CASE 400 Series 3 info

[ksss]

For Immediate Release


Contact:
Tom McLaughlin Jane Cooper
262/636-7498 630/377-2555
thomas.mclaughlin@cnh.com jcooper@cooperhong.com



CASE UPGRADES SKID STEERS
WITH TIER III CERTIFICATION, CAB IMPROVEMENTS

RACINE, Wis. (Jan. 22, 2008) — At a press event at World of Concrete, Case today unveiled its new 400 Series 3 line of skid steer loaders. The new machines feature more powerful engines, a redesigned cab and improved serviceability for all models.
Clean-burning, Tier III certified engine power is now available on the Case 410, 420, 430, 435, 440, 445, 450 and 465 skids steers. With engine improvements come increases in horsepower across the board, with net horsepower for the line ranging from 57 to 83 (42 to 62 kW).
The 410 Series 3 is powered by an ISM 2.2-liter turbocharged engine. The 420, 430, 435 and 445 Series 3 machines boast Case 3.2-liter turbocharged engines. And the 440, 450, and 465 Series 3 skid steer loaders are powered by a 4.5-liter turbocharged Case engine. In addition to Tier III certification, these new engines provide improved torque, which increases performance across the line.
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Comfort in the cab
“Operator comfort is a big factor in productivity,” said Jim Hughes, marketing manager, Case Construction Equipment. “That’s why Case is always striving to improve the cab and operator’s platform when designing and upgrading models.” The new cabs available for all Case Series 3 models feature a 7-percent increase in headroom and 6-percent increase in lap-bar width, along with improved forward, side, rear and overhead visibility. The 435, 445, 450 and 465 Series 3 models offer a 20-percent increase in front glass area, while the 410, 420, 430 and 440 Series 3 units record a whopping 81-percent increase.
On the interior, a suspension seat comes standard, while a new cushioned lap bar with arm rest and new ergonomically designed control handles provides more comfort and space when operating the machines. The parking brake has also been relocated to the handle, and text labels for switches make the environment more user-friendly. The foot throttle is also now standard on all models, allowing operators to easily control RPMs. The hand throttle was relocated on the Series 3 410, 420, 430 and 440 to be the same as the larger models. Also standard on the machines are the headliner, backup alarm and horn, footrest, 12v power plug, storage tray and cup holder.
On the exterior, industry-exclusive side lighting provides full visibility to the sides during nighttime operation. A standard overhead window with more punch-outs than previous models provides outstanding visibility to the loader arms when the bucket is in the raised position. The loader tower profile has also been redesigned to provide better visibility while operating. Ergonomically designed grab handles provide easier egress/ingress to the machines.
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Ease of service remains a hallmark of the line
The new Case 400 Series 3 skid steers feature improved oil and fuel filter access, which helps avoid spills and speed up oil changes. A wide-fin side-by-side radiator and oil cooler improves cooling of the machines. A no-maintenance fan belt on the 420, 430, 435 and 445 Series 3 models is a plus, while an automatic belt tensioner on the 440, 450 and 465 maximizes uptime because the belt does not need to be adjusted. Battery-disconnect and remote-jumpstart terminals are standard on all models, with the exception of the 410 and 420.
All Case 400 Series 3 skid steer models are built to start in colder temperatures. A larger, 1125 CCA battery (32 percent more powerful than previous models) and glow plugs on the 410, or a grid heater on all other models, are standard. In fact, the 410 Series 3 is tested to start unaided at 0 degrees Fahrenheit (-17 Celsius), while all other Case 400 Series 3 skid steer models are tested to start unaided at -10 degrees Fahrenheit (-23 Celsius). The massive, heavy-duty radiator and air cooler are sized for high-flow auxiliary hydraulics as well as operation in extreme temperatures with 10 fins per inch, four rows deep.
Single-location daily service checks remain a hallmark of the line, with sight gauges for checking hydraulic and coolant levels, a dipstick for checking engine oil levels and the air filter all located in the back of the machine. The Case trademark easy-tilt ROPS provides exceptionally easy access to major components for service.
Pilot controls available for all models
Pilot controls are now available on all eight Case skid steer models. Case pilot controls for all models are available from the factory in either “H” or ISO patterns.
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Factory-supplied accessory kits are also available through Case dealers to permanently change the pattern from H to ISO or vice versa.
With the H pattern, which is familiar to experienced Case operators, the operator uses the left-hand control to operate the left drive motor as well as to raise and lower the loader arms. The right-hand controller is used to operate the right drive motor and the bucket curl and dump. The fact that the H pattern gives the operator independent control of the ground drives allows the operator to position the machine with greater precision. This is especially helpful when performing tasks such as fine grading.
With the ISO pattern, the drive functions are in the left controller, and the loader arm/bucket functions are in the right controller. This allows for one-handed operation and is prevalent on non-Case machines.
Options for increased comfort, convenience and performance
A variety of options are available for all models, including deluxe instrument panel with keyless start, road lights with turn signals, and a radio with MP3 player. An optional pressurized cab takes comfort in the cab to a new level, while optional air conditioning is now available on the Case 410 and 420 Series 3 units, as well as the larger models.
Another industry-exclusive is a deluxe cloth heated seat with lumbar support, which is available on units with a deluxe cab for operators working in cold climates.
A single-point lift hook is available on the 410, 420, 430, and 440 Series 3 models to facilitate craning these models up or down into building sites.
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Other options include proportional auxiliary controls, a detent switch that does not have to be held down for two-speed operation, a demolition door with mar guard, an interior rearview mirror and strobe lights. Optional removable cab windows and solid flex tires are also now available.
For additional skid steer product specifications, customer testimonials, competitive comparisons, finance offers and more, please visit www.casece.com. For a Case skid steer demonstration, see your local Case dealer.

[ksss]

Also this
http://www.400series3.com/requestinfo/

[cat2]

WOW case is really improving

[ksss]

WOW case is really improving


I don't think they were far off of the mark before, but they certainly have made some improvements that were a long time in coming namely the cab. As well as power improvements to the 435 and 445. The single point for craning would be great. I am waiting for a 440 series 3 loaded up to hit the dock here. I am anxious to spend a day with it and see how it runs.

[mrsops]

I don't think they were far off of the mark before, but they certainly have made some improvements that were a long time in coming namely the cab. As well as power improvements to the 435 and 445. The single point for craning would be great. I am waiting for a 440 series 3 loaded up to hit the dock here. I am anxious to spend a day with it and see how it runs.

there making some improvments they have to step up to compete with the rest

[Lazer_Z]

I don't think they were far off of the mark before, but they certainly have made some improvements that were a long time in coming namely the cab. As well as power improvements to the 435 and 445. The single point for craning would be great. I am waiting for a 440 series 3 loaded up to hit the dock here. I am anxious to spend a day with it and see how it runs.
Let us know when you sign on the dotted line, because we all know you will.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Now that they have come out with a cup holder as standard equipment, they may be worth a look....... :)

[mrsops]

Now that they have come out with a cup holder as standard equipment, they may be worth a look....... :)

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[ksss]

there making some improvments they have to step up to compete with the rest


Yea right, you should talk your dad in to buying one. Since he is in the buying mood. You would throw rocks at your BC.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Sorry Ksss........I just couldn't resist and it was kind-of a "bait" move on my part 'cause I knew there would be a response........

[qps]

WOW case is really improving


well...there's no where to go but up......:laugh:
sorry...had to get my jab in....

[Tigerotor77W]

Thanks! I totally forgot about the 400series3.com site... d'oh!

[mrsops]

Yea right, you should talk your dad in to buying one. Since he is in the buying mood. You would throw rocks at your BC.

have to keep the bussiness going.. i told him to look into case and he laughed i dont know why but he did :laugh:. now is that nice throwing rocks at my bc :nono:

[Scag48]

I'd really like to try out a series 3 and put the hype to the test, see what all this "power tan" stuff is all about.

[ksss]

I'd really like to try out a series 3 and put the hype to the test, see what all this "power tan" stuff is all about.


Actually I would like to do the same. The CAT that Yellowdog bought seems very mortal. I told my salesman that I want an extended demo. I really want to see if the cab is as good as it sounds. I would like to spend more time on the pilots. The powertrain was already very strong, another 20 foot pounds will only make it more powerful. The cab and pilots are question mark for me.

[ksss]

well...there's no where to go but up......:laugh:
sorry...had to get my jab in.....:cool2:

I would have done the same........oh maybe I already have.:cool2:

[stuvecorp]

For Immediate Release
a detent switch that does not have to be held down for two-speed operation

My dealer will be happy for this, I have been whining for that at least ten years. Those extra lights on the boom do look dorky. Thanks, Ksss

[dozerman21]

My dealer will be happy for this, I have been whining for that at least ten years. Those extra lights on the boom do look dorky. Thanks, Ksss

No kidding... looks like something from Bob The Builder. Nothing like slappin' some snow plow lights on there. The cab lights look sleek though.

[BIGBEN2004]

My dealer will be happy for this, I have been whining for that at least ten years. Those extra lights on the boom do look dorky. Thanks, Ksss

When we bought a 95XT for the farm we had the dealer go to Radio Shack and get a click button that was red and looked like the original switch and put it in for us. It has worked for years without any problems except the machine will overheat if going in high gear for any long periods of time on the road. It looks factory installed and is nice to not have to hold the button in all the time.

[qps]

Those lights on the boom are just asking to get smashed...that is a dumb ideal....sorry man...the others look good...but like dm21 said..plowlights...lose one plowing snow, go steal one off your loader arm:laugh:..just from the pic the cab looks narrow,,,,I need a wide area to land my big butt..I would like to try one.....see what all the "hype" is about.....:weightlifter:

[Fieldman12]

The part that bugs me with Case. They have this totally new designed cab but I have yet to see any pics anywhere. In my opinion that is poor advertising on there part. Just the basic pic of the machine it looks about the same as before. Case give us some meat and potatoes here!!

[Fieldman12]

I did see several new E/H John Deere skid steers and CTL's yesterday at JD equipment. I must say they where pretty nice setting inside. When they get that pressurized cab next year look out. The lot had probably at least 30 new machines. Most I have ever seen there. Most of the big frame machine where E/H and Im sure that was expected. Allot of small frame machines setting there also. I looked at several minis. The boom looks heavy built on the 50.

[YellowDogSVC]

i love the idea of a side light system. Makes sense especially on a dark site. I once had to unload a tractor trailer at night out in the boonies with no moon and only the Bobcat lights which were blocked by the pallets and forks as I tried to unload. Extra lights would have been nice.

[ksss]

The part that bugs me with Case. They have this totally new designed cab but I have yet to see any pics anywhere. In my opinion that is poor advertising on there part. Just the basic pic of the machine it looks about the same as before. Case give us some meat and potatoes here!!

No arguements. This post was sent to me from CASE. I sent an email complaining of not having the Series 3 info on the website. This should have been up and running shortly after ConExpo at the latest. No excuse for that. Sounds like it will be a couple weeks before they launch it.

[ksss]

i love the idea of a side light system. Makes sense especially on a dark site. I once had to unload a tractor trailer at night out in the boonies with no moon and only the Bobcat lights which were blocked by the pallets and forks as I tried to unload. Extra lights would have been nice.

What I think I like about the lights (not have run one yet) is typically in a skid steer the lights shine straight out from the cab. When you turn left or right you cant see what is there until you already moving the machine. With side lighting you can see to the flanks before moving. Makes sense to me and I think it would be valuable.

[stuvecorp]

The part that bugs me with Case. They have this totally new designed cab but I have yet to see any pics anywhere. In my opinion that is poor advertising on there part. Just the basic pic of the machine it looks about the same as before. Case give us some meat and potatoes here!!

It has been disappointing that the new series3 hasen't been pushed more. On that series3 website there is just a few pics. I think I read that the series3 were shown at the Conrete Expo and ConEx, why not do a big campain and show those monsters off? The 420 I saw in town, the cab is way better than the old ones, I didn't get to run it around to see how quiet it was.

[Fieldman12]

I should have stopped at the Case Ih dealership on the way back from JD but seems like every time I stop there they only have two or three machines. I was stopping there for months and every time it was the same machines. I figured they probably still have not sold them yet. Case really needs to push harder. How can you ever expect to take some market share if you don't try. I will stop there next time Im over that way. Hopefully they will finally have at least one.

[YellowDogSVC]

What I think I like about the lights (not have run one yet) is typically in a skid steer the lights shine straight out from the cab. When you turn left or right you cant see what is there until you already moving the machine. With side lighting you can see to the flanks before moving. Makes sense to me and I think it would be valuable.

That was the issue I had unloading the stone. I was blinded by the light out front reflecting off the plastic wrapped on the stone as I unloaded the flatbed and then it was difficult to see where to turn. It was a tight, dark, construction site so I had to be careful with about 3800# on the pallets.

[qps]

The CASE salesman called today..when available we he be dropping off a new series III track machine to run side by side with my 297C..:weightlifter:

[xkv8r]

I think the have the info on http://casece.com.

[Construct'O]

The CASE salesman called today..when available we he be dropping off a new series III track machine to run side by side with my 297C..:weightlifter:

What size will you be testing, i'm guess the 450 :confused::usflag:

[stuvecorp]

The CASE salesman called today..when available we he be dropping off a new series III track machine to run side by side with my 297C..:weightlifter:

You get to have your own 'smackdown'. If you wear your special Case hat when he drops it off you may really confuse him. Have fun.:clapping:

[Digdug]

I think you will be surprised at the 450's power, it is quite a workhorse.
I have owned both Cat and Case and now have the Case track loaders.

[ksss]

It looks to me like they have not updated the site. They dropped the ball on this one.

[tbi]

Does case still make a skid steer? Who builds it New Holland?:laugh:

[ksss]

Does case still make a skid steer? Who builds it New Holland?:laugh:

Actually NH is built in the CASE factory. So tell us about yourself tbi? What do you do? Your public info doesn't say much, other than being in business for 20 years, it doesn't say anything.

[mrsops]

Actually NH is built in the CASE factory. So tell us about yourself tbi? What do you do? Your public info doesn't say much, other than being in business for 20 years, it doesn't say anything.

you see ksss this is what I'm telling you about guys from NY we don't see case skid steers anywhere nere here there forgotten one guy i know has one and hes trading it in for a deere.. i never really heard of anyone running case skids other then you and a few others on here very rare

[kreft]

ok, new holland makes a beast, is it fancy, no not really, is it quiet, the new ones yes, can it hog some dirt HELL YEA!!

[mrsops]

ok, new holland makes a beast, is it fancy, no not really, is it quiet, the new ones yes, can it hog some dirt HELL YEA!!

nh are def strong machines no question

[tbi]

Actually NH is built in the CASE factory. So tell us about yourself tbi? What do you do? Your public info doesn't say much, other than being in business for 20 years, it doesn't say anything.

Sorry but I'm not the puff up and brag type. Ask a question and I'll answer it.

The case dealer here mainly sells TK's. I wonder why?

I did try a NH 185 and it was an animal. I was going to buy a 175 for my rental busbiness but it was a dog. It wouldn't pick 2000#'s with the forks. :hammerhead:

[stuvecorp]

Sorry but I'm not the puff up and brag type. Ask a question and I'll answer it.

The case dealer here mainly sells TK's. I wonder why?

I did try a NH 185 and it was an animal. I was going to buy a 175 for my rental busbiness but it was a dog. It wouldn't pick 2000#'s with the forks. :hammerhead:

I have had 2 different NH's (665/170) and lift was never a weak point.:confused:

[tbi]

I have had 2 different NH's (665/170) and lift was never a weak point.:confused:

This thing just squealed. They checked the pressures and said everything was ok. They put a ton in the bucket and it picked it but it wasn't impressive by any means.

[cat2]

Sorry but I'm not the puff up and brag type. Ask a question and I'll answer it.

The case dealer here mainly sells TK's. I wonder why?

I did try a NH 185 and it was an animal. I was going to buy a 175 for my rental busbiness but it was a dog. It wouldn't pick 2000#'s with the forks. :hammerhead:



The back end didn't come up? did it. i heard were the hydraulics didn't have enough power

[kreft]

my dads new holland will lift more than its ROC no problem....

[stuvecorp]

Our second NH had steel tracks and foam filed tires, it lifted 3000# paver pallets off semis. It was right at the limit, you could feel it.

[ksss]

Sorry but I'm not the puff up and brag type. Ask a question and I'll answer it.

The case dealer here mainly sells TK's. I wonder why?

I did try a NH 185 and it was an animal. I was going to buy a 175 for my rental busbiness but it was a dog. It wouldn't pick 2000#'s with the forks. :hammerhead:


I was not asking you to puff up and brag, rather say what you do. The CASE dealer may sell TK. They have been building CTL's longer than anyone in the business. It was the same here, until they felt more comfortable with CASE CTL.

[mrsops]

I was not asking you to puff up and brag, rather say what you do. The CASE dealer may sell TK. They have been building CTL's longer than anyone in the business. It was the same here, until they felt more comfortable with CASE CTL.

when did case come out with there ctl???

[ksss]

you see ksss this is what I'm telling you about guys from NY we don't see case skid steers anywhere nere here there forgotten one guy i know has one and hes trading it in for a deere.. i never really heard of anyone running case skids other then you and a few others on here very rare

Well maybe your CASE dealer is weak I don't know. However, worldwide is CASE is behind BC in marketshare and near dead tie with NH which is ahead of CAT and Deere. As I was told today.

[mrsops]

Well maybe your CASE dealer is weak I don't know. However, worldwide is CASE is behind BC in marketshare and near dead tie with NH which is ahead of CAT and Deere. As I was told today.

very weak with skids steers i see alot of excavators thou.

[YellowDogSVC]

Well maybe your CASE dealer is weak I don't know. However, worldwide is CASE is behind BC in marketshare and near dead tie with NH which is ahead of CAT and Deere. As I was told today.


Ok this is off subject but I wanted to post my observations.

I sure see a lot of Case machines down here in TX.

In order, this is what I see:
Bobcat
Case/NH
Cat
gehl - deere
daewoo
not sure if I left one out

I think a lot of the time the dealer network is what gets an area "branded."

Bobcat has been selling skids here for over 30 yrs so they are the most popular by far. CAT is making a really good push but I still see a lot of Case machines and NH machines on jobsites. Rental places seem to be split between CAT and Bobcat.
This is for the San Antonio TX area.

[stuvecorp]

Wasn't the 1845 the best selling skid world wide? Around here most contractors had a 1845 even if they ran other brands. I think Case has lost some ground to Cat in the skid market but lately I have seen guys running 440's that were running other stuff.

[mrsops]

Ok this is off subject but I wanted to post my observations.

I sure see a lot of Case machines down here in TX.

In order, this is what I see:
Bobcat
Case/NH
Cat
gehl - deere
daewoo
not sure if I left one out

I think a lot of the time the dealer network is what gets an area "branded."

Bobcat has been selling skids here for over 30 yrs so they are the most popular by far. CAT is making a really good push but I still see a lot of Case machines and NH machines on jobsites. Rental places seem to be split between CAT and Bobcat.
This is for the San Antonio TX area.

in oder by me it would go like this
bobcat
cat
deere
nh
very few gehl
no case

[ksss]

CASE locally has 34% market share. Granted it is a small market compared to about everyone else on this forum. BC is a player, although I don't know to what percentage. Deere is also, all 300 series, I have not seen a 200 series in use for sometime. The word was the local dealer did the right thing and updated their customers into the newer machines very reasonably. There are a few CATs I can think of off hand that I see often. There are two Gehl machines. The 440 is by far the most popular machine here, followed by the 465. There are some major tree guys here. They run these weighted down, tracked up 95XT's and 465's. I'll bet those things weight 13K pounds, with 50" tree spades on them. If you question CASE's durability you should talk with these guys.

[mrsops]

im going to give the local case dealer a call and have him bring me out a machine im sure he will be real happy to get a call on a skid steer. i want to put it up against my bobcats

[ksss]

Tell them you want the Series 3 440 or 465. You will be impressed (not that you will tell us that). I would like to hear what you think.

[mrsops]

Tell them you want the Series 3 440 or 465. You will be impressed (not that you will tell us that). I would like to hear what you think.

im 100% honest in everything i demo.. ksss dude you need to chill out with the low blows :nono:

[tbi]

I was not asking you to puff up and brag, rather say what you do. The CASE dealer may sell TK. They have been building CTL's longer than anyone in the business. It was the same here, until they felt more comfortable with CASE CTL.

Excavate, pave, landscape, sweep parking lots, property maintenance, athletic field renovations, demo etc.......
The Case dealer has never offered to demo a Case but has done TK's on several occasions.

[ksss]

Excavate, pave, landscape, sweep parking lots, property maintenance, athletic field renovations, demo etc.......
The Case dealer has never offered to demo a Case but has done TK's on several occasions.

Intersting, a CASE dealer who wont demo you a skid steer, but will demo you a TK tracked machine. Can't explain it.

[ksss]

im 100% honest in everything i demo.. ksss dude you need to chill out with the low blows :nono:

Chill out? man I piss ice cubes. Well, I look forward to hearing what you think. I have yet to see a Series 3 machine hit the ground here yet. You would likely see one out there before I do.

[mrsops]

Chill out? man I piss ice cubes. Well, I look forward to hearing what you think. I have yet to see a Series 3 machine hit the ground here yet. You would likely see one out there before I do.

called the case dealer today he told me a few weeks he can get one out to me :confused:

[stuvecorp]

called the case dealer today he told me a few weeks he can get one out to me :confused:

Sorry to hear that Mrsops, Case can't afford to have an attitude with guys. Our Case dealer is that way, couple weeks and they hope you forget. I get very angry at the sales but the service department is great, that is one reason I stay with Case and now Kobelco equipment.

[Scag48]

Maybe they don't have a series 3 machine to send to you yet, SOPS. It's possible they haven't hit the ground there either. Shopping for stuff sucks, I just bought a new car yesterday, what a hassle. I'm glad it's over with.

[mrsops]

Maybe they don't have a series 3 machine to send to you yet, SOPS. It's possible they haven't hit the ground there either. Shopping for stuff sucks, I just bought a new car yesterday, what a hassle. I'm glad it's over with.

yeah series 3 he said should be in in a few weeks.. i did tell him I'm not going to purchase one i just wanted to demo it see what it was all about. I've been in case machines before i just don't know about the durability of them..

[ksss]

Maybe they don't have a series 3 machine to send to you yet, SOPS. It's possible they haven't hit the ground there either. Shopping for stuff sucks, I just bought a new car yesterday, what a hassle. I'm glad it's over with.


So what did you get? BMW, Volvo, another Audi?:clapping:

[RockSet N' Grade]

Scag probably got a VW van with a fold down bed in the back for all the hot chicks.....who cares the van didn't come with a motor! Come on Scag, spill the beans.......:nono::waving::jester::jester::jester:

[stuvecorp]

So, Scag what kind of hot rod did you get?

On the new series3, I would like to see the 440 get a stronger axle (the 445 one?) and get the same strength chain (120) as the 450 and 465. With that much power and guys starting to run them with the VTS I think it would prevent possible issues down the road.

[Scag48]

Alright, bought an '04 Honda Civic, 45K miles, came with 2 years of powertrain warranty, not that a Honda with this few miles needs a warranty but whatever. She's red and goes fast enough for me and should get 35 MPG, although I've only driven back home from the dealership thus far. It's not a hot rod, but it's economical and will last damn near forever. Wanted a small pickup, but gas prices are just too ridiculous. I'm estimating 400 miles per week of driving this summer once I start the union gig, gas will already cost me $200 a month with those miles with this car, tack on another $150 a month for a small pickup and that explodes my budget.

I just picked it up tonight, had to get ahold of my insurance guy before I drive it off the lot and couldn't get a ride yesterday. Showed up at 8PM to grab the keys, get in the car and the battery died at some point so the CD player needs the reset code. Of course nobody there at 8PM can fix it, so I gotta run it back down in the next couple days to have them reboot the headunit. No big deal, but whatever.

[tbi]

Alright, bought an '04 Honda Civic, 45K miles, came with 2 years of powertrain warranty, not that a Honda with this few miles needs a warranty but whatever. She's red and goes fast enough for me and should get 35 MPG, although I've only driven back home from the dealership thus far. It's not a hot rod, but it's economical and will last damn near forever. Wanted a small pickup, but gas prices are just too ridiculous. I'm estimating 400 miles per week of driving this summer once I start the union gig, gas will already cost me $200 a month with those miles with this car, tack on another $150 a month for a small pickup and that explodes my budget.

I just picked it up tonight, had to get ahold of my insurance guy before I drive it off the lot and couldn't get a ride yesterday. Showed up at 8PM to grab the keys, get in the car and the battery died at some point so the CD player needs the reset code. Of course nobody there at 8PM can fix it, so I gotta run it back down in the next couple days to have them reboot the headunit. No big deal, but whatever.


Are you going to put some Timbren Bushings on it so you can haul a 312?:headphones:

[Scag48]

All my equipment is moved via lowboy.

[ksss]

That is a lot of miles to cover every week. Especially since the word I hear is that next week the prices are expected to jump another .20 cents per gallon. Did happen to see if they offer a tow package for the Civic? I think I will park my 5500.:dizzy:

[Scag48]

Fuel prices are what they are, just gotta do something to cope with them.

[RockSet N' Grade]

I just spent another $450 filling some diesel cans, pick up truck and a few other things.....didn't fill the dump truck, which kinda scares me to even think of. I have even considered getting a saki-sipper for run-a-bout errands instead of driving my rigs....if fuel goes up past $5 or $6 a gallon, it may be the smart alternative.......Good planning and thinking on your part Scag........

[Scag48]

I'm a "no-frills" kinda guy, this car is more economical than anything. I had the nice car for a while, the Audi picked up the girls real quick, but those are the ones you don't want anyway. You know what they say, fast cars, even faster women. That stage of my life is behind me for the most part, now I'm going to start building my empire and spending money on frivelous items doesn't excite me much anymore.

[mrsops]

I'm a "no-frills" kinda guy, this car is more economical than anything. I had the nice car for a while, the Audi picked up the girls real quick, but those are the ones you don't want anyway. You know what they say, fast cars, even faster women. That stage of my life is behind me for the most part, now I'm going to start building my empire and spending money on frivelous items doesn't excite me much anymore.

aren't you like 21?? you should be picking up as many girls as you can dude

[KTM]

Dealer just got some 430 series 3's in, went and checked them out. It is actually a little harder for a big guy like me to get in the cab, still way better than a J.D. my buddy who is a Case tech said the best improvements are the ease of service changes they made. I will be demoing as soon (if ever) it dries out.

[ksss]

I like to hear from someone who has demoed a 430-3. I am curious how the new turboed motor runs compared to the higher torque rated but no turbo motor of old compares. Did the 430-3 have a cab?

[Scag48]

aren't you like 21?? you should be picking up as many girls as you can dude

You're right, but it seems like the more flashy car you have, the greater your chances of picking up a complete waste of time female. I'm a pretty busy guy, I don't need the hassles of a clingy or materialistic girlfriend who requires more time and money than I could possibly provide. I'm not advocating against the occasional one night stand, that happens every once in a while, but it also usually ends up going nowhere or the girl goes crazy and wants to get serious. Seems like you can never hook up with a girl for one night that you would actually want to date, the ones that are good for the long run are never that easy. Haha

Also curious to see how the series 3 machines play out.

[KTM]

The one I was in did not have a cab, the only cab models they had were old models, pilot controls just stuck in a little more than the old controls, had A cup holder which although it seemed like it was in a weird spot was nice. I have never really looked at the quik tach on A Case, I did today and it looked very vulnerable, overall they looked like nice machines.
I agree you do not need girls who like you for your car lol.

[mrsops]

You're right, but it seems like the more flashy car you have, the greater your chances of picking up a complete waste of time female. I'm a pretty busy guy, I don't need the hassles of a clingy or materialistic girlfriend who requires more time and money than I could possibly provide. I'm not advocating against the occasional one night stand, that happens every once in a while, but it also usually ends up going nowhere or the girl goes crazy and wants to get serious. Seems like you can never hook up with a girl for one night that you would actually want to date, the ones that are good for the long run are never that easy. Haha

Also curious to see how the series 3 machines play out.

how are the girls out there by you??? over here the chicks in nyc are crazyyyyyyyyy

[Scag48]

They're crazy here too, beyond crazy actually. Last night a buddy of mine who I work with told me he was having a surprise party for his girlfriend at a buddy of his' place. He invited a bunch of my crew to show up, so I showed up with a 6 pack of tall boys ready to rock. Turns out, there was a big fight between him and his girlfiend at the party just before I arrived, my buddy wasn't even there when I got there. His girlfriend is a lunatic and apparently was getting a little too friendly with a couple other guys at the party, my buddy was hammered and flipped out, threw his cell phone and smashed the hell out of it, therefore I couldn't get ahold of him. All of this occured because his girlfriend can't keep herself out of the reaches of other dudes at parties, we've seen it happen numerous times, my buddy and I actually had a $10 side bet that by the time we showed up, our buddy from work would already be gone because his girlfriend pulls the stupidest sh!t at parties, he always flips out and bounces, then somehow they magically work things out and have been dating for about 9 or 10 months now. Nuts. One time she got mad at him at a party and tried to throw him down a flight of stairs, that was a good night. The funny thing is, she's typically never intoxicated, she'll have a couple beers but never gets inebriated. Lunatic women...

So the guy I had the side bet with lives about 2 minutes from the party location, I drove over there quick to tell him not to show up, the party was a no-go as everyone was leaving and the guy who owned the house almost freaked out on me when I showed up and he had no clue who I was. We ended up throwing our own get together at my other buddy's place, we landed a good ratio of 5 guys to 6 girls before the night was over.

[bobcat_ron]

You're right, but it seems like the more flashy car you have, the greater your chances of picking up a complete waste of time female. I'm a pretty busy guy, I don't need the hassles of a clingy or materialistic girlfriend who requires more time and money than I could possibly provide. I'm not advocating against the occasional one night stand, that happens every once in a while, but it also usually ends up going nowhere or the girl goes crazy and wants to get serious. Seems like you can never hook up with a girl for one night that you would actually want to date, the ones that are good for the long run are never that easy. Haha

Also curious to see how the series 3 machines play out.

Put the hitch option on the Case skids and you can literally haul some seriously fine ass!

[ksss]

My response to high diesel prices was today I bought the first gas pickup in my life.

08 Chev excab shortbox 1500 4.8 liter 3:42. Think I can pull a skid steer.....please I am just kidding, I just needed something to run bids and such.

[mrsops]

My response to high diesel prices was today I bought the first gas pickup in my life.

08 Chev excab shortbox 1500 4.8 liter 3:42. Think I can pull a skid steer.....please I am just kidding, I just needed something to run bids and such.

CONGRATS GOOD LUCK

[stuvecorp]

My response to high diesel prices was today I bought the first gas pickup in my life.

08 Chev excab shortbox 1500 4.8 liter 3:42. Think I can pull a skid steer.....please I am just kidding, I just needed something to run bids and such.

I like the new body style Chevy/GMC's, they also can get about the best mileage out of the new trucks from we what I've heard. Don't those trucks have 10,000 pound tow rating? I parked my 350 this winter and got a Isuzu pickup, it's like driving a go-cart everywhere, but it's alot cheaper.

[Fieldman12]

I let my Duramax sit in the barn all winter. I have been driving my POS Chevrolet Lumina that has almost 200,000 miles on it. It gets me around but that is it. It has a list a mile long of things that need fixed. It's not worth anything though so I dont fix them. As long as it runs and has heat im happy. I have 7,700 on the new Duramax.

[ksss]

I like the new body style Chevy/GMC's, they also can get about the best mileage out of the new trucks from we what I've heard. Don't those trucks have 10,000 pound tow rating? I parked my 350 this winter and got a Isuzu pickup, it's like driving a go-cart everywhere, but it's alot cheaper.


Some certainly do, but this one don't. I considered every possible mix, including 6.0 with the new 6 speed, the 5.3 with 3:73 and the 4.8 with 3:42. The only thing this might have to pull is a couple ATV's on weekends. I ran bids on Friday, figured it cost me about $50.00 in Diesel in my 3500. Considering all the running around a guy does I needed to do something to offset the costs. From here on my diesel trucks are not leaving the yard unless there is a trailer tied to the back of them.

I got the truck for 21,200, power windows, locks, ac, locking rear, 4X4 and couple other small things. They had about 4K rebates combined with about a 1k on my GM card and 500 off as an AGC member, it helped get the price down.

[stuvecorp]

That seems like a really good price for a new truck. For the fuel savings it would make the payment.

[ksss]

That seems like a really good price for a new truck. For the fuel savings it would make the payment.

That is what I came up with as well. A months worth of diesel would more than cover the payment. Also I am not putting unneeded miles on my 3500.

[stuvecorp]

I was going by the Chevy dealer this afternoon, you got a monster deal compared to what they were selling here for. I am curious what kind of mileage you will get with your new truck.

[ksss]

I will have an idea shortly. I did get a smokin deal on it. I like driving it. Doesn't have the CDI factor of my 3500 but it works for what it is.

[totm]

it doesn't look like they addressed all of the problems with the 465!!!!
we need to purchase a hydrostatic pump for our 465, we have to purchase it from case
we will NOT purchase anything from Titian machinery, do you know of any dealers in
Minnesota, ND, SD or Montana that we could contact.
Case voided all of our warranty on our NEW case 465, says we didn't have approved equipment even though it was Titan that sold us the bobcat stump grinder that we used
that overheated the hydraulic system after case had a recall and Titan had our skid steer and "fixed" the problem. well the pump drive motor has a crack in it and we have to dump in oil hourly!!!! we are currently trying out different brands as we need to purchase two more machines. Gehl is one we are trying to demo, any comments on their performance.

[dozerman21]

it doesn't look like they addressed all of the problems with the 465!!!!
we need to purchase a hydrostatic pump for our 465, we have to purchase it from case
we will NOT purchase anything from Titian machinery, do you know of any dealers in
Minnesota, ND, SD or Montana that we could contact.
Case voided all of our warranty on our NEW case 465, says we didn't have approved equipment even though it was Titan that sold us the bobcat stump grinder that we used
that overheated the hydraulic system after case had a recall and Titan had our skid steer and "fixed" the problem. well the pump drive motor has a crack in it and we have to dump in oil hourly!!!! we are currently trying out different brands as we need to purchase two more machines. Gehl is one we are trying to demo, any comments on their performance.


Did you post about this sometime last year? Something doesn't sound right. Is there any more to the story? I don't see how your machine couldn't be covered under warranty even if the stump grinder is what caused the drive motor to go bad. I'm guessing that you have already contacted Case directly and told them what happened, and you had no luck?

[RockSet N' Grade]

Case is a good piece of equipment........just goes to show, if you don't have a dealers support, it doesn't matter what type of equipment it is. I run a Gehl 5640 Turbo and like it.....and one of the reasons I got it is because I get outstanding dealer support. I would probably choose something else if the support wasn't there. I guess if I was you, I would start with dealer support and work it backwards from there.

[totm]

yes I wrote before about the problems we have had with this case machine,
it is really a shame that case wouldn't admit to the problems and that the dealer wouldn't admit to poor service work, plus the salesman (whom no longer works there) was not properly trained on what features to recommend.
one of the problems was the wrong tires were mounted on the wrong rims.
we just had a Cat to demo and it will not work for us, the case is a better machine but with the many problems we wouldn't buy another 465, another problem with the 465 is the exhaust is right next to the air intake and that is not good!!!! plus the operator is covered with dirt at the end of the day cause the air suction is so bad and the cab leaks so profusely. when the dealership "fixed" the overheating recall they created a leak in the line that only leaked when the high flow was used and it was not visible to the operator, so the oil kept leaking out and the system would overheat!!
we feel it is a lemon and that case should have just taken it back, two of the wheels have broken off the machine, the heater doesn't keep the feet even cool, let alone warm, again because of all the suction. this is just a few of the problems!!!
we would really like to try a Gehl, but none of the dealers around here have any in stock or don't return our phone calls, might have to try some Canadian dealers

[AWJ Services]

I have mentioned this several times before but the manufacturer will only loss so much money on a warranty repair.The bottom line is they want too make money not give it back in service.
I have been in a situation with several manufacturers on the corporate level and this quite common place.

[ksss]

I looked into this and ma'am the story you tell does not include the entire story. Reference our emails I spoke with CASE engineering who promptly contacted Titan equipment. To be quite frank, I looked like an ass by the time it was done. The stump grinder was not the issue, how about the attachment your husband designed. The attachment that pulls entire trees out of the ground. Apparently there are pictures of you guys pulling large trees out of frozen ground. CASE did not stand behind that machine because you abused it plain and simple. Do you really think that CASE or any OEM should be held accountable for some crazy homemade attachment? This one lifts trees out of the ground. Do you think that CASE engineering sits around building a machine that can handle the stresses that are generated by lifting large trees from the ground? The reason that you are supposed to use approved attachments is because someone did determine that the machine can safely run said attachment. When you build your own attachment especially like yours you have no idea the issues you cause the machine, no one does, hell you dreamed with attachment up.

I will say that the salesman could have helped you out when you bought the machine reference the Lexan door, the tire issue I guess should not have happened. However when you build an attachment yourself, especially one like you built and you screw up the machine, that is on you. No one is going to warranty the machine against such damage. If you read the fine print in all OEM literature you will see the words "approved attachments only". Gehl is not going to be any different. My understanding was that CASE repoed the 465.


There is nothing wrong with the 465. It is one of the heaviest duty machines available. You know that I suspect, which is why you bought it to serve as your host platform for your attachment. Many in the attachment industry also select the 465 to prototype from. With your husbands connections in the industry, you certainly could have got a Bobcat. My suggestion is to learn from what happened and move on.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Well........hi dee ho neighbor! Always seems to be a flip side to every coin!

[AWJ Services]

"As The World turns":)

[Construct'O]

" Paul Harvey ,the rest of the story:dancing: !!!!!!!!!! "

Sounds like they needed a large wheel loader or large steel tracked loader :hammerhead:instead of skidsteer,be it a Case or any other brand:rolleyes::usflag:

[AWJ Services]

This post stinks without pictures.:rolleyes:

[dozerman21]

This post stinks without pictures.:rolleyes:

Go back to the thread "Something For All You Case Nuts".

I think we finally know the story behind that picture. Instead of a "465 with a crack in the pump drive motor from pulling out trees", someone bent the cylinders on a 95XT from ramming trees!:laugh: It all makes sense now.

[AWJ Services]

I remember the thread back some time ago but I never saw any pictures of the unapproved attachment.It has me curious as how it could overstress the machine and cause damage.
I am not doubting anyone just curious.

[ksss]

I remember the thread back some time ago but I never saw any pictures of the unapproved attachment.It has me curious as how it could overstress the machine and cause damage.
I am not doubting anyone just curious.

I would like to see it as well. I was told about it but a picture is worth 1000 words.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Nothing like being called on the carpet.......I will bet dollars to donuts that all the response you will get is a 1000 words........or more likely, no more response at all....

[totm]

I have tried to respond to this 4 times today and my DIAL up computer keeps disconnecting and I lose the whole response, so here goes again

response to the "rest of the story"
we purchased a $58,000 case 465 and it is a LEMON and Titan machinery apparently doesn't believe in lemons and also doesn't stand by their customers.
If the attachment we used was not approved then WHY would the dealer spend two days hooking it up to the skid steer!!!! also if you have ever been in central ND you will know that there are very few trees let alone large ones unless 20' is large an NO we do not pull out trees even in thawed ground
I don't know about the reference about being involved with bobcat, the only thing we did was purchase a bobcat stump grinder from the case dealer.
as I stated the salesman that sold us the skid is no longer working there, but that didn't correct anything for us. as in the wheel problem, wrong tires on the wrong rims, so the tires would spin on the rims, and the dealer said we had to foam them which we did at our expense and then when one wheel tore off the skid, in searching for a rim we were informed that the tires we had on the rims were for heavy duty rims which we thought we had as that is what we wanted and we got light duty, and that is why the tires slipped!!!
which is NOT from an attachment, the overheating recall that was incorrectly repaired by the dealer, they created a leak in the high flow which was not visible from the cab, which then overheated the hydraulic system and the machine was taken in more than once and they couldn't find the problem, we just happened to have a worker by the machine when the stump grinder was working and he saw the oil coming out, that was from an approved attachment, also the air intake next to the exhaust, the serviceability of changing filters, the access plate missing from the under carriage, the hoses too short they rub and wear down, the cab leaks so profusely that you would be better off without one, non from an attachment,
also when the dealer hooked up the attachment they unhooked the back up warning and a sensor that controlled the ride, we found that out after using it for a year
but at this point it really doesn't matter since case voided all warranty.

we had a Cat dealer come and see what we do, they said NO PROBLEM with what we do and provided a demo for the weekend, but we didn't like it, especially the hand controls, we will not purchase any new machine without them checking out what we do, which is taking down trees but not pulling them out, and not crashing into them either, I'll have to find those threads
we do OWN chainsaws!!! and brush grapples we also use an 1845C and a New Holand, the attachment was first used on the 1845C so you would think that the 465 would be able to handle with it!!!
why make a heavy duty high powered machine if it can't do what a smaller one can!!!
I said we need to just buy some used 1845's and the heck with new machines!!!! could buy a few for $58,000

but men and more POWER!!!!
Tim the Toolman!!!!!

[stuvecorp]

It would help if you could post some pictures of your attachment because from your story it sounds like there was some bad stuff but you must have been real hard on the machine for all the issues described.

[totm]

I found the case nuts thread and NO that is not us!!!
our attachment has hydraulics that do the work

[ksss]

I have tried to respond to this 4 times today and my DIAL up computer keeps disconnecting and I lose the whole response, so here goes again

response to the "rest of the story"
we purchased a $58,000 case 465 and it is a LEMON and Titan machinery apparently doesn't believe in lemons and also doesn't stand by their customers.
If the attachment we used was not approved then WHY would the dealer spend two days hooking it up to the skid steer!!!! also if you have ever been in central ND you will know that there are very few trees let alone large ones unless 20' is large an NO we do not pull out trees even in thawed ground
I don't know about the reference about being involved with bobcat, the only thing we did was purchase a bobcat stump grinder from the case dealer.
as I stated the salesman that sold us the skid is no longer working there, but that didn't correct anything for us. as in the wheel problem, wrong tires on the wrong rims, so the tires would spin on the rims, and the dealer said we had to foam them which we did at our expense and then when one wheel tore off the skid, in searching for a rim we were informed that the tires we had on the rims were for heavy duty rims which we thought we had as that is what we wanted and we got light duty, and that is why the tires slipped!!!
which is NOT from an attachment, the overheating recall that was incorrectly repaired by the dealer, they created a leak in the high flow which was not visible from the cab, which then overheated the hydraulic system and the machine was taken in more than once and they couldn't find the problem, we just happened to have a worker by the machine when the stump grinder was working and he saw the oil coming out, that was from an approved attachment, also the air intake next to the exhaust, the serviceability of changing filters, the access plate missing from the under carriage, the hoses too short they rub and wear down, the cab leaks so profusely that you would be better off without one, non from an attachment,
also when the dealer hooked up the attachment they unhooked the back up warning and a sensor that controlled the ride, we found that out after using it for a year
but at this point it really doesn't matter since case voided all warranty.

we had a Cat dealer come and see what we do, they said NO PROBLEM with what we do and provided a demo for the weekend, but we didn't like it, especially the hand controls, we will not purchase any new machine without them checking out what we do, which is taking down trees but not pulling them out, and not crashing into them either, I'll have to find those threads
we do OWN chainsaws!!! and brush grapples we also use an 1845C and a New Holand, the attachment was first used on the 1845C so you would think that the 465 would be able to handle with it!!!
why make a heavy duty high powered machine if it can't do what a smaller one can!!!
I said we need to just buy some used 1845's and the heck with new machines!!!! could buy a few for $58,000

but men and more POWER!!!!
Tim the Toolman!!!!!

I grew up in Central North Dakota, not that far from you. The BC branded stump grinder is not an approved attachment. Not that it should be an issue but it is not an approved attachment. Post a picture of this attachment I heard so much about. I would like to see for myself.

[tbi]

Everyone should keep a Case SS around. just in CASE there isn't a real machine to use.

[AWJ Services]

KSSS

When I purchased my Takeuchi there was no list of approved attachments?
Obviously I have never owned a Case so I am not doubting you about the approved attachments ,but I would be very wary about purchasing a piece of equipment with such limitations.


and brush grapples we also use an 1845C and a New Holand, the attachment was first used on the 1845C so you would think that the 465 would be able to handle with it!!!

It would seeem so.
Thanks for giving your side of the story.

[totm]

The BC branded stump grinder is not an approved attachment. Not that it should be an issue but it is not an approved attachment.
why would a dealer sell you and hook up an attachment if it is NOT an approved attachment. AHHHHHH more money, can void warranty!!!!!! we learn as we go!!! guess every one needs to have something in writing before purchasing as to what attachments they will use so the warranty is valid, so if we only used the stump grinder, Case could still tell us we used an unapproved attachment???? INTERESTING since that is what we used when the system overheated!!!
once again the MAIN problem is the overheating of the hydraulic system and there was a recall on that the day we finally received the skid steer, (took 4 months to get the skid steer) and it was not repaired correctly by the dealers service department.
so I wonder if Bobcat approves their stump grinder, as we are going to demo a bobcat in the near future
any comments on a Deere skid???
would like to try a Gehl or Mustang but none in ND and that would create a service issue.

[dozerman21]

Everyone should keep a Case SS around. just in CASE there isn't a real machine to use.

Enlighten us with what a "real" machine might be.:rolleyes:

[tbi]

Enlighten us with what a "real" machine might be.:rolleyes:

A real machine is whatever works for you.

[AWJ Services]

Enlighten us with what a "real" machine might be

It is quite clear he is refering too Takeuchi.:clapping:

[ksss]

The BC branded stump grinder is not an approved attachment. Not that it should be an issue but it is not an approved attachment.
why would a dealer sell you and hook up an attachment if it is NOT an approved attachment. AHHHHHH more money, can void warranty!!!!!! we learn as we go!!! guess every one needs to have something in writing before purchasing as to what attachments they will use so the warranty is valid, so if we only used the stump grinder, Case could still tell us we used an unapproved attachment???? INTERESTING since that is what we used when the system overheated!!!
once again the MAIN problem is the overheating of the hydraulic system and there was a recall on that the day we finally received the skid steer, (took 4 months to get the skid steer) and it was not repaired correctly by the dealers service department.
so I wonder if Bobcat approves their stump grinder, as we are going to demo a bobcat in the near future
any comments on a Deere skid???
would like to try a Gehl or Mustang but none in ND and that would create a service issue.


It sounded to me like CASE had an issue with your particular homemade attachment. That would be the tree plunking attachment. I would still like to see the picture of the skid steer hooked up to this attachment. I run many attachments that are not CASE branded or approved CASE attachments. Two of which were homemade and hyd. run. I will not argue that Titan equipment didn't do a great job by you on several points with this machine. That is why I went to the people that could help. However due to the overwhelming evidence of abuse they opted not to warranty it. I listened to your story and felt that it had merit as you presented it, I contacted CASE and Titan on your behalf as I said I would. I then get the other side of the story. Honestly if you feel you have been wronged you should pursue the matter in civil court. You spent a lot of money on a machine and if you feel the warranty was not honored as it is written than go to court. Its your money.

ATTACHMENTS. If you run an attachment that is not approved by an OEM, and that attachment causes a failure of a component you may have a hard time getting warranty coverage if that point is known to the dealer or OEM. The reason is everyone specs the attachments for their machine in particular, due to the number of attachments not all attachments will be approved. As long as the attachment does not cause a problem its not an issue. This is most often the case, however with high flow attachments you have to be more careful. Many attachment OEMs (Loftness comes to mind) spec the hyd motors for your machine in particular. They are not a one size fits all kinda deal like a grapple bucket. Look at like this if you build say a high flow tree plucker attachment and you screw up the hyd system, does anyone think that if the OEM knows that they will or should cover the repair? Or how about this example, using another OEMs stump grinder should not cause a problem one would think, high flow is high flow right? Except in this case, the 465 runs it high flow at approx 40 gpm a minute. Until just recently, BC could only muster about 30 gpm. I suspect that the attachment if older was most likely speced for 30 gpm Bobcat high flow machines (remember BC is making this attachment with their machines in mind not everyone elses). It was receiving 10 gpm with no where to go and thus creating a back pressure issue, like causing the valves to run over relief and thus a heating issue. I am only guessing on this particular situation but the senerio can playout for any attachment or OEM. That is why you must pay attention to flow rates, and psi when buying attachments like this (high flow in particular). If this is indeed what happened than Titan should not have sold you the attachment. However that is an issue with Titan not a CASE manufacturing problem.


I hope that this clarifies the issue.