Gas $10.00 A Gallon??? Get Ready to Go Out Of Business...

[JimLewis]

$10.00 per gallon??? **#@ me runnin' !!!




http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363







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[jsf343]

I just saw that and thought the same thing. You can bet your last dollar P-town will be the first to feel that too. I think we are one of the few cities pushing $3.60-$3.80 a gallon. Yikes

[BentleyOutdoors]

$10.00 per gallon??? **#@ me runnin' !!!




http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363







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Why?? Just charge more for the gas increases. no need to go out of buisness. :usflag:

[pclawncare]

My fuel surcharge will be more than the bill for mowing the lawn.

[Lawnut101]

I just saw that and thought the same thing. You can bet your last dollar P-town will be the first to feel that too. I think we are one of the few cities pushing $3.60-$3.80 a gallon. Yikes

Your not the only ones! Around here gas is pushing $3.80/gallon

[fastcutter]

People will stop working...This is @uc$ up..

[DLCS]

I just saw that and thought the same thing. You can bet your last dollar P-town will be the first to feel that too. I think we are one of the few cities pushing $3.60-$3.80 a gallon. Yikes


We are at 3.69 a gallon here. We have been going up at the rate of .10 a week.

[DLCS]

My question is whats going to be the breakign point, where everyone is going to be totally fed up with the rediculous prices of fuel and groceries.

[DLCS]

$10.00 per gallon??? **#@ me runnin' !!!




http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363







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I wish those analysts would stfu. There predictions do nothing for the economy.

[JimLewis]

Why?? Just charge more for the gas increases. no need to go out of buisness. :usflag:

Because clients have a limit to what they will pay for lawn mowing and landscaping. In economics, it's called "Elasticity of Demand". Eventually, the work we do will come with such a premium that most people won't be able to afford to hire out for it any longer.

[DLCS]

Because clients have a limit to what they will pay for lawn mowing and landscaping. In economics, it's called "Elasticity of Demand". Eventually, the work we do will come with such a premium that most people won't be able to afford to hire out for it any longer.


Right, what we all do is a luxery, not a neccessity. If givent he choice of a beutiful landscape or fuel to get to work, what do you think the customer will choose?

[DLCS]

I gotta laugh though. Remember back in 2000 when gas went up to 1.60 a gallon and the state of Illinois pulled the state tax for the summer. LOL We thought it was so bad then.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

My question is whats going to be the breakign point, where everyone is going to be totally fed up with the rediculous prices of fuel and groceries.

You mean: at what point do we quit trying to be noble over there and finally just seize Iraq's oil???

[jbannick18]

I didn't even read the article but gas will not hit 10/gallon, everything in this country would crumble.

[Paradise Yard Service]

CaliFrisco=$4.00 p.gal. Hawaii=$4.00+ p.gal.

Aloha, P.Y.S.

[S man]

10 a gallon? Oh yes all we need is either obama or hillary super ultra liberals to fix our problems. The country will get even worse and gas will be 20 a gallon if one of those bafoons gets in!!!

[Liquidfast]

I see both sides of the oil crisis.

First, I believe people are too dependent on oil and by that I mean if gas were too cheap, the environment suffers. The big SUV drivers will sit and idle at the coffee shop window rather than walk to the coffee shop (just an example).

Gas prices too high means businesses suffer, jobs suffer and the economy suffers. A member on this site posted a link to: "The NON OIL CRISIS in America" or something similar to that.

Enough oil in Alaska for 200 years! The price of oil is just to fatten the pockets of..................nevermind...starting to become political.

We need alternatives to oil. I will purchase a diesel vehicle that I can convert to running on veggie oil.

[S man]

We don't need ethanol! That crap is making food prices go up and is waaaay too expensive to produce and doesn't come close to oil in terms of gas milage and quality. That stuff meses up engines! Come on government! Put the corn back on the dinner table and not in our tanks.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

We don't need ethanol! That crap is making food prices go up and is waaaay too expensive to produce and doesn't come close to oil in terms of gas milage and quality. That stuff meses up engines! Come on government! Put the corn back on the dinner table and not in our tanks.

FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!!! And reasonably priced corn poopies!!!!

[DLCS]

problem is we don't have enough farm land to grow corn for feed and the increased ethanol plans. If midwest farmers decide to plant corn for ethanol production just wait, price of your groceries will go through the roof.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

We just need the jacka$$ price speculators to go take a flying leap. then we need to use our own resources, instead of holding out like there's some value to our barren, void, empty Alaskan Tundra, etc...

[Riggslawnservice]

One of our local grain farmers used to always rotate crops and just so happend to plant corn in one of his fields 3 years in a row

[DLCS]

Around here many farmers grow seed corn due to most farmland in this area is irrigated. Now you either see corn for ethanol or seed corn. if famrers wnat to increase corn production, they have to increase seed corn production. How much farmland is left for other crops? Not much.

[Paradise Yard Service]

Too bad can't plant sugar cane!

Brazil doing just fine with ethanol.

Hawaii could make a reasonable dent in their being self sufficient by getting their sugah operations back on board! Its renewable.

Aloha, P.Y.S.

[topsites]

problem is we don't have enough farm land to grow corn for feed and the increased ethanol plans. If midwest farmers decide to plant corn for ethanol production just wait, price of your groceries will go through the roof.

That is correct.

There exist so many acres of farming soil. I don't know how many acres there are and I am sure it is a lot, but the number is a constant, that is, it is based on how many acres farmers own.

Now, when we grow corn for ethanol we are in effect displacing what would have been used for food products, and no acres exist to take the place of that.

[Liquidfast]

If they lower gas prices to acceptable levels ($2.85) a gallon, I swear, I will eat corn 7 days a week. Maybe not eat it but I'd buy it 7 days a week. Im willing to take one for the team.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

If they lower gas prices to acceptable levels ($2.85) a gallon, I swear, I will eat corn 7 days a week. Maybe not eat it but I'd buy it 7 days a week. Im willing to take one for the team.

How on earth is $2.85 acceptable?

What happened to $1.39??? Even the post-war-beginning $1.79 looks like a friggin' financial oasis!!

[MJB]

On that website link provides by Jim Lewis there is a link to converting our cars and trucks and suvs to water and save big on our gas bill each month. Anyone look into this yet. The plans are $49 and they claim it costs about $60 in suplies from the hardware store to convert to hydrogen. But the instructions were 90 pages so much for speedy conversion, but if one did it on their trucks maybe we could do it to our mowers too. At this rate we have to do something or we will all be riding bicycles pulling our push reel mowers behind us. Were all gonna be scrubs Oh No! lol Sorry I got carried away.

[JimLewis]

Well, they say necessity is the mother of ingenuity. So maybe this crisis will lead someone somewhere to develop something that will allow us to stop having to rely on oil. Problem is, we just aren't there yet. Of all of the alternative methods of fuel to date, none of them is the holy grail we're looking for.

My best friend is the founder of a big hydrogen fuel cell company
( www.clearedgepower.com ) and they've got a good thing going. But the reality is - even for hydrogen power - we're still not there yet. It's good for some uses. But it's not economical for powering cars in mass numbers. Same with almost everything else we've come up with so far.

Hopefully this will lead to some amazing discovery or invention that allows us to be energy independent and back on top again.

[cpel2004]

I have been saying this for sometime better have your exit strategy ready.

[Keith]

$10.00 per gallon??? **#@ me runnin' !!!





I can tell by the use of "**#@ me runnin' !!!" Jim and me are about the same age :laugh: I haven't heard that in years.

The $10 number doesn't jive though. Not saying it can't happen, but at the current rate that gas runs with oil, it would take over $350 to get us to that point. It doesn't really matter though, the wheels will start coming off long before that. At $10 we'll be at Mad Max.

[lawnguyland]

I can tell by the use of "F*#@ me runnin' !!!" Jim and me are about the same age :laugh: I haven't heard that in years.

The $10 number doesn't jive though. Not saying it can't happen, but at the current rate that gas runs with oil, it would take over $350 to get us to that point. It doesn't really matter though, the wheels will start coming off long before that. At $10 we'll be at Mad Max.

That Mad Max reference was sweet.

As far as 10$ gas and people not being able to afford a landscaper....I remember when only the 'rich' people had gardeners- almost everyone else would do their own lawn. So, too bad for you guys, but I 'll be working for the rich folks still!

If it gets real bad I'll sell the trucks and ride around on my mowers, keep it real local like way back in the day before I had a driver's license (prehistory).

I ain't afraid of no ghost..... I mean $10 gas.


The UK already pays $10 a gallon and it's still there.

[lawnguyland]

I think I'll dig a huge hole in my yard and fill it with $4 gas now.


Uh oh- new idea- instead of ponds we can build gas reserve pools :laugh:






Also- maybe all the fat poeple will lose weight, people in general wil be in better shape, and health care costs will go down (yeah right).

[lifetree]

Because clients have a limit to what they will pay for lawn mowing and landscaping. In economics, it's called "Elasticity of Demand". ...

This is correct from both an academic and practical perspective !!

[jbannick18]

There is plenty of oil, its the oil companies keeping the price up, from their perspective why wouldn't they, they are making a killing.

[TPnTX]

ethenol is another joke our governments collective mind pulled on the public. It reduces MPG and it jacks up the cost. Its purpose was to reduce greenhouse gases. It cost more to produce than its worth. "its the economy stupid". I'd like to make an example out of AlGore and hang his fat ass up on a pole as polar bear food.

I've supported bush almost his entire term. Now given the fact he isn't running around with his hair on fire over this just shows we dont stand a chance. Perfect situation for a liberal take over. "Here let us help you, you poor helpless american. We knew you'd come back begging"

Why would one bureaucracy implement an environment plan that has no positive impact at the same time we enter an energy crisis? crazy.

you think gasoline is the only problem. Anything made of plastic and anything that moves more than across the room is affected by this.

[TPnTX]

My hope is that the younger generation of today is fed up with the stupidity of their predecessors. To sit back idly allowing clowns to take office and run the country. Im 46 and anyone my age or older knows exactly what I'm talking about.

At least the younger generation will have the advantage that all these people with skewed value originating from the late 50's 60's and 70's will start to die. Thin out the heard.

Obama may not be the one. And I certainly don't endorse him, but I do see some fed up younger people. Who are we throwing at him? Mcain? oh god.

Get out and vote.

[lostmdboy]

If gas gets that high I think mowing grass will be the least of our problems. No trucks no food, ect. ect. The country will go under. We are just too drpendent on gas.

[jpmako]

Man that would be great $10.00 per gallon would equate to this
Filling my JD 777 $120.00
Filling my JD 7H19 $60.00
Scag W/B $50.00
Filling my 5 Gallon Cans $300.00 + 2 cycle oil

Assuming Diesel is $10.00 per gallon these would be the prices to fill up

2003 Chevy Pick-up $340.00
2007 Chevy Dump $480.00
F-600 Dump $1000.00
Backhoe $120.00

Oh yeah and if I had the time to get the boat in the water it would cost roughly $1500.00 without the oil for mix. And Fuel is much more expensive on the water.

Maybe time to start thinking about Turf Growth Regulators and Gang Reel Mowers towed behind a little diesel garden tractor running bio-diesel at a quarter throttle:confused:

For those that get paid monthly "let's hope for a Drought"

There may be a huge market for Artificial Turf and Rubber Mulch next year.

Jason

[dishboy]

If fuel goes to $10.00 my new add will read Have Bicycle and hand-tools will travel. It will look like china around here.

[Marcos]

I believe the recent " $10.00 a gallon a gas " talk is DIRECTLY designed to scare the U.S. public into REALLY thinking about some better alternatives for their (future) purchases of vehicles...as well as 'light a fire' under the remaining U.S. producers of automobiles, trucks, (etc)..to get them to come to the table :walking: ALOT FASTER :walking: with some type of REAL competition to the "Prius"...which Toyota is really ramping-up the production of...starting about NOW !

[jpmako]

Do you think a Prius can pull my trailer?

[jsf343]

I think I'll dig a huge hole in my yard and fill it with $4 gas now.


Uh oh- new idea- instead of ponds we can build gas reserve pools :laugh:






Also- maybe all the fat poeple will lose weight, people in general wil be in better shape, and health care costs will go down (yeah right).


hahahahahahahaha thats a good idea! our very own stratigic oil reserve!!

[Elden]

Maybe not your trailer, but I bet it could pull a small custom made trailer to fit a wb mower and all your hand tools. You might even get better gas mileage. I think the more energy that the braking system exerts the more it charges the batteries. I think they get better mileage in the city compared to on the highway.

I happened to see this truck on a show on Earth Day http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/index.php
It can go like 120 miles on a single charge.

The way I see it is one of two things is going to happen to the green industry. Either the economy will continue to slump where people are laid off, gas and food prices go up. Causing a ton of people to be unemployed and flood the industry w/ really cheap labor of people just trying to make a dollar to buy a 1/4 loaf of bread to feed their kids. / Or, It will get just bad enough where people who are cutting corners, lowballin, scamming what ever. They won't see that there is money to be made and get out, because it's costing them more than what they are making.

This country has been through a depression and it is still here. I don't think that $10 gallon of gas will cause me to die. We just have to think of new ways to do things. Either way my family will have food on our table. My help doesn't come from the US Gov. It comes from God.

[topsites]

All right, I'm going to go ahead and go take a dump now.
Then I have to go, get to work.

[JimLewis]

I can tell by the use of "**#@ me runnin' !!!" Jim and me are about the same age :laugh: I haven't heard that in years.

Yah, old habbits die hard. I picked up most all of my bad language (when it comes out sometimes) from my Dad. I know that's something he used to say.

[JimLewis]

As far as 10$ gas and people not being able to afford a landscaper....I remember when only the 'rich' people had gardeners- almost everyone else would do their own lawn. So, too bad for you guys, but I 'll be working for the rich folks still!

Yah, I am hoping the same thing. A lot of our clients are pretty well off. And even if I lost 90% of my business, I'd still have enough work for myself and one or two other guys. So that's good. But I would hate to have it come down to that. I kinda like my cozy job. :walking:

[IMAGE]

Nuclear Power!

We need more Nuclear Power!

And electric cars! So many people drive less then 100 miles a day, that they could use the electic car for 90% of thier driving, just charging it up at night. This would cut oil usuage dramatically. Lower demand = lower prices.

Also, there is free electical power to be had by farming ocean waves. Seriously, they put a floating generator on a pole thats ancored to the sea floor, the waves make it float up and down, creating electricity. Also some more dams making hydro power would help.

Electric Power is something we have control over that we can ramp up production of very quickly, and not be affected by a limited resource. Of course we will still need oil for fuel, but by using Electric power as much as possible we will cut demand and price.

[bill8379]

I believe the recent " $10.00 a gallon a gas " talk is DIRECTLY designed to scare the U.S. public into REALLY thinking about some better alternatives for their (future) purchases of vehicles...as well as 'light a fire' under the remaining U.S. producers of automobiles, trucks, (etc)..to get them to come to the table :walking: ALOT FASTER :walking: with some type of REAL competition to the "Prius"...which Toyota is really ramping-up the production of...starting about NOW !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7370441.stm

[Marcos]

Originally Posted by Marcos
I believe the recent " $10.00 a gallon a gas " talk is DIRECTLY designed to scare the U.S. public into REALLY thinking about some better alternatives for their (future) purchases of vehicles...as well as 'light a fire' under the remaining U.S. producers of automobiles, trucks, (etc)..to get them to come to the table ALOT FASTER with some type of REAL competition to the "Prius"...which Toyota is really ramping-up the production of...starting about NOW !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7370441.stm

O.K....and the exact point of posting that on top of my blog was......????

[bill8379]

Originally Posted by Marcos

O.K....and the exact point of posting that on top of my blog was......????

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Marcos]

Do you think a Prius can pull my trailer?

Maybe not..

But try to "think outside the box", for a moment, dude !!!
:hammerhead:

Don't you think it's just a MATTER OF TIME before Toyota (and others) can and will develop truly hybrid TRUCKS and SUVs, too ?!?

[Marcos]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Fine.
If you refuse to explain...then you're simply a coward.

[bill8379]

Maybe not..

But try to "think outside the box", for a moment, dude !!!
:hammerhead:

Don't you think it's just a MATTER OF TIME before Toyota (and others) can and will develop truly hybrid TRUCKS and SUVs, too ?!?

Well who do you think is trying to influence the American Public then? The Saudis? I don't think they want you to buy less oil.

The American Government? Bush didn't even know gas was going up to $4 a gallon and I don't think the Reps. have a SECRET green plan.:hammerhead:

The Japanese? Yeah they want competition for their cars.

[Marcos]

Well who do you think is trying to influence the American Public then?

In case you haven't realized it by now, Bill...our own (and much of the WORLD's...INCLUDING the BBC) now-fatalistic MEDIA manufactures much of it's own "news" :cry: these days....including the never-ending onslaught of propaganda shoved down our throats related to the grand ILLUSION and HOAX of "Global Warming"...( polar bears sliding off ice floes, etc. :laugh:)

[topsites]

In case you haven't realized it by now, Bill...our own (and much of the WORLD's...INCLUDING the BBC) now-fatalistic MEDIA manufactures much of it's own "news" :cry: these days....including the never-ending onslaught of propaganda shoved down our throats related to the grand ILLUSION and HOAX of "Global Warming"...( polar bears sliding off ice floes, etc. :laugh:)

Of course, you DO realize we here are also manufacturing "media" :laugh:
Better still, at least some is for our very own little purposes lol

At least with us some is still good old folklore lmao

[regl]

I just saw that and thought the same thing. You can bet your last dollar P-town will be the first to feel that too. I think we are one of the few cities pushing $3.60-$3.80 a gallon. Yikes

Payed $4.09 yesterday for high test. Who knows what it will be today.

[bill8379]

In case you haven't realized it by now, Bill...our own (and much of the WORLD's...INCLUDING the BBC) now-fatalistic MEDIA manufactures much of it's own "news" :cry: these days....including the never-ending onslaught of propaganda shoved down our throats related to the grand ILLUSION and HOAX of "Global Warming"...( polar bears sliding off ice floes, etc. :laugh:)

Your prescription is Tin foil and Ritalin.:laugh:

For what it's worth, I just heard Glenn Beck say that the US can make oil from coal for $55 a barrel. Last time they started developing this in the 80's the Saudis collapsed the oil market from $34 a barrel to $8 a barrel.

[regl]

problem is we don't have enough farm land to grow corn for feed and the increased ethanol plans. If midwest farmers decide to plant corn for ethanol production just wait, price of your groceries will go through the roof. Maybe we should all start bagging and make ethanol from the clippings.

[JimLewis]

For what it's worth, I just heard Glenn Beck say that the US can make oil from coal for $55 a barrel. Last time they started developing this in the 80's the Saudis collapsed the oil market from $34 a barrel to $8 a barrel.

Probably true. But the problem with little ideas like this is pundits spout them off as if they are brilliant ideas without really thinking through whether it is really practical long-term. There are all sorts of potential problems with that.

First off, just because they can make it for $55 a barrel doesn't mean that will be the selling price. Everything is driven by demand. So if the demand is high, the selling (trading) price of that coal/oil could be $110 a barrel or more!

Second, how much coal do we really have? Do we have enough to maintain production of oil on a large scale basis for a long time? Would digging for / finding new coal mines end up raising costs?

Third, there is the issue of pollution. Does this process of changing coal into oil produce smoke pollution or other pollution? Regardless of whether you're a global warming fanatic or not, nobody wants to live in a city like Detroit where there's so much smog and soot in the air you can hardly see. And there are very real EPA restrictions that would come into play.

These are just a few potential problems. I am not saying they can't be worked through. But I am just saying when pundits come up with these miracle ideas that would solve all of our problems, I don't think they are always thinking it through all the way. Sounds good on the radio. Makes them seem smart. But the reality is often different than how they made it sound. Remember when ethanol was supposed to be the miracle cure?

[Marcos]

Your prescription is Tin foil and Ritalin.:laugh:

For what it's worth, I just heard Glenn Beck say that the US can make oil from coal for $55 a barrel. Last time they started developing this in the 80's the Saudis collapsed the oil market from $34 a barrel to $8 a barrel.

...not sure what dimension you're speaking from with the "tin foil & Ritalin" comment.

I'm all for finding alternative sources of fuel for EVERYTHING that is currently non-renewable, and as quickly as possible.

Nuclear...
Solar...
Wind...
Geothermal...
Harnessing ocean currents & tides...
...all have very bright futures ahead of them.

I want to do it for the RIGHT reasons, though...because it MAKES SENSE to!

Not because some Gorist doctrine TOLD me to do so... or some U.N. "Robin Hood" Kyoto or Bali-orchestrated stack of propoganda left-leaning lies tried to direct the THINKING of me and my family !
_________________
To me...the idea of processing coal into oil just trades one type of pollution for another...and it's inevitable that it's only "buying time" toward another crisis point in energy... a generation or so down the line.....

[magbarn]

Excerpt from lawnsite.com circa March 11, 2015:
Stihl Vs. Echo trimmer
Which one should I get for next season? Stihl 4 Cell Lithium-Ion Carbon graphite trimmer or Echo's 2 Cell Lithium Polymer Titanium Trimmer?

[meets1]

Listening to Rush & Fox news. Oil companies reporting largest 1st qt earnings ever. Both Rush and Fox used that as an example to the corn growers. $6 / bushel corn - farmers are making a wind-fall in profits and being subsized.

I know about farmers and input cost and everything down the line. Father-in-law, uncles, etc are all farmers.

But do to increase food prices, thank ethanol and other corn alternatives cuz that is driving the market up for food prices.

I think you could all drive hydrid cars and oil would still be $120 a barrel.

[Marcos]

Excerpt from lawnsite.com circa March 11, 2015:
Stihl Vs. Echo trimmer
Which one should I get for next season? Stihl 4 Cell Lithium-Ion Carbon graphite trimmer or Echo's 2 Cell Lithium Polymer Titanium Trimmer?

Or maybe by 2015....we'll be finally "Back to the Garden"....as Steven Stills once wrote, and be utilizing goats, sheep etc again....the main way our fore-fathers kept vegetation down around homesteads only 2 to 3 generations ago !!

:)

[Marcos]

In case you haven't realized it by now, Bill...our own (and much of the WORLD's...INCLUDING the BBC) now-fatalistic MEDIA manufactures much of it's own "news" these days....including the never-ending onslaught of propaganda shoved down our throats related to the grand ILLUSION and HOAX of "Global Warming"...( polar bears sliding off ice floes, etc. )


Listening to Rush & Fox news.

....and the "right" media LIES just as much as the "left" does.

:hammerhead:

There's just proportionately NOT the same amount of conservative media in this country as there is liberal-controlled media (except AM talk radio, as a whole) .

[magbarn]

Or maybe by 2015....we'll be finally "Back to the Garden"....as Steven Stills once wrote, and be utilizing goats, sheep etc again....the main way our fore-fathers kept vegetation down around homesteads only 2 to 3 generations ago !!

:)

The problem is that parent's goats don't when to stop! They'll eat grass down to the roots! They make great weed-wackers, but very poor lawn mowers. They make a Walmart $99 mower look good! In all seriousness, alot of this current run up on oil/gas prices is from damn speculators "so called investor (ie GAMBLERS!)" running up the price of the black stuff.

[echo8287]

Talk is cheap. Lets unite and have a "tea party". Let's start our own oil company>American Citizen Oil. I don't see young people of today ever really making an impact on our society. If the oil situation could be solved by video game,then they could do it. An old guy,David

[mrsargemeister]

My hope is that the younger generation of today is fed up with the stupidity of their predecessors. To sit back idly allowing clowns to take office and run the country. Im 46 and anyone my age or older knows exactly what I'm talking about.

At least the younger generation will have the advantage that all these people with skewed value originating from the late 50's 60's and 70's will start to die. Thin out the heard.

Obama may not be the one. And I certainly don't endorse him, but I do see some fed up younger people. Who are we throwing at him? Mcain? oh god.

Get out and vote.

Yeah man I couldnt agree with you more. As you said, your generation sold this country out. I'm 25 from that fed up younger generation you speak of.

[TPnTX]

well good for you. Your generation won't be the first shake their fist at the goverment but maybe you'll be the 1st to not take the right to vote for granted. Life is good as they say and we have not had much to worry about until now that is.

[mrsargemeister]

well good for you. Your generation won't be the first shake their fist at the goverment but maybe you'll be the 1st to not take the right to vote for granted. Life is good as they say and we have not had much to worry about until now that is.

good words of wisdom my friend. To be honest I'm starting to get skeptical about voting. Same old politics, lies, corruption, etc. Two party system IMO doesnt work. That mentality likes to assign a label to everything, white vs black, rich vs poor, have vs have nots.

The media is a sham. I watch the news purely for entertainment value nothing more. Ron Paul was one candidate that I liked, had his head on straight but then the media blacked him out. :cry: So what choice do we really have?

[M&SLawnCare]

It will certainly affect us, but all the doom and gloom people saying the country will crumble need to calm down and wake up. Globally speaking we pay very little for gas compared to other countries. Europe is already over 10 in many areas and last i checked, its not Armageddon over there. Whatever happens the country, and our business, will just have to adapt.

You'll see fewer soccer moms driving around in their 4X4 suv's, less guys driving around in F350's as their normal car, maybe even the obesity issue this country has will drop as food costs more. It may be hard at first but everyone will adapt. Remember when it was 1$ a gallon and everyone screamed the country will collapse at 3$ a gallon? We're still here.

[albhb3]

Time to invent a hybrid mower

[landscaper22]

It will certainly affect us, but all the doom and gloom people saying the country will crumble need to calm down and wake up. Globally speaking we pay very little for gas compared to other countries. Europe is already over 10 in many areas and last i checked, its not Armageddon over there. Whatever happens the country, and our business, will just have to adapt.


I don't think my customers will adapt to paying what I would have to charge if gas hits $10. Will the entire country crumble? I don't know. Many LCOs will fold for sure. You will probably have so dummy still mowing yards for $20, even though it may cost them $21 to do the job. But think what you will be paying for food and other goods. Your employees would have to make more money too, because it would cost them more than an hour in wages each day to commute back and forth to work. Not worth working.

[bill8379]

I'm all for finding alternative sources of fuel for EVERYTHING that is currently non-renewable, and as quickly as possible.

Nuclear...
Solar...
Wind...
Geothermal...
Harnessing ocean currents & tides...
...all have very bright futures ahead of them.

I want to do it for the RIGHT reasons, though...because it MAKES SENSE to!

Not because some Gorist doctrine TOLD me to do so... or some U.N. "Robin Hood" Kyoto or Bali-orchestrated stack of propoganda left-leaning lies tried to direct the THINKING of me and my family !
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To me...the idea of processing coal into oil just trades one type of pollution for another...and it's inevitable that it's only "buying time" toward another crisis point in energy... a generation or so down the line.....
Well then you should be happy with an oil price surge, the higher the better in fact. Do you know why? Because Necessity is the Mother of Invention. I think I understand this from both sides. First, I can see the bright side of high gas prices, only that will push the technology out for Hybrids and better (electric cars).

2nd, I really just want to drive my big GMC Sierra around and pay half the price of gas. In a more practical sense, I have a business to run and high gas prices are squeezing my ....... ummm wallet.

[lawnman_scott]

I probably spend about $1000 a month on gas. So it would cost me about $1500 a month in profits. Or I could raise prices about $15 a person. We will adjust, adapt, ............ then we will be happy when it goes down to $8.50. Life will go on, the govt will be the same, and people will laugh at guys like Ron Paul.

[1wezil]

if the government would release the 1000's of 1000s of acres of set aside land and put it back into production that would make a big change but oh ya that would mean that all those congress men that own the land would not get payed to do nothing with there land and would have to really start working , oh that would be funny to see them really working for a living . a lot of that land has been sitting idle for 15 to 20 years .corn does make some great shine .??????

[BCLM]

we think we have it bad here in north america, those people from Europe have had this for years, inflated costs, fuel prices are beyond belief, I work for a golf course in BC which if leisure prices inflate anymore then peoples disposable incomes also goes down the pan, thats why we concentrate our landscape business around property managers who have no choice but to get outside landscape crews in to maintain their properties BC is booming so fortunately for us there is no end of new projects coming to Vancouver, but as we alll know you gotta be willing to bust yer backside to get the crap jobs at 1st only to show how well you do then the cream comes, keep on trying guys dont give up, the price of fuel wont put people off hiring you they need you.

[Marcos]

Well then you should be happy with an oil price surge, the higher the better in fact. Do you know why? Because Necessity is the Mother of Invention.

I guess the Japanese then must have been able to predict the future, because they're sitting in the "cat-bird seat" right now because they had the foresight to be the 1st to develop WORKABLE hybrids...planning and developing them during a time of much more "acceptable" world oil prices.

In essence, they've made GM, Ford & the rest look absolutely stupid.

[SilkKnitter]

If gas gets that high I think mowing grass will be the least of our problems. No trucks no food, ect. ect. The country will go under. We are just too drpendent on gas.

You are right about the "no trucks no food" We all better plant some gardens.

[mrsargemeister]

It will certainly affect us, but all the doom and gloom people saying the country will crumble need to calm down and wake up. Globally speaking we pay very little for gas compared to other countries. Europe is already over 10 in many areas and last i checked, its not Armageddon over there. Whatever happens the country, and our business, will just have to adapt.

You'll see fewer soccer moms driving around in their 4X4 suv's, less guys driving around in F350's as their normal car, maybe even the obesity issue this country has will drop as food costs more. It may be hard at first but everyone will adapt. Remember when it was 1$ a gallon and everyone screamed the country will collapse at 3$ a gallon? We're still here.

european infrastructure is not as dependent on crude as the US. The US economy is much more leveraged to oil then Europe. But you're absolutely right, people will just have to adapt, consumer confidence will go down, consumer spending will grind lower...the economy will suffer. The middle class will shrink and the US will lose its #1 position at the top of the totem pole. What remains to be seen is how our govt will adapt to these changes and how they will stop spending our money like drunken sailors. Whats certain is they'll probably continue to who*e out the middle/working class as long as they can before people really start getting pissed off and start reaching for their pitch forks. This entire sequence of events probably wont happen any time soon, its a process thats likely to occur over the next 50 years.

[bill8379]

I guess the Japanese then must have been able to predict the future, because they're sitting in the "cat-bird seat" right now because they had the foresight to be the 1st to develop WORKABLE hybrids...planning and developing them during a time of much more "acceptable" world oil prices.

In essence, they've made GM, Ford & the rest look absolutely stupid.

The Japanese have the advantage of living in Japan:laugh: Seriously, they have ZERO oil, they lost the war because their oil was cut off. Small and cramped and very hard working. GM and the rest are locked in with labour contracts and retirement packages and the American "SUV" mentality.

I much prefer bigger cars and trucks myself, but only if gas is cheap. I even hate my 6 cycl Ford Ranger. I much prefer my GMC Sierra.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

The Japanese have the advantage of living in Japan:laugh: Seriously, they have ZERO oil, they lost the war because their oil was cut off. Small and cramped and very hard working. GM and the rest are locked in with labour contracts and retirement packages and the American "SUV" mentality.

I much prefer bigger cars and trucks myself, but only if gas is cheap. I even hate my 6 cycl Ford Ranger. I much prefer my GMC Sierra.

Don't forget that it was the US who funded and built those steel plants that enabled the Japs to advance past us... Not that moving past us takes much these days - what with are incredible schooling system, litigious mindset, and bureaucratic strangleholds...

[albhb3]

Gas will never reach that high b/c of the fact that food will cost to much and it will be people everywhere fighting for food. I think the people of the USA is ready for a revolt every other old country has and no 200 some years is not old

[bill8379]

Don't forget that it was the US who funded and built those steel plants that enabled the Japs to advance past us...

I'm not so sure, I actually think it's their work ethic that is the biggest factor, they actually all work out together before each shift, just like a sports team. Quality control that puts everyone else to shame and they actually try to create as many jobs as possible in the States where as the American makers are shipping jobs to Mexico.

The British have steel plants and they are also small and cramped country but they can't even touch the Japanese production level in small, high quality, affordable cars. I understand they will be making 3/4 ton trucks soon as well.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

I'm not so sure, I actually think it's their work ethic that is the biggest factor, they actually all work out together before each shift, just like a sports team. Quality control that puts everyone else to shame and they actually try to create as many jobs as possible in the States where as the American makers are shipping jobs to Mexico.

The British have steel plants and they are also small and cramped country but they can't even touch the Japanese production level in small, high quality, affordable cars. I understand they will be making 3/4 ton trucks soon as well.

You missed my point. Had we not completely rebuilt their infrastructure after WWII, they'd have never had the opportunity to put that great work ethic and quality control to use...

[ex lawncare retailer]

I just posted on the "Kramer" thread that gas in England is about $8.00/gallon. So there's always somebody worse off.

[bill8379]

You missed my point. Had we not completely rebuilt their infrastructure after WWII, they'd have never had the opportunity to put that great work ethic and quality control to use...

Well after fire bombing dozens of cities and then nuking a couple more it was just good sportsmanship. At least they don't hate the West, Kamakazie terrorists would be even worse then muslims I think.

[bill8379]

I just posted on the "Kramer" thread that gas in England is about $8.00/gallon. So there's always somebody worse off.

I wish someone from England would post how they managed with such high gas prices. That would be very interesting compared to people just whining about it.

[whoopassonthebluegrass]

Well after fire bombing dozens of cities and then nuking a couple more it was just good sportsmanship.

I don't disagree at all. My brother in law is high up Army and told us over winter that England's jokingly said its best move would be to attack the US. Why? Because after we beat them into the ground, we'd rebuild them and they'd be better off than they ever were beforehand. LOL!!!

[bill8379]

I don't disagree at all. My brother in law is high up Army and told us over winter that England's jokingly said its best move would be to attack the US. Why? Because after we beat them into the ground, we'd rebuild them and they'd be better off than they ever were beforehand. LOL!!!

Hey that's the Exact story line of that Peter Seller's movie called "The Mouse That Roared" It's classic!:laugh:

[ex lawncare retailer]

They have copious amounts of mass transit and very, very tiny yards for one thing. My guess is there aren't a lot of ZTR's whipping around there. :laugh:

[ex lawncare retailer]

Hey that's the Exact story line of that Peter Seller's movie called "The Mouse That Roared" It's classic!:laugh:

During WWII while we had troops in England building up in anticipation for D-Day, the Brits would say that the problem with American GI's were that they were "over paid, over sexed and over here". The Americans responded in kind saying that the Brits were jealous because they were "under paid, under sexed and under Eisenhower!":laugh: