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londonrain
06-23-2008, 08:49 PM
Looks like Boots was in my area.....
http://webpages.charter.net/nixdiecast/boots1.jpg

Cracked fitting......
http://webpages.charter.net/nixdiecast/boots2.jpg


Wash out.....
http://webpages.charter.net/nixdiecast/boots3.jpg

This is the way a pro builds a manifold....
none of this crap of 6 or 7 valves in a single VB with zero pipe and all fittings...
Notice there is still room for a cut and a repair if a fittings does fail...
no stress on any of the fittings so the likely hood of a fitting failure is very minimal....
http://webpages.charter.net/nixdiecast/boots4.jpg

Dirty Water
06-23-2008, 08:56 PM
Good job on the rebuild, but why replace the irritrols? Those little valves are workhorses.

WalkGood
06-23-2008, 09:12 PM
Not worth the potential hassle to re-use old valves that are glued in.

londonrain
06-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Good job on the rebuild, but why replace the irritrols? Those little valves are workhorses.
I could not reuse the 2400s, not enough pipe left ..... I have had zero problem with PGVs.....
I have replaced quite a few 2400s with hairline cracks on the bodies...

EagleLandscape
06-23-2008, 09:15 PM
Was that valve on the top a master valve I would assume?

londonrain
06-23-2008, 09:18 PM
Was that valve on the top a master valve I would assume?
That is correct.....
ditto on not reusing valves.....

Wet_Boots
06-23-2008, 10:18 PM
Good job on the rebuild, but why replace the irritrols? Those little valves are workhorses.One more reason to use female-threaded valves. Looks like a crappy shallow valve box on the busted manifold.

londonrain
06-23-2008, 10:40 PM
One more reason to use female-threaded valves. Looks like a crappy shallow valve box on the busted manifold.Full size VB and the VB was not on any of the pipes.........they had it sitting on bricks....just a crappy manifold build...

londonrain
06-23-2008, 10:49 PM
There was more 90s and 45s coming out of this mess at all crazy angles...I believe it was stress from all the crazy angles and a tight build that caused the fitting failure... I rebuilt the main line in schedule 40 vs pr200 that the original installer used.....

ashs inc
06-23-2008, 10:58 PM
what valves did you use to replace the old ones? they look like hunter?

EagleLandscape
06-23-2008, 10:58 PM
so ya mean no funny pipe?

Wet_Boots
06-23-2008, 11:04 PM
I could not reuse the 2400s, not enough pipe left ..... I have had zero problem with PGVs.....
I have replaced quite a few 2400s with hairline cracks on the bodies...Man, you must have gremlins underground. I see cracked Richdel valve bodies, like never (obligatory "knock wood" :hammerhead:)

I wonder, is there clay-soil shifting going on?

Dirty Water
06-23-2008, 11:41 PM
Not worth the potential hassle to re-use old valves that are glued in.

Ah, I didn't notice they were slip valves. I have always used FPT valves, because I was a professional :)

Kiril
06-24-2008, 01:53 AM
Ah, I didn't notice they were slip valves. I have always used FPT valves, because I was a professional :)

Agreed. I like things I can take apart and replace with a minimum of losses.

AI Inc
06-24-2008, 05:12 AM
I was naver a fan of 2400t,s . They seam to be the least iron tolerant valve. They call this place the granite state and iron is a byproduct of granite.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-24-2008, 06:03 AM
I could not reuse the 2400s, not enough pipe left ..... I have had zero problem with PGVs.....
I have replaced quite a few 2400s with hairline cracks on the bodies...

Perfectly spaced for (7) 6" valve boxes.:) I'm in the category of those who has never replaced a 2400 due to a hairline crack. I've repaired many of the older white and black versions for various other reasons. In high pressure situations though I'd stay away from jar tops.

londonrain
06-24-2008, 06:43 AM
Ah, I didn't notice they were slip valves. I have always used FPT valves, because I was a professional :)
I use FPT valves 90% of the time on repairs and 100% on a new install. I looked at this job on Friday and was not sure how much space I had for piping since all I could see was fitting after fitting. As a Pro you know that a 1/8" or less of pipe can make a difference in if it will work or not, so I purchased the slip valves only because of the limited amount of space. I originally planned on going back with the same configuration but once uncovered there was no way I could.... That is why I leave enough pipe for a cut if needed.... I can only hope that if a valve body cracks then next contractor will cut in a MA and use a FPT valve..... :cool2:

ashs inc
06-24-2008, 11:10 AM
what kind of valves did you replace with?

AI Inc
06-24-2008, 03:55 PM
New England style , flame away.

Wet_Boots
06-24-2008, 04:06 PM
Bosquette(sp) tees? Or did Rainbird buy them out?

AI Inc
06-24-2008, 04:13 PM
Ill have to look , never actualy did.

Wet_Boots
06-24-2008, 04:17 PM
Saw 'em at a show once. King used to make one that seemed sized perfectly for Richdel valves.

AI Inc
06-24-2008, 04:18 PM
They make em as tee,s also , use those quite a bit too.

Waterit
06-24-2008, 07:04 PM
New England style , flame away.

If it wasn't for that odd valve, you could've used 2 6-inch VB's.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-24-2008, 07:44 PM
If it wasn't for that odd valve, you could've used 2 6-inch VB's.

Ditto....

But I think the 4" ADS with TORO caps would fit okay.

AI Inc
06-25-2008, 05:07 AM
If it wasn't for that odd valve, you could've used 2 6-inch VB's.

I could also put 6 -400lbs woman in a volkswagon too.

WalkGood
06-25-2008, 08:59 AM
New England style , flame away.
http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=112582&stc=1&d=1214337318



I cannot tell from the picture, but is there an added close nipple between the tee and the valves? Wouldn't they block a good chunk of flow to down the line?

AI Inc
06-25-2008, 03:14 PM
I cannot tell from the picture, but is there an added close nipple between the tee and the valves? Wouldn't they block a good chunk of flow to down the line?

no , the tee is threaded.