What do you guys think about this truck?

[Albery's Lawn & Tractor]

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Yes its a gas but thats what I want. I have no desire to have a diesel right now so save the "should get a diesel" comments. I was first only interested in a 3/4 ton until I saw this. Price is good on it. I would be using it to tow my 16' enclosed with say 6K lbs and occasionally our equipment trailer w/ the Massey 263. Have any of you guys ran one of these newer gas duallys? I'm wondering if the hemi will be enough or will I have to look at the Ford V10.

[TPS]

The hemi has plenty of power. Looks like a good price and the miles are not to bad. Around here gas is 80 cents a gallon cheaper then the diesel. Make sure it has decent tires when you buy it, because you will be buying 6. Good luck.

[JohnsonLawn]

Waaaaayyyyy to pretty to be a work truck. That baby would be my personal vehicle. Honestly, that would be a sweet truck to have. Good luck if you pick it up

[NOOB]

About $30k I would believe

[nosparkplugs]

Waste of Money without a diesel, you are buying a underpowered dually?????

[AndyTblc]

My neighbor got rid of his 2500 Dodge Hemi, got maybe 13 on the Highway, and 8 in the city. Keep in mind the MPG's

[SouthernLandworks]

It looks like an excellent buy to me. I have been up there to shamburgs and it looks like he sells good stuff, good honest guy. That truck is plenty for what you need.

[tras]

I always laugh a little when i see a gas dually out on the road, expecially if its pulling.

[Blueribbonlawns]

Use less as a dually if it has bin used like a dually normally would be used the hemi's motor's pretty much shot

[packey]

ok for the price and being a 4x4 it is a good price. Yes the 5.7 will be a little under powered with a load on say like 10000 lbs. No the comment about the 5.7 being worn out at 70000 is a bunch of bull. I am a big proponent of diesel even if it does cost more because of what you get but sometimes it does not make sense to spend the extra money. I bet you can get it under the 14000 to because of fuel prices. You will like the truck if you are a person who does not get in a hurry and you are not one to speed. I have both a 3/4 ton single and a 1 ton dually and I will take out the underpowered one ton with my mowing equipment any day over the 3/4 it just handles a trailer so much better. you also need to look at this if you are in town and doing a lot of stopping from lawn to lawn the gas axtually has an advantage. The diesel is good if you are going to be drinving good distances between one property to another or you just simply need the extra power because you are towing 10000 plus lbs behind you.

[JohnsonLawn]

I always laugh a little when i see a gas dually out on the road, expecially if its pulling.

Why do you laugh??

[Albery's Lawn & Tractor]

I laugh seeing all these guys running around with a diesel pulling only 5K lbs. They pay a crap load more for the truck, now have to pay atleast 80 cents more per gallon, and theres not that big of a mpg difference anymore. In my area all these guys are using their diesels like a car, usually don't even pull anything. I work within a 15 mile radius of the shop, I don't need a diesel for my set up.

[JohnsonLawn]

I laugh seeing all these guys running around with a diesel pulling only 5K lbs. They pay a crap load more for the truck, now have to pay atleast 80 cents more per gallon, and theres not that big of a mpg difference anymore. In my area all these guys are using their diesels like a car, usually don't even pull anything. I work within a 15 mile radius of the shop, I don't need a diesel for my set up.

I agree, my 1 ton has a 454 and it will pull down a house. The mileage is not great, @ 8 or so, but its paid for.

[DLCS]

I always laugh a little when i see a gas dually out on the road, expecially if its pulling.



I always laugh when I see ignorant comments like the one above.:rolleyes:

[Mowingman]

I think you will be fine with that truck. now, if you were pulling a heavily loaded gooseneck all day long, day in and day out, I wouuld not recommend it. however, for what you are doing, that hemi power makes good sense. Looks like a great truck at a fair price. Big duallys are selling at bargain prices around here, due to the high fuel costs.
I would go for it.

[lwcmattlifter]

I wouldn't bother with a diesel unless your going to be racking up a lot miles and towing 10k+. For what it looks like you'll be towing the 5.7 will be fine. You won't win any races but who cares, it's a work truck.

[nosparkplugs]

ok for the price and being a 4x4 it is a good price. Yes the 5.7 will be a little under powered with a load on say like 10000 lbs. No the comment about the 5.7 being worn out at 70000 is a bunch of bull. I am a big proponent of diesel even if it does cost more because of what you get but sometimes it does not make sense to spend the extra money. I bet you can get it under the 14000 to because of fuel prices. You will like the truck if you are a person who does not get in a hurry and you are not one to speed. I have both a 3/4 ton single and a 1 ton dually and I will take out the underpowered one ton with my mowing equipment any day over the 3/4 it just handles a trailer so much better. you also need to look at this if you are in town and doing a lot of stopping from lawn to lawn the gas axtually has an advantage. The diesel is good if you are going to be drinving good distances between one property to another or you just simply need the extra power because you are towing 10000 plus lbs behind you.


A diesel will not overheat; unlike a a gasoline engine which will overheat in stop & go traffic, or extensive idling. Stop with the "you gotta drive over X number of miles & tow X number of tons before a diesel is worth the extra money in a vehicle. Diesel is higher at the pump in cost; however gasoline has a thermal rating of 125,000BTU's vs 147,000BTU's for diesel fuel, result diesel engines are thermally more efficient; you get more MPG per gallon on diesel than cheaper gasoline. So while you gas burnes "think" your saving money at the pump, your actually just filling up your tanks more, but your I can buy more "cheaper" fuel theory is BS

[Albery's Lawn & Tractor]

Nosparkplugs, why can't you understand I don't want a diesel? Yes diesels are capable of doing more then a gasser but for my needs its a waste. Diesel costs more upfront, fuels is higher, repairs are higher, I don't need to tow 15K lbs so whats the point?

[corey4671]

Nosparkplugs, why can't you understand I don't want a diesel? Yes diesels are capable of doing more then a gasser but for my needs its a waste. Diesel costs more upfront, fuels is higher, repairs are higher, I don't need to tow 15K lbs so whats the point?

look at what he is saying!! ^^ there is one guy around here who hasa brand new ton dodge diesel pulling a 6x10 trailer around with one Z on it!! That's NUTS!!! Furthermore, Albery is telling you, he works within a FIFTEEN MILE RADIUS!!! That does NOT require the power and torque of a diesel!!! Remember when diesel used to be CHEAPER than gas? Then what happened? I'll tell you what happened..people that had no NEED for diesel trucks went out and bought them becasue they thought they were cool. That drove the demand for diesel up!! I see freakin high school kids driving brand new diesel trucks to school...never tow anything but they think it makes them look cool and momma and daddy had WAY too much $$$ to blow for Jr to be accepted among his peers. IMO, unless you are towing tractors, backhoes, skid steers anything HEAVY day in and day out, you have wasted your money on a bunch of truck you simply do not need...it is just a status symbol. I would go so far as to say that 80% of the guys on here could get by with a good used 3/4 gasser. Hmmm...sounds kinda like what I have :waving:

[SouthernLandworks]

My F250 with the triton does a great job pulling my tractor and skid steer. Diesel fuel cost more, Diesel cost more up front, Cost more to maintain and they get about the same mpg's so it made no sense for me to spend the extra money for the diesel option in my pickup. Now my dump truck and anything bigger than a pick up truck is a totally different story. 80% of the people driving around in diesel pickup's could do without them.

[SouthernLandworks]

lol.....corey, I hadnt even read your post I was just replying to nosparkplugs post, but it seems you and I have similar thoughts.

[nosparkplugs]

We all have experience with trucks & engine's, I can tell you one thing that back when gasoline was cheaper I was spending more on gasoline towing with a gasoline Dodge 2500 V8, and the V8 was struggling towing & hauling daily, it sucked. I had no major trouble with my Dodge gasoline burner; however it did require more routine maintenance than my Cummins diesel. The popularity of diesels has tripled in the past three years, many diesel owners are exgas owners, who simply want a truck that will last, and with a programmer or chip can be modified for: increased MPG for towing or the "hot rodder" or "young Kids" who like the Higher HP & triple digit torque numbers with no internal engine modifications. Simple fact diesels are more popular than gasoline trucks; regardless if you work them or not, supply & demand the demand for diesel is higher now than 4 years ago? why more diesels on the road, guess those kids know something we don't??

[GravelyNut]

I agree, my 1 ton has a 454 and it will pull down a house. The mileage is not great, @ 8 or so, but its paid for.
:waving: 2001 8.1 3500 DRW and ~ 13 to 14 MPG and paid for. Could have been better with the 3.73 rear gears, but I bought it with the 4.10 to be able to pull the house and kitchen sink too. And it is rated for the same loads as a Duramax 3500 of the same age.

[johnnie5]

that video on ebay sounds like a porno lol

[packey]

hey no spark plugs before you show your ignorance listen and learn. go back and read my posts I am not anit diesel. the question was asked if the gas butner will work for what he needs. The simple answer is yes. I have lived around and grown up with a diesel mechanic and instructor all my life. I am not speaking of a typical greese monkey either. I am speaking fo one of the most educated diesel instructors in the nation. What I was saying is gas burners have their place and diesel has its place. As far as a diesel over heating you don't know jack yes they will overheat and cook themselves juast as any internal combustion engine can. If you are working your truck in town with a lot of house stops the gas burner is more than adequate and for the price that truck will probably be replaced before the diesel will become more cost effective.

Diesel is a no brainer if you are hauling more than an in town route. I have never said anything contrary to that.

As far as the gas burner having no power You make me question your driving style and how the truck was set up. I have pulled 10000 lbs loads with a gas 318 engine. it will pull it. Matter of fact it pulled the first week of January 2007 during Colorado's ice storms up I 70. The only issue I had was control on the load going back down the grade from Isenhower tunnel to silerton which is over 7 percent grade and a solid sheet of ice. What was funny is dad pulling with the cummins behind me was having the same issues. Some times we want way more power that we acutually need. I have since replaced the 318 with a 440. For what I have right now and what I need it does a great job. The whole reason I did not convert to diesel right now is it did not make good econmicla sence for the work I was doing. The cummins wheighs to much for plowing and hates to start when the temps drop below 30 below. I haul mowing equipment in town at slow speeds 25-35 mph because that is the speed limit.

To be completely honest I do have a diesel coming this summer. but then again I have a reason for it I just bought a jd 210 landscape tractor and the diesel will make more sence when I am hauling that tractor.

[TXNSLighting]

i wouldnt give 14 for it.

[SouthernLandworks]

Well said packey

[nosparkplugs]

Call me ignorant; while everyone, and their brother "knows" a diesel mechanic. Keep preaching the gasoline is the "best choice" for the local only LCO, I have been able to capitalize on the fact that many LCO have a "comfort zone" with their gas trucks. I tow & haul 13,500GTWR daily, and just was trying to help out; because I know that when I purchased a dodge 2500 gasburner I out grew that truck within a year. I have over 35 residential accounts, 13 gas stations, 1-15 acre church,1 large apartment complex that will add an additional 3 complex's within the next year. negotiating a contract on an additional 194 gas stations covering the tri-state area. Pipe line right of way mowing with a Kubota MX6800. Diesels are made to work, You would not blink an eye to purchase a tractor with a diesel, but only then is it "justified to pull it with a diesel. If your serious about the "Making" it in the green industry you need a diesel period. I knew that I needed to covert to diesel trucks to compete with the "big boys", and it has paid off 3 fold for me. I guess I am a "risk" taker, spent that extra $6,000 for a "DIESEL" oh my gosh what a waste of money. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. good luck with the Hemi powered Dodge, at least it's a Dodge truck.

[mower&more1986]

that video on ebay sounds like a porno lol

ha i agree :laugh:

[Nozzleman]

Call me ignorant; while everyone, and their brother "knows" a diesel mechanic. Keep preaching the gasoline is the "best choice" for the local only LCO, I have been able to capitalize on the fact that many LCO have a "comfort zone" with their gas trucks. I tow & haul 13,500GTWR daily, and just was trying to help out; because I know that when I purchased a dodge 2500 gasburner I out grew that truck within a year. I have over 35 residential accounts, 13 gas stations, 1-15 acre church,1 large apartment complex that will add an additional 3 complex's within the next year. negotiating a contract on an additional 194 gas stations covering the tri-state area. Pipe line right of way mowing with a Kubota MX6800. Diesels are made to work, You would not blink an eye to purchase a tractor with a diesel, but only then is it "justified to pull it with a diesel. If your serious about the "Making" it in the green industry you need a diesel period. I knew that I needed to covert to diesel trucks to compete with the "big boys", and it has paid off 3 fold for me. I guess I am a "risk" taker, spent that extra $6,000 for a "DIESEL" oh my gosh what a waste of money. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. good luck with the Hemi powered Dodge, at least it's a Dodge truck.


Wow, that diesel cool aid your drinking is really going to your head huh? While I agree that diesels have there place I think your "If you serious about making it in the green industry you need a diesel period" comment is way out of line. First off some LCO's on this forum DO need a diesel to do the work they perform. However, as many or more DO NOT need a diesel to get the job done and turn a profit. You need to come back to earth now and realize the savings of a diesel are not what they used to be and unless your towing heavy they are not needed. Oh btw, I've owned three Dodge Cummins trucks in the past so I do have experience with them.

To the OP, the truck looks sweet and if it checks out to be a good truck when you look at it I'm sure the Hemi won't let you down.

[Redneckn]

at least it's a Dodge truck.

That comment took the cake.. :laughing:
Seriously. There is a reason why about 80% of the work trucks in America are Ford.

We worked the crap outta our trucks back on the farm and the Dodge doesnt hold a candle to the Fords.. But it is better than the GMC we're stuck with.

[JohnsonLawn]

"If your serious about the "Making" it in the green industry you need a diesel period." as said by Nosparkplugs


I guess that means all us gas guys should just stay at the house tomorrow morning. To heck with, hey all you gas burners, cookout at my place tomorrow!!!!:clapping:

[MysticLandscape]

I resent the highschool kid driving a diesel statment. I drove a diesel my whole SR. Year and my parents didn't buy it. I worked it. I was the only one for awhile then my buddy who also does landscaping bought one. And I drive alot I already have 38k on it, its not even two years old yet. So watch what you say.

[JohnsonLawn]

I resent the highschool kid driving a diesel statment. I drove a diesel my whole SR. Year and my parents didn't buy it. I worked it. I was the only one for awhile then my buddy who also does landscaping bought one. And I drive alot I already have 38k on it, its not even two years old yet. So watch what you say.

Good thing you went diesel Mystic, your gonna make it in this business young man.:laugh::laugh:

[nosparkplugs]

Wow, that diesel cool aid your drinking is really going to your head huh? While I agree that diesels have there place I think your "If you serious about making it in the green industry you need a diesel period" comment is way out of line. First off some LCO's on this forum DO need a diesel to do the work they perform. However, as many or more DO NOT need a diesel to get the job done and turn a profit. You need to come back to earth now and realize the savings of a diesel are not what they used to be and unless your towing heavy they are not needed. Oh btw, I've owned three Dodge Cummins trucks in the past so I do have experience with them.

To the OP, the truck looks sweet and if it checks out to be a good truck when you look at it I'm sure the Hemi won't let you down.

Feet are firmly planted on Gods earth last time I looked down, I am greatful for everything I have been blessed with.

Fact with Amsoils dual- bypass oil filter system I have eliminated routine oil changes; currently I have 39,576 miles on the same oil or 1 year of use to date, do the math yourself nozzleman since you have owned "three Cummins" how much did you spend on "routine scheduled oil changes for your diesels in a year? My only operating expense is diesel fuel & two fuel filters to date for 39,576 miles and counting

Sure not everyone "needs" a diesel; however to say that "diesel savings are not what they use to be" is confusing to me? Supply & Demand is the term used for the currently trend in high diesel price's, while diesel sales continue to increase in the US, we also have emerging global economies, that are reducing the diesel fuel supply worldwide.

My blood is ULSD

[MysticLandscape]

Good thing you went diesel Mystic, your gonna make it in this business young man.:laugh::laugh:

Find me another 20 year old that goes to college full time an does what I do then talk to me about making it in the business who are you anyway? You have no clue who I am or what I do .... another person that thinks they know but they really don't

[JohnsonLawn]

Find me another 20 year old that goes to college full time an does what I do then talk to me about making it in the business who are you anyway? You have no clue who I am or what I do .... another person that thinks they know but they really don't

Well, first off that remark was a poke at the comment about how you need a diesel to make it in this business and not at you. I was saying that because you went with a diesel you should now be guaranteed success in the industry. It was humor, but as a 20 year old college student, I am sure you knew that!

[Nozzleman]

Feet are firmly planted on Gods earth last time I looked down, I am greatful for everything I have been blessed with.

Fact with Amsoils dual- bypass oil filter system I have eliminated routine oil changes; currently I have 39,576 miles on the same oil or 1 year of use to date, do the math yourself nozzleman since you have owned "three Cummins" how much did you spend on "routine scheduled oil changes for your diesels in a year? My only operating expense is diesel fuel & two fuel filters to date for 39,576 miles and counting

Sure not everyone "needs" a diesel; however to say that "diesel savings are not what they use to be" is confusing to me? Supply & Demand is the term used for the currently trend in high diesel price's, while diesel sales continue to increase in the US, we also have emerging global economies, that are reducing the diesel fuel supply worldwide.

My blood is ULSD

Do you think using an Amsoil oil filter to lengthen your oil change interval justify's owning a diesel? Could you put that same dual-bypass system on a gas motor and lengthen that interval too? For clarification I owned (past tense) 3 Cummins but I now drive a V-10 Ford Superduty. When I sat down last year and analyzed my driving habits I realized a new diesel would no longer suit my driving and towing habits so I went gas for my new truck.

As for supply and demand driving diesel prices and my comment regarding savings are not what they used to be. The bottom line is todays emission laden diesels are not producing the mpg's that you generation of the Dodge/Cummins trucks get. While your seeing high mpg's, a new Dodge, Ford, or GM owner is not. When you factor in the up front cost of the diesel, the extra maintenance, cost of fuel, and the supposed 100,000 mile DPF replacement the new diesel is just not as economical to own as the older diesels.

If the OP was looking at the same 03' dually but it instead had a Cummins I would still tell him to buy it. My 04' Cummins was a great truck/engine combo and as long as one does not mind paying at the pump then go for it. I too realize that an 04' Cummins get's better mileage than my 08' V-10 and this will offset the increased fuel price. However, I stand behind my original statement regarding diesel savings and I know that many LCO's on this site make lot's of money driving a gasser. Heck, many drive a half ton gasser and laugh all the way to the bank.

[MysticLandscape]

Well, first off that remark was a poke at the comment about how you need a diesel to make it in this business and not at you. I was saying that because you went with a diesel you should now be guaranteed success in the industry. It was humor, but as a 20 year old college student, I am sure you knew that!

It could of gone both ways but the smily face made it seem like a wise as comment.