New Cat articulated 4x4

[Fieldman12]

I would love to run one of these new Cat tractors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8POBYOzG9A

[Gravel Rat]

There really is nothing much difference from that and a skidder which Cat has been building for years. A skidder sees harder service than a farm tractor. When is a farm tractor running over rough terrian or working on steep grades.

Cat will market it to the farmers as a revolutionary idea and charge them lots :laugh:

[cat2]

lots of money there

[Gravel Rat]

What is each tire worth ?

You have 8 tires they got to be 2500-3000 each maybe more.

[Dirt Digger2]

they look a little bigger then an 18.4-38 tire...thats whats on my tractor and the tire alone is in the $700-$800 range

[BIGBEN2004]

That is nothing but an ADCO tractor painted yellow. ADCO bought out Cat's agricultural side and they just use the line's of tractors and equipment they already run now in different colors.

http://www.newholland.com/h4/products/products_series_detail.asp?Reg=NA&RL=ENNA&NavID=000001277003&series=8062911

[Tigerotor77W]

Agco produces the Cat line now (not Adco).

http://www.challenger-ag.com/agco/Challenger/ChallengerNA/WheeledTractors/MT900B.htm

[bobcat_ron]

So what's with those tanks behind the disc implement?

[BIGBEN2004]

Yea thats what I meant was AGCO not ADCO. My mistake. Also if you want to see the largest tractor ever built it is the BIG BUD 747.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAG-KDqb_Qc
http://www.williamsbigbud.com/index.htm

My parents went out to meet the Williams brothers and to see the BIG BUD 747 and they said it was massive. It is trully the one and only of its kind.

[meets1]

Tanks are anydrous amoni(spelling) that they incorperate into the field.

I liked the video though but I wonder how they compare to JD 4 wheelers. That is all you see around my area. A few cats with tracks but mainly JD's.

[Fieldman12]

Yes, the Challenger line is owned by Agco but Im thinking that Cat is doing the service work. I know for a fact Cat is doing the service work on the Rogator sprayers. These look like the metric tires on this 4x4. We bought new tires back in 1995 for a John Deere articulated 8640 4x4 and the total price was $5,500.00. Im guessing these would be between 8 to 10,000.00 total. As other stated the tanks are anhydrous amonia tanks. It can be very deadly if your not careful. I have seen the Big Bud 747 tractor. It is a beast. This Cat 4x4 is a total new design that is not offered in any color or brands in the AGCO brand. It is a beast as I have seen it in person.

[CarterKraft]

The new 900 series of Challengers are complete redesigns by AGCO and CAT. They have massive everything.

I don't know first hand nor do I have any John Deere knowledge but according to the marketing comparison bulletins that we get for the 900 to 9030 series tractors it's hands down Challenger. Things like 20% bigger axle shafts, drive shafts rated for twice the torque, and then the issue of weight and horse power/torque.

pasted from the bulletin:
Power Growth 8% Up to 10% The Caterpillar engines in the MT900B series will
maintain power over a wider range of operating
conditions. The MT975B at rated power provides up
to 635 peak hp when pulled down to 1800 rpm to
deliver up to 9% more power than Deere’s largest
offering of 583 peak HP (9630)
Torque Rise 42%
@ 1400 RPM
Up to 38%
@ 1650
With as much as 34% more engine displacement, the
Caterpillar ACERT engines can provide 11% more
torque rise than the Deere 9030. Deere promotes
that they reach peak torque faster, which is not
necessarily a good thing. If there is a very tough
spot in the field and the engine lugs down, the 9030
series runs out of torque at 1650 RPM where the
MT900B series will continue to see torque growth all
the way down to 1400 RPM. This allows the MT900B
series to pull through areas where the 9030 would
have to downshift.
Peak Torque 1862 ft-lbs
(MT965B)
2040 ft-lbs
(MT975B)
1850 ft-lbs
(9630)
Higher displacement gives the Caterpillar engines a
much deeper torque reserve. The maximum torque
offered by the MT900B series is 9% greater than
Deere’s largest.

[ksss]

The new 900 series of Challengers are complete redesigns by AGCO and CAT. They have massive everything.

I don't know first hand nor do I have any John Deere knowledge but according to the marketing comparison bulletins that we get for the 900 to 9030 series tractors it's hands down Challenger. Things like 20% bigger axle shafts, drive shafts rated for twice the torque, and then the issue of weight and horse power/torque.

pasted from the bulletin:
Power Growth 8% Up to 10% The Caterpillar engines in the MT900B series will
maintain power over a wider range of operating
conditions. The MT975B at rated power provides up
to 635 peak hp when pulled down to 1800 rpm to
deliver up to 9% more power than Deere’s largest
offering of 583 peak HP (9630)
Torque Rise 42%
@ 1400 RPM
Up to 38%
@ 1650
With as much as 34% more engine displacement, the
Caterpillar ACERT engines can provide 11% more
torque rise than the Deere 9030. Deere promotes
that they reach peak torque faster, which is not
necessarily a good thing. If there is a very tough
spot in the field and the engine lugs down, the 9030
series runs out of torque at 1650 RPM where the
MT900B series will continue to see torque growth all
the way down to 1400 RPM. This allows the MT900B
series to pull through areas where the 9030 would
have to downshift.
Peak Torque 1862 ft-lbs
(MT965B)
2040 ft-lbs
(MT975B)
1850 ft-lbs
(9630)
Higher displacement gives the Caterpillar engines a
much deeper torque reserve. The maximum torque
offered by the MT900B series is 9% greater than
Deere’s largest.


Sounds like it will almost run with a Stieger.:cool2:

[Tigerotor77W]

Sounds like it will almost run with a Stieger.:cool2:

A what? A Stieger?

Or do you mean a Steiger? :P

[ksss]

A what? A Stieger?

Or do you mean a Steiger? :P

Yes I do. The i before e except after t as in Steiger gets me every time.:hammerhead:

[Tigerotor77W]

Yes I do. The i before e except after t as in Steiger gets me every time.:hammerhead:

Haha, just jokin' with you. :)

[meets1]

Farmers in my area are all deere. There may be red or blue machine here. A few guys have cat's with tracks on them mainly full pulling 1200 bushel grain wagons thru the field and for disk ripping or zone building. They claim in comparision to a deere track machine - hands down cat. But when it comes to tractors - deere rules. The deere dealer has all inventory sold thru this fall. They claim best season they have ever seen and a nice problem to have. I enjoy this thread - takes alittle away from lawn care/landscape/construction threads!

[qps]

Hey..we like tractors too,,,,I don't have a deere but I do have a Kubota subcompact L4610...good little machine....

[Dirt Digger2]

the ethonal and bio-diesel has a lot to do with it. You are seeing huge increases in price-per-bushel, but at the same time fuel, fertilizer, and equipment cost is skyrocketing too. I guess its more of a double edged sword. All i know is this summer we will be fetching over $4 a bale for little bale hay, and thats not half bad.

[Fieldman12]

Hay around here has been bringing $7.00 a bale and up. Yes the ethanol and bio-diesel is what is making the grain prices go up. We have been hearing reports that cash rent could go as high as $250.00 to $300.00 per acre in some areas. There is already reports of it happening. That is just crazy prices. Give it some time here things will level off. We had some pretty serious talks last week on grain prices (especially corn) we doubt they go over $6.00 because then they would be no benefit to making it into fuel because all the expenses. Another issue at this time is it is only a 15% blend when added to gasoline. Where thinking things will be good for a few years then prices will start dropping down. We will all have to see how this shakes out. Case IH and Deere around here as others have stated are sold out of new combines and big tractors. These people should be putting this money away instead of blowing it. Times will get tough again in farming. I guess what Im gettting at is some of these people will end up hanging them selves if not careful.

[ksss]

Hay around here has been bringing $7.00 a bale and up. Yes the ethanol and bio-diesel is what is making the grain prices go up. We have been hearing reports that cash rent could go as high as $250.00 to $300.00 per acre in some areas. There is already reports of it happening. That is just crazy prices. Give it some time here things will level off. We had some pretty serious talks last week on grain prices (especially corn) we doubt they go over $6.00 because then they would be no benefit to making it into fuel because all the expenses. Another issue at this time is it is only a 15% blend when added to gasoline. Where thinking things will be good for a few years then prices will start dropping down. We will all have to see how this shakes out. Case IH and Deere around here as others have stated are sold out of new combines and big tractors. These people should be putting this money away instead of blowing it. Times will get tough again in farming. I guess what Im gettting at is some of these people will end up hanging them selves if not careful.

You know they should save it but they cant. No different than pushing dirt or anything else that you see big revenue and high costs. The tax books prevent you from saving. This last year saw 14 dollar barley here. The problem is say they have a mil. in the bank, Uncle Sam will want a third of that. So to differ the tax they spend it. "I would rather have a new tractor (or track hoe) than pay the gov. 333K". The system is not set up to encourage responsible money management. It is set up to encourage spending to keep money moving as well as goods flowing. Sorry, I digress.

[KTM]

Making fuel out of corn and soybeans is stupid, we will all pay in the end, wait until steak cost as much as seafood and a gallon of milk is 6.00. I see no sense in these fuels. Sorry if I offended any of you farmers, my in-laws are farmers. There is just know way we can be using grain to make fuel. And fore get ever trying to buy land.

[Dirt Digger2]

i don't see a point in it either, it costs more to turn corn to alcohol then it does to drill into the ground. I in no way make my living off the land, we sell hay as a side gig and the money sure is great. Its nice to see farmers finally getting money out of the deal but it is a real shame to go to the fuel pump and pay for diesel, or go buy a bag of fertilizer or seed. We will be selling our second cutting hay this year for probably $5 a bale, and that may sound good when you have 2000 bales per cutting to sell for mostly profit (all our equipment is paid for) but when you take out the fertilizer, fuel, seed and maintenance it isn't a whole heck of a lot more then two years ago when we were getting $3.50 for a bale but everything else was cheaper...its just a whole trend and reason the dollar is getting weaker, but i don't know enough in this subject to talk, so i wont.


KSSS i agree, if you have the money spend it before the government dips its hands in there...nothing like busting your ass for the first 2 hours of a day to pay some welfare recipient to stand on a street corner

[meets1]

Rent in my area is up to $250 - $325 - based off of yield of the field. The other day there was a farm sale and 180 acres went for $9150/acre.

[BIGBEN2004]

I have heard it takes 3 gallons of fuel to make 1 gallon of ethenal fuel. Just doesn't make sense to me. It takes fuel to grow the crop and fuel to harvest it, haul it, clean it, dry it, process it, and haul it a couple more times. Allot of fuel just to do that.

[Construct'O]

Making fuel out of corn and soybeans is stupid, we will all pay in the end, wait until steak cost as much as seafood and a gallon of milk is 6.00. I see no sense in these fuels. Sorry if I offended any of you farmers, my in-laws are farmers. There is just know way we can be using grain to make fuel. And fore get ever trying to buy land.

As far as the cost of the food thing whine about the oil company not a farmer for the problem.The cost of the food has more to do witht the cost of transportation cost then what is actually going to the farmer.Fuel prices!

Which in turn goes back to the oil company.Look how many million the oil companies show every quarter for profit.So don't whine about a farmer,whine about the oil company.

As as far as land prices again don't blame the farmer,it's okay that the land developers can sell the land for thousands of dollars ,but when it come to a the farmer,it like it's a crime.Plus 80 % of the land is being bought around here by land speculators,not farmers!!!!!!!!!!

As said above the cost of raising what you eat is going up because of the cost passed down to the farmer for his fuel,fertilzier,repairs,cost of equipment,cash rent, and so.

It just comes down to which one you what more high priced oil or high priced food.

Lets face it we are all in cacth 22 right now!!!!!!!! Please just don't whine on the farmer,he's not the problem,oil companies are.Period!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry just needed to get the record straight.:walking:

[Dirt Digger2]

thats why i want to start drilling for my own oil :drinkup:

[KTM]

Construct'o When was I whining about farmer's? I'm married into a very big farm family. It is not the farmers fault that they are using grain to make fuel. Construction of a big bio- diesel plant has shut down because of the cost of beans. And I disagree that the cost of food has risen to what it has because of oil prices, they have risen a little because of that but, the main reason is that we are using the country's and the world's food supply to make fuel. There is A ethanol plant a few miles away and I see how much grain goes into there. Farmer's were excited when corn reached $3.50 now it is well over $5.00. They are making great money, but like Ksss said uncle sam makes it so you can't save it.

[meets1]

I agree with KTM. My in-laws are farmers, not big land owners but alot of cattle - actually raise cattle for dairies. All there son-laws are in farming along with there 2 son's. Me - I'm on lawnsite! Thing is - they always talk about the government subsidy program and the need for 2 mailboxes. Now I realize with prices, the LDP is out the window but what they don't receive from the government is unbelievable. If I had a dry year, etc no check is coming my way. The amount of machinery, buildings, fixing old buildings that they don't do just to spend the money boggels me. I think there is a website - enviromental working group - they post receipts what farmers receive for specific crop or year. Interesting if you know some farmers and see what they don't get paid. And now with the new farm bill capping the amount a farmer can receive - I know a few large operations that are makiing themselves look as though they are a corp, llc, individual, and partner business - that way each entity is paid the same - it will actually work in there favor.

[Fieldman12]

ksss, I do agree to an extent if the equipment is needed and yes I would rather put the money in my pocket than uncle sams. If they could buy what little land they could afford and down the road it would be worth much more than the equipment that is wearing out. I guess that is what Im getting at. Also around here allot of people split farms up into several businesses such as a LLC to help save more money from going to taxes and to help qualify for government payments back. What Im getting at there is other ways to put the money in your pocket that is legal and a much better return on your money than paint. I think ethanol is a good thing but we need to make a more better blend.