Check out the Skid steer smackdown

[G ZMAN]

http://www.skidsteersmackdown.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS8C5DQxvpQ

:weightlifter:

[kreft]

Wonder how the NH will stack up?

[bobcat_ron]

It won't be there, just like that last "rodeo". NH comes too close to Deere's lift and ROC capabilities, so they will most likely eliminate them PDQ.

[YellowDogSVC]

I'd like to see an independent smackdown too but that is definitely creative and kudos to Deere for putting it together.

[G ZMAN]

http://www.skidsteersmackdown.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AABSxqgxP0

[G ZMAN]

Impressive, cant wait for the entire event

[Macdiesiel]

That sucks,I want to see and independent smackdown

[catmando]

Just watched the Coming Attractions video on www.skidsteersmackdown.com and Tuesday seems to be the Big Day.

Looks like Deere will have the skid steers heading up a big hill. That will be fun to watch.

Again, I wonder if they will include Caterpillar.

:usflag:

[Macdiesiel]

After seeing this video I would have to say deere suck too.

[G ZMAN]

Deere is paying the bill obviously as their promotion but the operators were unbiased professionals. Can't say I blame them for creating courses that tout their abilities. Like being able to climb steeper hills then Bobcat and Cat... would seem to be an advantage for Deere so why not promote it?

[NHMan]

Deere is paying the bill obviously as their promotion but the operators were unbiased professionals. Can't say I blame them for creating courses that tout their abilities. Like being able to climb steeper hills then Bobcat and Cat... would seem to be an advantage for Deere so why not promote it?

Unbiased professionals?? Where do they get the list of "unbiased professionals"?

Answer: Current satisfied users

Cheers to them on competition that is "not" biased. No worries though, all manufactures do it.

[catmando]

Just got back from www.skidsteersmackdown.com

The first battle is now live and I have to admit it really looks cool, although they made a monkey out my beloved Cat.

I'm sure there will be a lot of debate about this hill climb question, but let's ask a question we all really want to know about - who is the card girl?

Anyway the Deere seems pretty nimble to me, and I have to admit my 226 is pretty clumsy getting up inclines.

Thoughts?*trucewhiteflag*

[Scag48]

This is bogus, I'm on the west coast, it's only 10:30 PM here on the 14th, won't let me watch the first video yet :hammerhead:

[catmando]

do you have the right link:

www.skidsteersmackdown.com?
:confused:

[AWJ Services]

It looks like the bucket is smaller on the Deere.
Pretty cool video though.

[bobcat_ron]

It looks like the bucket is smaller on the Deere.
Pretty cool video though.


Deere's bucket are always smaller, that what gives them the edge in the pushing contest from the last CTL vid we all saw, the material just bubbles over the top. When ever I try out machines, I use the same bucket on every machine, makes things a little more even.

[Digdeep]

Deere's bucket are always smaller, that what gives them the edge in the pushing contest from the last CTL vid we all saw, the material just bubbles over the top. When ever I try out machines, I use the same bucket on every machine, makes things a little more even.

Take a close look at Deere's advertised breakout figures and tipping loads. They use a foundry bucket instead of a standard dirt bucket. The fact that the bucket floor is much shorter and closer to the machine makes their breakout forces seem huge compared to others. They do have good breakout but it be more realistic if they used a standard dirt bucket like everyone else. The foundry bucket reduces the dump reach by something close to 7 inches. Imagine the difference in tip load and breakout if you reduced your bucket lip 7 inches.

[bobcat_ron]

I'm still going to boycott the skid steer smack down.

[catmando]

boycott huh?

We should get a picket line going

except they might now us down with that new giant high speed dozer

[Tigerotor77W]

It looks like the bucket is smaller on the Deere.
Pretty cool video though.

You actually want a bigger bucket to go uphill... more weight up front.

I'm kind of amused that the Cat came in dead last... it looked like it couldn't put power to the wheels to go up the hill. On the contrary, the Bobcat seemed like it had a TON of torque and actually was in first until it hit the first hill.

[Scag48]

Thanks Deere for another bogus test. If you look closely during the introduction, you can see that the far left lane where the Deere travels down, the moguls are shorter in elevation and they get steeper toward the Cat's side. You can also see it from the sky-cam view during the race. I can't stand this bogus propaganda. I would be fine with it if they would make things 100% fair, but again, Deere can't do anything honest. This just makes me not want to ever buy a Deere even more.

[catmando]

Aw come on...

Deere is just having some fun showcasing one of their product advantages

If you ask me it looks like if any side is lower it was the one Caterpillar was driving on and I'm a Cat man. But I can face up to some of the weaknesses of any machine.

[Scag48]

I agree that no machine is perfect, but the lane the Deere travelled down definately had shorter moguls, at least the first two, couldn't quite tell on the last big one.

[catmando]

Yea, but even if that's true did you see what happened to our 226 on that big hill?

It looked like it was going to do a backwards summersault down the hill.

We'll get 'em on the weight lifting round that is coming up...:weightlifter:

[Scag48]

You're right, but I'd like to see that Deere go up the same lane as the Cat and see what happens.

[mrsops]

You're right, but I'd like to see that Deere go up the same lane as the Cat and see what happens.

me to scag... are all these competions only between deere bobcat and cat?? what about new holland or case?

[mrsops]

when they were introducing the machines the announcer said it was a deere 315... when they started the competition the announcer says deere 313 then at the end he says 315 LOL what the hell was it a 315 or a 313? i would think it would be a 315 because that's compared to the 226 and the s150.. the 313 would be compared to the s130 and the 216... you think they picked those guys out of the audience or what :laugh: and where the hell was the bobcat s150 k series he was using and older s150

[BIGBEN2004]

Yea, but even if that's true did you see what happened to our 226 on that big hill?

It looked like it was going to do a backwards summersault down the hill.

We'll get 'em on the weight lifting round that is coming up...:weightlifter:

Unfortionally Cat nor anyone else will win in any of these events. Cat will not win at lifting nor any event. Sorry to let you in on the secret.:laugh:

[mrsops]

Unfortionally Cat nor anyone else will win in any of these events. Cat will not win at lifting nor any event. Sorry to let you in on the secret.:laugh:

yeah if anything deere will out lift bobcat and cat.. that really is true thou deere is going to win in everything :laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

Totally unfair, always go back wards up hill. Shenanigans I say!!!!

[Lazer_Z]

Ron, You and the rest of us non Deere brainwashed folks know Deere is going to "take it all" they have too. it's all corporate $$$$$.

[bobcat_ron]

Yeah I know, still, SHENANIGANS!

[shovelracer]

All this hype about the deere's weight distribution, but the other 2 looked a lot more in control going back while the deere definitely nose slams the ground on the big bump. My question is are the drivers biased or are they actual reps for their company. I vote paid actors.

[mrsops]

All this hype about the deere's weight distribution, but the other 2 looked a lot more in control going back while the deere definitely nose slams the ground on the big bump. My question is are the drivers biased or are they actual reps for their company. I vote paid actors.

yeah i seen that guy nose dive he should of lifted the bucket up some more when coming down.. i bet you those guys couldn't do any type of real work with the machines

[bobcat_ron]

Everyone was paid off in that clip, that or heavily drugged.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Of course.

[bobcat_ron]

Must be the same kind of drugs that Finning feeds me on a monthly basis!!!!!!!

[JDSKIDSTEER]

You ain't right.

[bobcat_ron]

Dang it to heck.

[catmando]

that was some really good acting the Cat driver did tipping all the way back on his ass.

the only thing that made believe this was legit was the Proof button after te video. I guess this is all based on real science at the end of the day

[Macdiesiel]

Have you ever seen a Deere in headlights?

[catmando]

I don't get it.

The expression, yes, the use of it here - not so much

[bobcat_ron]

Have you ever seen a Deere in headlights?


No, but I can make a ewe's eye's cross. :laugh:

[BIGBEN2004]

I like how they said "Nothing climbs like a Deere" well I always thought a mountain goat was the best climber........
Also Nothing runs like a Deere........I guess that is when a Bobcat is chasing it down and kills it..........

[catmando]

Oh yea? Well nothing transforms into a beautiful dainty butterfly like a caterpillar!

Deal with that Deere!

[bobcat_ron]

Nothing will run like a Deere when chased by a very mean Cat in August 2008.

[catmando]

What's going down in August with Cat?

[bobcat_ron]

The new C series with Steel imbedded rubber tracks like everyone else is using, now there will be 3 types of skid steer options, MTL, CTL and XDL-VTS equipped.

[crab]

gee Ben you're right,if i was selling something i would of course highlight its flaws!what do you expect ,why is it you dislike Deere so much ,oh that's right you have never run one.Ron i love boogie cat hes like those seizure Xmas lights,i cant look away!!:laugh:

[ksss]

gee Ben you're right,if i was selling something i would of course highlight its flaws!what do you expect ,why is it you dislike Deere so much ,oh that's right you have never run one.Ron i love boogie cat hes like those seizure Xmas lights,i cant look away!!:laugh:


Has anyone run the E/H Deere yet? I have been waiting for someone to demo one and post their thoughts on the new control system.

[G ZMAN]

Deere's bucket are always smaller, that what gives them the edge in the pushing contest from the last CTL vid we all saw, the material just bubbles over the top. When ever I try out machines, I use the same bucket on every machine, makes things a little more even.



Try 84ins in width on the CT332, 328 and 332 skids...who is bigger?

[bobcat_ron]

Try 84ins in width on the CT332, 328 and 332 skids...who is bigger?


?????? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif

[BIGBEN2004]

gee Ben you're right,if i was selling something i would of course highlight its flaws!what do you expect ,why is it you dislike Deere so much ,oh that's right you have never run one.Ron i love boogie cat hes like those seizure Xmas lights,i cant look away!!:laugh:

I have a friend who owns a landscapeing company and he has a 322 Deere track machine. I have put a little over 100 Hrs on it. I have ran it enough that I can make honest opinion's on it. It is not that I dislike Deere, they just have too many issues that I find annoying and they don't fit my area of work. That is amazing how you could make the assumption that I have never ran one before and you know nothing about me:nono:
Also when I bought my Takeuchi the dealer showed me every bad flaw about the machine first and then showed me it's strong points. That is a honest dealer that has allot of trust that their machine can sell it self that they made sure I knew all of it's weakness's before I made the decision.

[Macdiesiel]

its a fixed

[crab]

that's fine Ben,I've run takeuchi real good machines,i just don't know why you think Deere would post something and not present themselves in the best light,would cat do that ?would any equipment company?and if you want to point the pointy finger emoticon:nono: ,why do you assume that my Deere dealer didn't do the same thing?to each there own!

[ccequip]

I wonder if going uphill at that angle is approved in the owner's manual. I might take the comparisons seriously if they were in real world applications. Is it possible for one machine to lead in ALL competitors in EVERY category...I don't think so!

[ksss]

Obviously they are not competing against all competetors. The hill climb was just CAT and Bobcat. No NH, CASE, or Gehl. They are picking the machines that they will do the best against.

[bobcat_ron]

The will obviously NOT be using ASV's in the Track loader competitions either, I just cruised through ASV's site last night and the have a 2 speed in the new PT series that hits 20 km/h?!?!? Suck on that Deere.

[AWJ Services]

I just cruised through ASV's site last night and the have a 2 speed in the new PT series that hits 20 km/h?!?!? Suck on that Deere.

I hope that thing has a drivers side airbag at those speeds.:)

[bobcat_ron]

No fooling, can you imagine the air time you'd get going over the moguls in Deere's competitions! :laugh:

[Digdeep]

The will obviously NOT be using ASV's in the Track loader competitions either, I just cruised through ASV's site last night and the have a 2 speed in the new PT series that hits 20 km/h?!?!? Suck on that Deere.

I got a chance to operate one of the new PT60s. Madison got pounded this year with snowfall and the salesman was doing a snow removal demo for a guy who owned a T180 that I sold him. The customer let me run that thing and it was damn fast. It also pushed snow like its pants were on fire. I can only imagine how much better in the snow it would have been with the new agressive tracks they are offering. 11mph in a track machine seems like about 30!

[JDSKIDSTEER]

I had a man come in this week. He saw the Smack down video. I told him that was our advertising and recomended him to demo a 315 for a day and try for himself and make sure it was what he wanted. The customer signed the contract last night. CHA CHING!!!

[catmando]

That's the true test of the smack down competition. When people come in for a test drive to see if these machines can really do what's being shown in these races. Sounds like your customer thought the 315 lived up to its billing and that stability was an important thing to have.

As controversial as the battles are, I am looking forward to the next one on the 1st of May.

[bobcat_ron]

Screw you Deere!

[ksss]

Screw you Deere!


Did someone forget to take their Lithium this morning? Or is it Paxil?

[ksss]

I spoke with a concrete guy yesterday and he said that he bought a Deere skid steer. I ask him why. He said "I like the sissor lift". I ask what do you like specifically. "I just like how it lifts and the NH guy would not return his call". I am not sure what size of Deere he just said 75 hp. I doubt he even knows. I had my 465 on the job we were on and I asked if he tried on these. He said he borrowed a CASE and it wouldn't lift his form rack. No idea what model might have been a 90XT.

The moral of the story is I am continually amazed at how uninformed people are. To alot of people a skid steer is a skid steer. The model numbers and their capabilities which correspond to the model are not revelent. Its either a CASE, CAT, Bobcat or whatever. This guy bought the Deere for the sissor lift. He felt he had two choices NH and Deere, since most concrete guys here are NH guys that was his first choice but when that did not work it was Deere. I asked if he had the EH controls "whats that". Turns out he doesn't, I mentioned my issue with the Deere nonEH and he replied yea they are heavy aren't they?

So publishing specs in ads, probably is not that effective IE the average skid steer ad you see in a dirt mag. This Deere demonstration appeals to people who are visual first as most people are. If Deere was to publish the specs and tell stories of how capable their little machines are it would have zero effect. Put a video together and now people can relate. Kinda interesting when you think about it. Now how fair or balanced it all is , obviously I think it has issues, but to the majority of customers or potential customers it works just fine. Put a video together and the little yellow one wins, where do I sign? People like to be spoon fed information. I used to think dirt guys were different and that they researched purchases, became educated on what they were buying. I don't think that is the case.

Being a salesman would be a tough row to hoe for me. I would be like here is the information, tonight I want you to read it, so tommorrow we can have an intelligent conversation about what you need and don't need. I doubt I would sell many.

[bobcat_ron]

I spoke with a concrete guy yesterday and he said that he bought a Deere skid steer. I ask him why. He said "I like the sissor lift". I ask what do you like specifically. "I just like how it lifts and the NH guy would not return his call". I am not sure what size of Deere he just said 75 hp. I doubt he even knows. I had my 465 on the job we were on and I asked if he tried on these. He said he borrowed a CASE and it wouldn't lift his form rack. No idea what model might have been a 90XT.

The moral of the story is I am continually amazed at how uninformed people are. To alot of people a skid steer is a skid steer. The model numbers and their capabilities which correspond to the model are not revelent. Its either a CASE, CAT, Bobcat or whatever. This guy bought the Deere for the sissor lift. He felt he had two choices NH and Deere, since most concrete guys here are NH guys that was his first choice but when that did not work it was Deere. I asked if he had the EH controls "whats that". Turns out he doesn't, I mentioned my issue with the Deere nonEH and he replied yea they are heavy aren't they?

So publishing specs in ads, probably is not that effective IE the average skid steer ad you see in a dirt mag. This Deere demonstration appeals to people who are visual first as most people are. If Deere was to publish the specs and tell stories of how capable their little machines are it would have zero effect. Put a video together and now people can relate. Kinda interesting when you think about it. Now how fair or balanced it all is , obviously I think it has issues, but to the majority of customers or potential customers it works just fine. Put a video together and the little yellow one wins, where do I sign? People like to be spoon fed information. I used to think dirt guys were different and that they researched purchases, became educated on what they were buying. I don't think that is the case.

Being a salesman would be a tough row to hoe for me. I would be like here is the information, tonight I want you to read it, so tommorrow we can have an intelligent conversation about what you need and don't need. I doubt I would sell many.



Wow, but still, Screw you Deere! :laugh:

[AWJ Services]

You take a TL 140 that has a roc of 2000 pounds.
The average consumer will often times write the machine off because of the roc.
It however will run with most any machine out there.

[dozerman21]

I spoke with a concrete guy yesterday and he said that he bought a Deere skid steer.* I ask him why.* He said "I like the sissor lift".* I ask what do you like specifically.* "I just like how it lifts and the NH guy would not return his call".* I am not sure what size of Deere he just said 75 hp.* I doubt he even knows.* I had my 465 on the job we were on and I asked if he tried on these.* He said he borrowed a CASE and it wouldn't lift his form rack.* No idea what model might have been a 90XT.* The moral of the story is I am continually amazed at how uninformed people are.* To alot of people a skid steer is a skid steer.* The model numbers and their capabilities which correspond to the model are not revelent.* Its either a CASE, CAT, Bobcat or whatever.* This guy bought the Deere for the sissor lift.* He felt he had two choices NH and Deere, since most concrete guys here are NH guys that was his first choice but when that did not work it was Deere.* I asked if he had the EH controls "whats that".* Turns out he doesn't, I mentioned my issue with the Deere nonEH and he replied yea they are heavy aren't they?So publishing specs in ads, probably is not that effective IE the average skid steer ad you see in a dirt mag.* This Deere demonstration appeals to people who are visual first as most people are.** If Deere was to publish the specs and tell stories of how capable their little machines are it would have zero effect.* Put a video together and now people can relate.** Kinda interesting when you think about it.* Now how fair or balanced it all is , obviously I think it has issues, but to the majority of customers or potential customers it works just fine.* Put a video together and the little yellow one wins, where do I sign?* People like to be spoon fed information.* I used to think dirt guys were different and that they researched purchases, became educated on what they were buying.* I don't think that is the case.Being a salesman would be a tough row to hoe for me.* I would be like here is the information, tonight I want you to read it, so tommorrow we can have an intelligent conversation about what you need and don't need.* I doubt I would sell many.


I will add to that and say that the majority of skid steer owners would not know the major differences like vertical/ radial lift, different controls, etc...* Concrete guys are a perfect example.* I know many different concrete contractors, and they generally want a bare bones machine with good power that is reliable.* Case and Bobcat are by far the most popular for concrete work around here.* They use their machines for different uses than me, and bells and whistles usually don't matter to them.* Many have never even ran a cab unit and say it's not necessary, but then again they don't run their machine but maybe 30 minutes a day on average.Skid steers are used by so many different trades, and so many people just want or buy what they know.* Most guys on here do some sort of dirt work if they own a skid, and I would think that dirt guys probably look a little more into specs, abilities, and creature comforts of a machine than most other skid steer/CTL users.* Nothing wrong with it either way, just different wants and needs for different trades.

[bobcat_ron]

I will add to that and say that the majority of skid steer owners would not know the major differences like vertical/ radial lift, different controls, etc...* Concrete guys are a perfect example.* I know many different concrete contractors, and they generally want a bare bones machine with good power that is reliable.* Case and Bobcat are by far the most popular for concrete work around here.* They use their machines for different uses than me, and bells and whistles usually don't matter to them.* Many have never even ran a cab unit and say it's not necessary, but then again they don't run their machine but maybe 30 minutes a day on average.Skid steers are used by so many different trades, and so many people just want or buy what they know.* Most guys on here do some sort of dirt work if they own a skid, and I would think that dirt guys probably look a little more into specs, abilities, and creature comforts of a machine than most other skid steer/CTL users.* Nothing wrong with it either way, just different wants and needs for different trades.


I think I need better or less drugs, I see a lot of Asterixes (*) everywhere!??!

[Digdeep]

I think I need better or less drugs, I see a lot of Asterixes (*) everywhere!??!

Ron..borrow some of the drugs that your kitten is using.

[bobcat_ron]

That's some good catnip!

[dozerman21]

I think I need better or less drugs, I see a lot of Asterixes (*)* everywhere!??!That was to emphasize my points... that, or that #!@*%n' cat was in my peripheral vision and it gave me a migraine!:dizzy::laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

That was to emphasize my points... that, or that #!@*%n' cat was in my peripheral vision and it gave me a migraine!:dizzy::laugh:

Well then, here's some more jammin' cat!
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[Skidz]

Did anyone check out the tale of the tape section yet? http://www.skidsteersmackdown.com/tale/

It seems like a cool comparison, but too one sided.

[catmando]

The Tale of the Tape is one-sided, but in a very funny way.
Sparky makes me laugh.

[catmando]

Don look now Bobcat Ron, but there's a new competition on www.skidsteersmackdown.com.

They show their new joystick controllers in a slalom competition against a Bobcat.

They also have another "Proof" section posted showing why they won.

Hmm...

[bobcat_ron]

Gee whiz, where's Cat and the rest?

Shenanigans I say!!!!

[catmando]

including would have been cool since were the only other skid steer with the joystick controllers

But that video would have been an hour long if they included everyone

You might as well go after biggest steer company which is bobcat

[G ZMAN]

http://www.skidsteersmackdown.com/battles/


:usflag:

[Skidz]

How about the "touchdown" dance ... Nice touch.

What could be next? Skid steers rolling in the mud.

[Dirt Digger2]

did anyone else notice you can't move the video bar forward or reverse...the only control you have is to pause it...i wonder if there is a reason for this?...maybe they don't want you going back and looking at things a little closer

[Digdeep]

Why didn't they have multiple machines like the last test. It definitely seems like they are really picking and choosing who to compete against. I guess I can't blame them since it's their show. I'd like to see the CAt 262C run the course.

[Tigerotor77W]

If visibility is as big a role as they claim it to be, then the 262C will probably do even worse because the rear cooling package is so high.

[ksss]

My experience with the Deere machines is that you cant see the tires. That is a big issue with me as I go backward a lot rock raking around sprinkler heads. Also when in the carry mode the arms are in the way of visibility. There is no towers in the back which I agree would help but you are giving up visibility in other areas. Because the lift is in the back of the machine, that increases the size of the loader arms, creates a lot more mass to have to see around. I really don't see how picking and chosing their competitor is really making their case. I thought this was going to be everyones machines in every contest. Not that would change the outcome but it would add more credability to the process.

[bobcat_ron]

And those pylon cones were fricken tall!











Shenanigans!

[Tigerotor77W]

My experience with the Deere machines is that you cant see the tires.

Ah, yes. I forgot. Deere raised the loader arms during the video so that the operator could see the tires (which is not necessary with the Bobcat, as you can see the front and rear tires without moving the loader arms).

so I take back my comment about the 262C not being able to do well. Maybe it would...

[catmando]

I think they really wanted to point out there new joystick controllers with this particular competition. I think Deere surprised some people when they rolled those out.

It is getting interesting though. Did you see the "Coming Soon" trailer for the weight lifting competition. That little guy is hilarious.:weightlifter:

[BIGBEN2004]

That was funny, they used to say how horable joystick controls are and now they are bragging on them like it is something new. They are a little late. I noticed that at the end the Deere raised the boom and it seemed very slow, I hope they have a cycle time test.

[Fieldman12]

A Deere is a good all around solid machine. I only wish they made these videos with all the brands in the competition. Deere is just like anyone else. They eventually will bring to the table what customers want or get left behind. Hand controls may in fact be better as Deere stated in the video when compared to joystick but that does not really matter when most of your customers want joysticks now days. Give Deere time and they will give Cat a run for there money. Im not taking anything away from Cat as I am sure they are a fine machine especially since they soon will come out with a CTL. Im sure Deere has much, much, more coming. I think the biggest thing Deere has in it's favor that most other brands dont is a dealer about everywhere. I love Cat stuff and always will but I can tell you they are loosing sales arond here just because no close dealer. Dealer support will always be a key selling point for allot of people.

[Construct'O]

I agree that Deere made a good discussion to let their Ag dealers handle there sales of there compact equipment,because of the dealer networks already set up.

It know that in the bigger city it may not be that big a deal ,but in rural America it is a big plus.:usflag:

[SuperDuty335]

I think I could give the Deere a run for its money through the slalom on my old M610 with all 34 horses pullin'!:weightlifter:

[catmando]

Maneuverability wouldn't matter then, no one would want to get in front of you...

[Skidz]

Battle #3 - Tons of Fun is a power lift competition between compact track loaders. The Deere CT332, Bobcat T320 and Cat's new 297C.

Check it out: http://www.skidsteersmackdown.com/battles/

Deere really supported this one in the Prove It materials. There are additional "test site" demonstration videos and a pretty good machine comparison table.

[BIGBEN2004]

That was funny. They made it sound like the Deere had no problem lifting that weight. From what I saw the tracks where off the ground a little in the back. I would say just a little bit of wrong movement would have sent that thing tipping to the ground also. The Cat shouldn't of been able to lift that weight since it is not rated as high as the Bobcat and the Deere but the Bobcat should have lifted that weight since it specs out wright beside the Deere. Bobcat looked pretty pathetic in that test that is sad.

[catmando]

I was hoping for a lot better from the Cat since its the latest and greatest off the line. At least get it off the ground a little bit.

The one thing I would agree with the announcer about is that the Deere was able to keep the load even. So even though it rocked a little bit at least it didn't fall on its face while the weight was parallel with the ground.

Painful to watch, but the interviewer always gives me a chuckle.

[bobcat_ron]

I laughed, usually it's the Cats that cant do much, but this time, they beat the Bobcat!











But still................SCREW YOU DEERE!

[catmando]

Bobcat Ron, I have to hand it to you.

You're honest, and yet very consistent with your hatred for Deere.

On that note, I too hate you Deere - for being stronger than my Caterpillar.

Back to the gym... :weightlifter:

[bobcat_ron]

Isn't there a counterweight kit for the 297C? I'm sure it would not have tipped if it had it on the back.














Screw you Deere!!

[catmando]

I guess the point of that battle was to say they don't need a counterweight.

Or the point could have been that they could get it up, so to speak.

[crab]

ha ha ha kitty lovers ,argue with that! and just for the record ron ,screw cat.

[crab]

oh and Ben please shut up,you cant get over the fact,that its a promotional gimmick???:dizzy:

[catmando]

I think the point here is that this was definitely the best competition to date on www.skidsteersmackdown.com

It's a competition most of us care about and that most us understand represents a real world competition. Anyone wants to be operate the most powerful machine, and it's hard to argue with these results.

The two cats fell on their faces. Heck the Caterpillar couldn't pick up the weight an inch off of the ground.

[bobcat_ron]

I think the point here is that this was definitely the best competition to date on www.skidsteersmackdown.com

It's a competition most of us care about and that most us understand represents a real world competition. Anyone wants to be operate the most powerful machine, and it's hard to argue with these results.

The two cats fell on their faces. Heck the Caterpillar couldn't pick up the weight an inch off of the ground.


Well that Damned Deere would sure be a tippy SOB if it started to go any further, I'd much rather have a machine that can't lift an extreme amount of weight than one that would just nose dive every where.
























Screw you Deere! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/tantrum.gif

[BIGBEN2004]

Well that Damned Deere would sure be a tippy SOB if it started to go any further, I'd much rather have a machine that can't lift an extreme amount of weight than one that would just nose dive every where.
























Screw you Deere! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/tantrum.gif


That was what I thought also, but more important the Cat is a smaller rated machine and I thought it did a good try at it. Now the Bobcat was rated equally to the Deere and it did horrible.

[CAT powered]

I've been reading over posts on this site for a while, but never had much to say so I never registered, but I'd like to chip in on this thread.

I find it interesting that Deere chose to use one of their machines with a 1,000 pound higher operating weight than the Bobcat had.

I'd like to see them pick one set of machines and stick with them the whole time. Eg: Use a Deere whatever the heck it was and a Bobcat T320 and a CAT 297C for the whole thing rather than jumping around all the time with what they use.

The Deere would have tipped over forward if the operator had tried to roll the forks at all like the Bobcat operator did. The Bobcat would have lowered it just fine if he let the boom down first and then leveled his load out.

Granted Deere is just doing this for publicity, but it would be nice to see a fair competition for once.

[AWJ Services]

I would have liked too see the TL150 thrown in the mix.:)

[bobcat_ron]

Screw you Deere!

[GradeMan]

So is the cat that powerless? I kind of expected more from the cat...
It would have been funny to see a windshield smack off the trailer tho.. lol

[bobcat_ron]

Deere can raise hell over how much better their machines are, but they still don't have a High Flow option, c'mon Deere, it's been over 15 years now, what are you waiting for?!?!

[stuvecorp]

Screw you Deere!

At least you are consistent.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Deere can raise hell over how much better their machines are, but they still don't have a High Flow option, c'mon Deere, it's been over 15 years now, what are you waiting for?!?!I thought you knew all about Deere? They have had high flow since 1999. Screw you Ron. How old are you? 13?

[bobcat_ron]

I thought you knew all about Deere? They have had high flow since 1999. Screw you Ron. How old are you? 13?

30 and proudly blinded by Cat Yellow.

[minimax]

Hey ron, My ct 322 deere has high flow on it,and it has 1" flat face couplers on it I don't think cat has couplers that big!!!check out the couplers in the pic.
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[bobcat_ron]

I read on HEF sometime ago that Deere's "High Flow" makes the oil in the reservoir cycle 4 times per minute and after 5 minutes, the oil is already at it's maximum operating temperature, much like Bobcat's set up, a true High Flow should have a separate pump so it doesn't rob power from the loader.

[Construct'O]

I read on HEF sometime ago that Deere's "High Flow" makes the oil in the reservoir cycle 4 times per minute and after 5 minutes, the oil is already at it's maximum operating temperature, much like Bobcat's set up, a true High Flow should have a separate pump so it doesn't rob power from the loader.

Ron the high flow does have it's own pump it is mounted on the rear of the motor .You need to do an little more researching before you post sometimes:rolleyes:.

Especially on this subject:confused: instead of hear say.:usflag:

[bobcat_ron]

Ron the high flow does have it's own pump it is mounted on the rear of the motor .You need to do an little more researching before you post sometimes:rolleyes:.

Especially on this subject:confused: instead of hear say.:usflag:




Uhhh,......ummmm,.....err,............................SCA-REW YOU DEERE! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif

[catmando]

I'm confused about the whole tipping comment.

The only two machines that I saw taking a nose dive in this video were cat and bobcat, right?
:usflag:

[bobcat_ron]

And how many times are you going to know the exact weight of what you are lifting?

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Uhhh,......ummmm,.....err,............................SCA-REW YOU DEERE! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gifI still say 13. And if 30 and still living at home even worse.

[jrdean62]

I would like to see some ASV's in this competition.

[bobcat_ron]

And if 30 and still living at home even worse.

DING, DING, DING!! Give that man a prize!





Screw you Deere!

[crab]

you may not know the exact weight every time,but it will be more than cat can every,time,lay of the crack Ron!move to the basement,buy a crock pot and cook for yourself:canadaflag::laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

Well at least us Bobcat/Cat nuts can see our tires/tracks better than those wacked out Deere fanatics.

[bobcat_ron]

I forgot the most important part:

"SCREW YOU DEERE".

[ksss]

Well at least us Bobcat/Cat nuts can see our tires/tracks better than those wacked out Deere fanatics.


No doubt about that.

BC RON, maybe you and GR can get a place together. I am sure that GR's mom would donate some kitchen utensiles, heck she might even make your first months payment just to get his ass out of the house. I will send you a house warming gift. Just tip her when she leaves, everything else is covered.:drinkup:

[bobcat_ron]

No doubt about that.

BC RON, maybe you and GR can get a place together. I am sure that GR's mom would donate some kitchen utensiles, heck she might even make your first months payment just to get his ass out of the house. I will send you a house warming gift. Just tip her when she leaves, everything else is covered.:drinkup:

GR is more than welcome to stay with me though, but just a heads up, mom gets a little frisky since hitting the wine after dad stopped sleeping with her in the same bed. :laugh:

[G ZMAN]

:weightlifter:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3uvS2nGjN8

[Nel-Martin]

i don't know about those deere's !!! i would much rather see a REAL skid steer smack down . runing a deere with foot controls make's ya sweat more then just useing a hand shovel !

[catmando]

I don't know about that. If they're the same kind of hand controls that Cat has, which I believe they are, no one should be sweating very much operating those babies.

That's why they've probably been doing so well in those races against Bob.