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thelawnguy
01-02-2002, 09:07 PM
They are already planning a re-styling...

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=06506557

odin
01-02-2002, 09:42 PM
Lawn guy ,in the short term anyway i think they were a hit because gmc-chevy togeather in full sized pickups outsold ford for the first time since 1994.
But that said the japs are getting into the frey more ,and the market is so competitive that you cant rest on your laurels.
Im not 100% on this but i think gm set a new todal light truck sales record for 2001.

cat320
01-03-2002, 01:27 PM
I say if theu start to make the front ends look like the new adavlench then i will start to look at ford and dodge!! And I have been a chevy guy all my life and so has my farther.I hope that they read these posts or get word of them the advalench is the uglest truck along with the aztec and its buick partner I would rather buy a used truck if that is all that is left.:mad: :mad:

odin
01-03-2002, 05:16 PM
CAT320
You are right about that aztec who ever came up with that design ought to be fired .Same at ford whoever came up with that tarus back in 96 that thing was ugley to.The avalanch is a love it or hate it thing, a lot of people are buying them around here.Local dealer here got in 10 and sold them in 2 weeks.
I myself think they are odd looking ,different strokes for different folks i guess

MATTHEW
01-03-2002, 07:58 PM
I'm not too thrilled with my '98. It looks nice and all, but its just so, well, square. The new ones finally topped Dodge. But I predict 2003 sales will flop with that Avalanche front end. Fords usually looked nice, but that new design in 1997 was a loser. The 1999 fords are real nice too, though others say they are ugly.

grasscutter
01-04-2002, 07:29 AM
have 2000 silverado nice looking truck. great power and good mileage for small v-8.. bought new and have had several quality control and design problems.
1. steering squeal-replace steering rack
2. underhood light no-op-replaced light(bad again)
3. spare tire not removable-install bracket
4. brakes stop working if you hit bump in road while stopping-
no fix dealer claims operator problems
5. poping in steering column when going over uneven areas and turning

mdb landscaping
01-04-2002, 01:50 PM
i am a big chevy fan, but i dont know what drugs they were smoking when they created the avalanche. as for a hit or flop, they were a big hit. yes chevy did outsell ford for the first time, but when you think about it, GM has outsold ford in trucks for a number of years, because you should include GMC. i personally have a 2500HD and absolutely love it. the duramax motor is wicked powerful. definately a hit.

odin
01-04-2002, 04:38 PM
MDB
1994 and the years before than gmc and chevy always outsold ford .And 1977 and before chevy always out sold them by itself.
In 1966 when i went to work for gm they had 54% of all cars sales and then a guy by the name of rodger smith in the 1980's damm near killed gm.
Anyone who worked for gm in the 80's detests this man as much as they do the japs.

XOFMOT
01-04-2002, 06:14 PM
I also own a 2000 Silverado 4x4 and am not all that happy about it. Looks great, but that is where it stops. many problems, weak suspension, thin paint and you name it. I've been a CHEVY man all my life, it may now be time for a change:(

odin
01-04-2002, 10:06 PM
I guess there are always some lemons, but ive been owning chevy gmc since 1964 and ive only got one bad one.
And it was great on the inside, the outside was the problem it rusted away from salt during those big winters here in chicago in 1977 78.

RMDoyon
01-05-2002, 08:44 AM
This article only mentions the 1/4 ton derivatives.
Hopefully they will do what Ford did when they redesigned the F150 and utilize a more conservative front end for the 1/2 and 1-ton chassis. Otherwise they will not see a dime from me.

Roger

thelandscaper27
01-08-2002, 07:52 PM
I my self perfer the older moldels. come on guys.
Remember the metal bodies and not these cheap A$$ plastic bodies????

Andy Miller
01-08-2002, 09:12 PM
I prefer the styling of the GMC over the Chevrolet. I hope the General has built in some more dependability. The comments from some indicate a continued durability problem for the Chevy.

danzig
01-20-2002, 11:15 PM
Well guys i have a few things to say. I have a love/hate relationship with gm. Gm makes good v8 engines. With a few mods i can make a 5.3 or 5.7 get mpg's up to 22. This is possible and i have done it. Gm trucks dont have a strong suspension. I will take a dodge or a ford over a gm anyday. Don't agree with me? Look underneath these trucks and you will see. The front end suspension of a gm is just a large version of a car suspension. Get any recalls on that dmax yet? Wait til those engines get hot. Aluminum heads on a cast iron block. Great for performance but on a diesel? Hmmmm i bet those head gaskets wont last 100k. Aluminum expands and contracts alot. Take that on a set of head gaskets and see what happens. Ya have to remember that gm doesnt always get it right but then again they like for us to buy a new one as often as possible. Guys a dodge or a ford seems to be built better and heavier but the gm looks better. I'm sure there will be a few posts for me to read after this. So i will have a box of kleenex for ya :D

bubble boy
01-21-2002, 09:17 PM
hey grasscutter-im wondering about a squeal in the steering of our 2000 silverado. seems to be worst when truck is cold, and occurs more when the truck is in a turn-not necessarily when im turning the wheel-but when im holding a curve. and is worse in tight turns.anyone know if i've got a steering rack prob? (i dont even know what that is)

i also have a burnt light under the hood in our 2000. and the light that illuminates the rear liscence plate popped out and now just hangs.

as for the spare tire, we had a recall of that here where you could get a part to solve the prob-anyone with a late model silverado should check if this is needed.

another question-anyone have a engine vibration over 70 MPH ? i was told that it is a prob in the torque converter of our 2002 silverado, that it needs a balance so the dealer added a weight (whatever all that means) but still happening. is the dealer wrong?

was going to go to dealer today for these probs but what do you know, it snowed!

funny thing is, i still love chev in spite of all these problems. but my patience is starting to wear.

grasscutter
01-22-2002, 05:36 AM
bubble boy

my steering squeal occured only after the power steering fluid had warmed up. the hotter the weather the quicker it happened. the squeal occured only when turning the wheel to the left and this was only when the wheel was actually being moved. it was called a squeal but sounded more like liquid going through a small opening under pressure.

my light never actually burned out . the ball or whatever in the switch that turns on the light would not move when i opened the hood therefor the light would not come on. the dealer repalced the light and six months later same problem. new fix is to hit the light when you open the hood. so for this works every time.

pottstim
01-22-2002, 10:20 PM
danzig,
You say that Ford and Dodge have stronger front suspension systems than GM trucks. Have you looked under the front of a new 2002 Ram or a 2002 F-150 or F-250 LD? Both of these brands of trucks use an A-arm/torsion bar independant front suspension just like GM trucks. Personally, i drive an '02 Silverado 1500 4x4, and one of our company trucks at work is a '98 F-150 4x4. I can't see any differences between the two trucks as far as what they can and can't handle. The truth is, no one builds a truck like they used to.

danzig
01-25-2002, 09:19 PM
Oooops. I wasnt specific enough. I was talking about 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I cannot speak for the 02 year trucks. I have an lco bis and i help out on our 600 acre farm. I tow a lot of weight in a year. My expirience with gm trucks has been that their suspensions cannot handle heavy hauling on a daily basis. My definition of heavy hauling is pulling a trailer or a load in the bed, weight in the bed can be up to 5000 lbs and trailer towing can be up to 15000 lbs. The front end of the gm trucks is weak. Tie rods, pittman arms. ball joints, etc. The gas engine is great. The rear suspension is pretty good. A gm truck doesnt set up as high as the other brands which seems a little odd. Had a buddy bring some hay over. 12 round bales at 1800 lbs each on a tandem dually gooseneck. Probably 23000 lbs or maybe more. Towin it with his 89 f-350 diesel. Ya dont see any 89 gm trucks still workin that hard in our area. A gm has a great ride and they look good but i dont prefer them for work. I have a 92 dodge diesel. She aint pretty but she is a mule so i think i will keep her till i save enough for a new one.

MountaineerTom
01-28-2002, 12:09 AM
I heard the new redisgn had the front looking like the Trailblazer, on the Silverado's. I used to have a link to an artist's rendition of it, but can't find it now. :( Still similar to the Avalanche though.