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KS_Grasscutter
06-15-2008, 02:59 PM
Ok, so I have my heart set on a 52" grasshopper. Of course the 223 would be the better choice, but I kinda still want a frontmount. Is the 723 enough for the 52" deck, with the grass catcher system? Or should I move up to a 727? The thing I am worried about, is the 723 may be underpowered, and I'd be stuck with it for like 5 years.

I have spent quite a bit of time on a 227/61, and it is border-line underpowered, which kinda makes me think the 27/52 would be a good match.

Lbilawncare
06-15-2008, 03:07 PM
23hp should be plenty on a 52" Deck, keep in mind that the hydro pumps are different sizes between those two machines also.

KS_Grasscutter
06-15-2008, 05:09 PM
23hp should be plenty on a 52" Deck, keep in mind that the hydro pumps are different sizes between those two machines also.

That is kinda what I was thinking, the smaller pumps will use less power.

Any other ideas? Does ANYONE on here run grasshoppers lol?

Mowingman
06-15-2008, 06:38 PM
The 27Hp might be better if you run the collector system all the time. If you only use the collector part of the time, I would probably go for the less expensive 23HP machine.
I have run the 23HP and the 27HP machines side by side for several years. I never see any real power difference unless I am in really overgrown grass. However, I do not use a collector system.
I think that 90% of the time you would be happy with the 23HP machine. That 23Hp Kohler is a real workhorse.

KS_Grasscutter
06-15-2008, 06:43 PM
The 27Hp might be better if you run the collector system all the time. If you only use the collector part of the time, I would probably go for the less expensive 23HP machine.
I have run the 23HP and the 27HP machines side by side for several years. I never see any real power difference unless I am in really overgrown grass. However, I do not use a collector system.
I think that 90% of the time you would be happy with the 23HP machine. That 23Hp Kohler is a real workhorse.

Ok, thanks. How would I get a demo in here from the factory to use for a day or so? I KNOW my local dealer won't do anything to set up a demo...tried that before.

Mowingman
06-15-2008, 07:29 PM
Ask your local dealer to call his Grasshopper factory rep. most of the factory reps have some models they keep on hand to do demos with. Of course, he may not have the exact model you want to see.
If that does not work, I would take a day and run over to the Grasshopper factory. Someone there can help you and can probably get you a factory tour if they are not too covered up or short handed.

KS_Grasscutter
06-15-2008, 07:37 PM
Ask your local dealer to call his Grasshopper factory rep. most of the factory reps have some models they keep on hand to do demos with. Of course, he may not have the exact model you want to see.
If that does not work, I would take a day and run over to the Grasshopper factory. Someone there can help you and can probably get you a factory tour if they are not too covered up or short handed.

Yea, the factory is only like 45 mins. from here. I guess tomorrow I will call up some of the other local dealers and see about getting a demo set up.

Turf Dawg
06-15-2008, 10:24 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with Jeff on this one. I have a 223/52 [bought it from him] and I will say it is under powered about 50% of the time for my use. I would go for the 27. I just bought a new machine and got a 31hp and love it. My Walker has a 20hp and now a year later I'm wishing I would have gone with more hp. I think from now on I will be going for the overkill on the hp so I do not regret it later.

KS_Grasscutter
06-15-2008, 10:30 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with Jeff on this one. I have a 223/52 [bought it from him] and I will say it is under powered about 50% of the time for my use. I would go for the 27. I just bought a new machine and got a 31hp and love it. My Walker has a 20hp and now a year later I'm wishing I would have gone with more hp. I think from now on I will be going for the overkill on the hp so I do not regret it later.

Well thats how that 227/61 is (underpowered about half the time). I am wondering though, if they arent ALL underpowered till you get to 30 or so, because as the HP gets bigger, so do the pumps...which I would assume use about as much power as the deck.

I am gonna call tomorrow to try and set up a demo on a 23/52 with a catcher, either a frontmount or a midmount, to see how it does.

mowerbrad
06-15-2008, 10:36 PM
I've got a 22hp engine on a 52" deck and run a collection system off of the deck. It has enough power were it won't bog down in taller grass but going up hills while collecting, it could use a little more power.

PLM-1
06-16-2008, 04:34 AM
Have you thought about the 721DT2? If I wasn't a power-wh0re I would be all over that machine with a 52" deck and collector.

pconley
06-16-2008, 09:56 AM
The new T Drive system is in-line direct, which reduces any drag from pulleys and belts. This leaves more HP for the Deck. This is available on 600 series, 723, 727 & 729 liquid cooled kubota

davidcentralflorida
06-16-2008, 10:06 AM
i have a 52 deck, and i opted for the 29 kubota l/c three cyl motor.
it runs easier
it runs cooler
does okay on gas
exected to outlast the mower

the 300 series is bigger hydro pumps so its stronger

like you say, your stuck with it for a while so i thought get the best. good luck, david

PLM-1
06-16-2008, 01:27 PM
The new T Drive system is in-line direct, which reduces any drag from pulleys and belts. This leaves more HP for the Deck. This is available on 600 series, 723, 727 & 729 liquid cooled kubota

ALL 600 and 700, including 722D, 721D.

Ford850
06-16-2008, 04:21 PM
New T Drive systms, but what is the difference in a T2 vs a T6?

PLM-1
06-16-2008, 07:40 PM
T2 is 12cc pumps. T6 is 16cc pumps

coachrgraves
07-23-2015, 08:39 PM
Ok, so I have my heart set on a 52" grasshopper. Of course the 223 would be the better choice, but I kinda still want a frontmount. Is the 723 enough for the 52" deck, with the grass catcher system? Or should I move up to a 727? The thing I am worried about, is the 723 may be underpowered, and I'd be stuck with it for like 5 years.

I have spent quite a bit of time on a 227/61, and it is border-line underpowered, which kinda makes me think the 27/52 would be a good match.


I think the front mount is a 600 series 623, with a regular carb. engine. It does have the T drive with 12cc parker pumps.The deck is shaft driven. My experience with the 23 hp Kohler command pro is in a 52" Mid Mount 223. I ran a bagger on this set up for about 700 hours. IMO, it is a bit underpowered in the Mid Mount mainly because of the mule drive and pulleys/belts involved. I recently upgraded to the 727K EFI, and I demo'ed the 623. Both units had the powerfold decks, 623 & 52" and 727 & 61". Both mowers were quite an upgrade from my old 223 Mid mount. Both handled and ran well, wheel motors were much more responsive and had near zero pump whine, which I had grown used to with the 223. In the end I opted for the slightly larger (4 Hp) that seemed much more powerful when I tested each of them. I really think the shaft drive and tandem pumps are much more efficient at getting engine power to the attachments than the old 223 system I had. I think the 623 w/52" deck would be perfect set up to mow and bag I was just ready for bigger heavier system and the EFI uses less gas and instant giddy up !!!!!! In short if I was gonna opt for the 52" deck I'd get the 623 and save bout 1,400.00 dollars. I have about 10 Hrs. on the new 727 EFI and couldn't be happier..........Kohler and Grasshopper is what i'll always run. Good Luck.......

coachrgraves
07-23-2015, 08:47 PM
Does anyone else have experience with the difference between the old 23hp/25hp Kohler engines and the 27hp/29hp EFI. ?

DieselDennis
07-23-2015, 10:47 PM
I ran a Grasshopper 720K with the 20 horse Kohler and a 52" deck for years. Put over 1000 hours on the setup. It was my first zero turn. I thought it was wonderful.

When that mower phased out, I stepped up to the 727 with the same 52" deck. It's wonderful-er. It takes thick grass about 6" tall to really bog the engine.

If you mow weekly, you'll be fine with the 23 horse. But who here ever said they had too much power?

KS_Grasscutter
07-25-2015, 10:27 PM
Since this post from way back when came back up I'll give a quick update. I went with a 223 52" with bagger. Between 08 and the beginning of this year I put 1450 hours on it. Early this spring the right side hydro went out so it sat behind the shop for a couple months until I could afford to get it fixed. In the mean time I also bought a brand new 5000 series Toro 52". I like the bagger on the toro a lot better (both twin bag units). However there are many things I still ptefrer the Grasshopper over the new Toro so I am not sure which way I will go on the next one.

For the last week we have been demoing a used 72" rear discharge 227 for our rough cut mowing. We decided it's too big for what we wanna do with it, and 27hp is no where near enough horsepower for 72" lol.
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bayfish
07-25-2015, 11:33 PM
23hp should be plenty on a 52" Deck, keep in mind that the hydro pumps are different sizes between those two machines also.

We have 3 223's with the 61" deck. 2 of them with 2800 hours on them. The 3rd one is a bagging mower. The Grasshopper bagging system is very good, but the pumps are a little weak with the counter weights on the front and the weight of a full hopper.