way I'd be in this business this time of year without it. The drawback to the 16 Hp (besides the price) is it's heavy as a bastard and you might need to retro fit the truck so you won't have to lift it off on a daily basis to dump.
Check out Alamia.com and see what they've got, I've had pretty good luck with them.

thelawnguy
11-03-2001, 02:34 PM
"I've been using an 8 hp Loader for about 9 or 10 years. "

The 8hp with its pathetically small intake is a waste of time and energy. You would be better off selling that to a scrub and upgrading to a larger-frame 11 or 16hp unit, otherwise you may as well stick with tarps and trash cans.

Grapevine
11-03-2001, 04:45 PM
Hey Lawnguy, thanks for the input, but we get along just fine with our pathetic little machine. Stick to your leaf grinding (or whatever it is you do) and I'll stick to what I do. I've got a feeling you've got time wasting down to a science.

Turfdude
11-03-2001, 05:14 PM
Evan,

A Peco vac for your ZTR does work well. It will hold at least the same amount of leaves as a moderately full 16'X20' tarp. I have a similar sized residential property w/ the majority of the leaves in the back yard. We opt to not use the vac a lot as it is extreemely dusty (unless there is a lot of plush turfunder the leaves which is still growing). The township we work in does only 2 collections a season at at year end, we use a hitch mounted swingaway leaf vac for our one dump truck - works great!!

Anyway, we always recommend do whatever gets the job done the fastest in this case, 2 guys w/ backpacks (6200's or 7000's) & one on an 8HP Little wonder push blower, along w/ some elbow grease.

General amount of time to do leaves only on 2.5 acre lot w/ an average of 12 overfull 16'X20' tarps of leaves.... 6-8 manhours/week (and at least a mortgage payment for me!) by month's end.

Bob

Toroguy
11-03-2001, 07:39 PM
To mulch or to vac?

My only concern regarding mulching is I worry that over time the build-up of matter will raise the height of the property. In older neighborhoods I see the grassline three inches above the sidewalk? Is the walkway sinking or the turf rising?

I am only one dude, I cannot lift a tarp o'leaves into a truck bed continuously. I am forced to mulch, and as previously mentioned a weekly service should reduce the leaf depth to a manageble level.

Hustlers,

Im figuring on finishing this week, just awaiting on those last Maple leafies to fall. MOW ED could probably identify what type of Maple, I need more education:)

thelawnguy
11-03-2001, 10:20 PM
". In older neighborhoods I see the grassline three inches above the sidewalk? Is the walkway sinking or the turf rising?'

Probably both. But the real culprit is the sand spread during the winter months, figure even a 1/16 inch a year left on the snow shelf and a subdivision built in the 50's, there's 3 inches of sand buildup alone.

dlandscaping
11-03-2001, 11:48 PM
we did a job today.all oaks in the yard about 15-20 of them. the whole yard is about 1/2 acre and was completely covered with oak leaves. we spent two and a half hours there tonite till pitch dark with the 10 hsp billy goat, stihl backpacks and a toro 36 with doubles. the leaves were a lil wet. i tried mulching them with the toro and it turned into a plow of 4 ft of leaves. it stalled many times and the discharge shuot was completely blocked and the blades wouldnt turn on. there was too much to mulch even goin over it 6 times and taking chunks out of it by the billy goat and tarps. there were two many leaves to mulch with any mower. we did about half the yard with a 4 person crew tonite. there are woods in back so no transporting these leaves thank god. the woods are now completely full ill post pics if i can. there was a good 60 sq ft place for leaves that is now full about 6 ft high and another 40 sq ft opening is almost full with 4 ft covering it. i will have to go back tomorow to finish. It has been 1 week since we were there last and the it was spotless. today we couldnt see any grass anywhere.

Toroguy
11-04-2001, 05:24 PM
Great point Bill, the areas nearest the roadway are the areas with the most noticable "rise".

Thanks,