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vjmac887
04-08-2008, 10:01 PM
I would like to hear your opinions about well lights for an installation at a commercial building. The building is brick and I would like to use the grazing technique to illuminate the building. The base of the building has beds that are heavily mulched. I feel that the well lights would do a better job of grazing the brick than bullet lights but am concerned about debris settling on top of the well lights. In the past I have had a few well lights buried with mulch and occasionally leaves. Thanks!

pete scalia
04-08-2008, 11:39 PM
Coke or Pepsi? You decide

Lite4
04-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Debris covers.

vjmac887
04-09-2008, 04:06 AM
I am familiar with debris covers, but it seems that mulch and leaves can lay on top of them. Possibly using well lights that are raised a few inches above ground is my best bet.

NightScenes
04-09-2008, 07:53 AM
If you feel like you have to use a par lamp, why not use an above ground par fixture?

JoeyD
04-09-2008, 09:45 AM
Paul gave good advice......http://www.uniquelighting.com/product_pages/BIGBANG.htm

If they are going to be mulching I highly recommend you go with an above ground light. Fact is even if you leave those lights up a few inches when they come to re mulch those guys wont give two craps about the lights and they will mulch right over them anyway and it will and could smolder and melt the light. Just go above ground and be safe and be done with it. Dry mulch and well lights just dont mix!!

The Lighting Geek
04-09-2008, 09:52 AM
we use a lot of big bangs for that reason. We still use well lights, but only where there is no mulch, bark or drifts of leaves.

Pro-Scapes
04-09-2008, 09:56 AM
I agree ... you should go with an above ground. Depending on the situation and desired effect you could use a bullet...wash light or something like the big bang if you want pars.

vjmac887
04-09-2008, 09:57 AM
Thanks for the advice guys!

pete scalia
04-09-2008, 09:13 PM
mulch accumulates on the big band just like it does on or in a wellight when it's pointed straight up. For that matter just about any fixture will hold some degree of mulch on the lens. If you don't want to get hit by a car then don't attempt to cross the street.

moonlighting
04-09-2008, 09:57 PM
I would suggest that install a Nightscaping Masterlighter

http://www.nightscaping.com/fixt_specs_notemp/masterliter_specs.htm

3-4" above the mulch. It has a tempreature switch installed from the factory. it also could be retrofited with a Par lamp if that is called for.

even if you do choose another fixture i do reccomend you install the temp. switch that is available from any of your Nightscaping distributers.

How tall is the building you are trying to graze?

Jason

Lite4
04-09-2008, 10:32 PM
I like your logo Jason, very nice.

moonlighting
04-09-2008, 10:43 PM
I like your logo Jason, very nice.

Thank you Tim, I just had it designed... i was tired of the old one!!
Thanks again.

jason

vjmac887
04-10-2008, 12:48 AM
The building is about 15' high. Thanks for the info.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-10-2008, 08:05 AM
Good to see you on the forum Jason.

Nice to have some more Canadian representation here! :canadaflag:

JoeyD
04-10-2008, 09:11 AM
The Big Bang sits about 4 1/2" above the ground. However Pete is right, if they just blow mulch over the area then any bullet light can have mulch pile on it. But you will not have to worry about the Big Bang melting down.

Thermal devices have been discussed here, do a search.

vjmac887
04-10-2008, 09:21 AM
I don't think they will add so much mulch to cover a bullet. I am leaning toward using a bullet with a MR-16 35 Watt lamp.

JoeyD
04-10-2008, 09:23 AM
There ya go. You can use a flood lamp or a spread lens to try and get closer to the spread a Par36 has.

moonlighting
04-10-2008, 11:09 AM
Good to see you on the forum Jason.

Nice to have some more Canadian representation here! :canadaflag:

Thanks James, i have been a member for a bit of time but i got busy and have not been on. There are quite a few people here i recognize and i wonder how many Canadains we have on the site?

Jason

David Gretzmier
04-12-2008, 01:08 AM
wells are just for non mulch areas these days. I switched to shrouded bullets for uplighting in bed areas many moons ago. good luck.

Pro-Scapes
04-12-2008, 07:52 AM
I don't think they will add so much mulch to cover a bullet. I am leaning toward using a bullet with a MR-16 35 Watt lamp.

depends on the color of the wall as to what lamp I would choose. Put a 35w on a 15 ft tall white wall with little ambient light and it could be awful bright.

I can closely mimic pars... last project 35w 60 degrees with the fixtures about 18 to 20 in out on a 2 story off white wall... same walls in 1 story a 20w 60 degree with a frosted lens was the ticket.

Alot of the choice will come down to your mounting location as well