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fshrdan
12-12-2001, 09:31 PM
I have a customer with a mole problem that's just about to reach epidemic proportions. Have any of you had experience with Mole-Med? Is it effective? If you offer this service, what is your square footage costs? Also, where do I get an MSDS for this product?

Yes, I have conducted a search. I prefer not to trap... I'm not on this property enough. And no, the Mole Med website does not have a MSDS to download.

Thanks in advance, Daniel

James234
12-12-2001, 09:54 PM
If they don't have dogs or cats, try Sweeney's Poison Peanuts. Should be available at your local Lowe's, etc. Follow the directions closely. Zinc Phosphide works great on these guys. However, in the longer term consider the insects in the ground as the real problem and use insecticides as required. Don't fall for the old "Juicy Fruit gum and human hair" routine.

Runner
12-12-2001, 10:03 PM
Only one thing works on moles that is guaranteed to work. NOTHING you buy in stores is effective enough for a multiple problem.

MATTHEW
12-12-2001, 10:06 PM
The thing about these mole trails is that what you are seeing is the tip of the iceberg. The network runs deep and far. You can trap and poison moles, but the connecting paths are still intact and other moles will eventually follow them and resurface. You need to have a long term plan including poison, traps, and repellants. And for goodness sakes, don't guarantee ANYTHING.

fshrdan
12-12-2001, 10:14 PM
Sweeney's poison peanuts... hmm... sounds yummy. Do moles prefer these in lightly salted or honey roasted flavors??? I'll have to pass unfortunately. Cute little black lab pup in yard now. I'll check them out for later though.

Runner, yeah I know what you're saying, but I can't do it, and I know the squimish old lady of the house won't do it. Maybe I'll tell her to hire an exterminating co.

Runner
12-12-2001, 11:01 PM
That's what I was getting at. Only exterminating companies (and VERY few lawn companies) can do this. Because of the licensing, and liability involved, it is very expensive. It takes a fumigant certification. The stuff thst is used, is a RUP. That is a restricted use pestide. VERY controlled. and VERY regulated. It takes a special permit to purchase this product. It takes a special permit to transport this product, It takes a spaecial permit to STORE this product, and of course one to USE it. You are inspected once a month by the state, and they check your facility. They check your inventory, and paper on it and it BETTER be all accounted for! It must be kept not only in IT'S container, but be also kept in a secondary container, and that is to be kept in what is called a dry cabinet. What a dry cabinet is, is a special cabinet that is used like in laboratories and chemical labs. The use of this service is a bit pricey, (usually around $125 to $200 bucks for the visit, but is guaranteed effective. They have a seasonal contract for around 2 something. A small bottle of this sells for around $200. If you have a puppy around, your best bet would be to just get you insectide down, and spray your entire prop. with a castoroil mix. It's temporary, but it works. Incidentally, for your customers knowledge, the castoroil is completely non-toxic and harmless. Even to pets.

LAWNGODFATHER
12-12-2001, 11:12 PM
Cheap bubble gum, put it in the tunnles and they will eat it, but they can't digest it.

Or flood them out with water

Mr.Ziffel
12-12-2001, 11:30 PM
You guys are funny:D There is more folklore, stories, myths and just plain fantasy and fiction about moles than you can shake a stick at...and most of it has been repeated in this thread. I was able to find the following link that I had bookmarked:

http://www.agcom.purdue.edu/AgCom/Pubs/pdflinks/ADM-10.html

It links with Purdue University ag department and has mostly facts which I hope will help. There is also a fellow called the Moleman who has a web site which I can't find right now and he has good info.

Trapping is the only thing which is proven to work and it has a side benefit...a body to show for your efforts, if you're successful. I forgot to say that a good cat can work wonders, but as we have fifteen [at last count] of them running around between three different barns on my property and still have moles all around [but very, very few mice and no rats] I'd say that these cats aren't professional mole chasers and I'm going to have to sic my wife on those pesky moles again. She's very proud of her mole trapping record.

Good luck with whatever you try, just don't try what my step-dad's neighbor did when he stuck his cutting torch nozzle down the mole hole for five minutes and then struck his sparker:angel:

Will M.

scottt
12-12-2001, 11:46 PM
The poison peanuts will not work on moles. Moles are insectivores, so they won't eat nuts, tubers, bulbs etc. Are you sure it is moles? It could be gophers or voles. Probably not voles though because of the time of year. They will be going deeper now. If you aren't sure exactly what it is, traps are the best thing to use. Read the directions carefully and make sure you secure it with a stake:D If you don't and you get one, it will run down its tunnel with the trap attached.

2 man crew
12-13-2001, 02:12 AM
Mr. Ziffil !
lmao :laugh:

conepile
12-13-2001, 06:32 AM
Hire a trapper to get the mole(s). He has the traps, the time, and the patience to get moles. There are some truly nasty traps available, and nothing beats a mole in a body bag!:D

There is another method.

There is nothing more aggravating then twisting an ankle in a mole trail IN YOUR OWN YARD.:angry: When cheap traps don't work, and the little basta*# keeps taunting you, year after year, there is only one thing to do: shoot the rodent. There are many constraints in doing this, such as you can't be in the city limits, nobody can be around, and especially you have to see actual mole activity. Of course, if you see actual movement , you can get a pitchfork and skewer the mole, but when you are feeling like Carl (Caddyshack), 130 grain jacketed lead is much more gratifying.

Everyone has mole stories and how to best get rid of them. I'm four for four now, and in every instance I saw movement between 11 am and 1 pm. I never did outside of those times.

I used grub control every year (Merit or Grubex, and other years total insecticide like Diazinon or Spectricide).
Perhaps I'm a bit emotional about moles?:confused:

fshrdan
12-13-2001, 08:33 AM
Runner, I thought you were talking about trapping, but now that you mention it, I remember the pesticide from another thread.

Ziffil, thanks for the purdue link. I already had it, it's pretty informative. I know trapping is the only sure-fire way, but I was wanting feedback from people that have had experience with mole-med, and have an MSDS for it. Although the torch trick sounds enlightening... I know just the guy for the job. ;)

plymouthvaliant73
12-13-2001, 09:34 AM
I have customers that use mole-med. It works.

Trapping is illegal in MA due to a citizens petitions passed statewide by voters a few years ago. Most customers will not accept poisons on account of children and pets.

Jet boater
12-13-2001, 12:41 PM
Trapping is Illegal due to citizens petitions!!!!???? Holy Moley!!! These are Moles. They aren't Bengal Tigers. MA needs to get a clue.

Anyway, I would like to hear more reports about MoleMed as well. Thinking about trying some and I don't want to waste my money. I think it's $15 - 20 a bottle.

plymouthvaliant73
12-13-2001, 01:00 PM
Yeah, well, you know, this is The People's Republic Of Massachusetts :D

Alot of urbanites just don't understand about wildlife management. They banned everything; coons, mink, beaver, all of it. Just this year the legislature passed an exception for beaver because of the overpopulation flooding roads and backyards.

You won't waste your money with mole-med. It works. If the properpty is isolated from the native population one treatment might do it. Recurring infestations require monthly applications when the ground is not frozen. Remember that the damage is hugely disproportional to the numbers. Often it is just one pair doing all the tunneling. Also populations run in 7-11 year cycles so you may just be on the peak side of a cycle that will eventually move down again. Treatment for grubs helps but a healthy soil will have lots of worms and other critters for them to eat.

Mr.Ziffel
12-14-2001, 12:08 AM
That's why there's no MSDS on it, it's not really even a chemical. A few years ago I was going to do something with MoleMed and researched it and found this out--just read the label, as I recall it's a pretty weak concentration.

What I did was research on the internet and found a couple of soap making chemical web sites and they had gallons of Castor Oil for far less than a quart of MoleMed. Check it out. There are also several other brands of mole repellent I looked at and they also were a Castor Oil and water mix. Buy direct, mix your own and save.

BTW, here in the emerald state of Washington, otherwise known as the People's Socialist Republic, the enlightened citizens a few years ago also voted to outlaw trapping. My response is 'let 'em come and arrest me' for trapping moles--we'll see who looks like an idiot then.

The reason I didn't go with the castor oil is that as I researched it I realized that our constant downpouring rain would dilute it so much it would never get a chance to scare the little critters off. Oh well, I've still got my mole-trappin' mama to do the job!! And she loves it!!

Go get 'em!
Will M.

Runner
12-14-2001, 03:31 PM
That is so cool. This castor oil idea, I've been in favor of for a long time, since it is harmless. It is basically a bit closer related to IPM, if you ask me. Would you happen to know some of the links that you had, that had this availabilty in bulk? Thanks.

plymouthvaliant73
12-14-2001, 05:05 PM
I wouldn't assume that the rain will dilute the castor oil, Seattle receives less annual rainfall than Boston. The mole med is used successfully on a customer's lawn irrigated 3x/week and ~50% more rain than Seattle.

:laugh: If you really want to save money, fermented urine works quite well.

For bulk castor oil and recipes, http://www.baar.com/moles.htm