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Sunscaper
02-12-2008, 01:53 PM
I have an S205 Bobcat and a older 2002-2003 S-6 Harley rake. I used it a little last year and am still trying to perfect using it as well as I would like to.

I find that when reversing the drum and doing in reverse I have to raise the loader arms about 5" than if I'm going forward and even though it grades nicer in reverse the machine bounces over it tracks from moving forward and therefore bounces the rake. I then have to try and manually raise/ lower the loader arms to compensate for this.

Also, when moving forward I just raise the drum with the loader arms a few inches and use my bucket tilt control the raise/ lower the rake on the go. This also sometimes causes problems if I am going uphill.

Does anyone have any advice for me to speed up my production in operating this rake? I appreciate it.

hansondirtman
02-12-2008, 02:37 PM
This is how I do it, and like the performance. When going backward have the drum rotating (where it contacts the ground) in the opposite direction from travel. Then have the lift arms in float and slowly "dump" your tilt cylinders until the front caster wheels lift the drum (and the loader arms) to the correct height-depending how deep and how much material you want to carry. Ultimatly you will have it set "just right". Then when transporting you can just lift the loader arms up, get to the new spot and put your loader arms back in float and the rake will go to the same settting. Works ok going forward, but better in reverse.

This way the rake floats and stay's level even when the machine is bouncing.

Hanson.

Sunscaper
02-12-2008, 03:34 PM
Thanks Hanson,
I'll give that a try. I never floated the arms before and that's most likely my problem.

KRtraxx
03-05-2008, 09:43 AM
This is how I do it, and like the performance. When going backward have the drum rotating (where it contacts the ground) in the opposite direction from travel. Then have the lift arms in float and slowly "dump" your tilt cylinders until the front caster wheels lift the drum (and the loader arms) to the correct height-depending how deep and how much material you want to carry. Ultimatly you will have it set "just right". Then when transporting you can just lift the loader arms up, get to the new spot and put your loader arms back in float and the rake will go to the same settting. Works ok going forward, but better in reverse.

This way the rake floats and stay's level even when the machine is bouncing.

Hanson.

Hanson You are so right about this..I agree 100% with you that this is the best way to use those drum rakes.Will be a very consistant job when your done .And if you do the whole thing in reverse you dont even have wheel tracks when your done.If you have rolling ground to work on do you think the 72" model works better than the wider ones? Some guys are leaning towards bigger to get more done faster.But when I'm asked this I still tend to think the 72" model displays the best results when done, unless your on totally flat ground.Which most lawns arent..

Sunscaper
03-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Just curious what machines do you guys run the harley on? Are they vertical or radial lift?

Dirt Digger2
03-05-2008, 07:39 PM
we have one (never use it) but when we do its on a Case 1840

Superior L & L
03-05-2008, 07:47 PM
We have a harley for both Bobcats T190 and S185

Sunscaper
03-05-2008, 07:52 PM
I used mine last week and found that floating the arms didn't work too well. I fixed my arms and it seemed to work better. How high do you set the front caster wheels?

bobcat_ron
03-05-2008, 10:07 PM
I ran a Harley on high flow on my T190 a few years ago, scarier than hell to see rocks fly that far.

BIGBEN2004
03-06-2008, 08:36 AM
What is the purpose of those rakes? I have only seen where they did a nice job on some extreme mud conditions but other than that I can't see what they are for. since they don't pick up rocks I would feel they can be replaced by a rock hound attachment.

bobcat_ron
03-06-2008, 08:56 AM
They pulverize big clumps of soil and sod and windrow the rocks and roots to one side and fill in the low spots as it goes.

Sunscaper
03-06-2008, 09:02 AM
Ben,
I thought the same thing. Try both and you'll run to a harley any day. The rockhound is nice in small areas. You can put end plates on the harley like a box blade and make several piles. I then use a root grapple to pick up the piles of debris leaving almost all dirt behind. A Rockhound picks up too much dirt and they can only to run in reverse. Another nice attachment is called a preperator. They straddle a harley and a rockhound. It looks nce a rockhound but instead of a drive chain that gets stuck alot it uses a big drum. You can also reverse the hydraulics on a preperator and scarfiy while moving forward. I still prefer a harley over anything though but to each their own.

YellowDogSVC
03-06-2008, 10:24 AM
I ran a Harley on high flow on my T190 a few years ago, scarier than hell to see rocks fly that far.

Do they really eject rocks that far? I have given up on my rockhound. Destroyed the chains and bars and it will be over $4k to replace everything. Each bar is about $340 and I need all of them plus 3 chains!
Bobcat told me they are phasing them out, at least here, because they are so expensive to repair. I will sorely miss having it and have looked at the harley style rakes but have never tried one. I was hoping to find something that smooth and level wood chips that I spread on trails so it looks like the picture below:

Sunscaper
03-06-2008, 12:36 PM
I'm sure a harley style rake is what you want then.

YellowDogSVC
03-06-2008, 12:40 PM
i have been spending a lot of time using bucket then mowing over the chips to get them smooth on some of the trails that are up to 1/2 mile long.

riverwalklandscaping
03-10-2008, 08:56 AM
do the woodchips pevent mud?

BIGBEN2004
03-10-2008, 10:33 AM
How long does the wood chips prevent weeds from growing up through?

YellowDogSVC
03-10-2008, 11:17 AM
How long does the wood chips prevent weeds from growing up through?

do the woodchips pevent mud?

Wood chips help keep you out of the clay and mud. Lots of rain and soft grounds will make anything sink but it's a big help. I have spread miles of chips on that one property.

The weeds won't come through for at least a year or maybe 2. Of course, it depends on how thick it's spread but things grow slowly here and the fresh chips rob nitrogen from the soil and act as a weedblock. After a couple of years, the chips make a good bed for emerging clump grasses.

ksss
03-10-2008, 03:51 PM
Do they really eject rocks that far? I have given up on my rockhound. Destroyed the chains and bars and it will be over $4k to replace everything. Each bar is about $340 and I need all of them plus 3 chains!
Bobcat told me they are phasing them out, at least here, because they are so expensive to repair. I will sorely miss having it and have looked at the harley style rakes but have never tried one. I was hoping to find something that smooth and level wood chips that I spread on trails so it looks like the picture below:


That is the reason I started using the Preparator. They are much heavier duty, they work harder soils better. I am on my third one. You can replace a drum for about 1500. The Preparator does not bounce like a rock hound. I had a Rock Hound for a year when I first started. They are a money pit if you use them in harder ground conditions. The rental companies hate them. They cost more to maintain than they bring in. The Harley has some advantages, but so does the Preparator. The Harley is priced ridiculously high I think.

BIGBEN2004
03-10-2008, 10:00 PM
What brand Preparator do you use?

ksss
03-10-2008, 10:15 PM
What brand Preparator do you use?


Preparator is the product name. The company that builds them is FFC

http://www.ffcattachments.com/products_details.asp?Product_Id=314&Category1=Landscaping%252525252525252B%25252525252525252F%252525252525252BNursery%252525252525252B%2 5252525252525252F%252525252525252BSite%252525252525252BDevelopment&Category2=&Category3=&Category4=

BIGBEN2004
03-10-2008, 10:33 PM
That is the same company as Bradco I think. They both are Paladin Light Construction.
http://www.bradcoattachments.com/
They make some good stuff. I bet you are very happy with your Preparator.

ksss
03-10-2008, 10:37 PM
What brand Preparator do you use?


Preparator is the product name. The company that builds them is FFC

http://www.ffcattachments.com/products_details.asp?Product_Id=314&Category1=Landscaping%252525252525252B%25252525252525252F%252525252525252BNursery%252525252525252B%2 5252525252525252F%252525252525252BSite%252525252525252BDevelopment&Category2=&Category3=&Category4=

Sunscaper
03-11-2008, 01:32 PM
You can find a nice 6' harley with power angle for 3k if you look hard. Thats what I paid for mine.

jrlandscaping781
03-11-2008, 11:09 PM
Forgot to take the before picture..but this is what a harley rake can do for ya...

BIGBEN2004
03-12-2008, 08:30 AM
That is a nice looking yard. I always hate when I do a job that turns out looking totally different then when I started and I didn't take any before pictures to prove how much different it looks.

BongoJim
03-14-2008, 09:01 PM
I also like the preparator over the rock hound. Never tried a harley but hear alot about them.

kreft
03-15-2008, 10:53 PM
almost their, by the way nice yard!

jrlandscaping781
03-16-2008, 10:58 AM
I've decided to get out of my part-time landscape business. Harley rake for sale. 2006 model bought new in 2007. 10hrs max on unit. Looks like new. Stored inside. 3pt hitch 6' hyd angle. You won't find a better deal! $5000