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springover
04-16-2008, 10:55 PM
This new to me account was still dormate when I applied Pre-emerg on 3/26.

I went to mow and there are dandilions everywhere, what happened?

How do I explain to my contact what is happening as well.

Help!!!

Thanks

Whitey4
04-16-2008, 11:23 PM
You expected a pre-M to stop dandelions? That's why we charge for post emergent apps.... OK, here it comes.... you can't possibly be certified if you are this clueless, can you?

Back off my high horse.... pre-M's attack the germination process of crabbgrass seeds, as well as many other less significant annual weeds... dandies are bi-annuals. Do you underdstand the difference?

Hoots
04-16-2008, 11:44 PM
Best way I see is to explain "I don't know what I am doing, I will contact a licensed professional to sub out the chemicals".

It is always best to tell your "contact" that you will not B.S. them. If you don't know what to do, find someone who does know, that is your job. If you do B.S. them along, eventually it can come and bite you in the rear. Apparently it has bitten you already and it did not even take 1 month.

springover
04-16-2008, 11:44 PM
yeah...I'm an idiot...I am learning as I go here. I'm fully legal, unfortunately my degree is in comm arts not agri.

ted putnam
04-16-2008, 11:45 PM
Easy Whitey! Close your eyes and breathe deeply...:laugh:

springover
04-16-2008, 11:46 PM
Im not trying to B.S. anyone. this is the reason I'm trying to get info to relay to them.

Hoots
04-16-2008, 11:54 PM
Fully legal? Do you have a pesticide license?

Just because you have a degree in Horticulture or Agriculture does not automatically allow you to apply chemicals. You with a degree in Comm Arts are allowed to apply chemicals if you take and pass the state licensing test.

Again, look at my first quote. "I don't know what I am doing, I will contact a licensed professional to sub out the chemicals".

tlg
04-16-2008, 11:54 PM
No disrespect but if you don't know the answer you probably shouldn't be applying anything to any lawn anywhere. So to encourage you on the right path of weed control..... read your label. Understand what a pre- emergent does and what a post-emergent is for. You will have your answer and will know what to tell your client. You really should have a basic knowledge on this stuff before you put yourself out for hire.

rcreech
04-16-2008, 11:59 PM
You expected a pre-M to stop dandelions? That's why we charge for post emergent apps.... OK, here it comes.... you can't possibly be certified if you are this clueless, can you?

Back off my high horse.... pre-M's attack the germination process of crabbgrass seeds, as well as many other less significant annual weeds... dandies are bi-annuals. Do you underdstand the difference?

Actually Whitey.....Dandelion is a perennial not a bi-annual! :laugh:

Hoots
04-17-2008, 12:06 AM
No disrespect but if you don't know the answer you probably shouldn't be applying anything to any lawn anywhere. So to encourage you on the right path of weed control..... read your label. Understand what a pre- emergent does and what a post-emergent is for. You will have your answer and will know what to tell your client. You really should have a basic knowledge on this stuff before you put yourself out for hire.

I like your diplomatic response. Sorry, I get so worked up sometimes when there are people asking questions here that took me 4 years of college, state testing, 5 CEU's every year (which by the way is one entire day of lecturing) to keep the license current, and years of in the field experience learning while assisting those that know. These people get answers in 5 minutes.

I am not the only one that has done these things to get where I am today and I know others have had it much harder than I have. I have been lucky.

44DCNF
04-17-2008, 12:11 AM
They can be biennials also.

springover
04-17-2008, 12:11 AM
Yes I have a commercial applicators license and all the questions in the test are about safety and not killing yourself or anyone else.

I guess this forum is only about "wishlists" and "How much revenue you make last year?" bs threads not to get some info to be better at what we do.

Whitey4
04-17-2008, 12:19 AM
Actually Whitey.....Dandelion is a perennial not a bi-annual! :laugh:

Kiss my arse Rodney.

Yeah, yer right.

I hate wise arses.... and all the help you have given me doesn't count now, you bassad!




:laugh:


And my Ivy eradication aint goin so well either. :cry:

Marcos
04-17-2008, 02:27 AM
Well......if you've got "dandies" in areas that HAVEN'T EVER been sprayed before, within "recent memory", that you're sure of...


Now's just about the right time to pick 'em & put 'em in your salad !!! :) :) :) :)

(no kidding)

Read on:
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=210049&highlight=edible+weeds

rcreech
04-17-2008, 07:46 AM
They can be biennials also.

A biannual usually has a rosette the first year and then flowers the second year if I remember the term correctly.

A dandelion can come up from seed and flower in the same year.....so is it an annual also! :laugh:

No seriously....it is a perennial!

rcreech
04-17-2008, 07:47 AM
Kiss my arse Rodney.

Yeah, yer right.

I hate wise arses.... and all the help you have given me doesn't count now, you bassad!




:laugh:


And my Ivy eradication aint goin so well either. :cry:


Sorry buddy! Just wanted to let you know! Hope you are having a good spring! Things have broke lose here and no stopping them! Not getting on here much and having some serious withdraw! :cry:

Real Green
04-17-2008, 07:53 AM
Sorry buddy! Just wanted to let you know! Hope you are having a good spring! Things have broke lose here and no stopping them! Not getting on here much and having some serious withdraw! :cry:

When I see you on here posting all I can think about is you looking at me and Lynn with a drop dead serious face and saying "No seriously, I might cry if someone told me I could never get on Lawnsite again..." :laugh:

Hoots
04-17-2008, 08:54 AM
Yes I have a commercial applicators license and all the questions in the test are about safety and not killing yourself or anyone else.

I guess this forum is only about "wishlists" and "How much revenue you make last year?" bs threads not to get some info to be better at what we do.

Ok, you want some real info? Tell the customer from the beginning that pre-emerging is not always 100% effective. If the timing is off by even a little, or it does not get enough water to incorporate it properly, the product may not be as effective. This is why there are POST-EMERGENT herbicides. The timing from when you put your product down until now does not seem like you got to the "dandies" before they emerged. This compares to me here in Texas trying to pre-emerge for crabgrass today, it has already popped. You have missed your window, weeds have germinated, save your pre-emergent product.

I feel this forum is for people to discuss issues like "I am using product X, how does everyone else feel about it", or equipment malfunctions and things of the like. But, as most people see, on this forum there are a lot of "how do I run my business" questions.

rcreech
04-17-2008, 10:08 PM
When I see you on here posting all I can think about is you looking at me and Lynn with a drop dead serious face and saying "No seriously, I might cry if someone told me I could never get on Lawnsite again..." :laugh:

SAD isn't it! :laugh:

Hope you are having a good one!

Any luck getting rid of that PG yet?

tlg
04-17-2008, 11:44 PM
I like your diplomatic response. Sorry, I get so worked up sometimes when there are people asking questions here that took me 4 years of college, state testing, 5 CEU's every year (which by the way is one entire day of lecturing) to keep the license current, and years of in the field experience learning while assisting those that know. These people get answers in 5 minutes.

I am not the only one that has done these things to get where I am today and I know others have had it much harder than I have. I have been lucky.

I've been in this industry for 30 some years. I'm either mellowing out in my old age or just tired. One thing I have learned is critical thinking. That's all he needed to do. Think about what he did, the end results or outcome. Then educate himself. Giving the answer would have made it too easy. He was just looking for help. I think we did that.

heritage
04-18-2008, 10:51 AM
This new to me account was still dormate when I applied Pre-emerg on 3/26.

I went to mow and there are dandilions everywhere, what happened?

How do I explain to my contact what is happening as well.

Help!!!

Thanks

Learn the "Life Cycle" of the weed in question in your area.

Here in NJ they seed in late spring and germinate in early fall. We spray them in Mid Fall with a Post- Emengent Herbicide when they are small.

Next spring No dandies ;)

Pete

Marcos
04-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Learn the "Life Cycle" of the weed in question in your area.

Here in NJ they seed in late spring and germinate in early fall. We spray them in Mid Fall with a Post- Emengent Herbicide when they are small.

Next spring No dandies ;)

Pete

Oh...there's no question at all in my mind that early fall's the best time for broadleaf weed control....provided that it might someday actually RAIN again in September / October in Ohio...so that this could be satisfactorily performed !!!

From the CUSTOMER's perspective, though...
If they don't see 'em blooming anymore...they (for the most part) "stop caring" about them :hammerhead:....and really don't start complaining at all about anything until crabgrass season really takes hold.

But, you're right !

If the conditions are just right in the early-mid fall for broadleaf weed control...one can really make some headway with the bi-annual and perennial weeds.

LwnmwrMan22
04-18-2008, 04:11 PM
In case the original poster already threw away the bag and doesn't have a copy of the label, I took the liberty to copy the address of Pre-M from Lesco's website.

http://www.lesco.com/NoCompression/Label.aspx?label=088555.pdf

I really don't see anywhere that it lists control for dandies or dandelions.