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Clint
01-03-2002, 11:18 PM
I was wondering what HP engine I should grab when getting my WB.

what HP will pull me around and turn blades w/o bogging on a 36" wb, belt, and what HP should i get if i got a 48"

Thanks
Clint

Shady Brook
01-03-2002, 11:28 PM
Well how big are ya? :D

Seriously, I have had, and do have 36's with 12.5 Kawaski's that pull me around on a velke just fine. They are plenty strong to pull you and turn the blades. Having said that, I would not hesitate to get the biggest engine I could for the machine. I would think 14 hp on a 48 as a minimum.

Jay

rodney
01-03-2002, 11:29 PM
12.5 works good for the 36" and pulled me (200lb) a round with jungle wheels , and it was a gear drive.

cant give you info on the 48" i never had one.

johnnywalker
01-03-2002, 11:57 PM
You need a 15 hp on a 36" to effectively run doubles on heavy leaves or turf.
I believe a 18 on the Wright Stander is the biggest hp currently avail. on a 36".

Mark
01-03-2002, 11:58 PM
16hp Briggs Vanguard has pulled me now with no problems for 9yrs at a top speed of 7.4mph. On a 36" id still go with a 15hp. To much power is better than to little. Marks Mowing Service ps mine are both 52s I called today to checkout a 36" exmark TT 4599.00 and my dealer won't budge on price also has the ECS contros.

65hoss
01-04-2002, 02:23 AM
My 36" has the 12.5 kawi. It has plenty of power and I run the exmark mulching kit on it. I never take it off. Put the sulky behind it sometimes also. If it was going to be my front line, primary mower I would get the 14 kawi. For a 48", a 14 hp minimum.

rodney
01-04-2002, 02:49 AM
johny walker
i had forgot to add that i used dbls blades .
the 12.5 done a very good job and left some nice stripes.
the 36" never glogged . i did have to go slow in very tall grass but those jobs should have been bush hogged.

Richard Martin
01-04-2002, 04:27 AM
If you get a 14 on a 36 and a 17 on a 48 you will have power to spare.

WREBELMACHINE
01-04-2002, 06:15 PM
Buy with the most power you can get! We have a 36" encore hydro and when the 14hp kawasaki finally died we converted it to a 25hp kohler with electric start. Why the 25? because the dealer had a deal that I could not refuse! This mower striped good before but now it really does a beautiful job!

ohiolawnguy
01-04-2002, 06:23 PM
25hp on a 36" mower!!!! what, do you race that thing at the local track too?-LOL seriously though i agree with richard 14hp for 36", and 17hp for a 48", but then again if you find a better price on a stronger engine so be it.

danzig
01-04-2002, 06:35 PM
My 36" encore belt drive has a 14 hp kaw. Pulls me just fine. I think any 48" should be 15 or 16 hp depending on the engine brand. Don't worry about the hp unless you cut some really tall grass. I had two way old 48" belt drive walk behinds that had 10 horse briggs ic engines(these were what the factory put on them at the time) and they pulled me and my sulky around easily. Buy the brand of mower that suits you the best :) .

LAWNGODFATHER
01-04-2002, 07:58 PM
The more power you can get the less chances of ever running into a situation of needing it.

I run Exmark TT's with 22,23hp and they get bogged down at times but they will fly through almost any condition.

That's from my experiance.

Also my 36" w 14hp Kaw can bog down bad at times.

KDJ
01-04-2002, 08:31 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
[B]The more power you can get the less chances of ever running into a situation of needing it.

I agree with the above statement.

When buying a new mower...... Lets say a 36" with a kaw 12 hp, for 150.00 more you could get a 14 hp why not. It seems to me like money well spent.

LAWNGODFATHER
01-04-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by danzig
Don't worry about the hp unless you cut some really tall grass.

We wouldn't have hundereds of threads, if this was true.

Tall grass, guess you never heard of True Green Chem Lawn.

Horse Power is always a factor in purchacing a mower. If it wasn't they wouldn't offer the options of high HP engines.

If there wasn't high hp engines on some mowers, they would be horrable.

LAWNGODFATHER
01-04-2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by ohiolawnguy
25hp on a 36" mower!!!! what, do you race that thing at the local track too?-LOL

If it has the same size pullies on as before, it will not make a differance on speed.

3600rpm's is 3600rpm's, doesn't matter the HP.

1 hp vrs. 25 hp the mower will still go the same speed.

LAWNGODFATHER
01-04-2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Mark
36" exmark TT 4599.00 and my dealer won't budge on price also has the ECS contros.

Wow, I pay $5,200 for Turf Tracer 52" 23hp Kohler no HP, which you forgot to mension that. The 36" only comes in the HP configuration.

lawrence stone
01-04-2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER


Wow, I pay $5,200 for Turf Tracer 52" 23hp Kohler no HP, which you forgot to mension that. The 36" only comes in the HP configuration.

I am not a big fan of the 52" eXmark for the deck is not offset enough to my tastes.

But I might be able to learn to live with a 60" with ECS.

A1 Lawn@Landscapes
01-04-2002, 11:08 PM
I have a John Deere 36" GS 30 13 hp Kohler with a 2 wheel sulkie. It pulls my 230 lbs just fine. 2 years no repairs. cuts well in high or wet grass.

LAWNGODFATHER
01-04-2002, 11:08 PM
Yeah that ECS seems to be controled similar to a Toro T-bar hydro.

PS I thought you were in Florida?

johnnywalker
01-04-2002, 11:24 PM
The twin 15hp Kaw will bog on the 36" TTHP with doubles in extremely thick leaves.

lawrence stone
01-05-2002, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
Yeah that ECS seems to be controled similar to a Toro T-bar hydro.

PS I thought you were in Florida?

With the snow in NC and SC I have delayed my depature.

In fact the temps have been warmer in PA than north FLA.

There is not one bit of snow on the ground in the "valley" and the temp is going to 37 today with wall to wall sunshine. That's not a bad day of January.

I plan on leaving on Tuesday if I have 48 hours of dry weather along I-95.

David Gretzmier
01-05-2002, 10:27 AM
I have read that a larger( 18+) , newer type engine, will burn less fuel under a light load ( let's say it needs 10 horse to do the job) than a smaller (12 horse) running near maximum laod ( 10 horse ) . an argument could be made, I suppose, that a larger twin type engine might last longer under the same average conditions, and would also provide you the occasional "overhead" room to do the nasty jobs.

DAve g

accuratelawn
01-05-2002, 12:03 PM
I have a 17 Kawaski on my 52 GD walkbehind. I pulls me (200lbs) just fine. You will have to slow a little in the real tall stuff.

ohiolawnguy
01-05-2002, 12:19 PM
If it has the same size pullies on as before, it will not make a differance on speed.
3600rpm's is 3600rpm's, doesn't matter the HP.
1 hp vrs. 25 hp the mower will still go the same speed

yeah i understand that lawngodfather. i was just being silly. :)

WREBELMACHINE
01-07-2002, 11:29 AM
The only time that it will make a difference in speed is when you are in some really tall thick grass, then the hp shows up!

yorkpaddy
01-08-2002, 03:10 PM
my 36 toro (belt) exmark deck, with a 12.5 kawi bogs down in tall grass and leaves with doubles, i haven't run it with singles in a year, so i don't remember.

whoever said 3600=3600 regardless of hp, is forgetting about torque, yeah a 1hp engine might spin the blades on a mower, but you put a load on it, and it will stall, think about it, your trimmer engine probably has just a little more than 1hp, and it probably revs to 9k, would you want that engine on your walkbehind?

TLS
01-08-2002, 04:40 PM
As far as Kawasaki engines for WB's go, the 12.5 is a flathead design, the 14hp on up are OHV design. That 12.5hp Kawi has a lot of power and torque for its rating (see below), this is due to the flathead design.

Here are the engines we were talking about. I have listed HP, Displacement (cc's), and torque (ft.lbs) at 3600RPM.

HP-----CC----TQ----TYPE-----------
12.5---460---18- Single Cyl. Flathead

14.0---423---20- Single Cyl. OHV

15.0---494---21- Twin Cyl. OHV

17.0---535---25- Single Cyl. OHV

17.0---494---25- Twin Cyl. OHV

*19.0--675---30- Twin Cyl. OHV

The 15 and 17 are the same block and size, just more HP and Torque.

The single cyl. 17 is rare today with the release of the twins.

*The 19 twin is in the same class as the 21,23,and 25hp models. This is the engine that should be offered on 48" and 52" hydro walks.

I have a 14 on my 48" SCAG, and it takes nothing to bog it down. Put doubles on it, and you better be in 1st or 2nd gear as it just boggs way down. The 48" belts should have the 17hp Twin. Save the 15hp twin for 36"ers.

Hope this helps.

plow kid
01-08-2002, 05:08 PM
17 on a 36 thats

summitgroundskeeping
01-08-2002, 05:35 PM
A 13hp. kaw. or 12.5 hp. kaw would work for the 36" just fine. A 14 hp. kaw is min. on a 48". I would not put any thing less than a 14hp on a 48" b/c that is what's on my GD hydro.
But hey, u can always put a 25hp FI motor on a 36" and cut some trees down.

WREBELMACHINE
01-17-2002, 06:02 PM
You are right it will cut trees.

jason2
01-17-2002, 06:46 PM
I have an old Bobcat 36 wb with a 18 hp B&S twin. It's a project that 's been on the backburner for a long time. Just pulled it out and started on it again. It will be ready this spring. I've bypassed the govenor so it should make more than 18 horses. Though I wonder how long it will take to throw a rod with it wound up. I am going to make a simple throttle stop to limit rpm. I bypassed the govenor simply because it was easier to hook up the throttle cable. Didn't want to get a custom made cable that would work with the Briggs and the bobcat thottle.

leeslawncare
01-17-2002, 08:22 PM
I'am with a-1 i got a 36 deere with jungle wheeles an they work great.

plow kid
01-17-2002, 09:10 PM
If I remember "For Sale" ads are not allowed in any forum unless it is the used equipment marketplace ~ NaTe

leeslawncare
01-17-2002, 09:30 PM
WHAT EVER...sorry don't cut my head off !!!

plow kid
01-17-2002, 09:36 PM
WHATY EVER>>>>>!



Go and read the posting guidelines~ NaTe

leeslawncare
01-17-2002, 09:40 PM
YA ..YA ..i said sorry plow kid . Let the sleeping dog Lay..I'am not gonna explain myself, my bad ok!

plow kid
01-17-2002, 09:45 PM
My apoligies, I typed that before I saw that you edited your post,.....once again sorry ~~ NaTe

MIDSOUTH
01-17-2002, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Mark
I called today to checkout a 36" exmark TT 4599.00 and my dealer won't budge on price also has the ECS contros.

Man thats high , I just bought a demo 48" tthp from my dealer for 3900.00 with ecs with 2hrs on it - it was going to be his demo mower but he only demoed it twice- myself and another guy I know. I was also quoted a price for 3950.00 on a new 36" tthp.

plow kid
01-17-2002, 11:34 PM
I guess that there is no such thing as too much power

Martino
01-18-2002, 12:14 AM
Edited


Please now. Let's not start singling out members and finding ways to make subtle digs against them. I'm not always going to be able to check every single post, but when I find a personal dig on someone, I will delete it.

Let's be nice. We still have a few months to go before spring.
Jodi

olabob
02-06-2002, 03:53 PM
15 HP Kohler on my 37" Toro Walk Behind