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scagman
12-16-2001, 06:29 PM
I have a 32 scag gear drive I would like to put sulky on it but like most gear drives it doesent have much of a reverse I see alot of people with them on their gear drive mowers but i just cant see how it would work well if there is a technique please let me know it will save me alot of walking

edward hedrick
12-16-2001, 07:02 PM
I solvd that by changing the pistol grip to a Toro T bar. I had a 48
Scag w12 Kawi put T bar on it used a Locke sulky, later bought a
52 Lesco w 17 kawi with T bar shift to reverse and engage. no
problem Would go backwards. This was my rider till I bought a Scag STHM rider. I use the sulky as a back rider if Scag is down.
Cost of the T bar $ 250.

Runner
12-16-2001, 07:09 PM
If it's gear drive, just make sure you get the swiveling type that pivots, not the solid mount that just has the pivoting wheels. The pivoting ones pull alot easier for the machine, especially when cornering. With the solid mounts, the machine has to swing your weight around, and with only one side pulling (turning) this drags the machine down considerably. This time really adds up over a day. The pivoting ones move alot easier. Not as easy for backing up, but with gear drive, you're probably jumping off the sulky to back up anyway. I would just sort of kick mine a bit, keeping it straight while pulling the machine back. The main thing, is that you're not going to be doing a whole lot of backing up, anyway. With a hydro, it has more direct pulling power, AND it has a strong reverse, so the solid mount is better suited for this application.

SCAPEASAURUSREX
12-17-2001, 05:25 PM
I run a pro slide on my 36" wb and my 48" wb, both are belt drive.. Dont like hydros personally... The PRO SLIDE enable s you to get off , just step off the slide and the unit retracts ,, byitself... And you can easily go in reverse... Regular sulkies you have to get off and then lift it up and hook on with chain or try to do it with out doing that and bash up your shins or what not...

Look into a proslide.... ( I should get commision from them LOL )

www.novae.com

SCAPEASAURUSREX
12-17-2001, 05:50 PM
Sorry guys. thats the wrong link it's

www.novaecorp.com

Esby
12-17-2001, 08:11 PM
Look into a one wheeled velky, made by Velky. Thats what I have on my Exmark Metro HP 48". It works great. I must tell you that I haven't put my walkbehind into reverse in over a year. Just use the slope of the land and give a little pull on the inside wheel to get it to reverse when turning. The one wheeled designed swivels underneith so you dont back it into yourself. Works great for us, but I deffinately prefer the Lazer Z:D

No Sweat L/C
12-17-2001, 10:27 PM
Be careful the trans. on most belt drives aren't designed for pulling a sulky. My 36" Kees wears out the chain much faster with a sulky on it. Also be careful on going downhill on a sulky, most mower brakes won't stop you sitting on a sulky. I have had a few close calls on hills and ditches. Most belt drive mowers are really scary on hills. At least to me, 98% of my mowing is on flat yards

mowahman
12-17-2001, 11:15 PM
Go out and get yourself a one wheeled sulky, mount it up so that it is as level as you can get it, and mow away. We run 5 WB's (John Deere, Bobcat, and Exmark) all with gear drive, and have had sulkies on them for over 5 years with absolutley NO problems at all. Why is everyone so worried about backing up???? Our mowers only make $$ and cut grass going forward..we plan out our stripes, making dips into tight areas as part of the end of the stripe. As for unloading off the trailer, just get on it, back off slowly using the brakes to steer. You will get the hang of this in a days time...usually the lawn just after running the mower up onto the sulky as the customer is watching you unload !!

Richard Martin
12-18-2001, 06:13 AM
No Sweat L/C wrote:
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My 36" Kees wears out the chain much faster with a sulky on it.
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Most modern walkbehinds don't have a chain.

SCAPEASAURUSREX wrote:
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Regular sulkies you have to get off and then lift it up and hook on with chain or try to do it with out doing that and bash up your shins or what not...
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One of the rules here at Lawnsite is you're not allowed to bash something unless you've at least tried it. Single wheeled sulkies have a joint in the middle of the arm so the sulky swings neatly under the arm when backing up. It takes no more effort to back up with a single wheeled sulky than it does with a Proslide.

SCAPEASAURUSREX
12-18-2001, 08:40 AM
Rich, Maybe so with a single wheel sulkie, but not so with the dual wheel, also .. what happens when you turn?? The single wheel jackknifes with the mower and you on it.. Not my idea of fun... Also I have tried them >>>> just don't use em.. cause of what I have already stated..

Richard Martin
12-18-2001, 09:53 AM
Chris,

I have used a single wheeled sulky (a Velke to be specific) for several years now and have never had a problem injuring any parts of my body. I never have understood this concept of "jackknifing" a single wheeled sulky. I can lock either back wheel up on my machine and just do doughnuts all day long and never have to get off of the sulky. I guess if your spine and hips are fused together than you may have a problem.

My applogies to you for thinking that have never used a single wheeled sulky but you did sound just like a Proslide salesman.

By the way, how does that Proslide do on asphalt, concrete or gravel driveways?

lawrence stone
12-18-2001, 10:30 AM
Mr. Martin the proslide is just the ticket for North NJ. Because many of the lawns are so small it's easier to walk. Since the slide retracts up and out of the way it is perfect for his application.

Because I cover a lot of ground on my machines a heavy-duty 2-wheel model fits my particular application.

PaulJ
12-18-2001, 11:55 AM
I have used 2wheel velke and jungle wheels (2wheel). The velke will spin around completly under the connecting arm wheels platfor and all because the wheels are smaller . The Jungle wheels with the larger wheels hits the connecting arm so backing is alot trickier . I only back when getting of the trailer or in a tight spot. Wish I had the velke back:( , no, I wish I had a hydro with a bull rider.:D

scagman
12-18-2001, 01:56 PM
What the heck is a proslide Ive never heard of one in my area is it like a sled or something

Scraper
12-18-2001, 02:43 PM
If you read the responses to you, you would have seen the website where to look into them. I give them a thumbs up over wheeled sulky's. (Yes Mr. Martin, I have used both and the slide runs fine over gravel, concrete and asphalt as long as you don't make a habit out of it. The walking time is good exercise anyways. ;))

MRPLOW
12-18-2001, 03:47 PM
I have a two wheel velke and it pivots right underneath for backing up so I don't know what your talking about. The only way you could jack knife on it would be going in reverse, but since its on a belt drive the only way its going to be going in reverse is by pulling it with your body and that would be imposible to do while standing on the machine. By the way how does your proslide do in reverse? Also one of the main reasons I use the velke is to zip along in fifth gear when transporting the machine to other yards or back to the trailer, but your saying it doesn't do well on concrete?

Scraper
12-18-2001, 04:31 PM
Concrete wears out the slide as it is made of 1/2" plastic. You can't reverse on it, but all you do is step off and it retracts itself up under the handles as you reverse. As for the wear, my trailer is usually parked right near the edge of driveway so I have no more than 20' on pavement to ride on. As for going from lawn to lawn, I usually finish one then drive up to the next if they are not within two houses from one another as I do not like leaving my stuff where I can keep a somewhat watchful eye on it if you know what I mean.

LAWNGODFATHER
12-19-2001, 01:12 AM
After over 10 years of running 1 and 2 wheeled velkes, I and no one has ever got hurt or jack kniffed a velke. The only way you jack knife a velke is if you DON"T step off of it in reverse.

Jungle wheels have a stop built in it.

Velke X1 will spin all the way around, but I don't recomend it. You don't want to run it in reverse while the Velke is under the pull arm.

Velke X2 will spin all the way around, but I don't recomend it. You don't want to run it in reverse while the Velke is under the pull arm.

Pro Slide I didn't like at all.

There are other brands that you can use in reverse, but I'm set with the Velke X2.

You will learn how to back up on a Velke in one day, or any other kind.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23057

Eng Mwr Guy
12-19-2001, 10:50 PM
For what it is worth......and yes both my field testers and my engineers have used all of the ones mentioned.

Most people reported no problems once in the field with any of the above. The field testers hated the Proslide because they were not well trained on using sulkies or Walk-behinds....shame on me I guess.....but, this may be representative of a large number of your employees who are not all that computer literate or interested in self-improvement.

The Proslide scared the hell out of several testers......they would rather use a 2-wheel sulky.

The 2-wheel Wright manufactured Velke was the best of the articulating style sulkies we tried.

On the other hand, my back and knees and ankles didn't hurt after a half day of cutting with the Proslide. If all I did was cut grass and never ran it over concrete or gravel or onto a trailer I would use a Proslide all day long.

For me, I pop wheelies with the Proslide....then again, since I am extremely circumferentially challanged (aka fat) this isn't a big surprise. The problem was much less pronounced with the Wright manufactured sulkies.

my .02

Barry
Gravely Guy

edward hedrick
12-21-2001, 09:23 PM
If you have a hydro Lesco makes a fine sulky . the best one
similiar to the Bull rider

thfireman
03-01-2002, 09:47 AM
Can anyone give me an idea of how much a Pro Slide costs. I cant find a dealers site that has a price. I just want to compare. The only thing is that I dont want to get off this thing every time I cross pavement or gravel and etc. Looks like it would wear the slide plate out too fast.

Any feed back appreciated!:confused:

BRIAN FOLEY
03-01-2002, 10:25 AM
Try the toro tru trak