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Mike M
04-10-2008, 09:09 PM
Yesterday, no-see-ums/biting gnats from heck were in my hair and beard and on my arms by the millions (no bug spray), as I was deep in a crushed oyster shell driveway fixing 2 side by side 1 inch irrigation pipes inside 2" sleeves, all of which I destroyed with the swing of a pick ax.

I got zapped 3 times by an electric fence which was against a tree I was working on.

The owner pulls up and has to stop, since there was a trench across the drive. I offered to help carry something from the back of her Jeep. Turns out it was 2 soaking wet horse blankets/jackets.

I smelled like a horse for the remaining afternoon.

I just thought I would share that.

irrig8r
04-10-2008, 09:20 PM
Work is a lot of fun sometimes...

I have trouble picturing you wearing a beard though...

ChampionLS
04-11-2008, 02:22 AM
And now it's Miller Time :drinkup:

SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES
04-11-2008, 08:06 AM
of course you have to get that beer to go since you are probally going to get some funny looks smelling like a sweaty horse and looking worn out.

klkanders
04-11-2008, 09:35 AM
I got zapped 3 times by an electric fence which was against a tree I was working on.



After that first zap Mike I don't think I would have touched it that 2nd and 3rd time....but that's just me............:laugh:............:drinkup:

Keith

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-11-2008, 10:14 AM
Hey Mike... what does it feel like to get zapped by an e-fence anyways?

I gotta think it gives your brain a bit of a tingle... is that why did it a few more times? :laugh:

You know, if you have any withdrawl symptoms, you can always put a piece of that electric fence in a freezer and then lick it! :laugh:

Freezing rain day here.... time to clean out the trailer and get organized for another frantic season of fun and frolic.

Pro-Scapes
04-11-2008, 10:30 AM
I got zapped one time... ONE TIME Mike and I learned my lesson.

FYI just in case you were about to start a thread and ask. You dont need to check V Drop on a electric fence system.:laugh::laugh: You would think if you were working that close to the fence you would of unplugged it first!

irrig8r
04-11-2008, 11:46 AM
Years ago I worked on a dairy farm... tricking new help into backing into the fence was a time honored tradition... but even they usually learned the first time....

JoeyD
04-11-2008, 11:52 AM
how do you unplug a fence that is invisible? lol

irrig8r
04-11-2008, 12:07 PM
Joey, I don't think he's talking about some science fiction force field, just a simple electric fence.... usually pretty easy to spot...

Meanwhile, Mike, what are you doing using a pick anyway?

You can pick up a decent demolition hammer with a clay spade, chisel and bull point bits for somewhere around $800 to $1000.

It's a bit easier on the back and shoulders, and on buried pipe or conduit too (with the spade at least).

Mine's a Bosch, but Hilti and DeWalt make nice ones too.

JoeyD
04-11-2008, 12:36 PM
lol...ohhhhhhhhhh..........electric fence not invisible fence....TGIF

klkanders
04-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Joey.......were you like one of those gullible kids we bet couldn't pee over a fence?
Oh forgot to mention it was an electric fence........:(

Mike M
04-11-2008, 08:47 PM
Fence explanation: it was attached to a tree I was mounting a downlight on. Before I realized it was there, I already had a bunch of long metal-handled tools piled nicely along side of it. It was also a wet morning. Talk about a set-up!!!

Funny thing, I was working so quickly, and the bugs were biting badly. The first zap, I thought I was imagining things. "wtf?"

Gregg, it wasn't so difficult to swing the pick ax, it went through pretty easy, just impossible to subtly notice an irrigation pipe. The hard part was digging a clearance around it without causing more damage. Of course, the pipes were on top of a massive root. Spades and shovels hardly worked on the shells.

The last time I saw an electric fence was along cow pastures in PA. This one was for keeping deer out.

I had the owner show me the "off" button today. I won't look at a fence the same again.

Mark B
04-12-2008, 02:50 AM
I'm glad you said you were working on a downlight. I was wondering what this thread had to do with lighting...:laugh:

Mike M
04-12-2008, 07:09 PM
I think this horse smell thread is the essence of low voltage outdoor lighting, for me, anyways.

One minute we're design artists, the next we are electrical geniuses, and then after we plan a successful marketing campaign, we swing pick axes and smell like horses.

I really enjoy the pick ax. So much so, that on my next install, if there is no need for it, I will create a need.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-13-2008, 03:50 AM
Mike if you enjoy the pick so much, then come on up here! The one aspect of installations I dislike the most is cutting a trench across the gravel driveways and private roads we have here. It usually takes at least 3 to 4 passes. Pick, clean out, Pick, clean out.... arrrrgh.

I am going to look into one of those demolition hammers that Gregg spoke of.

Mike M
04-13-2008, 07:07 AM
I think the pick ax is the funniest tool we use. I start singing the John Henry song by Johnny Cash. And that "goin to Mississippi" song Woody Allen was singing in "Take the Money and Run."

Pro-Scapes
04-13-2008, 10:18 AM
I think I smelled wet horse when we were in Orlando together Mike... is this an ongoing issue you have :)

Just kidding. We were trying to dig an area at a project last week only to be informed by the homeowner there used to be 15 mature trees in the area. Sod was super soft for the first 2 inches then like a rock.. I guess they didnt stump grind too well

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 12:20 PM
Mike if you enjoy the pick so much, then come on up here! The one aspect of installations I dislike the most is cutting a trench across the gravel driveways and private roads we have here. It usually takes at least 3 to 4 passes. Pick, clean out, Pick, clean out.... arrrrgh.

I am going to look into one of those demolition hammers that Gregg spoke of.

I used my Bosch hammer and a Pulaski yesterday to uncover broken sprinkler pipes that were crushed by a Bobcat removing an asphalt driveway to make room for new pavers.

The Bosch hammer cut through most of the fibrous surface roots of the redwoods (the trees had been removed too), but I needed the Pulaski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski_(tool)) to cut through the heavier ones... fortunately all done, but it took three hours to clean out and make the repairs and replace two 12" pop-up sprinklers with swing joints in a distance of only about 30 ft... and in the middle of a heat wave too...

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 12:29 PM
So, I think there are regional names and preferences for various pick-like tools....which tools and terminology do you use and why...?

pickaxe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickaxe)
railroad pick (http://www.amleo.com/index/item.cgi?cmd=view&Words=w6)
Pulaski (see link in above post)
mattock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattock)
McLeod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLeod_%28tool%29)
pick mattock (http://www.amleo.com/index/item.cgi?cmd=view&Words=20x)
cutter mattock (http://www.amleo.com/index/item.cgi?cmd=view&Words=21x)

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 12:51 PM
Mike if you enjoy the pick so much, then come on up here! The one aspect of installations I dislike the most is cutting a trench across the gravel driveways and private roads we have here. It usually takes at least 3 to 4 passes. Pick, clean out, Pick, clean out.... arrrrgh.

I am going to look into one of those demolition hammers that Gregg spoke of.

BTW, mine is 14 Amp. I carry a 100 ft. heavy (10 gauge as I recall) extension cord with me when I use it.... you might need a generator for your more remote locations.

I saw a Hilti in use last week and it was very nice. Mine uses SDS Max bits.

This Dewalt D25900 (http://www.toolup.com/DeWALT/D25900k.html) looks good.

Here's the current Bosch (http://www.toolup.com/bosch/11316EVS.html) model

The Milwaukee (http://www.toolup.com/Milwaukee/5339-21.html) is a little more expensive.

I'm pretty sure Hitachi and Makita make them too if you prefer those brands.

These are good for trenching hard dry clay, breaking up rocks in your way, concrete overpour, old fence post bases, etc.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-13-2008, 03:31 PM
Gregg... these spade bits that you use.... do they have a 36" extenstion or something on them? I would hate to have to be bent over the whole time on the end of a demo hammer. All the units looked pretty compact. I was expecting more like a 'jack hammer' type of setup .

Regards.

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 07:45 PM
Gregg... these spade bits that you use.... do they have a 36" extenstion or something on them? I would hate to have to be bent over the whole time on the end of a demo hammer. All the units looked pretty compact. I was expecting more like a 'jack hammer' type of setup .

Regards.

Well, sometimes I use one of these while om my knees... good kneepads are a must.. The Milwaukee looks like it has a handle extension near the top, which could be helpful...

The Makita I had was longer (taller) but had an oil reservoir that needed to be filled regularly and always leaked a little.

I've thought about getting a bullpoint bit to use as a shaft extension, but I was told the high carbon steel in these bits isn't easily welded.

Someone out to come up with an SDS Max by SDS Max M x F extension, or maybe someone already makes one I'm not aware of.

Hey, I just did a search and found this:

http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/497334

Also, what looks like some good deals here:

http://www.reconditionedsales.com/Demolition_Hammers___c336.aspx

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-13-2008, 08:22 PM
Hey Gregg, I was just over at a friends installing some kitchen lighting... He works at a local rent-all place.... says their most profitable single item is the SDS Max Demolition Hammer Drill! They have 12 of them and he says they are always out.

I will take a look at the Hitachi Refurb site... I have a lot of hitachi tools and have been very happy with them.

Thanks.

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 08:36 PM
Hey Gregg, I was just over at a friends installing some kitchen lighting... He works at a local rent-all place.... says their most profitable single item is the SDS Max Demolition Hammer Drill! They have 12 of them and he says they are always out.

I will take a look at the Hitachi Refurb site... I have a lot of hitachi tools and have been very happy with them.

Thanks.

Just don't confuse a demolition hammer with a hammer drill or a rotary hammer. The demo hammer does not do any drilling, even though the SDS Max shanks are the same... why, I don't know...

The reconditioned Hitachi for under $300 with a one year warranty looks like quite the deal to me.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
04-13-2008, 08:56 PM
The reconditioned Hitachi for under $300 with a one year warranty looks like quite the deal to me.

I am looking at that H65SD2 unit for $461. Maybe it is more then I need? Not sure...

Do you know about 1 1/8" hex head shanks? Should I stick with the SDS MAX units to keep my accessories options open?

We don't have a lot of clay here... I just want something I can put an extension on and a spade/blade tool to cut trenches across gravel drives and roads.

Regards.

irrig8r
04-13-2008, 10:15 PM
Works better than a pick for gravel and rock too, and creates fewer sparks... just remember:

1. small bites
2. don't use the bit to pry with
3. if it gets stuck don't strain your back pulling....

As far as models go, your rental friend should be able to help.... maybe go rent one to try out.