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Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 01:40 PM
WM SL & WM valves. Checked hi-fi wire connectors, checked splice box,
removed field wires, ohm meter showed 33 ohms, fired valve from Progressive, worked, ran 24 volts from clock, cleaned field wires, installed
new King blues, fired-up, worked. Deduced bad zone wire connection, though
it still could be a bad coil, as they sometimes don't short until they heat-up.
Did notice SL automatically removed "Short" from the display. Will check
tomorrow after zone has it's normal run.

k911lowe
06-04-2008, 01:42 PM
could be a short in the solenoid or the wiring. any new digging around?

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 01:51 PM
could be a short in the solenoid or the wiring. any new digging around?

Given the track record (not) of WM solenoids, I still suspect it. I always ask
the digging question before tearing in. But once I re-wired it, all was well,
so far.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-04-2008, 01:53 PM
How does a bad zone wire splice lead to a short? Seems you would get an open read.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 01:56 PM
Does the SL show "open"? If it does, I've still got a solenoid heating up.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-04-2008, 01:58 PM
Does the SL show "open"? If it does, I've still got a solenoid heating up.
Yes it will give an open read. You should try the output test and see the Ma reading.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 02:02 PM
Yes it will give an open read. You should try the output test and see the Ma reading.

I just looked in the book (which I had not before) & you are right. Being this
is my first SL experience, I'd forgotten about it's diagnostic section.:hammerhead:

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 02:08 PM
Now you got me curious, Peter, I'm going back to the site & learn the SL. Plus,
there's a cool restaurant close by. Will let you know.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-04-2008, 02:11 PM
There theory behind the door and the 24vac being disconnected is that there is no reason to ever open an SL after hookup. All diagnostics and valve locating (ping feature) can be done in the panel. I don't agree but whatever.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 04:26 PM
Does the SL show "open"? If it does, I've still got a solenoid heating up.

Put a on a manual zone run, fired, after about three minutes, it shorted,
though the ohms were right when it was cold. Thanks, WM :hammerhead:

lehrjetmx
06-04-2008, 04:37 PM
We had a call yesterday almost the same. Irritrol clock showed short station 2. Attached to a Weather Matic valve same one in the picture. We troubleshoot down to a bad solenoid on the weather matic valve. The only thing is that we had to order the solenoid and got a round one in instead of the square one is there ant difference? Thanks again.

Wet_Boots
06-04-2008, 04:39 PM
W*M water saving solenoids! A product whose time has arrived.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 04:43 PM
The only thing is that we had to order the solenoid and got a round one in instead of the square one is there ant difference? Thanks again.

The round one is version # four or five, I've lost count. This is advertised
as "marine grade", whatever that means. You have the latest
version, cross your fingers.:dizzy:

Wet_Boots
06-04-2008, 04:53 PM
Now that they're round, maybe they'll rename them all to S24B - that'll fix it! :)

WalkGood
06-04-2008, 05:05 PM
The round one is version # four or five, I've lost count. This is advertised
as "marine grade", whatever that means. You have the latest
version, cross your fingers.:dizzy:


"Marine grade" ???? ........ um,,,,,, aren't they all subject to water? Or are these rated for salt water applications like for "sea grass" watering? :rolleyes:;)

Oh I understand.... "MARINE" - jarhead - for jartop valves? :dizzy:

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 05:11 PM
Or are these rated for salt water applications like for "sea grass" watering?

We have some pretty high tides, maybe you're right. ;)
Another feature is they are heat resistant to 400 degrees, important to volcano irrigation.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-04-2008, 06:48 PM
We had a call yesterday almost the same. Irritrol clock showed short station 2. Attached to a Weather Matic valve same one in the picture. We troubleshoot down to a bad solenoid on the weather matic valve. The only thing is that we had to order the solenoid and got a round one in instead of the square one is there ant difference? Thanks again.

ALWAYS GET THE ROUND ONE. Most old irrigators in Dallas have not switched to the square pieces of junk. I save older round WM solenoids to use in WM repairs. A 20 year old round brass thread WM solenoid is a better risk than that nylon square POS.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 06:56 PM
[QUOTE=FIMCO-MEISTER;235675 A 20 year old round brass thread WM solenoid is a better risk than that nylon square POS.[/QUOTE]

Yep, & the square ones drive service techs (even me) up the wall.

Wet_Boots
06-04-2008, 07:01 PM
I never had a problem with any of the W*M solenoids, but my repair stock was bought a long time ago, in another century.

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 07:26 PM
I never had a problem with any of the W*M solenoids, but my repair stock was bought a long time ago, in another century.

Oh, you mean these days?

Wet_Boots
06-04-2008, 07:49 PM
Ahhh, the venerable 33. Now there was a sprinkler head.

EagleLandscape
06-04-2008, 10:03 PM
The valve doesnt work cause the box is too high. :)

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 10:35 PM
The valve doesnt work cause the box is too high. :)

Waiting for topsoil & mulch, Mr. smart a.s.

EagleLandscape
06-04-2008, 11:15 PM
:-D

Back to work again are we?

Mike Leary
06-04-2008, 11:21 PM
:-D

Back to work again are we?

I'd sooner have all boxes that high, never miss them when servicing.

EagleLandscape
06-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Or run them over with a sod cutter...?

Kiril
06-05-2008, 01:51 AM
ML, does code allow your supply line to be that close to the surface? Seems mighty shallow to me.

Waterit
06-05-2008, 10:21 AM
I just looked in the book (which I had not before) & you are right. Being this is my first SL experience, I'd forgotten about it's diagnostic section.:hammerhead:

Now you got me curious, Peter, I'm going back to the site & learn the SL.

I love that SL! Output tests, valve locator (you must have really good hearing to pick up the valve chattering - but helps when wiring is a mess and control wire changes colors along the way). Dual voltage transformer, programmable delay per zone and master valve per zone, etc.

The only W-M product we use. Just wish they would build in a recharging circuit for the battery back-up:hammerhead:

DanaMac
06-05-2008, 10:29 AM
The only W-M product we use. Just wish they would build in a recharging circuit for the battery back-up:hammerhead:

What kind of battery does it use? I hate that the older RB ESPs had the rechargeable 9 volt. Too many people would replace it with an alkaline 9 volt and screw it all up. batteries would leak or blow.

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 10:30 AM
ML, does code allow your supply line to be that close to the surface? Seems mighty shallow to me.

My method, & what I teach, is to 90 up from the main (8/12") into the
manifold, then stub-out for future outside the vb, then dive back down
to the next manifold. Since we compressor-winterize, no prob.
I sure find service easier with the manifold nice & high. :)

DanaMac
06-05-2008, 10:32 AM
I sure find service easier with the manifold nice & high. :)

Might as well make them all above ground ASVs then. :) Easy to work on, ugly to look at.

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 10:33 AM
The only W-M product we use. Just wish they would build in a recharging circuit for the battery back-up:hammerhead:

thought it had non-volatile memory so no battery needed.

Waterit
06-05-2008, 10:33 AM
What kind of battery does it use? I hate that the older RB ESPs had the rechargeable 9 volt. Too many people would replace it with an alkaline 9 volt and screw it all up. batteries would leak or blow.

Plain old alkaline 9V. If you lose AC supply, battery drains down in a matter of a couple of days. It's like they never heard of lithium!

Kiril
06-05-2008, 12:10 PM
I sure find service easier with the manifold nice & high. :)

I happen to agree, however in my area, the supply side of the manifold is considered as part of the supply line and therefore falls within the code specification for constant pressure water pipes, which is 12" or deeper in these parts.

Why not use angle valves and keep your horizontal supply at the original depth?

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 03:51 PM
Why not use angle valves and keep your horizontal supply at the original depth?

If WM made them, I might, though I like manifolds at the surface in case of a
(perish the thought) leak. I did use those Toro angles with the weird
solenoid & was very happy with them, most lasted 20+ years.

EagleLandscape
06-05-2008, 05:31 PM
thought it had non-volatile memory so no battery needed.

It has a non-volatile memory, but when you take the faceplate away from the housing and walk around the yard to program things, you gotta get power from somewhere. Thus a battery.

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 05:53 PM
It has a non-volatile memory, but when you take the faceplate away from the housing and walk around the yard to program things, you gotta get power from somewhere. Thus a battery.

I'm going to pull the battery in mine, since I do zone charts that are plasticized
and mounted on the door. My attention span & memory still work (sorta).
Plus, I don't like looking at that icon, reminds me of FIMCO posting in blue
and red & large type. :::braces for onslaught:::

Waterit
06-05-2008, 07:13 PM
It has a non-volatile memory, but when you take the faceplate away from the housing and walk around the yard to program things, you gotta get power from somewhere. Thus a battery.

Battery also keeps time and date.

They are also supposedly coming out with a device that will allow you to detach the faceplate and walk around using it as a remote.

STILL - it could have a rechargeable in it.

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 07:30 PM
Battery also keeps time and date.
They are also supposedly coming out with a device that will allow you to detach the faceplate and walk around using it as a remote.

Au contraire, my young pup; the battery is needed ONLY for the famous
"walk-thru" posted earlier. The newer clocks need no battery for time/date.
The "remote" idea is in your dreams, WM will have a wireless remote soon,
but how could 9 volts fire 24? :hammerhead:

Waterit
06-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Au contraire, my young pup; the battery is needed ONLY for the famous "walk-thru" posted earlier. The newer clocks need no battery for time/date. The "remote" idea is in your dreams, WM will have a wireless remote soon, but how could 9 volts fire 24? :hammerhead:

Just repeating what our illustrious WM rep told me when he shilled the SL to us.

And what is this "young pup" crapola?!!! I turn 51 next week. I may ACT 14, but the creaky joints and scars tell a different story...

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:01 PM
WM rep told me when he shilled the SL to us.
And what is this "young pup" crapola?!!! I turn 51 next week.

I like "shilled", a lot like "hawked" or "shucked"; reps are all the same.
I'm 63, so I can call you a pup anytime I want , and will continue to do so
if you don't do your homework, sonny. :waving::drinkup:

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-05-2008, 08:03 PM
Mike Leary= the pot

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 08:05 PM
Just repeating what our illustrious WM rep told me when he shilled the SL to us.

And what is this "young pup" crapola?!!! I turn 51 next week. I may ACT 14, but the creaky joints and scars tell a different story...


sweet! what day?

I'll be 45 on friday the 13th

Waterit
06-05-2008, 08:06 PM
I like "shilled", a lot like "hawked" or "shucked"; reps are all the same.
I'm 63, so I can call you a pup anytime I want , and will continue to do so
if you don't do your homework, sonny. :waving::drinkup:

I will consider myself spanked, Pops:o

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:07 PM
Mike Leary= the pot

Uber pup speaks out of turn, go study velocity charts.

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 08:08 PM
I like "shilled", a lot like "hawked" or "shucked"; reps are all the same.
I'm 63, so I can call you a pup anytime I want , and will continue to do so
if you don't do your homework, sonny. :waving::drinkup:

Me thinks many Reps just make sh$t up as they're talking to you.

Waterit
06-05-2008, 08:10 PM
sweet! what day?

I'll be 45 on friday the 13th

The following day - FLAG DAY!:usflag:

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:12 PM
Me thinks many Reps just make sh$t up as they're talking to you.

The tip-off is when they say, "I used to be a contractor".

CAPT Stream Rotar
06-05-2008, 08:14 PM
Uber pup speaks out of turn, go study velocity charts.

go cuddle up with a few brass sprays plz thx

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 08:16 PM
The tip-off is when they say, "I used to be a contractor".

I think they were ALL contractors........along with the counter guys.

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 08:17 PM
go cuddle up with a few brass sprays plz thx

I need to buy some b series brass nozzles. Any good online sources?

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:20 PM
I need to buy some b series brass nozzles. Any good online sources?

ROTAR.jive.pluto

Wet_Boots
06-05-2008, 08:29 PM
I need to buy some b series brass nozzles. Any good online sources?One word - why?

Tom Tom
06-05-2008, 08:35 PM
One word - why?

Adding/moving some heads

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:36 PM
One word - why?

I thought he was kidding & referring to ROTAR's post. :dizzy:

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 08:40 PM
Adding/moving some heads

The existing is not working worth a rat's a..s cause the heads are not clearing.
Time to change-out to modern 6" gear drives. :hammerhead:

Wet_Boots
06-05-2008, 08:42 PM
Here's a question - before there were the now-standard Rainbird female-threaded nozzles, there were the WeatherMatic brass nozzles (and Imperial's, which I guess were copycats) ~ Now both of the nozzles are 5/8 female threads, but they differ by just a smidge. Today's nozzles are 5/8 x 28 (threads per inch), and the older brass nozzles are 5/8 x 27

Was that an accident? Or intentional? (and if intentional, for what purpose?)

irritation
06-05-2008, 08:45 PM
The existing is not working worth a rat's a..s cause the heads are not clearing.
Time to change-out to modern 6" gear drives. :hammerhead:

Toro 601's should be fine the way they scalp the lawn.

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 09:00 PM
Was that an accident? Or intentional? (and if intentional, for what purpose?)

Couple of thoughts: WM made in Texas, Imperial in Kansas, going toe-to-toe
in those days, wanted their stuff to only fit their stuff; it was common,
like auto parts, for nothing to inter-change: had to use their parts, hence
the thread variance. It was minor, we could use WM & Imperial without
any problems. I was pleased when the "universal" thread arrived, which
meant I could use WM brass w/RB 1800 series bodies. Best of the best.
I miss Imperial..little Mom & Pop high quality company.

Wet_Boots
06-05-2008, 09:07 PM
I maybe wasn't clear. Both Imperial and W*M used 5/8 x 27 for their brass nozzles. All interchangeable. It was Rainbird that created the 5/8 x 28 size for the 1800s.

Of course, Imperial also made some 5/8 x 18 "coarse thread" nozzles, like Buckner's, and they did the deluxe head that used the 3/4 x 27 male-thread 'wafer' nozzles like Champion used.

Mike Leary
06-05-2008, 11:14 PM
I maybe wasn't clear..

Quote of the year (so far), is awarded to...da da., guess who?

WalkGood
06-06-2008, 02:34 AM
but how could 9 volts fire 24? :hammerhead:


It's called an inverter.... inverts 9 volts dc to 24 volts ac. Couldn't really run a system on a single 9 volt battery but you could fire a solenoid for a short time testing.

lehrjetmx
06-06-2008, 08:23 AM
The round one is version # four or five, I've lost count. This is advertised
as "marine grade", whatever that means. You have the latest
version, cross your fingers.:dizzy:

Thanks go out to Mike, Wetboots, WalkGood and Fimco worked liked a charm!!!!