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JohnnyRoyale
05-28-2008, 11:03 PM
We just picked up a tender for watering 1100 city owned trees on roadsides 10 times in total per season between the months of June to October. It is a 3 year deal, and they are suggesting we supply a minimum of a two man crew and a minimum of 500 gal tank on a truck. They want the trees watered every two weeks, approx 8 gals per tree. I'm thinking of supplying a 1200 Gal water tank (which I have), mounted on s/a dump with removable sides (which sits most of the time in the summer anyways), and two guys. It would probably take the two guys a full two weeks (200 man hours) to complete one watering. Wages up here are around 18.00 per hour for the driver, and 15.00 for the assistant. They are looking for unit pricing per tree per watering. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with these types of contracts, and what kind of pricing you would submit.

MountainMan
06-01-2008, 09:55 AM
figure out how long it takes you to water one tree, like 5 minutes then just figure that into a cost. if the trees are close you dont really have to figure travel time but if they are far way add a minute or two to each tree.

gobbles2700
06-01-2008, 03:14 PM
What does it cost to run that truck? Where/ what is your water source? How long will it take to fill the tank? I think a tankful will make it the day. Your 200hrs implies minimal travel, I'd say yards between trees. Your going to have overtime.

Assuming water is free, running a 10 wheeler, and with a very low profit (normal with municipal) I came up with 18.75 per tree per watering. I would be careful though with fuel as crazy as it is I would probably add $0.50+ per tree. Doing this you should make great money the first year, make a slight profit the second, and lose a little the third. If fuel prices stabilize you'll make a good return all three.

Basically just figure out your costs to run the crew for the two weeks its going to take to complete a round of watering, remembering the overtime and divide by the 1100 trees.


I used your labor rates but I used fuel at $5 and a truck cost of $45, this plus my labor burden, overhead, and profit results in the 18.75.

P.Services
06-01-2008, 03:22 PM
8 gal isnt very much every other week, i would look into gator bags or something like them so you can just blast the bag full and be gone not wait for the water to trickle down.

LTL
06-01-2008, 07:34 PM
We have a watering contract like you have for trees. We charge $150 an hour. This time starts when we leave the shop and includes all fill-ups.

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 12:42 AM
figure out how long it takes you to water one tree, like 5 minutes then just figure that into a cost. if the trees are close you dont really have to figure travel time but if they are far way add a minute or two to each tree.

I figured that much, thanks

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 12:45 AM
[QUOTE=Picasso Services;2351315]8 gal isnt very much every other week, i would look into gator bags or something like them so you can just blast the bag full and be gone not wait for the water to trickle down

Ideal, but not my trees to tell them what to do. They're doing a pilot project with ooze tubes on 25 trees, as a part of this contract. So maybe next year they'll change it to filling of ooze tubes. Who knows.

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 12:47 AM
We have a watering contract like you have for trees. We charge $150 an hour. This time starts when we leave the shop and includes all fill-ups.

Sounds sweet. Assuming 1 truck and 2 guys, right?

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 01:03 AM
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What does it cost to run that truck? Fuel/Repairs and Maintenance. Truck has been paid for since we bought it, used mainly in the winter, rarely used summer long-truck is 100% costed to winter work. Where/ what is your water source? Across the street from my shop-$2 will fill er up. How long will it take to fill the tank? 5 minutes I think a tankful will make it the day. I think so too.Your 200hrs implies minimal travel, I'd say yards between trees. Your going to have overtime.Not unless I rotate my guys



Assuming water is free, running a 10 wheeler, ](Too big of a truck for this gig as theres off roading (parks) involved[/COLOR])and with a very low profit (normal with municipal) I came up with 18.75 per tree per watering. I would be careful though with fuel as crazy as it is I would probably add $0.50+ per tree. Doing this you should make great money the first year, make a slight profit the second, and lose a little the third. If fuel prices stabilize you'll make a good return all three. Although impossible to forecast future fuel prices, they index your pricing based on fueland allow for increases accordingly.I'm not particularily intrested in committing to anything that will cost me money when the purpose is to make it
Basically just figure out your costs to run the crew for the two weeks its going to take to complete a round of watering, remembering the overtime and divide by the 1100 trees.10-4

I used your labor rates but I used fuel at $5 and a truck cost of $45, this plus my labor burden, overhead, and profit results in the 18.75.

Thanks for your input.

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 01:04 AM
Some valid points to consider here-thanks all for your input.

gobbles2700
06-02-2008, 08:41 AM
So the Canadians treat their contractors much better than municipalities do here state side. Three of the four contracts i submitted this year had to be a fixed price per year for three or four years, the fourth allowed a yearly increase by the consumer price index(it was state).

Didn't think about rotating the guys on the crew to keep hours down, that will lower costs by about $.30 a tree. Good luck sounds like a good contract for a nice municipality.

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 09:16 AM
It wont keep the hours down, but keep the overtime down. Thanks for your input. I'm just working out the final numbers. Just found out the city here has a fair wage policy you must abide to to keep (unionized and open shops) wages fair. For an open shop, these will be my highest paid employees, Driver:$ 31.45, and Labourer:$28.45. This changes everything.

gobbles2700
06-02-2008, 03:24 PM
Ah, the state contract I talked about earlier had the same thing. It called for entry level mower operators to be paid $14.50! It drives costs through the roof. What are you using for a truck to tote around 5 ton of water?

JohnnyRoyale
06-02-2008, 04:28 PM
I have a S/A GMC Topkick 8500 with an aluminum dump body. It has removable sides and gate, so I'll pop them off and put the tank on.

LTL
06-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Sounds sweet. Assuming 1 truck and 2 guys, right?

Actually, all of our trees are in a line on the perimeter of a shopping center. There are 170 that are planted about 15-20' trunk to trunk. We have spliced our hose to water 4 trees at a time so 1 man can do it. How close are all of the trees?