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cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 11:43 AM
I have purchased a Transformer from Unique 1120SSSL to replace my Hampton Bay el cheapo transformer, (thanks Joey for talking me into the purchase, the transformer is very well built and should serve me well until I upgrade my el cheapo lights).

Using what I have now (Malibu Metal Lights) I would like to illuminate my house and would like some input from some professionals. I understand my results may not be the best they could be using the lights I have but would still like to try my best while I absorb the cost of the transformer (Ouch). I am planning to change the landscape in the front left by removing the large privet hedges, butterfly bush and replacing them with a shorter slower growing Indian Hawthorne with some dwarf hollies in front of them. On either side of the garage I plan on adding 2 Italian cypress or those taller hollies (Name slips me).

The red ovals are the spots (4 of them) and the red dots are path lights (4 of them). As you can see this leaves the front porch very dark.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/cgaengineer/Lighting/DSC_2427copy.jpg

I would like to illuminate these maples but I am unsure if a tree light would be the correct way or up lighting from a ground spot/flood light.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/cgaengineer/Lighting/DSC_2434_sm.jpg

I appreciate everyones input, but don't be too hard on me! Don't mind the lawn, I was attacked by grubs this season and the grass is slowly recovering. With the county in a water ban situation I don't think there is much I can do to speed up the process.

Chris J
06-26-2008, 01:59 PM
I would also uplight that column in the center of the porch. The light hitting the ceiling will create a lamp-shade effect, and will softly illuminate the porch area. On the left of the home, I would put those uplights behind the bushes, about 8-10" from the wall, and let the light also hit the left column. With what you have, that's about the best advice I can provide.

cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 02:28 PM
I would also uplight that column in the center of the porch. The light hitting the ceiling will create a lamp-shade effect, and will softly illuminate the porch area. On the left of the home, I would put those uplights behind the bushes, about 8-10" from the wall, and let the light also hit the left column. With what you have, that's about the best advice I can provide.

I do have the spots behind the bushes at this time and I think it looks pretty good. The spot on the column is probably a good idea. Thanks for the ideas.

cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 02:32 PM
I would also uplight that column in the center of the porch. The light hitting the ceiling will create a lamp-shade effect, and will softly illuminate the porch area. On the left of the home, I would put those uplights behind the bushes, about 8-10" from the wall, and let the light also hit the left column. With what you have, that's about the best advice I can provide.

I didnt mean I wasnt going to buy more lights...if more lights are needed let me know what kind and where they should be placed. Would 2 more spots on each column be a good idea? What about the trees?

larryinalabama
06-26-2008, 03:00 PM
Nice house CGA. My 3 year old destroyed all my lights and I wont replace them till he gets older. He likes to play out in the yard so Im just happy to see him having fun, inother words it didnt po me.

Im no lighting expert, but about those Itailian Cypress.... They do not grow here in the South. They are really only good to about 20 degrees. They are actually rated to 10 degrees, but from experence the cold weather here keeps them from growing. I grew up in So California and they grow huge out there 60 to 70 feet. The biggest Ive seen here is mabey 15 feet, but they were straggley.

I recently purchased a eastern I think Ceder. Its cigar shaped like the Itialian Cypress and Im hoping it does well. The nursury had 11 of them and I was going to buy them all but Im a little tight on money for a experement.

Great looking house, hope you will post a night pic with the lights

cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 03:06 PM
Nice house CGA. My 3 year old destroyed all my lights and I wont replace them till he gets older. He likes to play out in the yard so Im just happy to see him having fun, inother words it didnt po me.

Im no lighting expert, but about those Itailian Cypress.... They do not grow here in the South. They are really only good to about 20 degrees. They are actually rated to 10 degrees, but from experence the cold weather here keeps them from growing. I grew up in So California and they grow huge out there 60 to 70 feet. The biggest Ive seen here is mabey 15 feet, but they were straggley.

I recently purchased a eastern I think Ceder. Its cigar shaped like the Itialian Cypress and Im hoping it does well. The nursury had 11 of them and I was going to buy them all but Im a little tight on money for a experement.

Great looking house, hope you will post a night pic with the lights

Kids can be a mess...mine is almost 14 and he is pretty good, but sometimes he does stuff that makes you ask why!!

Thanks Larry, it aint much but its mine! Much better than the apartment I was living in 4 years ago!

I was looking at a tall skinny holly but I cannot remember the name...and around here they plant those italian cypress all over the place? I was concerned that the italian cypress may get too big for the location so the holly would be a better option.

cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 03:49 PM
Green Tower Boxwood is what I was thinking about for each side of garage.

Chris J
06-26-2008, 04:32 PM
I would just let the light on the wall hit the column on the left. For the trees, you will need multiple lights to make it look good, at least 3 on each. The bed area for the left tree will provide enough room so that you can back the fixtures away from the tree to highlight the canopy. It would be nice if you could extend the bedding around the tree on the right in order to do the same thing. I would suggest one light at the base of the tree shooting straight up the trunk. Then, another 2 or 3 from outside the drip line to get the canopy. The effect will frame your house and create a nice portrait.

cgaengineer
06-26-2008, 08:58 PM
I would just let the light on the wall hit the column on the left. For the trees, you will need multiple lights to make it look good, at least 3 on each. The bed area for the left tree will provide enough room so that you can back the fixtures away from the tree to highlight the canopy. It would be nice if you could extend the bedding around the tree on the right in order to do the same thing. I would suggest one light at the base of the tree shooting straight up the trunk. Then, another 2 or 3 from outside the drip line to get the canopy. The effect will frame your house and create a nice portrait.

Chris,

Thanks for the advice. The tree on the right actually needs the bed moved out a bit anyway so this would be a good time to do this. The tree on left needs to be pruned but I didnt get to it last year so going to wait till fall, but I suppose it would still look decent to light it now. For trees do you suggest floods or spots?

I understand the light right near trunk pointed up, but wont the other 2 lights pointed at canopy drown out the light that is pointed up the trunk? Do the other 2 lights illuminate from the rear of the tree or the front as looking at picture?

Chris J
06-26-2008, 10:45 PM
The point of lighting the trunk is to visually connect the tree trunk to the ground. If you don't do this, the effect will be a tree canopy floating in thin air. I would use MR16 spots with a 35w VWFL lamp (60 degree). Unless you want the trees visible from inside the home, put the additional lights in front, and to the sides of the canopy. If you want it to be even more appealing from the front door or inside, use a couple more for the back side. I know it sounds rediculous to use 6 or 7 lights for one tree, but believe me the effect will be awsome. I have used as many as 20 lights for one tree, but they were big-uns, and some of them were actually up in the canopy cross lighting the branches and down lighting the ground cover. For the lights on the back side, which will be pointed toward the street, I would normally use a fixture with great glare control and shielding. You won't find this type of fixture at home-of-depo.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
06-26-2008, 11:05 PM
Now add some sizzle...

1: Install either a Nightscaping Guardian (White) or a Hunza DownLight (White) on the fascia of the gable end over the garden bed (left) as well as on the fascia of the gable over the garage. This will softly wash those upper gable ends, make the vent over the garage pop and cast a nice soft pool of light onto the drive and the garden.

2: Install 3 Nightscaping Artisans on the inside vertical surface of the beam that fronts the porch such that 3 pools of light are created on the porch itself. 1 to the left of the window, 1 to the right of the window, and 1 angled to just in front of the door. 20W BAB lamps with optical spread lenses will do the trick there to soften it.

3: Uplight the two trees on either side of the yard as per Chris J's instructions. I would use an ingrade fixture like the Nightscaping Vermeer, or a Vista 5262 to save some $$$. Minimum of 3 fixtures per tree. Internally downlighting them might be interesting if you do a bit of pruning to open them up.

4: Install a PAR20, 35W, WFL lamp inside that coach light to the right of the garage.

None of those recommendations are available through retail channels... but if you follow through, your neighbours might just be getting you to do their homes too, which will more then cover the cost of pro grade components for your home. Time to hit the line of credit!

Have a great day.

Chris J
06-27-2008, 12:25 AM
A good listener would realize that this is not something he wants to do right now. If he had an open budget, then more options would have been addressed already. Thanks for the input, but I think he's got a good handle on what he wants to do with his property.
I'm going to bed now. I can feel my BP starting to rise quickly.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
06-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Oh I read it... I just thought it would be nice for the guy to have something more to plan and look forward too. Besides, the idea of showcasing his property is not a bad one. Might just propel him into the marketplace.

You have to admit, the advice given thus far has been pretty solid and the property would be outstanding if illuminated in this manner.

"Believe and you WILL achieve."

David Gretzmier
06-27-2008, 02:25 AM
I do know that uplighting the garage, as you have shown with red dots, with the small horizontal roof thing with gutter bump out, that right peak above the garage will have no light at all. I think James suggestions are for the next 3 levels to kick it up, but your biggest bang for the buck after your initial install might be a couple of gutter mounts and two small mr-11's ( FX is my choice) or mr-8's ( nightscaping j-lighter withouth riser) to get some light on that right peak.

Than I'd do the trees as Chris Suggested, then I'd dig into some of Jame's other suggestions.

cgaengineer
06-27-2008, 07:46 AM
A good listener would realize that this is not something he wants to do right now. If he had an open budget, then more options would have been addressed already. Thanks for the input, but I think he's got a good handle on what he wants to do with his property.
I'm going to bed now. I can feel my BP starting to rise quickly.

No need for you to get your BP up...I will take all of the advice I can get. Everyone has great ideas...but I may be facing the impossible by lighting my house anyway...there is only so much I can do with a single story starter home.

I looked at some of the Vista lights, not a bad price...definitely not out of my price range by any means. I think the best thing for me to do is to concentrate on lighting the house and then move to the trees. As far as getting the neighbors to light their house...yeah right, I think I have put more time and money into my house then most in this neighborhood...my next step is to move into a larger brick home when the economy rises. Until then I have to make the best of what I have.

Thank you all for the good advice...keep it coming in...maybe I will even learn something about lighting! I do know that there is not many houses in this area that have lights, so my house would be the exception to this. I think I can count on 1 hand the number of houses that have professional lighting around here...even including houses in the $500,000 + range.

There is definitely a market for lighting around here...it just needs to be tapped!

JoeyD
06-27-2008, 11:35 AM
Chris Jones.......I was going to put Chris J but that wouldnt work...LOL I will email you back with some suggestions on placement.....

jshimmin
06-27-2008, 06:12 PM
Chris,

You are not all that far from me. Throwing the demo kit up on it would be the best way to determine what you want or need. I'm always looking for someone who wants to do sales or installs if you're interested.

cgaengineer
06-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Chris,

You are not all that far from me. Throwing the demo kit up on it would be the best way to determine what you want or need. I'm always looking for someone who wants to do sales or installs if you're interested.

Yeah, come on out and throw a demo on it...just dont take it when you leave!! Just make sure the demo kit contains all or some of what they listed above:rolleyes:

Seriously...let me know what you have in mind.