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gutpiles
02-17-2008, 04:49 PM
I know... all half tons are crap...they cant tow...buy a diesel...lol:rolleyes: Im running my old mans dodge ram 1500 4.7 right now, but since Ill be out of high school and mowing full time this spring im going to need to buy my own truck. I work solo and I only use a 12x6 open trailer w/ a 36", a 52", and a couple 21" walk behinds. I see no need to spend alot of money buying a bigger truck when im not towing around that much of equipment. Plus ill be using it as a personal truck as well.

I have heard bad things about the dodges although I have never experienced any problems with my dads ('02 57,000 miles.) I was looking at the ford f-150s and they seemed to have plenty of towing power especially w/ the 5.4 liter engine. Im probably going to buy a new or slightly used totally stripped down truck(2wd, no air, ect to save money.) All I want is a clean, proffesional looking vehicle that will tow. Anyone here have experience w/ the '08 f-150 yet?

Turf Commando
02-17-2008, 04:54 PM
F-150's still remains the top selling truck in AMERICA....go FORD...
This year I'm upgrading, it's between a 4x4 Ranger or F-150 4x4 nothing older than 98. Plan to put a small plow on one or the other, come this next winter...
A f-150 would be the route I'd take if I was you..

DLAWNS
02-17-2008, 05:35 PM
I'm not trying to start a Chevy /Ford war, but I started my company with a Chevy Silverado 1500 and just upgraded to a 2500 HD. I love them and would buy nothing else.

Wilson Edge
02-17-2008, 06:16 PM
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Im going to buy a new chevy this next week... a 2006, 4X4 1500 with 14,000 miles on it. its pretty cheep for having so low of miles on it, but my main deal is dont settle for a 2 wheel drive. you will regret it forever my little nissan is a 2 wheel drive and im sick of it....sprink the extra pennies and get a 4X4 just my .02

gutpiles
02-17-2008, 07:09 PM
why get 4wd? The 2wd gets better gas mileage & tows more! I don't plow at all and it just seems a waste to buy a 4wd...

Landrus2
02-17-2008, 07:13 PM
2001 ford F250 super duty 25000 MILES with hiniker c plow.

lawnwizards
02-17-2008, 07:23 PM
i got a 2000 gmc sierra with 83k miles i need to get rid of. i need something extended cab because my daughter can reach the shifter with her foot. lol

tb8100
02-17-2008, 07:35 PM
All the half tons suck for towing and have sucky transmissions and rear ends. Get a Chevy or GMC 1500HD or 2500 (HD or not). They have the 14 bolt rear end, 4L80 tranny which is indestructible, and the 6.0L V8. Can't go wrong with that setup and you can get it in a crew cab short bed or extended cab long bed.

tb8100
02-17-2008, 07:36 PM
or if you're patient like I was, you'll find one in a quadrasteer. :)

Not that you would need that necessarily but it is so cool!!

lawnwizards
02-17-2008, 07:41 PM
All the half tons suck for towing and have sucky transmissions and rear ends. Get a Chevy or GMC 1500HD or 2500 (HD or not). They have the 14 bolt rear end, 4L80 tranny which is indestructible, and the 6.0L V8. Can't go wrong with that setup and you can get it in a crew cab short bed or extended cab long bed.
overkill unless youre towing a skidsteer? with a 1k of mowers and a trailer, any truck will work.

FIRESCOOBY
02-17-2008, 08:00 PM
overkill unless youre towing a skidsteer? with a 1k of mowers and a trailer, any truck will work.

I don't disagree that a 1/2 ton will work, but it's gonna be more than 1k lbs plus trailer. If the 52 is a ZTR it's gonna 1k lbs by itself, 500 for WB and figure another 500-1000 for 2 21's, handhelds, gas, etc. Total with a 6X12 would be somewhere around 3-4k.

I do agree though that if you can swing it go for as much truck as you can afford. 3/4 ton will allow you to haul/pull a skid steer in the future, and 4wd will come in handy. Just last week I got stuck in my own back yard after a rain. Without 4wd it would have been there for a few days.

And for God's sake...GET AIR CONDITIONING!!!!

TandM
02-17-2008, 08:26 PM
you need a 1977 dodge w200 no ac thats what windows are for no radio learn how to whistle and no gas milaege it gets 10mpgs but for $1500 you get a truck with a big block and 4 wheel drive can't beat it what a stump puller!!

tb8100
02-17-2008, 08:32 PM
overkill unless youre towing a skidsteer? with a 1k of mowers and a trailer, any truck will work.
Overkill until you spend $2000 on a tranny or $1200 on a rear end. Not to mention a half ton would get 3-4 points less in fuel economy.

Half tons are cool til you hook up to something.

lawnwizards
02-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Overkill until you spend $2000 on a tranny or $1200 on a rear end. Not to mention a half ton would get 3-4 points less in fuel economy.

Half tons are cool til you hook up to something.
shoot, i pulled my mowers and trailer with a 4 cylinder ranger for 4 years with no trouble. still got the original clutch. just need to know how to drive is all.

gutpiles
02-17-2008, 09:27 PM
heres another question: If I were to go for a bigger truck(say f-250), is the base model(5.8 gas) really any better than a f-150 w/ a 5.4??

Money is a real issue here; also what do you think about getting an older f-250 diesel? Im leary about buying used because I dont know what the truck has been used for. What kind of gas mileage would one of those get since I will be using it as a personal vehichle as well?

deere615
02-17-2008, 09:32 PM
My half ton works great for me, Although there was a few times I could have used a 3/4 ton which will definetly be my next truck. Chevy all the way for me:weightlifter:, although fords are pretty nice too.

KTM
02-17-2008, 09:38 PM
I say stick with a half ton, cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, cheaper replacement parts, better MPG.
4x4 are great, new I think it's dumb to buy 2wd they depreciate way faster, which makes used two wheel drives a great value, you can get some nice low mile 2wd for $6000-$8000
3/4 ton's are great too but, they all get crappy MPG, there more of a risk when buying used and more expensive to maintain
I think some people over do it getting 3/4 ton's, I have worked construction for years and seen many half ton's doing 3/4 ton jobs with no problems, including (but I do not recommend) pulling skidsteer's.
Bottom line is that your starting out and the truck you describe will be perfect for you.

Capemay Eagle
02-17-2008, 11:16 PM
You can look at a new 08 4.6 2wd for about $25,000. Should be what you are looking for..HP seems to be up from last year on 4.6 it is now 248. I think last year it was 231 HP for the 4.6.

KTM
02-17-2008, 11:34 PM
Should be able to get a stripped down 2wd with a V8 for way under $20,000

mike lane lawn care
02-17-2008, 11:36 PM
You can look at a new 08 4.6 2wd for about $25,000. Should be what you are looking for..HP seems to be up from last year on 4.6 it is now 248. I think last year it was 231 HP for the 4.6.

the ideal truck you were about to recommend for our young friend is a new 2008 toyota tundra right?

tb8100
02-18-2008, 12:08 AM
heres another question: If I were to go for a bigger truck(say f-250), is the base model(5.8 gas) really any better than a f-150 w/ a 5.4??

Money is a real issue here; also what do you think about getting an older f-250 diesel? Im leary about buying used because I dont know what the truck has been used for. What kind of gas mileage would one of those get since I will be using it as a personal vehichle as well?

3/4 tons have sturdier transmissions and rear ends in addition to better engines. The bigger engines tend to get better fuel economy when towing, and of course the diesels always get better economy.

stevenf
02-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Right now I have an 89 Bronco II with a 2.9L v6. Absolutely NO power with this thing as far as towing goes. Im really working hard toward, and 99% getting a 98 Ram 1500 with a v6. I will also stick with the 1/2 tons for quite a while. My plans are to not grow out of my 5x10 trailer for a while. Mabey towing a 48" ztr and 32-36" WB. A 1/2 ton will work for me just fine.

stevenf
02-18-2008, 12:36 AM
If your buying new, I would say a dodge is your best bet. They have a Lifetime power train warranty which comes in handy on engines and transmissions used for towing.

lopomon
02-18-2008, 01:01 AM
i just got a 2005 silverado 2500HD 4x4, 6.0 v8 with a top of the line plow, prob 5k+, never used for 19k :) came with powder coated wheel, after market exhaust, tonneua (sp?)cover, and rhino lining also. would turn around and sell it for a good profit but i know i wont find a better dea
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd254/jaljohn/DealerPicsThumbnail.jpg
that's the new EZ-mount x-press system

GSMOSS
02-18-2008, 01:59 AM
I don't disagree that a 1/2 ton will work, but it's gonna be more than 1k lbs plus trailer. If the 52 is a ZTR it's gonna 1k lbs by itself, 500 for WB and figure another 500-1000 for 2 21's, handhelds, gas, etc. Total with a 6X12 would be somewhere around 3-4k.

I do agree though that if you can swing it go for as much truck as you can afford. 3/4 ton will allow you to haul/pull a skid steer in the future, and 4wd will come in handy. Just last week I got stuck in my own back yard after a rain. Without 4wd it would have been there for a few days.

And for God's sake...GET AIR CONDITIONING!!!!

What type of 21" push mower weighs between 250-500 pounds? Must be a typing error. I just looked at 2007 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 at the dealership here for $14,500 brand new. That is before the incentives and it has a/c with a V-8. I know that this 1500 is not HD, but it is a good start. I mean I have been towing my equipment for 3 years now with a 1995 S-10 that was not in good shape to begin with and I do not have any problems other thn slow acceleration which should not be expected when towing(you know what I mean without lengthy explaination).

Scag48
02-18-2008, 04:09 AM
If you're buying new, get a half ton, it'll be cheaper in the long run. Better mileage and you'll get a new 1/2 ton for the price of a somewhat used 3/4 ton. Don't worry about 3,000 pounds of gear behind you, that is absolutely nothing, I laugh at you guys who think you just magically blow rear ends and trannies towing mowing trailers, what a joke. If they were good trucks to begin with, they could tow 3,000 pounds routinely no problem. Even if you do blow up a tranny or rear end, that's why you paid out the ass for a new truck in the first place, the warranty will take care of it. If you plan on doing ANY light landscaping and are transporting materials in the back of the truck, a 3/4 ton is definately the way to go. But if you're just pulling gear around, 1/2 ton will do it.

TXNSLighting
02-18-2008, 08:47 AM
Fords are hands down the best work truck available, especially cuz you can get a nice work interior. not dolled up like the others. Im going to look at a couple super cab short beds this week. all with the 5.4l. Just cant beat a ford. GMs and chevys are good. but fords can take a beating and just keep on goin. the ones im looking at are 04's and 05's. all with a 10,000 pound tow rating. ( obviously im not going to tow this much with em.) Thats why i have my diesel.

deere615
02-18-2008, 09:00 PM
i just got a 2005 silverado 2500HD 4x4, 6.0 v8 with a top of the line plow, prob 5k+, never used for 19k :) came with powder coated wheel, after market exhaust, tonneua (sp?)cover, and rhino lining also. would turn around and sell it for a good profit but i know i wont find a better dea
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd254/jaljohn/DealerPicsThumbnail.jpg
that's the new EZ-mount x-press system

That is a beautiful truck, the rims look awesome!

beano
02-18-2008, 09:53 PM
I have a 2000 silverado 1500 with just the 4.8 V8 in it and i pull a 7x18 enclosed just fine. Will it win any races...no, would it be nice sometimes to have a 3/4 ton.....yes but 1/2tons are way underrated. People say 3/4 tons the only way to go but if all your doing is towing a mowing trailer you'll be fine. Cheaper and cheaper in gas. Its the idiots that cant stop to change gears that tear up rear ends and transmissions. If you get a 1/2 ton with the towing package, most come with tranny coolers. You'll be fine

lawnboy dan
02-19-2008, 06:54 AM
toyota tundra-hands down the best 1/2 ton.

TXNSLighting
02-19-2008, 08:36 AM
toyota tundra-hands down the best 1/2 ton.

in your dreams!

Turf Commando
02-19-2008, 12:46 PM
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topsites
02-19-2008, 06:02 PM
Stop playing around and get a 3/4 ton, nobody said anything about it has to be a diesel and I know it's a money thing...
So you'll get more out of an older 3/4 ton than a newer 1/2 ton that costs the same $ upfront.

They're just hard to find, start looking.

overkill unless youre towing a skidsteer? with a 1k of mowers and a trailer, any truck will work.

My open 6x12 landscaping trailer empty weighs at least that much, a float-deck Wb another 500, a Ztr over a 1,000 easy.
Don't forget the hand helds and the tool box and what else adds another 3-400 right quick and you're up to 2,000 pounds just like that.
And what about mulch, unless you plan on just having a trailer for looks...

1/2 tons are a home owner's truck, best way I can put it.
They will not tolerate daily towing, they won't, 6 months to a year and that transmission is out of there, for most of us.

KTM
02-19-2008, 06:50 PM
from what I understand the guy was looking at 2wd strip down trucks, right now you can get a brand new chevy with a V8 for well under $20,000 I think A/C and disc player are standard now. New GM trucks come with a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty, that is a long time to not have to worry about any major expenses. My wife has had several different newer Chevy's for company vehicles, The 2wd V8's get great MPG and have alot more power than the same truck with 4x4, IF he was to go out and buy a used 3/4 ton and have problems it could nickel and dime a guy to death. Get the towing package and there will be no problem pulling 4,000-5,000 pound trailers regularly. You can even get plow prep package on the new regular cab 4x4's and that's harder on a truck than pulling with common sense.

lawnwizards
02-19-2008, 08:45 PM
6 months to a year and that transmission is out of there, for most of us.

i dont know how anyone can ruin a transmission in 6 months unless they are intentionally trying. like i said in an earlier post, i drove a 4 cylinder ranger for 4 years with no troubles.

Kennedy Landscaping
04-15-2008, 01:11 PM
First
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I own a 94' f-150 with 71,000 miles on it and it tows great.

FIRESCOOBY
04-15-2008, 01:49 PM
First
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I own a 94' f-150 with 71,000 miles on it and it tows great.

F First
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Sorry, I know it's childish, but I like playing along.

AndyTblc
04-15-2008, 10:57 PM
I bought a GMC 1500, it has 216,000 miles on it, still its original tranny, shifts great, motor runs great. Pulls like a charm, I have all my mowers behind me, and I give it some gas, and I can barley tell it's behind me. I pulled a boat a few miles, no problem. a big pop up camper, fine. I have the old body style 1999, and I strongly recomend that for a beginner truck. It does what I need it to do.

lawnboy dan
04-16-2008, 07:30 AM
well i just did my taxes-repairs for my chevy=890$ -repairs for my tundra=44$ . both driven same miles

Scag413
04-16-2008, 10:35 AM
I have a 1990 Ford F150 2wd 5-speed and I pull a 5x9 trailer that has a ztr (around 1,000lbs.) a commercial 21" (around 125lbs.). Now I realize that you will have more weight and a bigger trailer behind you than I do but a 1/2 ton truck will do fine. One thing you could do is add is air bags to your rear axle. I know these are more money but just something to think about because I have them on my truck and they do great when you have alot of weight behind you. Personally I would go with a 4x4 but if all you need is a 2wd it works fine. I am sure you know this but when I pull I leave it in 4th gear and don't shift into overdrive. I think that you will be fine with a 1/2 ton truck. Best of luck to you!

Heartland Lawn
04-18-2008, 09:52 PM
try to find a 3/4 Chevy/GMC 6.0 truck. Those trucks will run forever! But the suspension on a Ford is much tougher. Since you don't do any plowing, that probably isn't a big factor. I've owned both Ford and GM heavy dutys and they're both good trucks. But...if you're stuck on a half ton, buy a Ford Lightning!:laugh: They have F250 brakes, tranny and rear end. And WAY more HP and torque than any gas motor in any other truck for the money! And it'll tow 5000 lbs.

mybowtie
04-18-2008, 10:36 PM
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Sorry, I know it's childish, but I like playing along.

I Like...FR**IN OUT RITE DANGEROUS

Or.......FR**IN OLD RENAVATED DODGE

I had a 2000 F250 superduty gasser w/155k on it when i sold her. Was one of the best trucks ive owned. Was beat to the brink of death many times, but mannaged to pull through. Had chevys just as good. Get what fits u best. My last truck was a 05 1500 4x4 chevy. Pulled a 16' open with 2 60" ztrs with no problem. Slowed down on hills, but never let me down. :gmctruck:

ffemt1271
04-18-2008, 10:48 PM
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mag360
04-19-2008, 12:54 AM
We have four trucks at or over 8800lbs gvw---3 of them diesel. My latest purchase though, was an '08 dodge 1500 4x4. Transmission appears to be the same one they put in the 2500 and 3500 series gassers but it doesn't matter with the lifetime powertrain warranty. The tow/haul mode is very functional too. It's a win-win in my opinion---you get a cheaper truck with a better warranty and slightly better fuel economy than a 2500+. The rear shocks are almost nonexistent on these things though---a weight distributing hitch is a necessity for safe towing (without adding to the suspension and voiding the warranty). I'd recommend one as long as you can deal with the obnoxious electronic throttle delay.

Greybeard
04-20-2008, 03:33 PM
My work truck is an F350, and I need it to tow some heavy stuff. But if I were in your shoes, I'd buy a new half-ton with a warranty. Small V8 and automatic. As far as brands, I'd go with Chevy, as they get great MPGs in the 1500 and they tow fine. I borrow one occasionally and pull a 3000 lb. boat. Otherwise it's a toss-up. The Ford offers both the 4.6 and the 5.4 in the F150. It's a good truck.
The dealers are all hurting right now, so you should get a good price. Also there's cheap financing. A new truck is pretty much a no-risk deal. A used 3/4 or 1-ton without a warranty can be a big, big money pit. Especially if you don't know its history. Good luck.