Cold weather excavation photos

[ksss]

Here is some photos of* a current project.** The hole is 5000 square feet, 10-10 walls.* No place to put material.* Frost is 2.5' in places.* All material moved with 465.* Granted I would have used a wheel loader but not enough room to navigate.* All utilies are subbed into the hole dimensions meaning, that everything has to be exposed and cut back. The actually building dim. are 5' less than the lot size if that better explains it. If anyone would dare put their MTL in that rock and move 1500 yards of material bring it on.

[cat2]

Nice job so far. That 465 can move some dirt:cool2::cool2:

[bobcat_ron]

Nice hole, so I take it the hoe was used to dig and the skid used to move it further?

[P.Services]

nice work, your kodiak is the tits!!!

[ksss]

Nice hole, so I take it the hoe was used to dig and the skid used to move it further?

Ya we used the skid to move the material from the hole. The big pile of material is the site of another building as soon as we can get it moved. There was just no place to put material. The Apache plus 5 on the hoe was nice for checking grade, magnetic mounts to the arm. Got it pretty close. The 465 operator was working his azz off to keep up.

[BIGBEN2004]

Was their room for a ramp out of the hole? If so a Cat 953C could have dug it, carried it, and stock piled it all with only one operator, half the fuel, and faster also.

[RockSet N' Grade]

What was the process you used to bid that? By the yard? Sq.ft. price?

[ksss]

Was their room for a ramp out of the hole? If so a Cat 953C could have dug it, carried it, and stock piled it all with only one operator, half the fuel, and faster also.

The ramp in the photo was to walk down and not put a machine down. You don't see those out here and I would rather run an excavator, not to mention the costs of those machines is unreal. The undercarriage would have been working in straight pitrun. I know out East you guys use those tracked loaders a lot. Whatever the reason you don't see them here. It also would not have worked well in exposing all the utilities which are in this hole.

[RockSet N' Grade]

BigBen....for $128,000 you can buy one used 953C and have one piece of iron. for the same money or less you can have a skid, hoe, trailer and truck with a bit more versatility. i would guess that you could even say a 300 sized hoe would have been faster with a loader, but the name of the game in your geographic area is versatility, flexibility and figuring out a performance to cost formula that works.

[grassmanvt]

Was their room for a ramp out of the hole? If so a Cat 953C could have dug it, carried it, and stock piled it all with only one operator, half the fuel, and faster also.

You rarely see those here as well. Anyhow, he's got a excavator and skids, so why use anything else? Use what you've got and keep putting money in your pocket. No need to buy or rent one piece because it might work a little better on one job, right.

[kreft]

Nice work!

[ksss]

You rarely see those here as well. Anyhow, he's got a excavator and skids, so why use anything else? Use what you've got and keep putting money in your pocket. No need to buy or rent one piece because it might work a little better on one job, right.

That was my thought. I pondered renting a wheel loader initially as it would have been tight but managable before we dug out alot of material, and had it been later in the year with tighter time schedules I likely would have if only for a day. However this time of the year we have more time than money to spend on rentals.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Yea Ksss, nice work........QPS told me you spent all day doctoring that up with photoshop to make it look like winter up there and like the floor was flat :)

[ksss]

Yea Ksss, nice work........QPS told me you spent all day doctoring that up with photoshop to make it look like winter up there and like the floor was flat :)

I spent an hour just relearning to resize these pictures. Altering whats in them is way beyond my abilities. However if I could I likely would have shown a CAT in the bucket of the 465 dumping it into the spoil pile.:cool2:

[RockSet N' Grade]

Does the Apache 5 have the 30 degree swing ability to keep grade or is that just the 6 model?

[BIGBEN2004]

The only reason I said about a 953C is because in my area they are used for almost any type of excavating. They are very popular around here. I don't own one and don't plan too any time soon since they cost too much but I do rent them to do basements where I have enough room to ramp out or if I am loading trucks all day.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Different geographic areas use different stuff. When I lived in Calif. (way back when) all we used was a 977 with a 4/1 bucket for everything......but then that was back in the stoned age.

[stuvecorp]

The 465 looks like it has bucket with an extra extention on the back, how many trips did that save? Looks good.

[qps]

I could have dug that hole with just my 297:weightlifter:

[ksss]

The 465 looks like it has bucket with an extra extention on the back, how many trips did that save? Looks good.

I am not sure what the capacity is of that bucket but heaped it has to be around a yard I am thinking.

[ksss]

Does the Apache 5 have the 30 degree swing ability to keep grade or is that just the 6 model?



The compensating ARC your refering to is greatest on the 6 (30 degrees) the plus 5 is more of machine control receiver. The accuracy range is 15 degrees which is pretty straight up and down. Once this 5 ends up on a laser grader I will replace it with a 6 for use exclusively on the excavator. It was bid by the square foot. There will be some additional charges for the frost.

[ksss]

I could have dug that hole with just my 297:weightlifter:


Without a doubt, but at one undercarriage per hole that gets expensive Tim.:dizzy:

[Fieldman12]

I like the pics and looks like you did a great job digging it. This may be a dumb question but I am trying to learn. What is the tarps for in all the corners?

[Fieldman12]

Heck I dont even care if it is cold. I wish I was there digging.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Fieldman......thats where he messed up with photoshop :) I would assume those are concrete blankets or frost prevention type units.....

[dozerman21]

Different geographic areas use different stuff. When I lived in Calif. (way back when) all we used was a 977 with a 4/1 bucket for everything......but then that was back in the stoned age.

Were you also using a VW Beetle van with psychadelic colors to pull the 977 around? :laugh::drinkup:

[Fieldman12]

I can tell you around here I see Cat crawler loaders every where anymore. They have made a big come back. I just saw a new D series Cat last week.

[bobcat_ron]

I just saw a new 973D LGP on a lowbed yesterday, man those loaders are massive!

[BIGBEN2004]

Yea a 973D is a big heavy expensive machine. I always want to try a 973 out one day. I like the 953 and 963's allot but a 973 is allot bigger.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Dozerman....you caught that.....and no it wasn't a Beetle! It was a '72 blue and white camper van with an ice box, sink, curtains and fold down back seat!! Lots of use....a multi-purpose unit for sure....slower than molassas up hill and a dragster downhill.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Can't remember if I tried to pull the loader with the van or not.....have to ask someone who remembers.....but it would not surprise me one bit if it was not tried. I do remember crushing a brown Pinto with the 977 though.

[ksss]

I like the pics and looks like you did a great job digging it. This may be a dumb question but I am trying to learn. What is the tarps for in all the corners?


Yes they are concrete blankets to keep the ground from freezing. I hope the concrete guys concur on the dig. There is not alot of overdig. They will complain I am sure, but I didn't spec the building or the lot. There was just no room. They are going to have to think thin to put those panels in place.

[KTM]

Ksss, what do dump trucks cost in your area? when ever we have a job that tight we get a couple trucks to haul off site, saves complaints from cement heads. Concrete pumps cost a lot around here, but dump trucks run cheap.

[qps]

Without a doubt, but at one undercarriage per hole that gets expensive Tim.:dizzy:

Dang...you got me on that one:cry:...on a side note the local CASE salesman...(him and DM21 are best buds) left me another nice CASE hat...no ear rings for the Mrs. but I am gonna bring in a 450CT and line in up beside the CAT and see who comes out on top....ya know what he told be CAT stood for???

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I don't think I like this guy:laugh:

[cat2]

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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[ksss]

Ksss, what do dump trucks cost in your area? when ever we have a job that tight we get a couple trucks to haul off site, saves complaints from cement heads. Concrete pumps cost a lot around here, but dump trucks run cheap.

The tightness came from the dimensions on the lot verse the building which did not leave any room for the overdig of the foundation. We made room for the material. I could have trucked off at the same time but then I would have needed an other excavator or loader to load trucks. We made do. We have about 4 left on it if the ground heater did its job over the weekend. We will start hauling off this week. Should keep my truck busy all week I think.

[P.Services]

Dang...you got me on that one:cry:...on a side note the local CASE salesman...(him and DM21 are best buds) left me another nice CASE hat...no ear rings for the Mrs. but I am gonna bring in a 450CT and line in up beside the CAT and see who comes out on top.

hey thats something i want to hear about, i have never talked to anyone that has ran the 450ct. make sure you take some pics to. i also want to put a 332 deere up against a 297.

[ksss]

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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

That is funny. Much more funny than Cant Attempt Serious Excavation. But that may just be me.:waving:

I would be interested to see the comparison of the 297C and the 450CT. It would be a good match. I hope by the time that happens they bring out the Series 3 machine. I don't want to hear any complaining about the cab (lord knows I have done enough of it).:dizzy:

[dozerman21]

Dang...you got me on that one:cry:...on a side note the local CASE salesman...(him and DM21 are best buds) left me another nice CASE hat...no ear rings for the Mrs. but I am gonna bring in a 450CT and line in up beside the CAT and see who comes out on top....ya know what he told be CAT stood for???

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I don't think I like this guy:laugh:


Let me know when so I can help judge. I doubt the current 450CT will fair as well... tell him to wait for a Series 3 to come in and that should be a better match-up.

If you really want to make it interesting I can bring my CT332 over and we can have a Royal Rumble!:cool2::weightlifter:

[stuvecorp]

Is it easy to set up an excavator with the laser? I have not seen anybody around here with that, seems like a nice way to be right on or double check.

[ksss]

Is it easy to set up an excavator with the laser? I have not seen anybody around here with that, seems like a nice way to be right on or double check.

It works pretty well. There are a few tricks to it. It saves having a guy standing in the hole with a grade rod and it beats getting out of the machine to check grade.



http://www.apache-laser.com/product/machine.htm

The above attaches to a a rod shaped magnet which attaches to the stick on the excavator. You need to keep the arm within 15 degrees of plumb with the 5 plus and 30 degrees with the 6 model. Set it up the laser like you would to shoot grade with any other receiver. I roll the bucket all the way back so it is the same everytime and when the tip of the teeth are on grade I adjust the Apache to read off the laser. TO check grade from there out I roll the bucket as above, keep the stick near plumb and when the light is green on the Apache your on grade. The arrows show whether your high or low. The Apache and the magnet cost about 2K. It is paid for itself easily.

[qps]

Let me know when so I can help judge. I doubt the current 450CT will fair as well... tell him to wait for a Series 3 to come in and that should be a better match-up.

If you really want to make it interesting I can bring my CT332 over and we can have a Royal Rumble!:cool2::weightlifter:

Yeah...be like a smack down of track machines....:weightlifter:

[bobcatexc]

KSSS I hope the concrete guys concur on the dig. There is not alot of overdig. They will complain I am sure,

I hope there's no concrete guys here, but man I wish I had a penny for ever time I heard some cry baby concrete guy. In area were one of the biggest excavating contractor and do pretty quality work, but our concrete subcontractor b**ch about every little thing! I hate when there on my job and have to deal with them, because I know I'll have to hold their hand for everything, but they come in and getter done quick.

KSSS, how many employees you got workin for you and is that all your equipment and trucks listed at bottom?

[Stillwater]

you should put your name and logo on the arm

[wanabe]

Well I have throwen my fair share of aluminum forms in my life time. Please don't judge concrete workers until you get in the hole and throw arround 120LB 3'x8' wall forms every day. Try to lift them over your head, and then throw them over a 9' wall when you are stripping out! Just wait till it rains and the walls fall in. Now you get to dig out forms all day. 2' overdig always seemed to be about right. That way I can still lean over to put the whaler boards on. And to the previous poster, if you don't like concrete guys, then don't work for them!

[ksss]

Yeah...be like a smack down of track machines....:weightlifter:


How about "CTL Smack Down Raw".

Kinda catchy:weightlifter:

[ksss]

KSSS

I hope there's no concrete guys here, but man I wish I had a penny for ever time I heard some cry baby concrete guy. In area were one of the biggest excavating contractor and do pretty quality work, but our concrete subcontractor b**ch about every little thing! I hate when there on my job and have to deal with them, because I know I'll have to hold their hand for everything, but they come in and getter done quick.

KSSS, how many employees you got workin for you and is that all your equipment and trucks listed at bottom?


I usually have two employees. Right now one.

The equipment at the bottom is the major pieces, I have an 07 CASE roller, and an IH dump truck and various attachments. This is just a hobby excavation company. I am, by trade a potato earring designer, CAT basher, and CASE hat salesman.:weightlifter:

[ksss]

I have plans to blast the paint and redo it all. The logo on it now is just temporary. Of course like all plans it falls at the first sign of contact, we will see when that actually gets done.

[ksss]

Well I have throwen my fair share of aluminum forms in my life time. Please don't judge concrete workers until you get in the hole and throw arround 120LB 3'x8' wall forms every day. Try to lift them over your head, and then throw them over a 9' wall when you are stripping out! Just wait till it rains and the walls fall in. Now you get to dig out forms all day. 2' overdig always seemed to be about right. That way I can still lean over to put the whaler boards on. And to the previous poster, if you don't like concrete guys, then don't work for them!

I gave them 3'. Assuming the building was laid out correctly (not my problem). Concrete work is hard work no doubt. Concrete guys and excavators certainly have a love/hate relationship. If you can get a solid reputation with them (concrete guys) you will always have work. We have that type of reputation for our flatwork prep. I have concrete guys come up to me and say we follow your prep all the time and it is perfect everytime. I am trying to build that same reputation for our foundation excavation. It takes time and a lot of perfect foundations. If you can keep concrete guys happy your doing it right. Hard bunch to please.

[P.Services]

Well I have throwen my fair share of aluminum forms in my life time. Please don't judge concrete workers until you get in the hole and throw arround 120LB 3'x8' wall forms every day. Try to lift them over your head, and then throw them over a 9' wall when you are stripping out! Just wait till it rains and the walls fall in. Now you get to dig out forms all day. 2' overdig always seemed to be about right. That way I can still lean over to put the whaler boards on. And to the previous poster, if you don't like concrete guys, then don't work for them!

you sound just like my buddy that does crete work, made me laugh

[Stillwater]

I am, by trade a potato earring designer:



I knew their was more!

[Scag48]

Your logo better be off that 9020 when I buy it. And I want a REAL thumb on there. :drinkup:

[ksss]

Your logo better be off that 9020 when I buy it. And I want a REAL thumb on there. :drinkup:


I blame you for wanting a real thumb on there. So would I.

[Scag48]

I guess beggers can't be choosers, but I'm already going to get stuck with a damn Case, might as well have a thumb I like on it. :laugh: Do you do much clearing work that requires a thumb with the 9020? I always get the impression that machine is more of your "dirt hoggin" machine and doesn't do much of the other stuff, so an expensive thumb wouldn't do you a whole lot of good. Although, it's nice to be able to drag a beam, when I was doing footings I'd leave my cleanup on the truck and bring the beam with me. Seems like I always needed the beam and I was always on a friggin slope where the cleanup would have been a real PITA to hook up to. All I know is that if I wouldn't have had a progressive link thumb on our 312, I wouldn't have made $100K with it in 4 months.

[ksss]

I guess beggers can't be choosers, but I'm already going to get stuck with a damn Case, might as well have a thumb I like on it. :laugh: Do you do much clearing work that requires a thumb with the 9020? I always get the impression that machine is more of your "dirt hoggin" machine and doesn't do much of the other stuff, so an expensive thumb wouldn't do you a whole lot of good. Although, it's nice to be able to drag a beam, when I was doing footings I'd leave my cleanup on the truck and bring the beam with me. Seems like I always needed the beam and I was always on a friggin slope where the cleanup would have been a real PITA to hook up to. All I know is that if I wouldn't have had a progressive link thumb on our 312, I wouldn't have made $100K with it in 4 months.

Yea it mostly digs holes. I have had it on a couple demo jobs. I rotate the thumb down and it works ok. Certainly not like Prolink thumb. Better than nothing I guess.

[coopers]

Yea it mostly digs holes. I have had it on a couple demo jobs. I rotate the thumb down and it works ok. Certainly not like Prolink thumb. Better than nothing I guess.

It is better than nothing...your machine is looking good though. How many hours did you say were on it? I can't remember, where you looking for a newer 160 or was that not until later?

[ksss]

It is better than nothing...your machine is looking good though. How many hours did you say were on it? I can't remember, where you looking for a newer 160 or was that not until later?

It has 8100 hours on it. Yea I would like to have a newer one. I really like the size of the 160. It has a long boom on it and I like this size. I usually rented a 210 or 225 but for what I do I am not losing anything with this size machine. Another year probably of getting my name out in this area and I could likely swing it. I spent over a decade becoming known for the smaller stuff. It will take some time getting our name out for this type of work. I want to do that with this machine. It was only 20K plus some repairs so if it sits it doesn't break my heart or my checkbook.

[Scag48]

Good, I'll give you $15K cash for it in 2 years. :drinkup:

[ksss]

Good, I'll give you $15K cash for it in 2 years. :drinkup:

You see Scag, CASE equipment appreciates not depreciates like your used to with CAT. Two years from now that machine will be worth 30K. Maybe more.:cool2:

[coopers]

It has 8100 hours on it. Yea I would like to have a newer one. I really like the size of the 160. It has a long boom on it and I like this size. I usually rented a 210 or 225 but for what I do I am not losing anything with this size machine. Another year probably of getting my name out in this area and I could likely swing it. I spent over a decade becoming known for the smaller stuff. It will take some time getting our name out for this type of work. I want to do that with this machine. It was only 20K plus some repairs so if it sits it doesn't break my heart or my checkbook.

That's cool. When I did some work with an excavation guy over here he had a 160, 120 and 200 and the 160 was perfect for everything. His 120 was a POS grey market short stick so it sucked, and the 200 is also a grey market and too big so the 160 long stick (not grey market, I found out, scag) was perfect. New, with CWS QC pin grabber buckets...good machine, I'd imagine that what you do would make a 160 a perfect machine like you said. It worked for what he did.

[Scag48]

I'm not a fan of long sticks. Reach boom with short stick is where it's at for 120's, for most applications you need more crowd than lift. In 200+ size machines, depends on the application for boom and stick configuration, heavy lifting applications typically spec. short booms and medium stick for greater lift. Long stick with pin grabber = breakout loss master. Work with what ya got though, Kaiser's machine is setup how I'd spec for that size, short stick with reach boom.

[coopers]

Scag, is this deere a long stick. I might be a tad confused :hammerhead: I thought someone told me this was a long stick that we had and I didn't think other wise because I've seen some 120's with a shorter stick than this one...remember what the hitatchi 160 looked like that I put on HEF? That's the 160 I'm referring too...Long stick to I think no? ;)

[Scag48]

That looks like a standard (short) stick, it's a little decieving as she's turned a little bit. I'll find your pic of the 160 and check it out, I can't remember.

EDIT: Found the photo of the 160 on here with the beam, it definately looks like a short stick.

[Stillwater]

short, The digging depth is 19 feet, 6 inches with 8-foot, 3 inch arm. I tried to upload the pdf. file I have for this machine but I am doing something wrong.

[coopers]

oh wow, okay, thanks guys. There's a 120 down the street from that has an even shorter stick then. It's kinda stubby looking, looks funny. That's why I thought it was a long stick that we rented out.

[Stillwater]

The file I have on the machine says it is available with either a 8 foot 3 or a 9 foot 11 arm.
What did they charge to rent it?

[qps]

;)Here's some hand warmers for the cold days

[Stillwater]

face warmers........

[Construct'O]

Just like equipment :weightlifter:they come in different sizes:cool2:!!!!!!!

As for excavators,they use to have three different length of sticks.Short,medium, and long.So now there are on two,short and long????? Or is the option just limited to the smaller machines?:usflag:

[RockSet N' Grade]

QPS.........been so long, what are those?

[cantoo]

ksss, I work for a house building company as a Supervisor. I am in charge of the site. You wanna keep working then try to make everybody happy. I have my excavators go the extra mile when we can. If the site has lots of room then make it good for them if it's tight then give them all you can. I make sure we dig about 4' outside footings, leave a couple of dig outs for the form crates in the middle of long sides, make a ramp to walk in and out of the hole. Build a ramp up for the boom truck so he can get in close to the hole and high enough that he can see what he is doing. Leave a little hole off to the side where they can clean out the concrete trucks and the pumper truck. This will keep all the concrete crap in one place and away from where they have to walk. If it's a wet site then dig a small hole or water runway in the back corner in the overdig so they can pump to there or the water will flow that way. No one likes to play in the mud, if it's a dirty site try to scrap the top layer of crap off and slope away from the hole as you dig. Most of this won't take an extra time if you plan it as you dig. Get the concrete guys phone number and drop him a quick call before you start the dig just to build a rep.
I use some expensive guys but if they do a good job it will be worth it in the end. Use a cheap guy and you will be fighting every step of the way.

[RockSet N' Grade]

cantoo.....I think I like your attitude. I wish contractors or supers had the ability to visualize "process to product" like you do. Around here, nothing seems to be driven by quality balanced with fair price.........it is all price driven with everyone and their brother claiming to be a contractor. Maybe this slow down will separate the wheat from the chaff and quality will again mean something....I enjoyed your post.

[qps]

QPS.........been so long, what are those?



Two watermelons in a down hill race:walking:

[Fieldman12]

I have a set of those face/ hand warmers. I sometimes use one as a blanket and one as a pillow. :)

[ksss]

ksss, I work for a house building company as a Supervisor. I am in charge of the site. You wanna keep working then try to make everybody happy. I have my excavators go the extra mile when we can. If the site has lots of room then make it good for them if it's tight then give them all you can. I make sure we dig about 4' outside footings, leave a couple of dig outs for the form crates in the middle of long sides, make a ramp to walk in and out of the hole. Build a ramp up for the boom truck so he can get in close to the hole and high enough that he can see what he is doing. Leave a little hole off to the side where they can clean out the concrete trucks and the pumper truck. This will keep all the concrete crap in one place and away from where they have to walk. If it's a wet site then dig a small hole or water runway in the back corner in the overdig so they can pump to there or the water will flow that way. No one likes to play in the mud, if it's a dirty site try to scrap the top layer of crap off and slope away from the hole as you dig. Most of this won't take an extra time if you plan it as you dig. Get the concrete guys phone number and drop him a quick call before you start the dig just to build a rep.
I use some expensive guys but if they do a good job it will be worth it in the end. Use a cheap guy and you will be fighting every step of the way.


I appreciate the insight. I have always ramped down into the hole, but there are not many others that do. Seems to be much easier for everyone and it doesn't take but a minute. I take the quality of work we put out very seriously. If someone is not happy with something we do. I take that personally. I am hoping to create a good reputation in the foundation market which is one that we have always done some of but not a lot. I purchased the excavator last year and have been working at carving out a handful of repeat clients that build the type of buildings and homes that I like to do (over 2K square feet).

[bobcatexc]

KSSS do you move your 9020 with your IH dump or do you sub that out? Is that a commericial building your doing from the look of the other building around



QPS: I wish the handwarmers here at home where that big!

[coopers]

The file I have on the machine says it is available with either a 8 foot 3 or a 9 foot 11 arm.
What did they charge to rent it?

I can't quite remember, it's been a while since I worked there and I live far enough away that I get quotes now on 120's from other rental stores. It was probably around $375ish...but it may have gone up since then. I could have sworn that was a long stick. On machinertytrader they all say that this is a long stick with a 9'11" stick....who knows. It worked find, wasn't too wobbly with extra weight cuz of the pg buckets and thumb.

[coopers]

I like those hand warmers too. We have lots of different sizes here in WA. I have a nice pair myself. :)

[coopers]

8 foot 3 or a 9 foot 11 arm.

So that means it's a 'long' stick and the stubby 120 I see down the street is the 8'3" short stick...

[Stillwater]

So that means it's a 'long' stick and the stubby 120 I see down the street is the 8'3" short stick...

Hear is the file i have on the JD120

[ksss]

KSSS do you move your 9020 with your IH dump or do you sub that out? Is that a commericial building your doing from the look of the other building around



QPS: I wish the handwarmers here at home where that big!


I just sold my tag trailer and am buying a lowboy. I could not get comfortable with having the excavator that high in the air. I know many do it and going this route is going to cost more per year, but I will feel better. So currently I am paying to have it moved. I need to make a call in the morning and work out the last details on the lowboy. It is a commercial building. We will be digging another right next to it as soon as I get all that material out of there.

[Construct'O]

Lowboy means you need? Truck tractor or will you be getting someone to pull the lowboy for moves for now.

Also will the lowboy be detachable gooseneck or fixed dropdeck with ramps to load over the back?

Amazing how that word i need ,i need, keeps popping up.It just comes with expanding of the busniess.All these year and i still use those words.I Need !!!!!

What brand lowboy you looking at.I have been reseaching the detach ones here alot lately also.I have my picks like everyone.Been reseaching the last two months.

I'm probably going to skip,because of age,but never know i might get a hair! Late model one selling tomorrow:rolleyes:

There are ground bearing and non ground bearing,fixed removable and hydraulic gooseneck (wet kits and gas motors) if it is a detach.Good luck:usflag:

[Stillwater]

Amazing how that word i need ,i need, keeps popping up.It just comes with expanding of the busniess.All these year and i still use those words.I Need !!!!!:usflag:

Nice Comment!!

It took me years to get honest with myself and know the difference between the words "I Need" and "I Want" and I still fight with that sometimes......

[ksss]

This is a fixed neck Transcraft 1979 model. It is in decent shape. It is a triaxle air suspension. I think I can get it for 7K. It would be fine for what I need it for. I was also looking at a hyd. tail trailer tandem axle, but the guy is not sure he wants to sell it now. That would be a better trailer as I could haul other things easier. I really cant go wrong for the money I don't think. I also plan on getting another side dump trailer for getting a tractor is in the big picture anyway.

[Scag48]

Have you found yourself a tractor for that lowboy? Better get Cat power in it, you'll want to convert everything to Cat after you cross from the dark side.

[coopers]

Hear is the file i have on the JD120

Yup, that's what I thought.

Thanks.

[Dirt Digger2]

CAT power in a truck is asking for problems...i'll say if it came down to it i would buy a cat machine, but as far as a CAT under the hood of a truck NOOOO WAY especially the C12....cummins all the way

good choice on not carrying the hoe on the tag trailer...they ripped the cab off an old Case trackhoe before i worked there going down a narrow road and hitting a tree

[bobcatexc]

So KSSS are you actually digging basements under this commercial building or is that just the way you guys do foundations out there. There are very few commerical buildings around here with basements only residential.

Use to work for a guy that had a tri-axle tilt tag trailer, I would occasionally move a piece of equipment here and there, 120 and 963 where a little hairy that high up, but not bad. Before he bought his lowboy they would move the 200 with the tag trailer, I never personally did, but a 200 I'd be like you, I wouldn't like it. I lot of smaller contractors around here do what your wanting to do they have a lowboy to move their 200 and then find a dump trailer to use the rest of the time, most of them get one with barn doors so they can do demo or clearing with the trailer. Plus with a lowboy you might beable to move 2 or 3 small machines at a time or attachments.

[Scag48]

You guys are sissies, absolutely nobody back home moves anything under a 200 on a lowboy and I've seen plenty of 200's go by on 25 ton, triple axle trailers. I will agree a lower trailer is a safer load, but if you're paying attention to what you're doing you can move a 160 easily on a deckover. We don't really have the trees hanging in the road issue, I could see how that could come into play, though.

[hosejockey2002]

Several years ago when I drove truck I used to move a 200 on a three axle tiltbed and while it was a little hairy it wasn't a big deal. Height wasn't a problem, it was actually under 13'6" on the trailer. It was overwidth, with the tracks overhanging the deck about 6" on both sides. The hairiest part was actually loading it. You had to center it just right, and drive it perfectly straight up the trailer, and you had to feel when the deck started to tip down and stop so you didn't break anything. After that a 120 or 160 would be a piece of cake.

[BIGBEN2004]

What about weight? In Maryland a dump truck and trailer can only gross out at 70,000 pounds. That is why many big machines around here go on a low boy since a semi can go up to 80,000 and also a road tractor weighs less than a dump truck so you really can haul allot more. I used to move the 953's and also Deere 120 hoes on a 20 ton tandem axle trailer behind a tri axle dump truck but that was near the limit of weight. We could never haul a 200 even if we had a tri axle 25ton trailer we would be grossing over 70,000 pounds. Different states have different rules I guess. I know Virginia is very picky on weight and amount of axles needed. The tri axle dump I ran could haul around 22 ton in Maryland but in Virginia it could only haul around 17 ton to be legal.

[backhoe1]

KSSS, in your area, is it common for the basement excavator to also rough in the water and sewer? Just wondering about other parts of the country.

[qps]

KSSS do you move your 9020 with your IH dump or do you sub that out? Is that a commericial building your doing from the look of the other building around



QPS: I wish the handwarmers here at home where that big!

I'm calling Amy....you'll be going to Expo alone...:laugh:

[Scag48]

What about weight? In Maryland a dump truck and trailer can only gross out at 70,000 pounds.

That sucks, we can run up to 105,000 here. Balls to the wall! I know a guy that drives a lowboy, said he can get her up to 170K with permits and a jeep on a triple axle TrailKing lowboy.

[BIGBEN2004]

That sucks, we can run up to 105,000 here. Balls to the wall! I know a guy that drives a lowboy, said he can get her up to 170K with permits and a jeep on a triple axle TrailKing lowboy.

On a lowboy we can go up to almost any weight with the correct permits and police escort but with out permits a tractor and trailer lowboy can only go to 80,000 pounds.

[ksss]

KSSS, in your area, is it common for the basement excavator to also rough in the water and sewer? Just wondering about other parts of the country.

No not really. This was a little different case. The sub for the sewer and water were inside the building lines. Usually that is not the case. We had to expose them while we were digging the basement. Usually we would rough in the utilities after the walls were poured or maybe even after it was backfilled depending on what they wanted to do. This was a little odd.

As far as commerical buildings with basements, around here it is not unheard of but you don't see it all the time. Ironically the building going in next to it also has a basement.

[ksss]

That sucks, we can run up to 105,000 here. Balls to the wall! I know a guy that drives a lowboy, said he can get her up to 170K with permits and a jeep on a triple axle TrailKing lowboy.

Washington has very forgiving weight limits. It causes issues with us because you can run all over Washington at 105K but here I think it is 92K or something like that as I recall. I know that in Idaho if your tractor trailer is licensed to 80K and you get stopped by DOT and you weigh 125K that it costs $3700. That is not tax deductible. That I know.:cry:

[hosejockey2002]

Wow, that hurts!! Washington may have liberal weight limits, but if a WSP inspector pulled you over and you were 45K overweight, he'd probably forget the fine and just pull you out of the truck and shoot you. Overweight fines here can get very expensive....

[ksss]

Wow, that hurts!! Washington may have liberal weight limits, but if a WSP inspector pulled you over and you were 45K overweight, he'd probably forget the fine and just pull you out of the truck and shoot you. Overweight fines here can get very expensive....

It wasn't like we were trying to get over on anyone. The pit my driver was hauling out of (we were working for another excavation company) did not have scale. We had the first side dump trailer in this side of the State. They thought if the tub was that big that they would just fill it up. It holds much more than you can legal haul as it turned out. My driver could have been arrested. It was a misd. Glad they did not shoot him. Hard to find decent drivers. The truck was animal 450 hp 18 speed hard to tell empty from loaded.