bobcat s130 demo what can i say!!

[mrsops]

hey guys fianlly i got to demo the s130 today and let me tell you machine def has b*lls. it had alot of power when going into a full pile of dirt and the machine graded out real fast i was impressed i didnt think it was going to be that fast. it def kicks the hell out of the s100.. i also loaded a few trucks machine has a nice size reach for a little guy i was real happy with it

[cat2]

hey guys fianlly i got to demo the s130 today and let me tell you machine def has b*lls. it had alot of power when going into a full pile of dirt and the machine graded out real fast i was impressed i didnt think it was going to be that fast. it def kicks the hell out of the s100.. i also loaded a few trucks machine has a nice size reach for a little guy i was real happy with it




well thats good to hear. Stay away from yellow

[mrsops]

well thats good to hear. Stay away from yellow

lol funny cat

[YellowDogSVC]

mr sops,

Do you run any s300's? If so, how do they compare to your s330?

[joesimoes2]

well thats good to hear. Stay away from yellow


Don’t say that about cat.:waving:

[mrsops]

mr sops,

Do you run any s300's? If so, how do they compare to your s330?

i have ran a s250 and a s300 which i like very much, the reason why i went with the s330 has it lifts 300lbs more then the 300 and it also gives you a little more hp and we cant forget im getting 2'' more when loading a truck because of the tires being bigger. i honesly thought there def was a differnce between the s330 and the s300 its like like a s185 and s205.. s205 just feels so much stronger

[Scag48]

Let's not kid ourselves, the horsepower difference between the S330 and S300 is 4 ponies. The 330 is also heavier, so that 4 horses basically rubs out. In my eyes, they're the same machine. I know torque and a little larger displacement plays a role, but seriously, it's not a stunningly bigger and more powerful machine than the 300. If Bobcat was smart, they would've offered over 90 horses in the 330, guess they couldn't figure that out.

[cat2]

Let's not kid ourselves, the horsepower difference between the S330 and S300 is 4 ponies. The 330 is also heavier, so that 4 horses basically rubs out. In my eyes, they're the same machine. I know torqure and a little larger displacement plays a role, but seriously, it's not a stunningly bigger and more powerful machine than the 300. If Bobcat was smart, they would've offered over 90 horses in the 330, guess they couldn't figure that out.





I agree.....

[mrsops]

Let's not kid ourselves, the horsepower difference between the S330 and S300 is 4 ponies. The 330 is also heavier, so that 4 horses basically rubs out. In my eyes, they're the same machine. I know torque and a little larger displacement plays a role, but seriously, it's not a stunningly bigger and more powerful machine than the 300. If Bobcat was smart, they would've offered over 90 horses in the 330, guess they couldn't figure that out.

its not o my god its so much stronger, but it def is stronger like i said once i got into a s205 you could never get me back into a s185 there is a differnce

[bobcat_ron]

The S130 is a reat little machine, it's one of the only loaders that still has a solid lower loader arms on it, kudos to Bobcrap on that.
But put a high impact attachment on it and watch it dribble oil everywhere.

[BIGBEN2004]

How wide is the S130? It sounds like a good compact machine that isn't lacking on power. That seems to be the trend, make a small machine and give it small power.

[kreft]

pictures??

[bobcat_ron]

The S130 is 46 hp, non turbo'ed, and it is 58" across the wheels and 130" long with a bucket.

[mrsops]

How wide is the S130? It sounds like a good compact machine that isn't lacking on power. That seems to be the trend, make a small machine and give it small power.

it has a ton of power ben

[mrsops]

The S130 is 46 hp, non turbo'ed, and it is 58" across the wheels and 130" long with a bucket.

54'' ron inverted on this 1

[BIGBEN2004]

54" that is a nice narrow path, I like it. How much does one of those run with a cab, air, heat and such? That would be a good narrow machine for me with out the extra cost of a track machine for the small tight jobs that are few and far in between. That would allow me to have a good wheeled machine also for spreading stone in driveways to refresh them and such and wouldn't cost as much to move since it weighs allot less than a full sized skid. That sounds like a good machine. I will have to go test one out now to see what you are talking about.

[mrsops]

54" that is a nice narrow path, I like it. How much does one of those run with a cab, air, heat and such? That would be a good narrow machine for me with out the extra cost of a track machine for the small tight jobs that are few and far in between. That would allow me to have a good wheeled machine also for spreading stone in driveways to refresh them and such and wouldn't cost as much to move since it weighs allot less than a full sized skid. That sounds like a good machine. I will have to go test one out now to see what you are talking about.

tell you the truth im a little turned off after my dealer came back and told me its 26,000 with cab and heat :confused: i find that alot of money for such a little machine

[BIGBEN2004]

Yea that is a little high. I would see how much they are costing in other areas of the country on here from people who own them or are looking into buying one now. That way you can see if maybe all that good compact power has to come at such a high price. Well at least the good thing is, you can charge the same per hour as your bigger skids since at least in my area a skid loader is a skid loader. No one seems to change the price when a smaller one is brought in to do the job. Also it will use less fuel also so more money in your pocket to help cover the initial cost. Just like a track machine gets the same per hour around here also as a tire machine. Doesn't make sense but that is just how it is.

[mrsops]

Yea that is a little high. I would see how much they are costing in other areas of the country on here from people who own them or are looking into buying one now. That way you can see if maybe all that good compact power has to come at such a high price.

yeah im going to have to do that

[Scag48]

tell you the truth im a little turned off after my dealer came back and told me its 26,000 with cab and heat :confused: i find that alot of money for such a little machine

Your Bobcat dealer sucks seriously dude, I can get a Cat 216BII for less than that and the Cat is better machine for sure. Your dealer needs a kick in the head.

[mrsops]

Your Bobcat dealer sucks seriously dude, I can get a Cat 216BII for less than that and the Cat is better machine for sure. Your dealer needs a kick in the head.

how do you figure that 216 is better explain scag?

[BIGBEN2004]

how do you figure that 216 is better explain scag?

Some are brain washed into thinking Cat is better than every other brand.:laugh:

[ksss]

Some are brain washed into thinking Cat is better than every other brand.:laugh:

There is a lot of that on here substitute CAT for Bobcat, might even be a CASE fan sprinkled in and it sounds like a lot guys.

[Scag48]

I've never seen a comparably sized Bobcat EVER keep up with a comparably sized Cat. I've run LOTS of Bobcats and none of them EVER got close to keeping up with our 216. Just my observation. I know when we bought our 216 you couldn't get hand controls in the 753's back then, is that still the case with the S130's? If so, I just proved my point right there, horsepower and performance aside. I was never impressed with the smaller Bobcats, any of them whatsoever. Shoot, I wasn't impressed with an S300 I ran either, but I bet it's an alright machine for some. However, I feel Case, Cat, and Deere build better small machines than Bobcat. Bobcat has pushed a lot of effort into their larger lineup, which was something that wasn't so popular 10 years ago. Guys were buying the smaller stuff a lot more. Back in the day, the 753's and such were some of the best. Now, the 753 is a rebadged S130 that hasn't seen any radical improvements. The market is pushing the larger end of the spectrum, all MFG's are putting less and less into their smaller line, Cat included. The difference is that Bobcat hasn't really done anything to their small lineup, anything serious anyway, in probably 10 years. The 216BII is much more refined than the original A series that was released 9 years ago, I doubt the S130 has jumped up the same leaps and bounds since the 753 9 years ago.

[bobcat_ron]

Why get another wheeled skid? Get a T140 or even the new Takeuchi TL120.

[Scag48]

I suppose if you don't need tracks, the additional purchasing and operating costs don't pan out.

[mrsops]

I've never seen a comparably sized Bobcat EVER keep up with a comparably sized Cat. I've run LOTS of Bobcats and none of them EVER got close to keeping up with our 216. Just my observation. I know when we bought our 216 you couldn't get hand controls in the 753's back then, is that still the case with the S130's? If so, I just proved my point right there, horsepower and performance aside. I was never impressed with the smaller Bobcats, any of them whatsoever. Shoot, I wasn't impressed with an S300 I ran either, but I bet it's an alright machine for some. However, I feel Case, Cat, and Deere build better small machines than Bobcat. Bobcat has pushed a lot of effort into their larger lineup, which was something that wasn't so popular 10 years ago. Guys were buying the smaller stuff a lot more. Back in the day, the 753's and such were some of the best. Now, the 753 is a rebadged S130 that hasn't seen any radical improvements. The market is pushing the larger end of the spectrum, all MFG's are putting less and less into their smaller line, Cat included. The difference is that Bobcat hasn't really done anything to their small lineup, anything serious anyway, in probably 10 years. The 216BII is much more refined than the original A series that was released 9 years ago, I doubt the S130 has jumped up the same leaps and bounds since the 753 9 years ago.

you can get hand controls in the s130 now

[grassmanvt]

tell you the truth im a little turned off after my dealer came back and told me its 26,000 with cab and heat :confused: i find that alot of money for such a little machine

Yikes, a paver friend of mine bought a new s185 with full cab/heat this spring for a little under 26k (plus tax of course) That was a lot of leveraging dealers against each other though, and he ended up buying from his usual dealer. He has bought a bunch of stuff from them but sounds like you have as well.

[mrsops]

Why get another wheeled skid? Get a T140 or even the new Takeuchi TL120.

i was told to stay away from the t140

[Fieldman12]

What is wrong with the T140 machine? I wish Deere and Case made one anout that size

[mrsops]

What is wrong with the T140 machine? I wish Deere and Case made one anout that size

why do you wish they made one just buy the t140 lol

i knew someone that had one he wasnt crazy about it said it was to heavy for a little machine and didnt have that much pushing power

[KTM]

After over a year of reasearch Takeuchi was the brand that I heard the least horror story's, Bobcat I heard the most and they wanted more money for them, There protected dealer system is crap.

[BIGBEN2004]

Has anyone tried out the new TL120 from Takeuchi. I sat in one at the dealer and it looked good. Had good visibility and felt very compact. Had the traditional big roomy cab and it specs out well. Opened the back and it had a tiny Turbo on it.:laugh: Might be a mighty compact machine didn't price it out though.:weightlifter:

[bobcat_ron]

It'll eat a Bobcat T140.

[KPS]

It'll eat a Bobcat T140.

I never ran one but I heard those T140's with no turbo's were a complete dog. they only have like 46hp;), not enough power to drive heavy tracks.

[ksss]

I never ran one but I heard those T140's with no turbo's were a complete dog. they only have like 46hp;), not enough power to drive heavy tracks.

The T190 does not have much more than that. Which is way it is dog as well IMHO.

[mrsops]

The T190 does not have much more than that. Which is way it is dog as well IMHO.

i disagree 100% on that

[Scag48]

You've been in Bobcat's way too long if you don't believe the T190 is terribly underpowered, worse than the 257's.

[ksss]

i disagree 100% on that





What is there to disagree about. The newest model has 61hp gross. The older models were 57 or so. The T140 makes 49 gross and 111 foot/pounds. At best that is 12 hp over the 140. The T190 weighs another 1000 pounds over the T140 approx. The engine only displaces 150 cu. I am not sure about the torque on the T190 but this has been gone over before. It doesn't make much. The T190's that I have run could not get out of their way. I used them to grade concrete floors in foundations, which required having to climb out of the hole with a full bucket. Very painful with that machine. It does not perform hp intesive tasks very well. Granted thats IMHO

[Fieldman12]

I like Bobcat stuff but they are expensive to purchase in my opinion. I would just prefer a Case or Deere machine.

[Tigerotor77W]

The newest model has 61hp gross.

Should be 61 net horsepower... but I agree, doesn't make much of a difference in certain applications.

[dogsluvtrux]

What is there to disagree about.

Huh? Look at the specs...

The T190 has higher Hp, better breakout forces, higher ROC and Tip loads...all of this with a bigger bucket. Put a 68" C/I bucket on a Cat 257, and a T190 will run circles around it.

Granted, the 257 will ride a lot smoother over certain types of terrain than a T190, but the ASV track system the use is a PITA to adjust compared to that of a Case, Bobcat, New Holland or Takeuchi.

[ksss]

Huh? Look at the specs...

The T190 has higher Hp, better breakout forces, higher ROC and Tip loads...all of this with a bigger bucket. Put a 68" C/I bucket on a Cat 257, and a T190 will run circles around it.

Granted, the 257 will ride a lot smoother over certain types of terrain than a T190, but the ASV track system the use is a PITA to adjust compared to that of a Case, Bobcat, New Holland or Takeuchi.

My point was engine hp not breakout or ROC are not the much more significant given the added size of the T190. I was using this as an example of why the T190 is dog.

[Digdeep]

Huh? Look at the specs...

The T190 has higher Hp, better breakout forces, higher ROC and Tip loads...all of this with a bigger bucket. Put a 68" C/I bucket on a Cat 257, and a T190 will run circles around it.

Granted, the 257 will ride a lot smoother over certain types of terrain than a T190, but the ASV track system the use is a PITA to adjust compared to that of a Case, Bobcat, New Holland or Takeuchi.

The T190 was a dog in the hp department and the maintenance department-drive motors, wheel bearings, quick attach frames and pins, etc.

The 257 was also a dog in the hp department and it was way too heavy for that undercarriage. These two machines should be joined at the hip.

[mrsops]

i know about 4-5 differnt guys all dumped there 257 and went with either a t190 t250 or t300 bobcat makes a better skid steer then cat

[ksss]

The T190 was a dog in the hp department and the maintenance department-drive motors, wheel bearings, quick attach frames and pins, etc.

The 257 was also a dog in the hp department and it was way too heavy for that undercarriage. These two machines should be joined at the hip.

It would appear so wouldn't. I have never run a 257 but given the feedback from former owners it would appear to be true. The T190 I have spent time with and a bigger POS I have not run. I am just glad I never had to maintain one which it appears might be worse than running one if that is possible.

[dogsluvtrux]

My point was engine hp not breakout or ROC are not the much more significant given the added size of the T190. I was using this as an example of why the T190 is dog.

A T190 is 2" wider (with the standard 12" tracks) and weighs a whopping 65 pounds more. I understand your commnets if you were driving a wide-track T190 (with the 16" tracks). A wide track T190 couldn't hardly pull itself off wet grass, but not a standard T190. It will walk all over a Cat 257 any day of the week, all things being equal (same bucket, for example).

Service-wise...a bobcat is much easier to service than just about any machine you can think of. Just open the back door...you can put your hand on the air filter, oil filter, battery, oil check and fill, starter, and every other daily service check.

[Digdeep]

A T190 is 2" wider (with the standard 12" tracks) and weighs a whopping 65 pounds more. I understand your commnets if you were driving a wide-track T190 (with the 16" tracks). A wide track T190 couldn't hardly pull itself off wet grass, but not a standard T190. It will walk all over a Cat 257 any day of the week, all things being equal (same bucket, for example).

Service-wise...a bobcat is much easier to service than just about any machine you can think of. Just open the back door...you can put your hand on the air filter, oil filter, battery, oil check and fill, starter, and every other daily service check.

I sold T190s (sold over 200 tracked units) and have operated the 257 and they're both grossly underpowered. I know for a fact that my RC50 (50hp) will pretty much outpush a T190. It is true that the "service" items are all pretty accessible but so are the 257s and its too bad that working on the hydraulics of the T190 is a PITA not to mention the drive motors that failed left and right the short track life and the bearing and seal problems. Otherwise it was a good machine. sorry for being so sarcastic but bobcats small tracked machines left a very bad taste in my mouth.

[KPS]

If most of you guys on here think a small frame ctl or mtl is a waste of money or a POS thats fine, it s your right and YOUR OPINION!!! Don't bash everyone in every thread who either owns one or thinks they are good machine. just my .02 cents

[ksss]

If most of you guys on here think a small frame ctl or mtl is a waste of money or a POS thats fine, it s your right and YOUR OPINION!!! Don't bash everyone in every thread who either owns one or thinks they are good machine. just my .02 cents

I don't have any issue with its size. I spec my smaller machines as compact as I can. You don't use a machine like this because you have tons of room. Mobility is always an issue. I just don't see why they in the case of these two machines they didn't give them more power. Small doesn't have to mean underpowered. Aside from some personal preference issues (loud, over relief too easily, too much feedback in the controls with AHC) with the T190 specifically (no time in a 257 only what know what others have complained about), lack of power is the problem with the T190 IMHO.

[bobcat_ron]

i know about 4-5 differnt guys all dumped there 257 and went with either a t190 t250 or t300 bobcat makes a better skid steer then cat


I laugh everytime a die-hard Bobcat fan says that, if they were still making the best, why did they get bought out by Doosan?

[mrsops]

I laugh everytime a die-hard Bobcat fan says that, if they were still making the best, why did they get bought out by Doosan?

why did melroe get bought out by i.r LOL dont matter

[cat2]

too bad us guys couldn't sit down and make our own brand of skid steer. We would have a heck of a good skid steer at the end

[bobcat_ron]

Or a one hell of a lot of crappy ones

[BIGBEN2004]

I would bet more toward a whole lot of arguments.*trucewhiteflag*

[ksss]

too bad us guys couldn't sit down and make our own brand of skid steer. We would have a heck of a good skid steer at the end


Hey great idea, I am not an engineer, but I play one on the internet and I slept at Motel 6 last night.:clapping:

[Tigerotor77W]

Hey great idea, I am not an engineer

You and maybe AWJ will have to take my spot... I think I'm assigned to Cat. :P

That being said, there would be a lot of arguments. You'd be surprised at the tiddly-BS stuff that has to get fixed during design sessions. I saw some of the C-series machines' design problems, and the ability to say, "MORE POWER! MORE COMFORT! MORE EVERYTHING!" is not quite... that easy to implement. There are tradeoffs in every single aspect of design, which is why no machine is perfect for everyone.

[YellowDogSVC]

You and maybe AWJ will have to take my spot... I think I'm assigned to Cat. :P

That being said, there would be a lot of arguments. You'd be surprised at the tiddly-BS stuff that has to get fixed during design sessions. I saw some of the C-series machines' design problems, and the ability to say, "MORE POWER! MORE COMFORT! MORE EVERYTHING!" is not quite... that easy to implement. There are tradeoffs in every single aspect of design, which is why no machine is perfect for everyone.

After demoing 2 c series machines, I can say that I have found design flaws. While I like the c series overall , I think they may have rushed some things into production before testing. I still think there is a whole lot of "better" in the C series machines but they must have traded something off and forgot to finish out a few things. You would think that with the prices I'm quoted, the machines would be near perfect but it hasn't been the case, for example, no good place for fire extinguisher, too many LARGE openings for stuff to fall into. No easily accessible drains that I saw for cleaning out a machine. Those little things need to be addressed even though the machines are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition in comfort. We shouldn't have to put vinyl and velcro to cover openings that could create a fire hazard on an expensive piece of iron.

Just my opinion. I am not here to bash a brand. I do like the CATs!

[cat2]

Or a one hell of a lot of crappy ones



No i think we could come up with one good one. remember great minds think a like

[BIGBEN2004]

Yea but the biggest question would beWHAT COLOR WOULD WE MAKE IT????????:hammerhead:

[cat2]

Yea but the biggest question would beWHAT COLOR WOULD WE MAKE IT????????:hammerhead:



That would be easy. White. with a cummins motor. and a cat's cab. and make it lift lilke a john deere

[ksss]

I think we would need a different color that has not been used. Something like Stieger green, NH blue, or develop our own shade of yellow/tan/orange.

As far as the motor without a doubt Iveco already tier three and superior hp and torque, second would be Izuzu or Yanmar.

I think we could leave out the Deere lift. Radial lift would be easy. Vertical takes some pondering. I like the lift arm design of the 465 but the short stroke of the cylinders like on the Gehl 7810.

Cab and controls Rexroth pilots to start with and they move into E/H or we will have Tiger go under cover and steal the design technology from CAT. I am assuming it is worth a sh!t since I have yet to run it.

As far as the cab itself I would like to start with a TK and make it comfortable like the CAT with an overhead door.

For a tracked machine we will just sell them with the VTS system save design time and money and have just as good of a system.

[bobcat_ron]

Mad tight pink, yo, pink.