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hotrod1965
03-11-2008, 10:10 PM
When does everyone start ordering thier christmas lights??

christmas79
03-12-2008, 10:27 AM
I starting ordering my lights middle of September!

turf hokie
03-12-2008, 10:58 AM
The bulk of what we order is place between Mid Aug and Mid Sept.

Special order items need to start being placed in February. (large trees etc)

GreenN'Clean
03-12-2008, 01:17 PM
My question is where do you find people willing to pay to hang up there christmas lights and enough money for you to make a profit?

hotrod1965
03-12-2008, 06:08 PM
It works a lot like the lawn mowing business. Where do you find people willing to pay you to mow the lawn? Except you run into a lot of people who hate ladders, so they pay a little more....

turf hokie
03-12-2008, 08:13 PM
My question is where do you find people willing to pay to hang up there christmas lights and enough money for you to make a profit?

We dont hang homeowner lights. Too much of a hassle. The people that want you to hang their lights are usually looking for a great deal "What do you mean you wont come to my house for $100?"

There are plenty of people that dont like ladders, roofs or taking the lights down for that matter. We provide everything from design, install, maintenance, take down and storage. Homeowner doesnt have to worry about anything.

christmas79
03-12-2008, 11:13 PM
I am still taking lights down the snow final melt got 28 left to do!!!

hotrod1965
03-13-2008, 12:51 AM
You should just leave them up!

turf hokie
03-13-2008, 08:50 AM
I am still taking lights down the snow final melt got 28 left to do!!!

We got lucky, no snow or rain during take downs. Even had a couple days in the hight 50's. We got our last job down on Jan 29.

David Gretzmier
03-16-2008, 11:37 PM
we finished Feb 5th. around 170 jobs or so. we got some snow and ice in Jan, but we worked through most of it. There's a huge catch 22 in this business. you really only make money off jobs that run in the 800 and up price range for the rehang year after year, and that means around 1500 and up the first year when they buy everything from you. yet most folks won't pay that unless you have several years experience. So many times you have to do what you can the first few years and then draw a line about not hanging homeowner lights after that point. we only got 12 customers our 1st year in NW Arkansas back in 2001. 7 years later it is a substantial 250k business. but the first 3 years? not so much. Give me another 4-5 years and we will be running close to 1/2 million in sales per year in Christmas light install. but It takes 12 years to get there in my market.

hotrod1965
03-17-2008, 05:03 PM
I am curious how you calculated your 800 dollar figure?

we do home owner lights but we charge a straight hourly rate. if it takes two hours to untangle, we get paid for two hours to untangle. plus you can sub those jobs out easily.

wurkn with amish
03-17-2008, 07:34 PM
I order lights when I need them. Usually have a good stock built up as we go along.
Haven't taken all my lights down either( need to get an 80ft lift in!) About 50...2ft starbursts.
I would like to order 20k( 30-35k worth wholesale) if ordered early. just can't let go of that much money right now.
We did about 8-10jobs and grossed 45k this year.
I won't mess with customers lights..... don't wanna, never will.
You just never know how long they will last.
With mine I get 1yr warranty---- another company I've been looking at -3yr warranty on LED!

hotrod1965
03-17-2008, 08:38 PM
When it comes to home owner lights, we don't garentee anything. If we have to come back, we bill them by the hour..

This year we are suppling lights, I may be able to pre-order your lights without paying up front. Depends on what you want. PM me and let me know.

christmas79
03-18-2008, 09:27 PM
Still taking down lights 15 left it takes along time to get them the down and I don't take them in till I get paid!

David Gretzmier
03-28-2008, 01:14 AM
About the 800 dollar rehang question- Our rehangs average 1000 or so, some are 300, some 3000 and up. The 300 and 400 dollar rehangs you have to do 2-3 per day, and with drive time and gas expensive, you really want your guys at one location per day.

those are the 800-1200 dollar rehang jobs. these jobs usually include home lights, minis, garland, wreaths, etc. these folks paid around 2000-3500 bucks the first year to buy everything, or accumulated around that much purchased over a 2 or 3 year period. I like those jobs that the guys can do in a day, and include most of the elements of a good Christmas light design.

The guys like it because they feel like they accomplished something, and will show pride in these, usually take thier friends/girlfriends by these houses and the larger ones they do. they take ownership of these jobs- "That is my house I did" etc.

The smaller jobs are great, but usually are only the top of the house, or mini's only, and they tend to just go through the motions on these. and since you gotta do 2 or 3 per day on these, time is wasted on the road. Also, It is just easier for me to run a company with 140 customers at an average of 1000 per rehang than 280 customers with a 500 rehang.