Forum Slams and Attacks

[lbmd1]

I don't know about the rest of you , but I'm growing tired of Lawrence Stone's constant attacks on everyone here seeking help. His latest in the pre-emergent post attack on slager and the rest of us is just too much for me to sit back and take it. Are we going to let this one person disrupt every forum of people truely interested in learning about this business. What have we learned from him? That we are scums of the earth, dogs waiting for table scraps!!!!! What the f$#@ does that have to do with helping people??? It is just a blatent attack on those who don't make rocket scientist work out of our profession. He has stated over and over what losers we are, and he threatens to leave every week but he keeps coming back like a bad penny. I don't want people to feel intimidated by putting up a posting asking a simple question and getting their A$# ripped off. Do we really want that? Younger guys starting off asking for help only to realize that if they don't have a PHD in B.S. they don't belong here. We are all here to learn and share, not to hurt and attack others and their wives and families!! Lawrence Stone has repeatedly avoided all questions asked of him about his illustrious career. He only offers put downs. Why is that? Is he afraid of being treated the same way he treats others? We are what makes up this board. Don't let one person spoil it. I myself am not a dog waiting for table scraps and am offended that he is allowed to talk at others this way!! <br>

[Dennis]

I am not much of a great lawncare person(but learning)however, due to my 19 years in a factory and 4yrs military,know that Mr. stone is getting excatly what he wants!!(attention)the best thing we can do is just ignore ALL of his meanderings and continue right by him and his posts as they do not exist. he will either get tired of playing or become a productive helper.<br>just my Idea!! thanks

[Charles]

I think sensitivity level is getting too high here. I banter somtimes back and forth with larry, but its not done in anger. My customers throw me more zingers than he does. Life is about learning how to deal with all types of people. Some people you just learn to ignore. Some people you just zing back at and go on. But this stuff about banning everything some people find distasteful should'nt be happening in a free country. It is not healthy to try and sanitise the world. And it is impossible to do so.<br>

[lickity]

I sometimes look forward to &quot;Cold <br>Stones&quot; posts. Brings a little flavor to <br>the table after hours of reading and <br>breaks up the routine. I don't think <br>that many of you take him serious and <br>newbies like me will soon realize that.<br>He does get me to chuckle the way he can <br>stir things up but still has some <br>helpful insights,errr..whatever, anyway <br>every Mayberry needs a Barney.

[SLSNursery]

For starters, I agree with Dennis. I would, however, like to make the following comment.<p>In our economy, which is a Market Economy, based on Capitalism, there are all types of businesses and business people. If you do not like another person's way of doing business, you do not need to work for or with them, or buy from them. It is not worth being antagonized by any one person, or type of person, because all types exist around you, no matter where your business is. You just may not know it, or have not met these people yet. You can not remove them from business, so why think about removing them from discussions. I am enlightened, and often find other people's view points interesting. If one person's system works well for them, then more power to him/her; furthermore, I would expect them to be proud as a peacock. You may find that some people like their Toros, Dixie Choppers, or Lazers. Fine with me, I don't use any of those machines, but I might one day, and that isn't going to be based upon how each person here conveyed their message. Sure, some people have a harsh way of communicating, but as in life, if you wouldn't talk to that person, then don't do it here, and don't let them get you fired up. Instead, listen to what they say, and think about yourself, and your approach. What can you do to make yourself a better person or business after viewing what other people do. I am fascinated about how other people view the same situations as me, and how they respond diffently to those situations. If you are confident in you abilities, and satisfied with your approach to business, then one man's opinion should NEVER make you falter. Use that person's opinions and lessons to make your foundation stronger!<p>----------<br>Phil Grande - Soundview Landscape Supply - http://members.aol.com/slsnursery<br>Ivy League Landscaping - http://members.aol.com/scagrider

[lbmd1]

I don't think that making insulting remarks to people of spanish descent, calling people stupid, and comparing other people of our profession scums of the earth is being too sensitive. I myself can take the rips he dishes out and I give it right back to him. Maybe I feel that the silent people who visit our forum that don't come back because of him is unfair to all, not just the tough-skinned. I'm sure that the ones who post for the first time and get ripped for their lack of knowledge will think twice before ever posting again. Is that the way we welcome others to our forum? I'm sorry, I haven't seen &quot;much&quot; constructive advice from him versus the negative. Isn't there a reason why he's been kicked out of forums before???<br>Just my 2 cents.

[GeoffDiamond]

hate to invade the forum again. We have a guy in Maine that thinks he is the best lawn care guy out there. He goes around and makes fun of every other companies equipment and trucks, company names ect. His company is the best, why? All new trucks, all new walkers, all new trimmers blowers ect, fancy uniforms, cell phones. To bad he doesn't own any of that stuff, and runs the rest of the business off of credit cards.<p>Geoff

[Charles]

New people to this &quot;if you can't handle Larry you are going to have a hard time handleing the sometimes crazy public&quot; I had one time an elderly woman tell me that people must think they are better than me because I cut grass for a living. You know elderly people can throw many zingers. I am just saying if you are going to serve the public. You need to learn to have thick skin. Just ignore what you don't like and comment on what you do. Thats what a forum is all about.

[imowit]

I read everything that is posted in this forum. I try to remember what information might be of use to my business. The rest I ignore. &quot;That's all I have to say about that.&quot;<p>----------<br>Mike's Lawn Service<br>

[slagerlawncare]

lbmd1<br>ignore him...<br>take whats valuable and leave the rest.<p>have a great day!<p>----------<br>rick<br>slager

[Retro67]

We are in a free country, true. When you break the law, they don't ignore it because you are in a free country. When you abuse other's freedom and impede their success, that isn't a right or freedom granted to U.S. citizens. &lt;p&gt;I banned him from our forum at Delphi and he came back under a different name, much as he has here. He soon ran back here and harassed everyone. &lt;p&gt;He posted a picture of a mentally challenged person saying it was &quot; a fascist forum moderator&quot; whom everyone knew he was implying was me. How would you like to be this handicapped person's father or brother and know the picture was used in this fashion. Do you think &quot;free country&quot; would be in your first sentence you spoke after seeing your son's picture being used to ridicule another? &lt;p&gt;He posted a threat on his forum saying he was going to post my name and city in usenet groups trying to attract gays to my house. Wanna know what they call that in Illinois? Stalking, carries 6-30 years, I believe.&lt;p&gt;Wanna know why he does this? His forum was and is a flop. Nobody to listen to his mouth.&lt;p&gt; He's insulted well over 100 of my guests on the Delphi forum through other posts he placed on his own forum.&lt;p&gt; He's the wannbe he tries to portray everyone else as. Otherwise, why would he have to travel 60 miles one way to service anything, under any circumstances. &lt;p&gt;If you haven't found yourself harassed for the last couple of months by this character, consider yourself lucky. Don't defend his actions.&lt;p&gt;John

[Finecut]

What I wonder about is why Chuck puts up with his antics? Is he afraid of reprisals? Or has it just become an economic type of thing where we are just another click on his counter? I don't mean to cast aspersions your way Chuck, but this disruption has been going on to long. Have we become cut-bait for another click? NOW is the time for this to end! If not those that don't want to be attacked and ridiculed because of their stupid question (who heard of a stupid question) here will need to find a place where Lawrence Stone can't attack them. And there are such places! We all started at the bottom and have had to work our way up and antagonistic remarks and verbal attacks aren't teaching - they are destroying self-esteem - which appears to be Larry's game plan. He is evidently an unhappy person and wants others to share in his misery.

[Likestomow]

I am a newcomer to this business, but not to life. I have been &quot;lurking&quot; and reading everything I can. I even make notes! I don't mind learning from anyone, as long as the advise makes good business sense, and of course, common sense.<p>I can remember when I was younger I would react as some of the fellows do here, and that is to be expected, isn't it? But the longer I live, the more I understand that it's okay to have all those different opinions. And when I keep my mind open I find that I can even learn some things from those who make me bristle.<p>Sometimes I think there is too much testosterone flowing around here… I know I battle that problem from time to time… doesn't everyone?

[thelawnguy]

I have found lots of good information in his posts. Some of his attacks, in my opinion, are justified. We're supposed to be professionals, Ive been doing this line of business for a while, I can see thru the smoke some of you guys are blowing up others keesters, I think larry is just clearing the haze for those out there who are not as perceptive. <p>If you dont like what he has to say, pass over his posts, dont go to his forum, otherwise, let the rest of us glean what we want from this forum without censorship. Otherwise all we will have here is discussion about what color trimmer line is the best.<p>Time to start seeing the forest from the trees folks.<p>Bill

[Administrator]

Hello,<p>Stone, AKA Flint is like a bad rash. If you guys would stop scratching he would go away but since you scratch his itch it gets worse. <p>Ive had it with him. If he makes one more attack or friendly &quot;jab&quot; please email me at chuck@globalreaction.com and I will ban his posts and report him to his ISP. <p>Please Lawrence... keep your posts are a pro level and avoid losing your posting privileges. You have a lot of great feedback and comments but your attacks have to stop.<br>

[JJ Lawn]

Yes this is a free country and you have the right of free speech. But this forum is not part of any government so free speech does not apply here. I say if the larry keeps up with his asinine posts than ban him again, and keep him banned until he can be a contributing member of this forum. I have not seem a whole lot of contributing from him except to run us all down.<p>I agree with lbmd1 that larry does keep new members from posting to this board. I don't post a lot because I figure, whats the point, he's just going to call me a dolt, loser or something else. And if I defend myself then a bunch of guys say that if I can't take it I sould leave? BS. He does not answer questions, he makes statements and demands. He is a bully and he needs to be delt with just as I would if he worked in my <br>&quot;pudunk&quot; area.<p>And I am also tired of his personal attacks. <p>jim

[Retro67]

Likestomow-<p>Apparently you missed my previous post. Are threats part of a &lt;b&gt;differing opinion&lt;/b&gt;? My opinion on this subject is different than yours, but I haven't threatened to send unwanted homosexual advances your way as Larry did to me. How about posting pictures representing me as someone other than who I am? I get no value from this. It has negatively affected three forums.&lt;p&gt;Would it be censorship if you were wondering who might show up at your door?<br>&lt;p&gt;<p>Apparently, discussing losing time due to down time with trimmer line isn't important. I lost a bunch of time using aftermarket trimmerline, but thelawnguy doesn't think that warrants mention.&lt;p&gt;John&lt;p&gt;PS You are sometimes as condescending as Larry, Bill. I wonder if you are one and the same person. If you aren't him, you should be insulted to be mistaken for him and watch your smart remarks. By the way, Chuck will correct me if I'm wrong, but this forum is designed for people of all ability levels, not just professionals like yourself. Blow smoke at that.<br>

[Retro67]

While we are on the topic of censorship, let's all of us realize that people are silenced because they don't feel like they are in a friendly environment where it's ok to ask an ignorant question. The difference between ignorance and stupidity is, stupid is forever.&lt;p&gt;John

[Charles]

I was not defending anyone. I agree that threats, slander, racial remarks(in my opinion) have no place in this forum or in this world for that matter. If anyone crosses these lines I would like to think they would be banned. I just havn't witness this kinda behavior for myself. But if you have Retro I can understand your point. But just what do you think gays are going to do when they come to your house? Bake a Cake or something? See how silly that threat is?<br>

[Finecut]

Bill,<p>Beg to differ with you, I respect you opinion but Lawrence clears up nothing, all he does is roil the water and muddy the issues in his attempts to show his superiority. As far as staying off his forum there is nothing offered there why would one go anyway? Another sign of his inability to deal well with others. Perhaps some masochistic soul will wander there for self satisfaction. And also Bill look over your shoulder that smoke behind you may have been blown up there by none other than Lawrence Stone.<br>