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Scag48
02-11-2008, 04:27 AM
Headed to the Case dealer in the AM, I was headed last Wednesday then my truck died on me. Got the ignition module replaced for $50 and the Ford is running again. With that said, I'll make another go at it to see what I can dig up on the 400 series and maybe run one around the lot and see what all the fuss is about. Obviously I won't be able to check out the series 3, but I'll see if they can tell me anything about them. Maybe they'll have a hat for me, but I doubt it'll replace my Cat hats. :laugh:

Seriously though, I better be impressed with Case or I blame KSSS. You will be recieving a bill from me for time and materials next week if I'm disappointed with what I see. :drinkup:

qps
02-11-2008, 10:00 AM
Headed to the Case dealer in the AM, I was headed last Wednesday then my truck died on me. Got the ignition module replaced for $50 and the Ford is running again. With that said, I'll make another go at it to see what I can dig up on the 400 series and maybe run one around the lot and see what all the fuss is about. Obviously I won't be able to check out the series 3, but I'll see if they can tell me anything about them. Maybe they'll have a hat for me, but I doubt it'll replace my Cat hats. :laugh:

Seriously though, I better be impressed with Case or I blame KSSS. You will be recieving a bill from me for time and materials next week if I'm disappointed with what I see. :drinkup:

I was thinking of asking my CASE salesman...(did I just say that)...if he would drop off a machine to run side by side against my 297C....let the best man win....:cool2:

RockSet N' Grade
02-11-2008, 10:23 AM
Scag.....and here I thought you won the lottery or were taking out some hot chick. I was all excited for a moment.......but at my age, that's all it lasts anyways is just a moment. Take some pictures.......

ksss
02-11-2008, 11:04 AM
Headed to the Case dealer in the AM, I was headed last Wednesday then my truck died on me. Got the ignition module replaced for $50 and the Ford is running again. With that said, I'll make another go at it to see what I can dig up on the 400 series and maybe run one around the lot and see what all the fuss is about. Obviously I won't be able to check out the series 3, but I'll see if they can tell me anything about them. Maybe they'll have a hat for me, but I doubt it'll replace my Cat hats. :laugh:

Seriously though, I better be impressed with Case or I blame KSSS. You will be recieving a bill from me for time and materials next week if I'm disappointed with what I see. :drinkup:


Well if your not impressed, I should at least be thankful that you got out of the Audi and into a Ford. That T&M bill would have been much larger in the Audi.:clapping:

Scag48
02-11-2008, 01:57 PM
I loved that car, had it for 2.5 years and did basically nothing to it, then a fluke timing belt prematurely exploded, that was fun.

Will take some pictures, I'm headed out the door right now.

Scag48
02-11-2008, 02:00 PM
oops double post

Scag48
02-11-2008, 05:46 PM
Alright, back from Case. They didn't have a single skid steer to be found, pretty disappointed. 3 excavators, 2 dozers, a couple minis and a roller, that's about it. Reminds me of the Deere dealer back home, 10 machines or less on the lot, all the time. I have pictures as promised.

CX130
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0005-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0004-1-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0003-1.jpg

CX160 with 5,1XX hours on her and a CX31B
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0006-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0008-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0011-1.jpg

PNW spec thumb and coupler, PSM Series II
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0009-1-1.jpg

650K Series 2
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0007-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0010-1.jpg

CX50B
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0013-1.jpg

Not sure about this "power tan" stuff. The cabs in the excavators leave a lot to be desired. I'm not too much of a gadget guy, but the lack of a well placed monitor is a little funky. Everything in the cab that you need to reach seemed like it was in an odd spot and the arm rests do not leave very good access to the throttle dial. I thought it was strange that both the CX130's on the lot came equipped with ether starting aid and to lock the house swing you actually had to push a button in the cab, isn't that automatic with like every other brand right now? I'm disappointed to see that the CX130 is only available with one undercarriage option and it seems short. The CX160's carriage looks about right, but if given an option I'll take a long carriage any day of the week. The hydraulic disengage lever in the CX's are plastic, way to go Case. At least Cat supplies a nice, metal rod that won't break in half. I didn't notice any vents for a heating/AC system, they might have been there but I could have missed them, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see one in front of the operator anywhere. I guess it's small things that irk me the most, some people shrug them off, but c'mon, I know that machine has at least heat but there's no vents anywhere visible?!?! I dunno, I'm hoping the series 3 skids have nicer cabs than the excavators. I did sit in the CX50 and the cab had lots of room to the front, not so much behind the seat, but it's definately less claustrophobic than most enclosed cab minis I've been in. They mounted the thumb control on the left joystick, which would automatically detract me from buying that particular machine. The thumb cylinder is freakin' tiny, but that's not a Case issue. I'd like to see an HPF link thumb on that mini, the CX50 looks like it would be a pretty capable machine.

The machine that really caught my eye was the 650K, everything else just seemed a little old hat. I suppose I'd probably buy a used Case excavator, but for new a new excavator Case doesn't bring much to the fit and finish table. You could spend another $20K and get a Deere

There, I did it, I went and looked at some Case iron. To be completely honest, I wasn't blown away by anything I saw. I can go get in a new Cat excavator that has the same cab as the one we had and think to myself "wow, I still love these interiors". I did want to look at a new M series backhoe, but they didn't have one. I was hoping that Case's saving grace via their backhoe line would give me a sweet taste in my mouth, but I wasn't afforded that opportunity.

Landrus2
02-11-2008, 06:39 PM
those are nice machines.:drinkup:

Fieldman12
02-11-2008, 06:49 PM
I like the pics. I wish I could get some seat time on that Case dozer. I always loved the looks of the Case dozers. Things I look for in a machine.

1. Quality in metal- Seems like they keep raising the price on equipment each year but want to cut corners on putting less metal in them. Leave the metal there.

2. reliability - a machine that has been out long enough that has a good track record on not breaking down.

3. Price - I like to pay for quality but no more than any other comparible built machine.

4. Trade in - I want a machine that is somewhat average in resell.

6. Interior - I like a nice interior but I dont have to have all the high tech stuff at least at this point. I may like the stuff more once it has proven itself in dirty conditions. I know in the farm world they have more electronic issues any more than mechanical or so Im told by the mechanics.

7. Safety - what safe features does it offer not only for me but someone that may be running it besides me.

Dirt Digger2
02-11-2008, 06:52 PM
Case backhoes take the cake...the interior is simple, what do you need gizmos for anyway?...the more crap there is, the more crap to break and go wrong. I have my radio up in the headliner, speakers right next to my ear...vents front and rear for my heat/ A/C and my simple 4 stick controls...i can't get much happier then that. I really dislike the Deere backhoes, i hate the whole parking brake thing they have in that machine...i've run one twice and go running back to orange every time.

bobcat_ron
02-11-2008, 07:21 PM
Case has this weird ventilation system with no vents, it's all behind the seat.

ksss
02-11-2008, 08:58 PM
As is typically an issue it is easy to confuse familiarity with comfort. Things seemed out place to you because you are familiar with the CAT. I look at the machines that have monitor and seems odd to have a tv screen in the way when it can be mounted on the side of the cab where it is not in the way but still visible. The safety latch depresses a small button. If you functioned it you saw there is no load on it, like raising the flag on a mailbox. It is simply a safety lever. If you break that lever, your a moron. The biggest issue with that cab is there is no cup holder. Now that is stupid. The swing brake is either activated or not. That is controlled by the button. If you want it on you depress it and it stays on until you click it off, even if the machine is turned off. Whats the issue with that? The B series cabs are improved, but I have spent many hours in a CX cab and I have no issues with it as is minus the cup holder. Very quiet great visibility. I spent in a week in a CAT 322B L. I don't see where the CAT cab has anything on anyones cab. It is all what your used to. I got in the CAT and nothing was were I thought it should be, after a day in it, its not an issue. Scag you need to run one when you get the chance. They are a great running machine. The valving in the controls is second to none in my opinion. I have run the CX210, CX225 and CX160, CX130 and the 225 is my personal favorite even though cab is a little tighter.


That 160 in picture was in great shape for 5K hours. It looks to me like you found your first used excavator.:clapping: What did they want for it? If it was priced right I would be interested.

I ran the Dozers in Tomahawk and they sure are nice to run, granted I have zero dozer time so it was all new to me. The controls took all of 10 minutes to be comfortable with. It would be an easy machine to spend all day in one. The ones I ran had cabs.

The CASE mini ex is a nice running excavator. I have not seen that thumb OEM before. Must be a WA. thing. The swing boom activates with a button on the joystick combined with rotating the opp. joy stick. Very sweet idea once you get on to it.

Well hopefully you will not send me a bill to fix your FORD. Next time you get to a bigger CASE dealer check out the B series excavator. Perhaps you will like that one better.

Fieldman12
02-11-2008, 09:35 PM
ksss, I thought the same thing about the 160 with over 5,000 hours on it. I sure would love to have it.

bobcat_ron
02-11-2008, 09:41 PM
Funny the cup holder should be mentioned, you wouldn't believe how many LBX/Case dealers reported that as one of the contributing factors to loosing a sale to a tough customer, they do have cup holders now, big enough to hold a keg!

ksss
02-11-2008, 10:07 PM
Funny the cup holder should be mentioned, you wouldn't believe how many LBX/Case dealers reported that as one of the contributing factors to loosing a sale to a tough customer, they do have cup holders now, big enough to hold a keg!

Yea I am Power Tan fan but that omission was fricken ridiculous. The product itself is world class. But if you cant hold a big gulp in your cab WTF?

bobcat_ron
02-11-2008, 10:09 PM
No kidding, what goes in must come out around noon!

Scag48
02-12-2008, 02:08 AM
Pardon me, I reviewed the literature that I nabbed and the B series cabs look much, much, much better. Way more visibility to the right of the cab toward the front right track, there are vents located in front of the operator, the monitor isn't my cup of tea where it is but it does the job I suppose. Needless to say, the B series looks to be a much better designed cab, leaps and bounds better.

I actually thought of you Shane when I saw that 160, I was trying to figure what that bad boy would go for. I've looked up that particular machine on their website, the it says it's in Auburn but I'm pretty sure the listing I've read was that machine, 5,135 hours, sounds right. Looks like they're asking $84K, a little high if you ask me, I can get a 315CL for that. :laugh: The cab on that particular machine wasn't nearly as clean as the rest of it, it looks to be pretty tight mechanically but the joysticks they have mounted in the cab are absolute crap, but that's personal preference to me. The triggers are of the spring loaded type, either they're on or off, no feathering ability which is zero fun with a thumb and they weren't terribly comfortable. The seat wasn't torn, so maybe a nice seat cover would be nice to cover up the dirty seat. Overall, not a bad machine and if I was shopping, I'd probably consider it.

I read the literature I grabbed and realized that like you say, the left joystick buttons are for swinging the boom on the 50. I must have missed where the thumb control is, but I know for darn sure it wasn't controlled by your right foot because I definately looked there. I suppose once I didn't see one on the floor at first glance, I looked up at the joysticks, it could have been on the floor to the left side but I might have missed it.

ksss
02-12-2008, 02:43 AM
Pardon me, I reviewed the literature that I nabbed and the B series cabs look much, much, much better. Way more visibility to the right of the cab toward the front right track, there are vents located in front of the operator, the monitor isn't my cup of tea where it is but it does the job I suppose. Needless to say, the B series looks to be a much better designed cab, leaps and bounds better.

I actually thought of you Shane when I saw that 160, I was trying to figure what that bad boy would go for. I've looked up that particular machine on their website, the it says it's in Auburn but I'm pretty sure the listing I've read was that machine, 5,135 hours, sounds right. Looks like they're asking $84K, a little high if you ask me, I can get a 315CL for that. :laugh: The cab on that particular machine wasn't nearly as clean as the rest of it, it looks to be pretty tight mechanically but the joysticks they have mounted in the cab are absolute crap, but that's personal preference to me. The triggers are of the spring loaded type, either they're on or off, no feathering ability which is zero fun with a thumb and they weren't terribly comfortable. The seat wasn't torn, so maybe a nice seat cover would be nice to cover up the dirty seat. Overall, not a bad machine and if I was shopping, I'd probably consider it.

I read the literature I grabbed and realized that like you say, the left joystick buttons are for swinging the boom on the 50. I must have missed where the thumb control is, but I know for darn sure it wasn't controlled by your right foot because I definately looked there. I suppose once I didn't see one on the floor at first glance, I looked up at the joysticks, it could have been on the floor to the left side but I might have missed it.

That is on the high side. However from the pictures it looked very nice, probably is worth more than the average 160 with that kind of hours.

Scag48
02-12-2008, 02:58 AM
That machine is definately a little over priced. I'd say $70K.

Gravel Rat
02-12-2008, 03:30 AM
That Case 160 looks like it may need some undercarriage work :laugh:

What do you need cup holders in a excavator for your supposed to be working not drinking coffee. :)

I don't drink coffee but I have a cooler with me most of the time at work with a bottle of water and some pop.

Keep in mind the best brand excavator you can get is a nice orange Hitachi :canadaflag:

Scag48
02-12-2008, 03:34 AM
I don't mind Hitachi, they definately aren't bad machines. I only have maybe 10 hours on a ZX120, so I can't give a real good analysis. I thought of you GR when I saw this Daewoo 280 all forestry guarded up at the Case dealership. Down the road was a busted down UH, looked to be around 25 tons or so, I'm sure you would have loved it. :weightlifter:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b237/Railslider/DSC_0012-1.jpg

coopers
02-12-2008, 05:08 AM
Scag, I drove by that dealership twice Sunday and they had the M's sitting there. I drooled over an old 580C in the lot, want it. I'm a case backhoe fan, but other than that...yeah. You should go down to Auburn when time permits. That's where ALL the toys are. This Arlington site doesn't carry a lot.

Blake

coopers
02-12-2008, 05:20 AM
The swing boom activates with a button on the joystick combined with rotating the opp. joy stick. Very sweet idea once you get on to it.

A kobelco I played on briefly, mini, had that feature. Really cool.

Blake

Scag48
02-12-2008, 01:40 PM
They had one M on the lot, but it was back in the service lot it looked like. I figured it was someone's machine, I didn't want to climb on it.

Gravel Rat
02-12-2008, 02:43 PM
You can't beat Case backhoes.

Dirt Digger2
02-21-2008, 05:26 PM
i went to the case dealer today to buy filters and grabbed the camera...the new Case backhoes are no different then the one i run and its a 2003 model...this one just has newer paint

Dirt Digger2
02-21-2008, 05:28 PM
here you go Scag...heres the air vents in the 160...you can see them in the first pic too down by the right leg

Dirt Digger2
02-21-2008, 05:30 PM
i was pretty impressed with this too...i like the ride control feature in it

Dirt Digger2
02-21-2008, 05:33 PM
and you hate to see this happen to any color equipment...i'm wondering if this was in a shop that burned up, i just dont see how it could have burned that much before someone got to it....i mean there was nothing left, except the paint on the dipper

Scag48
02-21-2008, 05:45 PM
After reading the brochures, I've found out the B series excavators have vents where they should be. However, they still have that stupid, plastic mailbox flag. I'm going to call Case R&D and tell them to quit being tightwads.

You won't hear me bashing Case backhoes, they are some of the best. I've never had any problems with Cat backhoes, but I hear the transmissions on them leave a little to be desired. Doesn't affect me as an operator, but from an owner standpoint it's a little different. You been keeping up with that backhoe thread on HEF about the M series? That one dude is a dealership mechanic, he seems to know his stuff.

bobcat_ron
02-21-2008, 05:52 PM
I do like those loaders CASE have on the CTL's, but I can see myself doing some SERIOUS damage to those bucket ductile cast iron linkages!!!

ksss
02-21-2008, 06:13 PM
[QUOTE=Scag48;2166782] I'm going to call Case R&D and tell them to quit being tightwads.

If they don't heed your warning are you going to knockem out there Ali?:weightlifter:


All that CASE porn makes me want go rub one out. Dam that is purty.:clapping:

Scag48
02-21-2008, 07:24 PM
If they don't heed your warning are you going to knockem out there Ali?:weightlifter:

Only if they have it coming to them. Yesterday I just felt like kicking someone's ass, I shoulda gone over to my buddy's place and started a battle royale to get it out of my system.

All that CASE porn makes me want go rub one out. Dam that is purty.:clapping:

You would

NateV
02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
Im suprised Groff actually had anything new on the lot. The local branch around here doesnt have anything but used stuff. There might be a new skid or 2 but thats about it. I think our machine came from the Ephrata location.

qps
02-21-2008, 09:23 PM
[QUOTE=Scag48;2166782] I'm going to call Case R&D and tell them to quit being tightwads.

If they don't heed your warning are you going to knockem out there Ali?:weightlifter:


All that CASE porn makes me want go rub one out. Dam that is purty.:clapping:

That should take all of 30 seconds...they don't call you the one pump chump....for nothing....:laugh:


on a serious note..I got my hat...thank you amy.....

RockSet N' Grade
02-21-2008, 09:38 PM
so QPS.....you gonna model that hat? suggested attire: Hat and maybe some shoes with socks?..........ok, shoes and socks optional....

ksss
02-22-2008, 02:50 AM
[QUOTE=ksss;2166832]

That should take all of 30 seconds...they don't call you the one pump chump....for nothing....:laugh:


.....


As long as I am happy.:clapping:

Glad the hat arrived. I sent a equipment paper in the box for your viewing pleasure.

Scag48
02-22-2008, 03:09 AM
Hahaha, kinda like that one joke:

How long does it take for your woman to become satisfied? Who cares!

I suppose I'm not headed to the pearly gates with that comment, 'spose I'll be driving the bus the other way. :drinkup:

Equipment paper, about the only piece of reading material that isn't on the internet I read from cover to cover. Err, well, drool, but whatever.

qps
02-22-2008, 07:45 AM
[QUOTE=qps;2167220]


As long as I am happy.:clapping:

Glad the hat arrived. I sent a equipment paper in the box for your viewing pleasure.


I seen all kinds of toys to buy:cool2:

BIGBEN2004
02-22-2008, 10:31 AM
Why does the door on the 450 CTL look different then what I see on my local dealers lot? All the ones on my local lot have a full glass door with only a small frame around the outer edge of the window. That one in the picture had a big frame all the way around the glass.

Dirt Digger2
02-22-2008, 03:32 PM
maybe it could be a plexi-glass door or something set up for hammering...it has a lot of hydraulic remotes up front, so i'm sure it is set up for a breaker

BIGBEN2004
02-22-2008, 05:21 PM
Yea I think your correct because it also has a beacon light on top and the only people who usually get that on their machines are road working machines. Also behind that one is another that looks identical.

Dirt Digger2
02-22-2008, 05:44 PM
Yea I think your correct because it also has a beacon light on top and the only people who usually get that on their machines are road working machines. Also behind that one is another that looks identical.

yea they were identical...really sharp looking units, i liked the beacon. They must have been at a show because they were in the fenced lot behind the building so i don't see why they would just post the price in one machine, i'm suprised the dealer spec'd out a machine like that to sit on their lot, you usually one see machines that decked out going right to a contractor

Lazer_Z
02-22-2008, 08:50 PM
Scag, I hope you don't mind me posting this for ksss/Shane.

cat2
02-22-2008, 08:52 PM
That look nice:cool2::cool2:

coopers
02-23-2008, 04:39 AM
Lazer_Z,

Looks GREAT!!

Lazer_Z
02-23-2008, 01:30 PM
Lazer_Z,

Looks GREAT!!
I gotta admit when I saw that sitting there I was impressed, I was also told by a truck driver for the company that they had 3 more exactly like that back at the yard. I love the look of new iron no matter what color, in fact on the 6th of March I'm going to a "Demo Day" for Bobcat, I figured what the heck as I get to try out some machines and eat for free. I received the invitation via e-mail from Garden State Bobcat Group. If any of you Jersey guys would like the info PM me and I'll fill you in.

Dirt Digger2
02-23-2008, 04:39 PM
you better let bobcat_ron in on that info, i'm sure he would come down from Canada if you let him crash in your house a few nights

bobcat_ron
02-23-2008, 05:34 PM
Yeah, I'll crash in his house alright, show him what Cat power can do to the living room.

Lazer_Z
02-24-2008, 11:33 AM
Ron, Trust me when I tell you that my dream machine's are a 297C and a 305C CR both machines will have every option I can afford. I was treated way too good by a CAT rep to ever buy anything else when the time comes.