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Sean Adams
06-26-2008, 05:50 PM
I had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine last night. He went on a 20 minute rant about why he should be the next President of the United States. He certainly made some good points. I asked him - who would you vote for - Obama or McCain - he insisted he would write in himself.

So here is my question, who would you vote for and why?

Obama
McCain
Yourself

DiyDave
06-26-2008, 07:38 PM
McCain, cause he aint Barak Husein Obama, and I aint interested in no media proctological exam!

SuperMag
06-26-2008, 08:06 PM
Sean- I'm voting for you! You are always diplomatic and get things done, which are two things we need in a president.

Those who linguistically can link him to anyone who is Muslim, Islamic or hails from a possible terrorist organization--- congrats, you probably passed 3rd grade English for rhyming and matching!:usflag:

DiyDave
06-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Sean- I'm voting for you! You are always diplomatic and get things done, which are two things we need in a president.

Those who linguistically can link him to anyone who is Muslim, Islamic or hails from a possible terrorist organization--- congrats, you probably passed 3rd grade English for rhyming and matching!:usflag:
The aint was for effect, it achieved the desired result. I never said Mr Obammy was a muslim!:laugh::laugh:

Sean Adams
06-26-2008, 10:23 PM
Sean- I'm voting for you! You are always diplomatic and get things done, which are two things we need in a president.

Those who linguistically can link him to anyone who is Muslim, Islamic or hails from a possible terrorist organization--- congrats, you probably passed 3rd grade English for rhyming and matching!:usflag:


Hmmm...me as President of the United States of America.... :usflag: :usflag:

Wait, I think you have to be 35 years old to be the President, otherwise I would be a shoe-in....

Now a woman President, when will that happen? I thought maybe, just maybe this was the year. Guess we will have to wait to see that....but by the time a woman is able to run for President I will be over 35 and then she won't have a shot!

:usflag: :usflag: :usflag: :usflag:

IA_James
06-27-2008, 12:48 AM
I wrote in my best friend and myself last time around, I was sure we could do a better job than either of those clowns.

SuperMag
06-27-2008, 12:27 PM
The aint was for effect, it achieved the desired result. I never said Mr Obammy was a muslim!:laugh::laugh:


No, Sorry Dave, didn't mean you specifically on that one, I just find it odd that all over the net there are people who would like to create the impression that Obama and Saddam are first cousins or that somehow Obama and Osama are also tied in with one another.

americanlawn
06-27-2008, 07:14 PM
I ditto voting for the dudes at lawnsite. They have cool heads, and they don't rush to judgement. Swell Americans. That's what our Founding Fathers where about.

MileHigh
06-27-2008, 07:22 PM
Obama all the way!!!

Mccain's policies are worst than Bushes.

DiyDave
06-27-2008, 07:45 PM
Supermag- no specific offense intended, I don't care if he is Cheyney's first cousin! Get a little closer and I'll tell you a little secret about Obrahma. Are you ready? He's an inexperienced, naive liberal!:usflag::usflag:

LawnScapers of Dayton
06-27-2008, 08:09 PM
Obama all the way!!!

Mccain's policies are worst than Bushes.

and Obama's aren't??????????????:laugh::dizzy::hammerhead::confused:

Howard Roark
06-27-2008, 09:58 PM
Neither. The two party system is a complete charade. The elitists call ALL the shots (with the help of their buddies...i.e. foreign interests from waaay back in history) so you see, they NEVER have the people of America as their primary, or even secondary interest.

Unfortunately, they even publish these facts, and still people have no clue.

They do however, realize that the average American citizen has absolutely NO interest in knowing any truths or even thinking beyond their own daily lives.

How much tap water did you all drink today? Enjoy that Sodium Fluoride in there that they say is good for your teeth. It ain't. It's a heavy metal toxic by-product that they put in your water to dumb you down. Yummy! Gosh, Barrack never mentioned that one.

They also know that E! entertainment and most TV shows, XBox 360 and any other pink little puppy that crosses your path will consume your entire thought process, leaving you completely oblivious to any facts.

Presidents in the U.S. are SELECTED, not elected. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken.

bare spot
06-27-2008, 11:00 PM
Neither. The two party system is a complete charade. The elitists call ALL the shots (with the help of their buddies...i.e. foreign interests from waaay back in history) so you see, they NEVER have the people of America as their primary, or even secondary interest.

Unfortunately, they even publish these facts, and still people have no clue.

They do however, realize that the average American citizen has absolutely NO interest in knowing any truths or even thinking beyond their own daily lives.

How much tap water did you all drink today? Enjoy that Sodium Fluoride in there that they say is good for your teeth. It ain't. It's a heavy metal toxic by-product that they put in your water to dumb you down. Yummy! Gosh, Barrack never mentioned that one.

They also know that E! entertainment and most TV shows, XBox 360 and any other pink little puppy that crosses your path will consume your entire thought process, leaving you completely oblivious to any facts.

Presidents in the U.S. are SELECTED, not elected. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken.
could na said it any better, niether.

LawnScapers of Dayton
06-28-2008, 08:08 AM
the dumb masses...........say that fast..........

nosparkplugs
06-28-2008, 09:58 PM
Were really stuck with two idiots, so IMO whom ever is elected will fall short of the acheived goals needed to correct this countries problems. For starters we need relief from the high price of crude oil right now, and neither have an answer.

grasswhacker
06-29-2008, 04:23 PM
Well, i would of course vote for Grasswhacker. We need to stop voting in diplomats and start putting in those who have core conservative values, not worrying about what the liberals say.
I know I could count on Dirty Water, OMG, Phillippe, GreenT and Soggy socks to vote for me since I would have us out of Iraq in 6 months. I'm sure the libs would like my exit strategy.:gunsfirin:gunsfirin:gunsfirin:laugh:
And this GW would run a different kind of administration then the current GW.:cool2:

Howard Roark
06-29-2008, 08:52 PM
Were really stuck with two idiots, so IMO whom ever is elected will fall short of the acheived goals needed to correct this countries problems. For starters we need relief from the high price of crude oil right now, and neither have an answer.

Extreme oil prices are caused by ONE thing, and it was by design if you simply trace the steps.

The DE-VALUATION of the American Dollar. This hasn't just happened over night either. It's been going on for months, with TOP NOTCH economists predicting it, and also proclaiming it done WITH knowledge.

Folks wake the hell up. This is why your gas prices are through the roof. You think it's because this planet is short on Oil??

It all rides on the Dollar. Oh yeah, and America's head up Israel's *** too.

Charles
06-30-2008, 07:36 AM
Extreme oil prices are caused by ONE thing, and it was by design if you simply trace the steps.

The DE-VALUATION of the American Dollar. This hasn't just happened over night either. It's been going on for months, with TOP NOTCH economists predicting it, and also proclaiming it done WITH knowledge.

Folks wake the hell up. This is why your gas prices are through the roof. You think it's because this planet is short on Oil??

It all rides on the Dollar. Oh yeah, and America's head up Israel's *** too.

The big reason for this is that we have borrowed $600 million to a $ Trillion from China and Japan to fight and rebuild Iraq. This is off budget for political reasons and to keep more Americans from turning against the war. The young people of today future has been mortaged. This is a fact you won't see on FOX entertainment. The borrowing continues to the tune of billions per week. Yes devaluation of the dollar has made a big impact on oil prices. Makes it cheaper for the Chinese/India etc to buy it too.
I don't know how either one of these candidate's got this far. If this is the best America has to offer then we are in big trouble. McCains campaign was in big trouble. He was riding on a bus and now he is the nominee of his party--go figure. McCain changed on most every issue to try and appeal to the far right. he wants to keep the borrowing gravy train going endlessly. Now he mirrors W
Obama is not much better. He has no experience and talks pie in the sky. No new idea's and no solutions to any of our problems.
I wouldn't vote for me either:laugh:

MUDFLAP
06-30-2008, 09:39 AM
Going to hold my nose, and vote for McCain, dont like the fact that he has bought into the global warming crap, and he will do nothing to stop the mexican invasion. I believe he will cut spending, and appiont conservative judges to supreme court, which is a big deal, last week we were 1 vote from losing the 2nd amendment, kinda scary what a bunch of activist judges could do to our country.And those guys come out of there feet first.We will only be stuck with our next president for 4 years,will be stuck with the judges he appoints for 40 years - something to think about ?

Obama is a socialist, he thinks big govt is the answer to all our problems, and if elected watch your rights, and freedoms vanish 1 at a time, until our constitution amounts to nothing more than fancy toilet paper.

nosparkplugs
06-30-2008, 11:40 AM
back during the "Cold War", Bin laddin was young rebal fighter soon to be USA allie against the Russians invasion of Afghanistan, and helped push back communism. At one point we were "allies" with Saddam against Iran, granted Saddam & Bib laddin turned out to be radicals with their own agendas over time, no different then America?. We are in a serious economic crisis, while I look back during the economic prosperity during the Clinton years, and know that Clinton's policy have also played a role in our current problems. Time will do Geroge W Bush good, only when he has been out of office will the American public truly appreciate what he has done to keep our country safe, or those who are dissatisfied with Bush's polices will have have yet more conformation of his so called failed Presidency.

We need to continue the fight against the radical Islamic fundamentalist, where ever that may be? including Iraq, that will stop at nothing to bring the United States of America down.

These radicals know that our military is the best in the world, so gone are the World War I & II military doctrines, look a Vietnam. Our enemies have learned they cannot fight use on the open battle fields, so we are being hit economically, taking our legs out. We need to start drilling for oil in the US territories right now we have the ability to do this yet were like deer in headlights over the "Obama vs McCain" race.

cgaengineer
06-30-2008, 01:59 PM
back during the "Cold War", Bin laddin was young rebal fighter soon to be USA allie against the Russians invasion of Afghanistan, and helped push back communism. At one point we were "allies" with Saddam against Iran, granted Saddam & Bib laddin turned out to be radicals with their own agendas over time, no different then America?. We are in a serious economic crisis, while I look back during the economic prosperity during the Clinton years, and know that Clinton's policy have also played a role in our current problems. Time will do Geroge W Bush good, only when he has been out of office will the American public truly appreciate what he has done to keep our country safe, or those who are dissatisfied with Bush's polices will have have yet more conformation of his so called failed Presidency.

We need to continue the fight against the radical Islamic fundamentalist, where ever that may be? including Iraq, that will stop at nothing to bring the United States of America down.

These radicals know that our military is the best in the world, so gone are the World War I & II military doctrines, look a Vietnam. Our enemies have learned they cannot fight use on the open battle fields, so we are being hit economically, taking our legs out. We need to start drilling for oil in the US territories right now we have the ability to do this yet were like deer in headlights over the "Obama vs McCain" race.

Well said...I agree with every word!

Joe McMo
06-30-2008, 03:56 PM
I liked Huckabee the best, hope he get's VP. They are for pro life!! We are the only country in the world that kills our future children by the millions each year.
There is no animal that kills their young like us, Give me pro choice Republicans. Let's teach our children to mate responsibly. Joe McMoe

Partsangel
06-30-2008, 10:40 PM
Well you should read the latest news before you post because as of 06/30/08 Iraq has announced that they are back online with oil production, and guess where the Rebs have US ? yep thats right.. right on top of the biggest oil supply the World has ever known. Obomb was going to throw away a winning Lotto Ticket with-out even understanding anything about the World and how it works. Also Obomb let a Gen (war hero) make a bad comment about McCain thats a :nono:..
I would vote for Sean no prob, I would even throw in my name or Ron Pauls but I dont understand the inner workings of the World but I'm throwing my dice in the dirrection of McCain :usflag:

Mike

mnglocker
07-06-2008, 03:14 PM
I'm taking my Deligate vote this year and backing Ron Paul. McCain is just a slow transition to socialism, where as Obama is full speed ahead soviet communism.

americanlawn
07-09-2008, 09:47 PM
Learning more facts about Osama everyday, and they ain't pretty. "My Cane" ain't the best, but I trust him cuz he does not have as many lies as Osama. The best candidates were at the Iowa Straw Poll in Ames, IA. I voted for Mike, yet there were others I would also vote for compared to Billary or Osama or McCain. At the Straw Poll, there were several valid candidates...........too bad we now have just "crumbs to pick from".

RonB
07-09-2008, 10:43 PM
I'll be voting for Colin Powell .. oh wait .. ah .. bummer.

Stillwater
07-10-2008, 05:04 AM
I dont want a president who is embarrassed because the average American travelsler cannot speak the forgine countrys language.

I dont want a president to be ashamed of his countrymen because they only speak english.

Just add his insulting statements of blame America first and is wife's just now having pried in America for the first time what do you got?

I dont want a president who calls wearing a flag pin False patriotism

I dont want a president who needs to take 10 full minutes to explain why a flag-pin is a no no.

I dont want a president to tell me to teach my children spanish

Forget you obama my children will have english first period.......

AI Inc
07-10-2008, 06:39 AM
There is no animal that kills their young like us, Give me pro choice Republicans. Let's teach our children to mate responsibly. Joe McMoe

Actualy a male bear will kill cubs to get to the female. A female with cubs will not breed.

Langford2000
07-10-2008, 07:29 AM
Actually the price of oil going through the roof is mainly the speculators. You have people buying and selling billions of dollars worth of oil all on paper. While the falling value of the $$ hasn't helped, speculators are the real problem.

The presidential race has really came down to a lesser of the two evils. On one hand you have a young, inexperienced senators with an unestablished voting record that is throwing enough smoke into the crowd that nobody can see the real truth. Has anyone EVER heard Obama say that he loves his country, respects the founding fathers of this country, or even covers his heart during the pledge or singing of the national anthem? I am not going to list all of the problems with the democratic party and their views but a short time of research will blow your mind. In my opinion and opinion only there is no way an honest, hard working person of any age, sex, of race could vote for Obama.

I'm not saying that McCain is the man either. Far from it. His patriotism has never been in question but he is growing long in the tooth to lead this country out of the quagmire we have found ourselves in. And with the fact that he has bought into this global warming BS and the fact he isn't;t for sealing the boarders, well that just sucks.

The two political parties have changed so much in the past 50 years in their morals its amazing. The repubs have taken a view similar to the dems were 50 years ago and hell, the dems will promise whatever freebie to what ever group necessary to get the votes. Who do you thinks pays for those freebies? WE DO!! Heck, I was watching tv a couple months ago where a reporter was stopping people on the streets. When asked what political party the answer for the minority groups was strongly democrat. Also when asked who their congressman were NONE knew. All the knew was that they were going to pull the democrat lever on Tuesday.

Sorry for the rant but I want to keep my guns, continue to pay at the tax level now (sure as hell don't want an increase), work where and how I see prudent for me and my family, and I don't think the answer for every little problem is more government.

treegal1
07-10-2008, 07:56 PM
it is indeed regrettable that we as Americans have departed the wisdom and self preservation that our fore fathers had, we are in a period in this great nation that we need a great leader! and yet somehow we the people have allowed our self's to regress to the disappointing and possibly dangerous two party system of government. beset in all our freedoms and worried about the long term continuity of the American way of life. This is not a matter of faith, as we are one nation under god, well the great profit Muhammad, took it down the mountain from Abraham, same as Jesus and same as the Hebrew, which is to say that judging some or all of the candidates on there subscription to a higher power is just a erroneous, judge not least we be judged first. we the people are headed for a a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of totalitarian rule. the issue at hand is one of a truly merging time in our culture where great people of all races and creeds need to put aside there petty differences and acquire the sense and sensibility to stop the fallacious destruction of our great nation.at the same time we need to strip the powers that be and return to a less surreptitious way to enact the old adage for the people by the people. And in doing so restore the character that it takes to lead America into the new millennium,post haste! what will this take, and how long. hopefully not another 4 years. and certainly not the ill will expressed. ask not what your country will do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

JKUCSMA
07-12-2008, 12:49 PM
Not sure yet,a note we borrowed money for the rebate checks to stimulate the economy,what a joke,Red Chinia will own us if we don't get someone in the goverement to end the stupidity,but the catch 22 is, Red Chinia could pull all money out of our bonds and t bills and collapse our economy,sad,but true.Yes it's still Red Chinia or Communist China that hasen't changed,most people don't know we sell stuff to Iran,and Bush wants to fight them.,Crazy

Stillwater
07-12-2008, 12:51 PM
Not sure yet,a note we borrowed money for the rebate checks to stimulate the economy,what a joke,Red Chinia will own us if we don't get someone in the goverement to end the stupidity,but the catch 22 is, Red Chinia could pull all money out of our bonds and t bills and collapse our economy,sad,but true.Yes it's still Red Chinia or Communist China that hasen't changed,most people don't know we sell stuff to Iran,and Bush wants to fight them.,Crazy

OK then they do that, now tell us what would that do to chinas GNP.

JKUCSMA
07-12-2008, 01:03 PM
I'am not sure on that,If they demanded all the money we owe them repaid it would probably help them.I have nothing against the people,it's the Chinese Goverement I hate.

Stillwater
07-12-2008, 01:03 PM
I should have worded that differently, it sounds like I don't agree with you when I do in fact agree.

Charles
07-13-2008, 07:28 AM
I think between Japan and China, they own 50%. W borrowed just as much from Japan. Now we could borrow from Saudi Arabia to pay China and Japan off:laugh:
Borrow from Peter to pay Paul. Maybe the next King should have an accounting back ground:rolleyes:

AI Inc
07-13-2008, 07:36 AM
I think between Japan and China, they own 50%. W borrowed just as much from Japan. Now we could borrow from Saudi Arabia to pay China and Japan off:laugh:
Borrow from Peter to pay Paul. Maybe the next King should have an accounting back ground:rolleyes:

Hey I would settle for 1 that at least ran a successful buisiness

JKUCSMA
07-13-2008, 08:29 AM
Yes,Wouldn't it be nice if the goverment ran like a buisiness,to make money

Dave_005
07-13-2008, 04:23 PM
Obama all the way!!!

Mccain's policies are worst than Bushes.

I'm from Illinois, obamas home state ! i just CANNOT Understand WHY ANYONE would vote for obama.
1. Obama is Only a 1st term senator
2. obama has NOT even finished his first term in the Senate yet !
3. obama has done NOTHING since he has been in the senate !
4. obama has NO RIGHT to be President or commander-in-chief because what would give him the right to send our troops to a war zone when he HIMSELF has NEVER Served ONE SINGLE day in the military.
5. for those who want to vote for obama because he claims he is against the war in Iraq. CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD ! he has voted to APPROVE EVERY SINGLE bill to come up on Iraq.
6. i'm Retired from the Army. i Served Honorably and committed ALOT of years to Military service, i would NEVER vote for ANYONE who thinks so little of his country that hes unwilling to serve at least one enlistment in the military.
this won;t make me very popular with some but i couldnt care less, i gave alot of years and Sacrifice so i can have the right to voice my opinion as i see it.
From a life long Democrat, this year i say McCAIN ALL THE WAY in 08

SuperMag
07-14-2008, 10:38 AM
China could try to collapse our economy but then we could freeze all trade into the US from China and that would probably collapse their export economy.

Think of all the plastic junk they have we buy at wal-mart for $2...

JKUCSMA
07-14-2008, 01:03 PM
I myself refuse to shop at wal-mart,like going to Chinatown,and in China they still kill girl babies.

mississippiturf
07-14-2008, 07:34 PM
McCain, all the way for the reason(s) above. Oh, a closer look at his (Obama) voting record and his "I'm here and accounted for" Senate votes leaves one wondering what side of the fence he's really on. And the quotes from his books leaves no doubt this dude is a radical liberal whose only presidental attributes are his ability to bamboozle the American voter.


Never enter a battle of intellect with an unarmed man.

Charles
07-14-2008, 07:52 PM
McCain, all the way for the reason(s) above. Oh, a closer look at his (Obama) voting record and his "I'm here and accounted for" Senate votes leaves one wondering what side of the fence he's really on. And the quotes from his books leaves no doubt this dude is a radical liberal whose only presidental attributes are his ability to bamboozle the American voter.


Never enter a battle of intellect with an unarmed man.

Master list of McCains Goof ups:

http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm

Stillwater
07-15-2008, 01:21 AM
Master list of McCains Goof ups:

http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm

everyone has a list of goof up's.... How come you did not post obammys along with mcaines?

Charles
07-15-2008, 05:11 AM
everyone has a list of goof up's.... How come you did not post obammys along with mcaines?

Do your own research:rolleyes: I don't like Obama either, but McCain is not what he appears to be. The only thing that he really is, is old. I don't know how either one of them got this close to being King.
We got a lot more problems that require a lot more experience than whether somebody was in the military thats for sure

Grandview
07-15-2008, 08:54 AM
He's an inexperienced, naive liberal!:usflag::usflag:

Thats a good summary.

JKUCSMA
07-15-2008, 09:01 AM
We need to quit borrowing money and get the value of the dollar up,since Mccain is for the war,that just puts us deeper in debt.

Stillwater
07-15-2008, 09:35 AM
Do your own research:rolleyes: I don't like Obama either, but McCain is not what he appears to be. The only thing that he really is, is old. I don't know how either one of them got this close to being King.
We got a lot more problems that require a lot more experience than whether somebody was in the military thats for sure

I hear ya, and agree for the most part... I don't agree with Mcaine on a lot of issues either, but look at Americas military history.. history shows that former military figures have made strong presidents. But actors have as well.

Their is nothing more Nobel than serving in the American military. Their is also the benefit of knowing Mcaine under torture will not sell out his fellow servicemen and the country called America. Obamms just has an excuse to not wear a flag pin.

Obamma while willingly sitting in a pew of a politicly active anti American church, for over 20 years without defending it shows me he is unwilling to do so, But we have the benefit of knowing for fact Mcaine has and will. Defense is job 1 before everything else, Read the oath of office, obammy has failed at that already.

It is NOT a hard decision Print Obams record then print Mcain's sit down and read them both and then decide who should lead the greatest country on this planet. the drivel both mcaine and obam is spewing on tv right now is irrelevant their history their past record is who they really are....

Just before Americans make hanging chads in the fall they should ask themselves is exposing your children to an anti American spewer and accepting it for 20 plus years along with calling the weather underground founder a friend and has had him in his home enough of a reason to not vote for him? This is a question to silently ask and answer yourself.

with all his faults and their are a bunch the bottom line is my values as a American more closely match Mcaines and my personal values clash with obamys

Charles
07-15-2008, 10:52 AM
I hear ya, and agree for the most part... I don't agree with Mcaine on a lot of issues either, but look at Americas military history.. history shows that former military figures have made strong presidents. But actors have as well.

Their is nothing more Nobel than serving in the American military. Their is also the benefit of knowing Mcaine under torture will not sell out his fellow servicemen and the country called America. Obamms just has an excuse to not wear a flag pin.

Obamma while willingly sitting in a pew of a politicly active anti American church, for over 20 years without defending it shows me he is unwilling to do so, But we have the benefit of knowing for fact Mcaine has and will. Defense is job 1 before everything else, Read the oath of office, obammy has failed at that already.

It is NOT a hard decision Print Obams record then print Mcain's sit down and read them both and then decide who should lead the greatest country on this planet. the drivel both mcaine and obam is spewing on tv right now is irrelevant their history their past record is who they really are....

Just before Americans make hanging chads in the fall they should ask themselves is exposing your children to an anti American spewer and accepting it for 20 plus years along with calling the weather underground founder a friend and has had him in his home enough of a reason to not vote for him? This is a question to silently ask and answer yourself.

with all his faults and their are a bunch the bottom line is my values as a American more closely match Mcaines and my personal values clash with obamys

Must be ok to pic and choose which Military people are picked to be Prez because that idiot John Kerry served in the Military with honors and was rejected by the right wing. Kerry saw combat. On the other hand, W skated through the National guard like many party hearty college kids blow off college. Spending much of the time on the campaign trail when he should have been on guard duty. So not every military person is qualified to be prez or should be prez. This is not some military hunta we got going here. This is a civillian government in charge of the military. A qualified prez would pick qualified experienced people to run the military and advise him. W chose to ignore a qualified military person in Colin Powel when it concened Iraq and Afganistan and now we are paying the price for that stupidity and future generations will pay an even higher price.
The first answer to every problem is NOT bombing another country back into the stone ages. YOu can actually create worse problems by going that route.

Stillwater
07-15-2008, 11:55 AM
Must be ok to pic and choose which Military people are picked to be Prez because that idiot John Kerry served in the Military with honors and was rejected by the right wing.



Ya it is great isn't it.... it is called voteing.

Charles
07-15-2008, 04:29 PM
Ya it is great isn't it.... it is called voteing.

Ya-duh lol. Unfortunately "competence" is last on the list of criteria for the average voter. Many just vote straight dem or rep. Many just vote personalities and/or looks etc

Stillwater
07-15-2008, 06:46 PM
Ya-duh lol. Unfortunately "competence" is last on the list of criteria for the average voter. Many just vote straight dem or rep. Many just vote personalities and/or looks etc


scarry isn't it.....

DiyDave
07-15-2008, 06:53 PM
My yardstick for measuring a presidential vote is which one is 1% better than the other. In this matchup, I see McCain as being about 5% better than BHO.:waving:

Stillwater
07-16-2008, 05:09 AM
My yardstick for measuring a presidential vote is which one is 1% better than the other. In this matchup, I see McCain as being about 5% better than BHO.:waving:

just only 5%?

New_Business
08-15-2008, 06:33 PM
I'm from Illinois, obamas home state ! i just CANNOT Understand WHY ANYONE would vote for obama.
1. Obama is Only a 1st term senator
2. obama has NOT even finished his first term in the Senate yet !
3. obama has done NOTHING since he has been in the senate !
4. obama has NO RIGHT to be President or commander-in-chief because what would give him the right to send our troops to a war zone when he HIMSELF has NEVER Served ONE SINGLE day in the military.
5. for those who want to vote for obama because he claims he is against the war in Iraq. CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD ! he has voted to APPROVE EVERY SINGLE bill to come up on Iraq.
6. i'm Retired from the Army. i Served Honorably and committed ALOT of years to Military service, i would NEVER vote for ANYONE who thinks so little of his country that hes unwilling to serve at least one enlistment in the military.
this won;t make me very popular with some but i couldnt care less, i gave alot of years and Sacrifice so i can have the right to voice my opinion as i see it.
From a life long Democrat, this year i say McCAIN ALL THE WAY in 08
Since when does serving in the military qualify you to be president?
I swear it's because of you southern people that GB got elected the second time. If it weren't for the farmers/hicks in the country we would be better off.

Landscape22
08-18-2008, 09:53 PM
Of course I'm voting for Obama. I didn't realize there were so many millionaires on these boards supporting McCain and his tax cuts for the wealthy. Why we work our tails off being paid hourly, hedge fund managers walk away with a capital gains tax cut. What is this, the French Revolution in reverse, where the common man piles into the street demanding more power for the aristocracy?

Oh, and to those people who think serving in the military is a pre-requisite for the presidency, study some history. One of the biggest fears of our founding fathers was the influence of militarism on the state, given their experience with King George (of England, that is). Our entire constitution is structured such that militarism will not take over our government. It is one of the fundamental checks and balances that protect us.

Get some sense, and realize McCain and his support for Iraq, tax cuts for the wealthy, and subsidies for oil companies didn't exactly benefit you. Hold the Republicans responsible for the misery they are putting us through.

Lawnut101
08-18-2008, 10:47 PM
I don't like either. But I know which one gets my vote.

Dave_005
08-19-2008, 08:13 AM
Of course I'm voting for Obama. I didn't realize there were so many millionaires on these boards supporting McCain and his tax cuts for the wealthy. Why we work our tails off being paid hourly, hedge fund managers walk away with a capital gains tax cut. What is this, the French Revolution in reverse, where the common man piles into the street demanding more power for the aristocracy?

Oh, and to those people who think serving in the military is a pre-requisite for the presidency, study some history. One of the biggest fears of our founding fathers was the influence of militarism on the state, given their experience with King George (of England, that is). Our entire constitution is structured such that militarism will not take over our government. It is one of the fundamental checks and balances that protect us.

Get some sense, and realize McCain and his support for Iraq, tax cuts for the wealthy, and subsidies for oil companies didn't exactly benefit you. Hold the Republicans responsible for the misery they are putting us through.

you talk about McCains support for the war in Iraq, NOW try looking at Obamas VOTING RECORD he Claims to be against it in his speaches and tells you everything you want to hear but he has Voted to APROOVE EVERY SINGLE BILL ON IRAQ ! I dont think we have any buisness in IRAQ either but now that Bush has got us in there we CANNOT just pack up and leave, but once they can again defend themselves we should leave without question.
Since you say you;re voting for obama without question let me ask you this, tell me why ? Name just ONE thing he has done since he has been in the Senate ? he has taken alot of trips, he has writen a book, hmmmmmmm i'm from obamas home state and a life long democrat but i cannot tell you one single thing he has done for our state, so maybe you can tell me....
And No serving in the millitary in itself shouldnt be a prerequisite to be president but the president should NEVER ask someone else to do something he himself wouldnt do... and as Commander-in-chief what would give him the right to send others to war and fight if he has never been willing to serve..

MileHigh
08-19-2008, 10:46 AM
You guys want WW3...than vote for the republican that has a worse temper than bush. Our army can't survive against the russians and chinese @ the same time, kiss our and our kids future goodbye. MCCAIN = WW3....as of matter of fact there are many republicans saying ww3 has already started.

You don't realize that when the us goes to war, who backs that financially?...the government?...WRONG, IT"S THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, all privately owned and run...the picture of it is on your dollar bill. It gets lent out in debt just like all the other money that runs through america, and we and our troops just get screwed.

Who has ties with the Federal Reserve Bank?....you guessed it, Mccain, the guy who won't even vote for the GI BILL....whoa what a vet.

GravelyNut
08-19-2008, 04:11 PM
It boils down to picking the lessor of two evils. As far as voting records go when it comes to oil, better check BHO's as he voted for the breaks while McCain voted against.

And I voted for neither in the primaries. Nor Billary. :D

JKUCSMA
08-19-2008, 04:15 PM
Maybe there should be a box to vote none of the above,start over

Charles
08-19-2008, 04:31 PM
You guys want WW3...than vote for the republican that has a worse temper than bush. Our army can't survive against the russians and chinese @ the same time, kiss our and our kids future goodbye. MCCAIN = WW3....as of matter of fact there are many republicans saying ww3 has already started.

You don't realize that when the us goes to war, who backs that financially?...the government?...WRONG, IT"S THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, all privately owned and run...the picture of it is on your dollar bill. It gets lent out in debt just like all the other money that runs through america, and we and our troops just get screwed.

Who has ties with the Federal Reserve Bank?....you guessed it, Mccain, the guy who won't even vote for the GI BILL....whoa what a vet.

Exactly! McCain sure is talking tough with Russia. We have nothing much to back up that tough talk either except Nukes and Russia has Nukes and then game over. McCain has nothing to lose. He will be 72 when and if he takes office. The oldest start to a Presidency ever. W has surrounded Russia with NATO and a missle defense system that Russia thinks can be offensive in nature.
W and gang called McCain a hot head when they ran against each other and he is notorious for being that around capital hill. How about a old senile hothead President with his fingers on the Nuke button?? I just see the end coming if we don't get someone in office with brains and self control.....

americanlawn
08-19-2008, 07:24 PM
Most of my favorites are nolonger in the running. (we always attend the Ames, IA Straw Poll).

So now I look at other results.
1) Serious crimes in Chicago have skyrocketed. (Osama)
2) Osama says he was never a Moslum (a HUGE lie)
3) Arizona has experienced wealth & growth in recent years. (McCain)
4) Flipflopping.....I think most folks know who has done this the most. (Osama)

I have voted in every Presidential race sinse 1972, but this year, I don't know if I will even vote, cuz the "choices" aren't the best. Both are 'politicians', and that ain't good.

GravelyNut
08-19-2008, 09:40 PM
Maybe there should be a box to vote none of the above,start over
That would be too simple a solution, unless you throw out Congress too. :clapping: Which brings up another idea, Why don't we have a resign to run law for those who want to run for President/VP or Congress?

TomberLawn
08-19-2008, 11:21 PM
I still like Mike Huckabee (no more IRS), but since he's not running anymore, it's definitely McCain. Did anybody see the debate at Saddleback Church? McCain dominated that so well that Obama's campaign people accused McCain of having access to the questions beforehand. Obama looked like a bumbling nut trying to answer the questions without stating a solid belief. I got lost in all the "uh, uh, you know, well, uh, this is a top priority..." Every topic was a top priority.

A man who cannot answer when life begins has no business running for president. "Whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity . . . is above my pay grade." Okay, he's running for the most important job in the world and says, "I don't have a clue," or is it, "If I give a specific answer, I'll offend half of the electorate, so I'll just be vague." Life begins, and human rights should be conferred, "At conception" (McCain).

When asked which current supreme court justices he would not have nominated, Obama named Clarence Thomas and said he was unqualified for the high office. Justice Thomas has a longer resume than Obama, so who's more qualified?

I highly recommend everyone try to find a copy of Dick Morris' book, "Fleeced". The first chapter explains in detail what will happen in America is Barack Hussein Obama is elected to the office of president. My friends, it is not encouraging. The book is taken straight from Obama's own published goals and plans, then analyzed to see how similar policies worked in history or to shed light on a darker side of the plan that isn't widely known. Even if you don't buy the book, find it at a bookstore and read the first chapter.

americanlawn
08-20-2008, 06:18 PM
Mason shook John McCain's hand at the Iowa State Fair last week. I tried but never got close enough (lots of secret servicemen). McCain (wearing his US Navy cap) gave a 10 minute speech -- after that, he went over and got a "porkchop on a stick". He also took the time to greet as many people as possible. He looked spry, healthy, and very fit. ...........Osama never attended America's largest Fair (maybe cuz there was no ghetto nearby?).

S man
08-20-2008, 06:58 PM
:laugh::walking::walking:Obama all the way!!!

Mccain's policies are worst than Bushes.

I guess you want a radical no brain empty suit socialist president. Good luck with the EXTREME high gas prices because this moron doesn't want us to get our own damn oil. Mccain is the man for the job! Obama can't even think for himself. The talk with Rev. rick warren explains everything. Obama couldn't answer where life begins and can't go a second without talking nonsense or saying uh. He couldn't even pass to get an entry level military job. He's the bottom of the barrel as far as presidential candidates go.

S man
08-20-2008, 07:00 PM
I still like Mike Huckabee (no more IRS), but since he's not running anymore, it's definitely McCain. Did anybody see the debate at Saddleback Church? McCain dominated that so well that Obama's campaign people accused McCain of having access to the questions beforehand. Obama looked like a bumbling nut trying to answer the questions without stating a solid belief. I got lost in all the "uh, uh, you know, well, uh, this is a top priority..." Every topic was a top priority.

A man who cannot answer when life begins has no business running for president. "Whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity . . . is above my pay grade." Okay, he's running for the most important job in the world and says, "I don't have a clue," or is it, "If I give a specific answer, I'll offend half of the electorate, so I'll just be vague." Life begins, and human rights should be conferred, "At conception" (McCain).

When asked which current supreme court justices he would not have nominated, Obama named Clarence Thomas and said he was unqualified for the high office. Justice Thomas has a longer resume than Obama, so who's more qualified?

I highly recommend everyone try to find a copy of Dick Morris' book, "Fleeced". The first chapter explains in detail what will happen in America is Barack Hussein Obama is elected to the office of president. My friends, it is not encouraging. The book is taken straight from Obama's own published goals and plans, then analyzed to see how similar policies worked in history or to shed light on a darker side of the plan that isn't widely known. Even if you don't buy the book, find it at a bookstore and read the first chapter.

On the money man!!! Mccain kicked his butt!!!

americanlawn
08-20-2008, 07:35 PM
Rush Limbaugh (months ago) picked up on how bad Osama speaks without a prompt. I never knew that until he played some of Osama's speeches. They are uncomfortable & stuttered at best. Can you picture Osama speaking with foreign head-of-states? :confused:

S man
08-20-2008, 10:53 PM
Rush Limbaugh (months ago) picked up on how bad Osama speaks without a prompt. I never knew that until he played some of Osama's speeches. They are uncomfortable & stuttered at best. Can you picture Osama speaking with foreign head-of-states? :confused:

Yeah Rush had eight minutes of uh from osama's speeches.

TomberLawn
08-20-2008, 10:56 PM
I guess you want a radical no brain empty suit socialist president.

Hey man, don't be disrespecting clothes hangers and mannequins. I've seen headless mannequins at the mall that could make better policy than Barack Hussein Obama! :dizzy::hammerhead:

lawnpro724
08-21-2008, 04:18 PM
McCain all the way, is he the most conservative NO but Obama is the most liberal Senator in U.S. history. What does Obama stand for? He is anti gun, against drilling in U.S., He is anti military, He will pass the largest tax increase in history, He is Pro choice, He is anti business, He is a protectionist, and the list goes on and on, oh and I forgot He is a lier. McCain is not my first choice but he is still getting my vote. He is for doing whatever is needed whether it be drilling, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydro or whatever is needed to cut are dependence on mid east oil. He is for lower taxes and less government spending and he is PRO Military. He will stand up against Russia and the other Axis states. Obama said he will tax only the rich in this country? If you believe that your a fool. Obama is going to tax the rich sure but what else? Those of you who are legit on this site know how much you pay in taxes each year, I know I do. Obama is not only going to tax the rich but also your retirement when you take it out and if your in business his tax increase will put most of us out of business. He plans on taxing Rich People, Corporations, Small Businesses, and if he gets what he wants He will take almost half of your retirement fund when you decide to draw it out. Read his tax proposal and look at his voting record.

americanlawn
08-21-2008, 06:14 PM
People often do not realize that "taxing the rich" is not always logical. Example: Microsoft announced today (August 21, 2008) that it will build a 500 million dollar facilty on a 42 acre site here in West Des Moines. Average salary: $70,000. Our Country's success has always been the result of FREE ENTERPRISE. It's in our Bill of Rights. This is why my wife & I will NEVER vote for Osama.

Osama offers "programs", but where's the money coming from??? (you know)

McCain suggests growth in the economy including using AMERICAN oil, nuclear, clean coal, etc. Nuclear fuel has safely been the main source of energy in France, Japan, and other countries for decades. If you remember, it was the 'left-wingers' who put a stop to nuclear energy back in the 70's. So already we are behind the 8-ball. If you want more of the same (backward thinking), vote for the guy who swears he was NEVER a Muslim (lie). That's all I got to say. Please use common sence while voting. :usflag:

lawnpro724
08-21-2008, 07:03 PM
OK then they do that, now tell us what would that do to chinas GNP.

exactly right!! Are two economies are tied together at the hip. China will never do anything to hurt the United States, they may not agree with us all the time and we may not agree with them but we need each other. Does anyone think their standard of living would survive without us?? What about us, do you really think we could afford the things we like to have in our homes if they weren't made in China? I'm not pro China but facts are facts.


Be educated - Vote McCain!

Chriscob
08-22-2008, 09:01 PM
It's simple.

If you want the next 8 years to be like the last 8, you'd be a fool to vote for Obama. McCain is your man. They agree 100% on every important issue (McCain's a little more hair trigger though..)

If you feel the last 8 years were a disaster and want your vote to actually count, you be a fool to vote for McCain. Obama is your man.

America is great because we learn from our mistakes.

Dave_005
08-22-2008, 10:17 PM
It's simple.

If you want the next 8 years to be like the last 8, you'd be a fool to vote for Obama. McCain is your man. They agree 100% on every important issue (McCain's a little more hair trigger though..)

If you feel the last 8 years were a disaster and want your vote to actually count, you be a fool to vote for McCain. Obama is your man.

America is great because we learn from our mistakes.

Obama Never did one thing since he has been in the senate, he HASNT EVEN FINISHED ONE TERM YET !!!! WHY would you vote for him. tell me just ONE THING He Has Done . Nothing. so yes if you want someone who has No Experience and hasn't done anything then by all means vote for Obama. if you want someone who got his a$$ handed to him in the last debate then vote for Obama. during the debate his favorite saying was UH UH UH. i'm a lifelong Democrat but there is just no way in the world i can vote for Obama, let him get some experience first then maybe. but for right now he has ZERO Qualifications to be president

Chriscob
08-23-2008, 09:14 AM
...Campaign finance reform..."loose nukes" reform dealing with Russia, working along with Dick Luger....blah, blah, blah...go to the website, it will list all his stands and issues he's dealt with in the US and in the Illinois legislature..

Because you choose to stay unaware of his record, does not make it non-existent

...and while running for the US Senate his stand against the Iraq invasion and his point-by-point reasons were dead on....

It's all about judgment.

He has more foreign policy and legislative experience than these men at the time they were elected...Abraham Lincoln...Jack Kennedy...Ronald Reagan...Bill Clinton...George W.....

I'll bet there's at least one guy in there you find good enougn to be president.

And, remember, his campaign staff and thousands of workers have run one of the most disciplined, tight ship, focused campaigns in recent history. They beat the Clintons for god's sake....No infighting or psycho drama or total staff upheaval as we've repeatedly seen with Clinton and McCain (who is now being ordered how to bark and "sit" by the same Rove-clones he recently despised).

The campaign staff mirrors the leader. And Obama is the leader of this disciplined organization that has a budget of hundreds of millions and thousands of workers.

That shows how he delegates and how he demands they carry themselves.

That and judgment is what being a leader is all about.

TomberLawn
08-23-2008, 04:52 PM
He has more foreign policy and legislative experience than these men at the time they were elected...Abraham Lincoln...Jack Kennedy...Ronald Reagan...Bill Clinton...George W.....


Just exactly what is his foreign policy experience? Hid dad was from Kenya and Barack went there to visit some family members. He lived in Indonesian as a child. Does that give him foreign policy credentials? If so, maybe I should study a semester abroad, then come home and run for president. Or move to Chicago and get involved with terrorists, a convicted slumlord, and a pastor who is racist and anti-American until I'm 35 and can run for President. I've already had a public speaking class, and that seems to be all that matters to millions of Americans. And you don't even have to be that good! "Uh, um, well, uh, you know, what we, uh, what we have to do is, uh, first of all, uh, look at this issue, uh, you know, from all sides, and, uh, make sure that nobody gets offended..."

If it's not bad enough that somebody with as little experience and far left ideology like Barack Obama even thinks he should run for President, it's far worse that millions of Americans have supported him! I just don't get how liberals think...then again, as Ann Coulter said, "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans!"

Dave_005
08-23-2008, 05:08 PM
...Campaign finance reform..."loose nukes" reform dealing with Russia, working along with Dick Luger....blah, blah, blah...go to the website, it will list all his stands and issues he's dealt with in the US and in the Illinois legislature..

Because you choose to stay unaware of his record, does not make it non-existent

...and while running for the US Senate his stand against the Iraq invasion and his point-by-point reasons were dead on....

It's all about judgment.

He has more foreign policy and legislative experience than these men at the time they were elected...Abraham Lincoln...Jack Kennedy...Ronald Reagan...Bill Clinton...George W.....

I'll bet there's at least one guy in there you find good enougn to be president.

And, remember, his campaign staff and thousands of workers have run one of the most disciplined, tight ship, focused campaigns in recent history. They beat the Clintons for god's sake....No infighting or psycho drama or total staff upheaval as we've repeatedly seen with Clinton and McCain (who is now being ordered how to bark and "sit" by the same Rove-clones he recently despised).

The campaign staff mirrors the leader. And Obama is the leader of this disciplined organization that has a budget of hundreds of millions and thousands of workers.

That shows how he delegates and how he demands they carry themselves.

That and judgment is what being a leader is all about.

LMAO !!!! another fool blinded by Obamas speach writers.. i'm from Obamas home state and you cannot find anyone here who can name anything he has done.. yes he gives Great speeches. "change you can believe in" what a Joke. he can say all he wants now about how he was against the war in Iraq at that time, but he wasnt in the us senate then.. and since he has been in the senate look at his VOTING RECORD. he has voted to APPROVE Every Single bill on Iraq.. Obama Voted FOR TAX Breaks to the OIL Companys while McCain Voted AGAINST THEM ! Obama has ZERO Foriegn Policy Experience. oh i forget you think his father being from Kenya and going there to visit some relatives is Experience.. "Change we can believe in" is his claim and for VP he stays with the status Quo and picks a Washington Insider Sen. Joe Bidden from Delaware. if he wants to claim he stands for change then he should pick a VP from OUTSIDE of washington, not one who has been there for 35 years talk about your washington insiders !

Lovingreen
08-25-2008, 12:00 PM
It all comes down to what kind of country do you want for your kids and grandkids. How important is freedom? How much of our lives do we want run by our government? Every year it seems the government grows larger and larger and controls more and more. The promise of a limited government and a free people is growing dimmer. Every time I vote I look for the candidate that best matches my ideals. I am scared to death for the future of the country right now. That is why I will vote as conservative as I can.

The biggest problem we have right now is a soundbite culture. I urge everyone to please pay more attention....read, listen, and watch everything you can before you make up your mind on an issue. The presidential race gets attention, but the congress has all the power. Really watch what congress is passing especially if the bill seems harmless. Its crazy what is thrown into bills that has nothing to do with the bill.

Bottom line...government grows because of greed and power. We as a people need to stand up and say enough is enough.

ExcaliburLawnCare
08-25-2008, 12:24 PM
Obama as a Community Organizer was able to organize communities with community organization!

He proposes changes that we can begin to change.

He has beliefs that we can believe in.

Hope that we can hope for.

And by looking back at the past we can position ourselves to look forward to the future.

Who else brings this kind of experience to the table.


LOL...all these platitudes really can bring us where we need to be?
WRONG...

OBAMA...FTL

S man
08-25-2008, 10:52 PM
Obama Never did one thing since he has been in the senate, he HASNT EVEN FINISHED ONE TERM YET !!!! WHY would you vote for him. tell me just ONE THING He Has Done . Nothing. so yes if you want someone who has No Experience and hasn't done anything then by all means vote for Obama. if you want someone who got his a$$ handed to him in the last debate then vote for Obama. during the debate his favorite saying was UH UH UH. i'm a lifelong Democrat but there is just no way in the world i can vote for Obama, let him get some experience first then maybe. but for right now he has ZERO Qualifications to be president

Listen to sean hanity. He asks people all the time what has osama done? And no one can think of one REAL thing he has accomplished.

TomberLawn
08-26-2008, 06:41 AM
Listen to sean hanity. He asks people all the time what has osama done? And no one can think of one REAL thing he has accomplished.

Sunday night, he asked Kirten Powers (democratic strategist and Fox contributor) to name 3 things Barack has done. She said he had good judgment and cited being against the Iraq war, which is debatable. Sean Hannity asked her if being friends with terrorist William Ayers and going to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years was good judgment. She sheepishly admitted, "well, no, I don't think so."

And now, Barack's equating the war in Iraq to Russia's invasion of Georgia! He said we don't have much room to talk about Russian aggression when we're doing the same things they are. How pathetic! We invaded Iraq to remove a dictator who had violated 17 UN resolutions and WAS holding weapons of mass destruction. Think about it--if Saddam had nothing to hide, why wouldn't he let the UN inspectors look around? Russia, a communist aggressor, invaded Georgia, a democratic sovereign nation. Very different situation, Mr. Obama. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "Don't be a pinhead!"

JKUCSMA
08-26-2008, 09:01 AM
Hmm,no weapons of mass distruction,he did allow weapons inspections,we were lied to,and invaded a sovereign country,are we any different than Russia.I don't like Obama,but it's him or McBush,I might not vote fo the virst time in 39 years.

Charles
08-26-2008, 09:17 AM
Listen to sean hanity. He asks people all the time what has osama done? And no one can think of one REAL thing he has accomplished.

Just what had W "done" before he became King? Sean Hammity sure pushed for W to be elected
What had Ronald Reagan "done" before becoming Prez? He was a actor and then a Governor. Thats about it.
Clinton was just a young governor before.....
WE can only hope once these people get in office they appoint qualified people who do know what they are doing. Something W didn't do ie See how "Brownie" involvement in the Katrina debacle etc

bugpage
08-26-2008, 11:40 AM
Hmm,no weapons of mass distruction,he did allow weapons inspections,we were lied to,and invaded a sovereign country,are we any different than Russia.I don't like Obama,but it's him or McBush,I might not vote fo the virst time in 39 years.

I hear ya. It seems that as time rolls forward i find myself never liking the candidates that we are given to vote for. i truely would like a bunch of candidates to run, like before primaries, and then they are all on the ballet and we can pick from many - not 2.

JKUCSMA
08-26-2008, 11:58 AM
Yeah,a sad note indeed.

M RASCOE&SONS
08-29-2008, 09:47 PM
vote for me and i will put a new zero turn on all your trailers with a colection system,vote for me and gas is 1/2 off for all landscapers,vote for me and i will bring all are boys home by xmas and send back W to work on diplomacy with the towel heads..amen

TomberLawn
08-29-2008, 11:00 PM
Governor Palin for President!!! Or at least VP. This is an excellent choice for VP. The McCain campaign showed great strategy coming out with a complete shocker right after Barack Hussein Obama's spectacle last night. Nobody was talking about his speech today, except to point out some non-factual or misrepresented information. Gov. Palin is just what John McCain and the whole Republican party needs to get energized. Before today, no one knew her, but everybody knows her now. I am very excited to see a lifetime NRA member, Pro-Life, ethics/reform minded conservative on the Republican ticket. After McCain's performance at Saddleback, and now Gov. Palin, there is a sharp distinction between the two choices for President.

I find it interesting that the Obama campaign chided Palin's "lack of experience." Barack has been in elected office for 12 years, and none of that has been in executive form. Palin has had political experience since 1992, including being governor of the state of Alaska. Being governor, the chief executive of a state, is much more demanding than being a senator listening to speeches and voting once in a while. Barack Hussein Obama has only been present for about 140 working days in the Senate. For over a year, he's been out campaigning, not doing a thing for his Illinois constituents who voted for him.

Mowbizz
08-30-2008, 09:48 AM
Governor Palin for President!!! Or at least VP. This is an excellent choice for VP. The McCain campaign showed great strategy coming out with a complete shocker right after Barack Hussein Obama's spectacle last night. Nobody was talking about his speech today, except to point out some non-factual or misrepresented information. Gov. Palin is just what John McCain and the whole Republican party needs to get energized. Before today, no one knew her, but everybody knows her now. I am very excited to see a lifetime NRA member, Pro-Life, ethics/reform minded conservative on the Republican ticket. After McCain's performance at Saddleback, and now Gov. Palin, there is a sharp distinction between the two choices for President.

I find it interesting that the Obama campaign chided Palin's "lack of experience." Barack has been in elected office for 12 years, and none of that has been in executive form. Palin has had political experience since 1992, including being governor of the state of Alaska. Being governor, the chief executive of a state, is much more demanding than being a senator listening to speeches and voting once in a while. Barack Hussein Obama has only been present for about 140 working days in the Senate. For over a year, he's been out campaigning, not doing a thing for his Illinois constituents who voted for him.

Hear Hear!!
Well said and this VP choice means that the republican party now has a great advantage in the election. (great move McCain!) Gov Palin will energize the party and bring thousands of women into the fold who are on the fence about voting. My choice is made...no "hussein" leading our country...and his running mate (biden) has been called a loudmouth, boisterous, washington insider...just what obama needs to be able to function as president.

MileHigh
08-30-2008, 10:02 AM
Why in the hell do you guys want another 4 years of Bush?..Mccains policies are the same as bushes only he has a temper.

I hope you guys remember how our country was after our last democrat left office in 2000, America was thriving, and number one..now were nowhere close to being the looked upon LEADERS in the world. Why is that?..it's cause the Republicans have had the presidency and senate over the last 8 years...

In the last 8 years Republicans have taken our national debt from 4 Trillion dollars where Clinton left it at to over 13 TRILLION DOLLARS....thanks a lot bush.

MCCAIN WILL DO WORSE FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE WILL START A WAR WITH IRAN...(SEE THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT THEM) WHICH IN TURN WILL START A WAR WITH THERE GREAT ALLIES RUSSIA...WHO HAVE THERE GREAT ALLIES IN CHINA...AND WHAT DO YOU NOW....

WW3....VOTE REPUBLICAN IF YOU WANT TO REINACT THE DRAFT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR KIDS GO OUT IN SOME SENSELESS WAR FIGHTING FOR SOME ******, NOT OUR COUNTRY NAMED MCCAIN. MARK MY WORDS.

Tscape
08-30-2008, 10:36 AM
McCain.

Here is the basic reason why: In Obama's acceptance speech he made reference to the person born into poverty and scoffed at the notion that this person was simply left to "pull himself up by his bootstraps". His point was that it was government's job to help these people. It is not! When governments collect money from their citizens and redistribute it to them based on their need, well we call that communism folks. I would like to control my own money and give to charities that I see as worthy.

dougmartin2003
08-31-2008, 06:25 PM
when you go to the polls in november just remember there are 2 piles of sh!t to vote for. im voting for the 1 pile that doesnt smell the worst

TomberLawn
08-31-2008, 11:18 PM
Why is Barack Hussein Obama so anxious to meet with rogue leaders, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (the president of Iran), but he wouldn't agree to meet with John McCain at any of the ten proposed town hall debates? If he can't face his own countrymen who disagree with his policies, how can he begin to think about meeting with someone who denies the Holocaust and openly threatens Israel?

S man
08-31-2008, 11:33 PM
Why in the hell do you guys want another 4 years of Bush?..Mccains policies are the same as bushes only he has a temper.

I hope you guys remember how our country was after our last democrat left office in 2000, America was thriving, and number one..now were nowhere close to being the looked upon LEADERS in the world. Why is that?..it's cause the Republicans have had the presidency and senate over the last 8 years...

In the last 8 years Republicans have taken our national debt from 4 Trillion dollars where Clinton left it at to over 13 TRILLION DOLLARS....thanks a lot bush.

MCCAIN WILL DO WORSE FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE WILL START A WAR WITH IRAN...(SEE THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT THEM) WHICH IN TURN WILL START A WAR WITH THERE GREAT ALLIES RUSSIA...WHO HAVE THERE GREAT ALLIES IN CHINA...AND WHAT DO YOU NOW....

WW3....VOTE REPUBLICAN IF YOU WANT TO REINACT THE DRAFT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR KIDS GO OUT IN SOME SENSELESS WAR FIGHTING FOR SOME ******, NOT OUR COUNTRY NAMED MCCAIN. MARK MY WORDS.

As Mark Levin would say, let me educate you. The country was great under clinton because of the work the great ronald reagan did in his administration and after when bush senior was in office. When clinton left office he left his democratic mess for bush junior to deal with. When you raise taxes, create more government programs, and cut spending in crucial areas like the military which he hates you will have problems. That's why everything is a mess now. Not because of Bush. We need lower taxes less government and our own oil now and this country can start moving in the right direction. That's why my vote is for McCain. Obama is a flat out communist and would be apalling to let that dirtbag anywhere near the white house.

Castermmt
09-01-2008, 08:24 PM
Obama is someone who at least is promoting a change in the way business is done in Washington. If that alone is what he does then I support him. As for the experience factor, experience at what? The same old **** in Washington? The same old war? The same old bad free trade deals? The experience in taking money from lobbyist? The experience you speak of is the problem! We need a major change in the way our country is run. All the wars and the bad free trade deals need to be stopped and our country needs to recover it's manufacturing base in order to return this great country to the people not big business. Shoot the lobbyist and force the elected representatives to represent us not them. I'm a veteran as well and just because McBush is a veteran makes him no more qualified then anyone else. Obama 08! Vote for change!

Castermmt
09-01-2008, 08:25 PM
John McCain -- 61 Flip-Flops and Counting

By Steve Benen, a freelance writer and editor of The Carpetbagger Report.

McCain argues that flip-flops are an example of a political leader who can't be trusted -- so he might as well drop out of the race.

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting water boarding.

5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.

16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

22. He argued that the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. before he supported it.

28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

Economic Policy

31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.

33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling; now he's against it.

40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to be voluntary.

42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

Immigration Policy

44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.

48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

Politics and Associations

53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't.

54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.

55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.

56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the honorary co-chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

And while I realize there are some who believe these constant flip-flops are irrelevant, I respectfully disagree.

bare spot
09-02-2008, 04:11 AM
Governor Palin for President!!! Or at least VP. This is an excellent choice for VP. The McCain campaign showed great strategy coming out with a complete shocker right after Barack Hussein Obama's spectacle last night. Nobody was talking about his speech today, except to point out some non-factual or misrepresented information. Gov. Palin is just what John McCain and the whole Republican party needs to get energized. Before today, no one knew her, but everybody knows her now. I am very excited to see a lifetime NRA member, Pro-Life, ethics/reform minded conservative on the Republican ticket. After McCain's performance at Saddleback, and now Gov. Palin, there is a sharp distinction between the two choices for President.

I find it interesting that the Obama campaign chided Palin's "lack of experience." Barack has been in elected office for 12 years, and none of that has been in executive form. Palin has had political experience since 1992, including being governor of the state of Alaska. Being governor, the chief executive of a state, is much more demanding than being a senator listening to speeches and voting once in a while. Barack Hussein Obama has only been present for about 140 working days in the Senate. For over a year, he's been out campaigning, not doing a thing for his Illinois constituents who voted for him.
whats her foriengn policy, does she have one, if no policy don't u think it would be good to question them like obama has been? she is a heart beat away from pres if elected or does she get free pass?

DiyDave
09-02-2008, 06:11 AM
Castor oil-give me 10 specific things that Obama Bin Biden will change!

Tscape
09-02-2008, 05:03 PM
whats her foriengn policy, does she have one, if no policy don't u think it would be good to question them like obama has been? she is a heart beat away from pres if elected or does she get free pass?

What's Obama's foreign policy? He talks a lot about what he wouldn't have done, but what's his experience? Nada, that's what.

You want change? Palin is a proven reformer. And not just little stuff that doesn't matter. She took on Exxon Mobil which is larger than many foreign countries and made them comply with her initiative. A heartbeat away from the presidency with her, or just vote Obama in and that fool will have the presidency. I'll take the former and fear the latter.

DiyDave
09-02-2008, 05:46 PM
I'll make it easier on you, can you give me 7 things Obama Bin Biden will change?:usflag:

TomberLawn
09-02-2008, 06:54 PM
Obama is someone who at least is promoting a change in the way business is done in Washington. If that alone is what he does then I support him.

Change, change, change...do you know what kind of change? I can go from eating steak to bologna. That's a change. I can move from a nice home to a highway underpass. That's a change. Is it change for the better? No.

So Barack wants to change the way business is done in Washington. Good. How is he going to change it? What will Washington look like? You know, we could elect Osama Bin Laden, and he would change Washington and the whole country to Islamo-fascism, with sharia law ruling the land. That would be a change. Change, for the sake of change, does not make since. Change for the better is smart. But Barack Hussein Obama has no ideas that will better this country. In fact, the plans and policies he speaks of will destroy the country. High taxes, big government, weak military...it all adds up to the end of the American age. Some people want America to diminish on the world scene, because they feel we are a "downright mean country." America is the largest giver of humanitarian aid to the world. If we go down, so does every country that depends on us to give them a hand.

JKUCSMA
09-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Nothing will change till be quit reelecting all the old geezers in the congress.McCain=Bush=bad.

bare spot
09-02-2008, 10:27 PM
Nothing will change till be quit reelecting all the old geezers in the congress.McCain=Bush=bad.
am i wrong or does the vp pick seam like the female version of w (a uniter not a divider).

TomberLawn
09-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Nothing will change till be quit reelecting all the old geezers in the congress.

Biden has been there longer than McCain.

JKUCSMA
09-03-2008, 05:04 AM
McCain is old though,and theres something strange about him,can't quite get my finger on it.Maybe a no vote year for me.

DiyDave
09-03-2008, 07:00 PM
Castor oil, I'll make it easier on you, howsabout 5 things that Obama Bin Biden will change? Hello... hello, crickets chirping here...:sleeping:

Tscape
09-03-2008, 09:50 PM
McCain is old though,and theres something strange about him,can't quite get my finger on it.Maybe a no vote year for me.

Maybe you think he's funny looking because his arms were broken when he was shot down in Nam. His captors beat him and refused him proper medical care for years. They also busted his teeth out at the gumline, so his smile is kind of wierd. Vote for Obama, he's a fine specimen.:rolleyes:

TomberLawn
09-03-2008, 11:39 PM
Maybe you think he's funny looking because his arms were broken when he was shot down in Nam. His captors beat him and refused him proper medical care for years. They also busted his teeth out at the gumline, so his smile is kind of wierd. Vote for Obama, he's a fine specimen.:rolleyes:

I heard Senator Fred Thompson's speech at the Republican Convention last night. I had never heard the details of John McCain's POW experience. All I can say is "Wow, how is that man still living after all that torture?" I'll admit, I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, even though he had pretty much already won by the time the NC primary occurred. After hearing his story, seeing him give clear cut, "straight talk" answers at Saddleback, and seeing his VP pick of Gov. Sarah Palin, I am very pleased to have John Sydney McCain as my party's nominee for President of the United States of America.

S man
09-04-2008, 12:50 AM
I heard Senator Fred Thompson's speech at the Republican Convention last night. I had never heard the details of John McCain's POW experience. All I can say is "Wow, how is that man still living after all that torture?" I'll admit, I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, even though he had pretty much already won by the time the NC primary occurred. After hearing his story, seeing him give clear cut, "straight talk" answers at Saddleback, and seeing his VP pick of Gov. Sarah Palin, I am very pleased to have John Sydney McCain as my party's nominee for President of the United States of America.

I loved giuliani and palin's speeches tonight! Even the liberal media pundits admitted the dems are going to in for a fight in November. That guy wolfson obama's campaign manager I think he even said Biden better bring his a game to the debate. This is going to be an interesting and very lively election!!!

JKUCSMA
09-04-2008, 04:28 AM
I heard Senator Fred Thompson's speech at the Republican Convention last night. I had never heard the details of John McCain's POW experience. All I can say is "Wow, how is that man still living after all that torture?" I'll admit, I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, even though he had pretty much already won by the time the NC primary occurred. After hearing his story, seeing him give clear cut, "straight talk" answers at Saddleback, and seeing his VP pick of Gov. Sarah Palin, I am very pleased to have John Sydney McCain as my party's nominee for President of the United States of America.

No,I have the all the respect in the world for his duty to his country,but that doesn't make him a good choice for pres.

DiyDave
09-04-2008, 06:04 AM
^Wow he's like a democratic talking points barbie doll, pull the string, listen to the same six or seven phrases! military service means nothing, we can't drill our way out, is she ready on day one, she should stay at home and take care of her family, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum !:sleeping:

irrig8r
09-04-2008, 03:36 PM
No,I have the all the respect in the world for his duty to his country,but that doesn't make him a good choice for pres.

Agreed.

And Sarah Palin made a convincing acceptance speech last night.

But I heard today that despite her saying she didn't want the "bridge to nowhere" that she kept the $232 million dollar earmark, and that the $38 million road that would have gone to the bridge is still being built.

Also, she said last night that "special needs" kids' parents would have a friend in Washington, when she cut Alaska's budget for them by 62%.

And she's under investigation for something to do with meddling with personnel records of her former brother-in-law who was a state trooper...

I smell hypocrisy and political sleaze, not a breath of fresh air.

I'm not saying any of the others are clean... McCain with his Keating Five history... Obama with his idiot pastor, his friendship with sixties radical Ayers, and that real estate deal... and Biden with his work on behalf of credit card companies interests in the bankruptcy law changes...

They're all tainted. It's the nature of politics I guess.

And though I won't vote for either, I would like to hear a real debate, with Bob Barr and Ralph Nader included.

saylorsdad
09-04-2008, 03:44 PM
for me its an easy vote obama. Mcain will lower taxer for everyone except middle/lower class. Rich continue to get richer under republican same old same old. Plus social security will go away under another repub they want to privatize something that isn't making money for the government. Well guess what it isn't susposed to make money it is a savings plan designed for us not them.

DiyDave
09-04-2008, 05:25 PM
^ why don't you make your own savings plan^ and not have to depend on the idiots in Washington? Castor oil you still haven't responded, I guess you crawled back into your hole at the daily kook, or wherever it is that you came from!:laugh::laugh:

P&C Lawn Care
09-04-2008, 09:23 PM
I am very proud that I live in a country where we still have free elections and can vote for who ever who we want to. Thank you to all the Americans who gave their lives for our freedoms and all the veterans who served their country proudly.

Whether you vote for Obama or McCain is your choice, but please don't vote for a certain one because of his political party, his or her gender or because of their race. Once your in the voting booth there is only one person who knows who you voted for and that person you can see in a mirror every day. You can tell your friends, relatives, social groups what ever you want once you vote, just please exercise your right to a free election and VOTE!

Everyone wants to see this country do better. We all want our economy to improve. Yes we all want a change. Obama and McCain both agree that things need to change in Washington. But remember there are good changes and bad changes. Adolph Hitler was a change for Germany. Be careful what you wish for. A government that controls the people is socialism, let the people control the government like our republic.

Just a few thoughts I have.
Do you really think just taxing the rich or big business will benefit you? If they pay more taxes then this just rolls downhill to you the consumer and you end up paying more. When business make money (and not have to pay large taxes) they invest this in growth which equals jobs and better pay.

Islamic terrorists. Ever wonder why they call them terrorists? Not insurgents or whatever little name we give them to not offend them, Terror-ists. They don't care how nice of a guy you are or how sweet your kids and family may be. They don't care to talk things out or work out a peace plan. They are not into hugs and kisses. They want you (An Infidel) and your family (also Infidels) DEAD unless you submit to their ways.

China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and once again Russia would love to see his country topple or at least rule over us. The United Nations is a joke.

We need to secure our borders and protect our families.

We don't need anymore government handouts or programs for people who won't help themselves.

Adolph Hitler once said "How fortunate for great leaders that men don't think".

Please think carefully before you elect a leader to run this country. They will either run this country or ruin it. Its your choice. Every American Man, Woman and Child will be affected by the decision you make.

unityroad
09-04-2008, 10:08 PM
I allways vote for the party that freed the slaves...........

Saltydawg
09-05-2008, 12:36 AM
There is only one ticket in this race with any record of actually being able to deliver any of what they promise, McCain/Palin.

Tscape
09-05-2008, 03:45 AM
No,I have the all the respect in the world for his duty to his country,but that doesn't make him a good choice for pres.

Yes, it does.

JKUCSMA
09-05-2008, 05:21 AM
I don't vote party lines,I try and pick who's best,but this one is gonna be tough.Bush has our country so far in debt,your grandkids will be paying for it,it only stands to reason we can't survive another 4 years of that,will be owned by Communist china,Obama scares me,he reminds me of a Evangelist preacher saying he will fix everything,there is no easy or fast fix.Good Luck picking somebody.

Tscape
09-05-2008, 09:22 PM
If you would listen to McCain, he is telling you he would not carry on the same economic policies as Bush. This (and Rumsfeld) has been the hottest issue between the 2. Do you know what pork barreling is? A rider on a bill that has nothing to do with the bill, but in order to secure a vote for the bill the sponsor agrees to add the members rider, which is inevitably some stupid money that goes to some stupid special interest in that members constituency. By the time the bill gets all the riders attached, it is more about all those stupid little items than the original point of the law. McCain said he will veto any bills like that which should come across his desk. This is one hell of a fight brewing. McCain would win it and change the way congress operates.That is fiscal responsibility-straight talk!

And how about the 700 billion he would cut in foreign aid? If you didn't hear that, you were just plain not listening.

TomberLawn
09-05-2008, 11:44 PM
Good post, Tscape. I get sick of hearing people say McCain is Bush 3, McBush, McSame, all that lame stuff. If anybody is not George Bush, it's John McCain. I've read McCain's economic plans and they look good. Between Barack Hussein Obama and John McCain, you have two stark differences in approach to strengthening the economy: Obama wants to raise taxes to redistribute wealth through government programs and bureaucracy; McCain wants to lower taxes AND government spending so that private businesses have more money to hire employees, provide better benefits, and be more productive. McCain did not support Bush's tax cuts when they first came to the Senate because there was not a reduction in spending. He knew what would happen--the deficit would go sky high.

Obama thinks that simply raising taxes is the best way to increase government revenue. On the contrary, raising taxes has had the opposite effect in previous years. Whenever there was a tax increase (1986), the economy was less productive and government revenue went down (44% drop). Whenever there was a tax decrease (1981, 1997, 2003), businesses expanded, hired employees, invested in new technology, and the government's revenue increased (more than 49%) as a result of more productivity.

Obama keeps saying that John McCain voted with President Bush 90% of the time. If you looked at the voting record, you would probably see that Barack Hussein Obama voted with President Bush almost as often, for the short time he was actually in the Senate and not campaigning for President. Most of what the "Do Nothing" Congress does is fluff, like congratulating college football teams for winning a tournament, renaming a post office after a local hero in some small town, or honoring the life of some public servant.

McCain and Palin are both maverick reformers who are not afraid to challenge even their own party members. Each has a history of doing this. As Fred Thompson said about Palin and McCain, "When she and John McCain get to Washington, they're not going to care how much the alligators get irritated -- they're going to drain that swamp." McCain has said over and over that any "pork" that comes across his desk will be vetoed and as for the writers of the bill, "I will make them famous." Not only will he not sign off on wasting spending, he'll let the country know who is trying to steal tax dollars to buy votes in the Senate.

GravelyNut
09-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Why in the hell do you guys want another 4 years of Bush?..Mccains policies are the same as bushes only he has a temper.

I hope you guys remember how our country was after our last democrat left office in 2000, America was thriving, and number one..now were nowhere close to being the looked upon LEADERS in the world. Why is that?..it's cause the Republicans have had the presidency and senate over the last 8 years...

In the last 8 years Republicans have taken our national debt from 4 Trillion dollars where Clinton left it at to over 13 TRILLION DOLLARS....thanks a lot bush.

MCCAIN WILL DO WORSE FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE WILL START A WAR WITH IRAN...(SEE THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT THEM) WHICH IN TURN WILL START A WAR WITH THERE GREAT ALLIES RUSSIA...WHO HAVE THERE GREAT ALLIES IN CHINA...AND WHAT DO YOU NOW....

WW3....VOTE REPUBLICAN IF YOU WANT TO REINACT THE DRAFT TO HAVE ALL OF OUR KIDS GO OUT IN SOME SENSELESS WAR FIGHTING FOR SOME ******, NOT OUR COUNTRY NAMED MCCAIN. MARK MY WORDS.

First off, you need to do a little history work. Clinton the Impeached left office in Jan 2001. By the time he left office, the country had already taken a downturn in the economy. That started in July of 2000.

obama voted for tax breaks for big oil, McCain voted against.

McCain will admit that he would use the military if need be to control Iran. obama won't say that he wouldn't also. But also won't say that he would. Weasel point for obama.

China can't afford to start a war with the US. Why? Because it would kill their economy.

Even the Arab League has called for the US military not to pull out of Iraq until the police, army, judicial, system, and schools are all functioning properly.

obama and the Dems have already kicked around the idea of a draft. So by your thinking, either way we would get a draft. No points for either side then.

obama would go to bed with rogue nations, McCain would stand up to them. Look at the case of Georgia vs Russia for a clue who's got the right ideas. Some of us have lived through the cold war in places close to Russia/Cuba and don't want to have to fight that fight over again. Appeasement never has worked. Only a big stick works.

Remember this, obama has no record except with who he chose to hang around with. One Mayor who is anti-gun. A priest who advocates killing a legally run business owner. A minister who curses America. A soon to be imprisoned felon. A founder of Weather Underground which is as radical a group as could be. A group that would be called a terrorist group nowdays.

Thanks, but NO THANKS! I'll be voting for McCain/Palin in November. Even though I didn't vote for McCain in the primary. :usflag: vs *trucewhiteflag*

GravelyNut
09-06-2008, 11:20 PM
... As Fred Thompson said about Palin and McCain, "When she and John McCain get to Washington, they're not going to care how much the alligators get irritated -- they're going to drain that swamp." .... I like irritated gators. They're tasty when deep fat fried. :D

TomberLawn
09-06-2008, 11:43 PM
Excellent posts, GravelyNut. I saw a quote somewhere that if people looked at history, Republicans would never win. Actually, the exact opposite is true. Appeasement didn't work with Hitler. Tax hikes don't grow the economy or increase government revenue. Socialism doesn't work. Why would anyone vote for a standard-issue liberal Democrat?

I wasn't alive during the Carter administration (I was born just before the great Ronald Reagan left office), but my parents were married and trying to get established, building a house and what not. My dad says a better comparison than McCain being a Bush 3 is Obama being Carter's second term. High taxes, high inflation, weak foreign policy...the list goes on. Obama says he wants change. Yeah, change back to the 1970s. That would be a change.

S man
09-07-2008, 12:54 AM
Excellent posts, GravelyNut. I saw a quote somewhere that if people looked at history, Republicans would never win. Actually, the exact opposite is true. Appeasement didn't work with Hitler. Tax hikes don't grow the economy or increase government revenue. Socialism doesn't work. Why would anyone vote for a standard-issue liberal Democrat?

I wasn't alive during the Carter administration (I was born just before the great Ronald Reagan left office), but my parents were married and trying to get established, building a house and what not. My dad says a better comparison than McCain being a Bush 3 is Obama being Carter's second term. High taxes, high inflation, weak foreign policy...the list goes on. Obama says he wants change. Yeah, change back to the 1970s. That would be a change.

Agreed tomber! But the biased liberal media do all they can to not let the american people know the truth. That really pisses me off. That's why I only watch fox news. cnn and msnbc just look liberal. That wolf shitzer guy on cnn doesn't like it when he's talking to a republican and they talk about all the stuff obama wants to do. He gets quiet and either cuts them off or backs up obama.

TomberLawn
09-07-2008, 08:25 AM
Fox News is the most powerful name in news, and the most trusted. That's the only cable news I watch. The liberals claim they are right-wing biased and hate O'Reilly and Hannity, but Hannity is supposed to be conservative since he has Alan Colmes to balance out the liberals (even though Sean is way smarter than Alan, so it's not that balanced--at least they get equal time on TV). Even Hillary's campaign people, and Hillary herself, admitted that they were treated more fairly by Fox than any other media company.

saylorsdad
09-07-2008, 03:32 PM
if mcain is such a rebel why is he jst now after 20 years in washington breaking w republicans? what about palin spending money for the bridge to nowhere until she didnt get anymore then suddenly shes against it cutting pork my a**. their friends will be just as rich as bush/cheeney in 4 years if voted into office.

Dave_005
09-07-2008, 04:31 PM
I'm a life long Democrat and also from obamas home state of Illinois.. but this year i am voting for the ONLY candidate with Any Experience. McCain in 08' 4 terms in the Senate, armed services comittee, and HAS Foriegn policy experience, VP Sarah Palin, Mayor of Wasilla AK, GOVERNOR of Alaska BOTH give her EXECTUTIVE EXPERIENCE ! now for those who like obama.. he is a FIRST term senator has been in the senate for 4 years but spent the last two of those campaigning for President, Has done NOTHING since he has been in the Senate, Has not written a Single bill of his own, has ZERO Foriegn Policy Experience, has ZERO Exectutive Experience. his ONLY good point he gives good speeches. HIS VP Sentator Joe Biden an Entrenched Washington insider with 35 years in the Senate, some foriegn policy experience, but still No Exectutive Experience.. Neither has any military experience. while military service isnt a requirement for president. i dont believe a President or anyone else should ask others to do something they wont do themselves. so what gives obama the right to send our military into a combat zone if neither him or his VP has been willing to serve a single enlistment in the military, for the First time in my life the choice this year is VERY EASY !!! John McCain All The Way !!!!

JKUCSMA
09-07-2008, 04:48 PM
I'am done,you guys are little business people who will get hurt by McCain,but vote for whoever it really don't matter to me.

DiyDave
09-07-2008, 06:42 PM
^^^ good to see that you have come around to a logical way of thinking! To those who say that obammy has accomplished something, I'd say look at Chicago, now doesn't that look like a community that's organized?:laugh::laugh:

Tscape
09-07-2008, 07:50 PM
if mcain is such a rebel why is he jst now after 20 years in washington breaking w republicans?

He broke with Reagan in 82 about putting Marines in Beirut. He was against Bush's tax cuts because they didn't cut spending. He was an ardent critic of Rumsfeld. I know you won't hear this, but McCain has been a maverick for almost 30 years in the senate. That is why his time has been so long in coming. His party hated him in 2000 and they squashed his nomination then in favor of Bush. There was a lot of talk about him actually becoming a Democrat at that time. The Republican party has changed quite a bit under Bush, as evidenced by the fact that McCain is their man in '08.

Get your facts straight, mister. Or don't and vote for Obama. It's going to be an interesting 2 months.

saylorsdad
09-08-2008, 12:14 AM
true that many small business people think big and vote for the repub but look at who gets tax break the big big business.
as for bidens experience bush called him for advice on 911.
also mcains senior advisor was lobbiest to country of georgia for years and you guys really think hes going to clean up washington? last but not least our first pres wouldnt serve again because the country needed a civilian leader not military man. hard to make peace when your adult like was spent making war.

TomberLawn
09-08-2008, 06:49 AM
McCain knows how terrible war is because he has been in active combat and seen men die. Neither Obama or Biden have that experience, so they don't have the deep sense of gravity about war that McCain does.

All businesses need tax breaks to help them grow and create jobs. Big businesses create a lot of jobs and require huge capital to expand. A lawn care company can grow by buying a $10,000 mower, but a large corporation may need many millions of dollars to build factories, warehouses, test labs, office buildings, etc. The millions that they spend will create hundreds or thousands of jobs. And those employees might be able to afford YOUR lawn care service. So it all works out to help everybody.

saylorsdad
09-08-2008, 10:31 AM
what you are referring to is trickle down economics, it hasn't been demonstrated in recent times. Look at gas companies they are posting record profits yet the net effect on our economy is not showing growth. Explain how giving them more tax breaks will create more jobs/lower cost of fuel.

JKUCSMA
09-08-2008, 11:02 AM
McCain knows how terrible war is because he has been in active combat and seen men die. Neither Obama or Biden have that experience, so they don't have the deep sense of gravity about war that McCain does.

All businesses need tax breaks to help them grow and create jobs. Big businesses create a lot of jobs and require huge capital to expand. A lawn care company can grow by buying a $10,000 mower, but a large corporation may need many millions of dollars to build factories, warehouses, test labs, office buildings, etc. The millions that they spend will create hundreds or thousands of jobs. And those employees might be able to afford YOUR lawn care service. So it all works out to help everybody.

Yeah,building them in China,sort of a long trip to cut grass.*trucewhiteflag*

saylorsdad
09-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Get your facts straight, mister. Or don't and vote for Obama. It's going to be an interesting 2 months.

OK watch the tone easy to get a flame war started. Mcain has been in the business of politics for a LONG time and there are only a handfull of things he can list as being a Maverick! If he were as much of a Maverick as he's being made out to be hell I doubt he would have to even defend the fact that he's voted for bush 90% of the time.

By the way yes I'm "mister you referred to" a Democrat, Married 10 years with 2 kids, former Marine 0311, tote a gun, school teacher "BS and MEd. with 209 hours of college", Cut Grass, and Go-to church. Not the sterotypical Democrat from Cali or uneducated punk on forums. But I remember history and it seems that the Great Depression was started by Republicans and I don't want to go back. Seems the "big oil drill here drill now" republicans are pushing us back as fast and as hard as we'll let them.

GravelyNut
09-09-2008, 08:31 AM
what you are referring to is trickle down economics, it hasn't been demonstrated in recent times. Look at gas companies they are posting record profits yet the net effect on our economy is not showing growth. Explain how giving them more tax breaks will create more jobs/lower cost of fuel.

Shall we point out who voted for the tax break to oil? It wasn't McCain, it was obama. But even at that, big oil makes 8%. Most companies don't survive at that low a return. Stockholders leave when the companies make under 10%.

GravelyNut
09-09-2008, 08:35 AM
OK watch the tone easy to get a flame war started. Mcain has been in the business of politics for a LONG time and there are only a handfull of things he can list as being a Maverick! If he were as much of a Maverick as he's being made out to be hell I doubt he would have to even defend the fact that he's voted for bush 90% of the time.

By the way yes I'm "mister you referred to" a Democrat, Married 10 years with 2 kids, former Marine 0311, tote a gun, school teacher "BS and MEd. with 209 hours of college", Cut Grass, and Go-to church. Not the sterotypical Democrat from Cali or uneducated punk on forums. But I remember history and it seems that the Great Depression was started by Republicans and I don't want to go back. Seems the "big oil drill here drill now" republicans are pushing us back as fast and as hard as we'll let them.

How many times did obama vote with Bush? Wait, how many times did he actually vote?

GravelyNut
09-09-2008, 08:43 AM
I'am done,you guys are little business people who will get hurt by McCain,but vote for whoever it really don't matter to me.
Does your little business make $250k or more a year? If so it will get bigger taxes under obama. That means the local mower dealer who has 5 employees will have to pay more and therefore charge more. Therefore hurting the LCO's.

JKUCSMA
09-09-2008, 09:02 AM
McCain still thinks middle class is 5million and under,I don't know about you but I'll never make that so well pay the most taxes,and the rich will laugh and go about their ways.Watch the debates then maybe a better answer.

DiyDave
09-09-2008, 12:06 PM
JKUCSMA- I thought you gave up. If you would listen to the whole McCain quote, you would hear what the press is leaving out, that it was a joke! The humorless left strikes again!:laugh::laugh:

Dave_005
09-09-2008, 12:30 PM
what you are referring to is trickle down economics, it hasn't been demonstrated in recent times. Look at gas companies they are posting record profits yet the net effect on our economy is not showing growth. Explain how giving them more tax breaks will create more jobs/lower cost of fuel.

i can't believe anyone who likes obama whould bring up the issue of tax breaks for the oil and gas companys.... LOOK AT THE VOTING RECORDS !!! OBAMA Voted FOR THE TAX BREAKS and McCain Voted AGAINS'T THEM !

JKUCSMA
09-09-2008, 12:32 PM
I did give up till after the debates,but the post about building factories and jobs HERE was priceless,unless working at McDonalds and Chinamart are jobs.

saylorsdad
09-09-2008, 12:40 PM
Shall we point out who voted for the tax break to oil? It wasn't McCain, it was obama. But even at that, big oil makes 8%. Most companies don't survive at that low a return. Stockholders leave when the companies make under 10%.

Gas companies complain that they are being unfairly judged for making record profits due to the fact that they are making the same percent profit they always have, and they are far less "percentage wise" profitable than other companies.

Lets do some math to see if they are correct.
8% of 1.00 is 0.08
8% of 3.50 is 0.28

So on each gallon of gas they are making 0.28 cents seems pretty fair right? Now consider that for the same sale they were making fifteen years ago they are making 3.5 times the profit!

For those of you who were around mowing fifteen years ago are you charging 3.5 times as much as you were then?
If you did would you tell your customers that it's the same percent profit and keep them as a client?
My bet is you were charging about 20 bucks a yard fifteen years ago and are now charging at most on average 40 bucks a yard. If we raised our cost the same you would be charging on average 70 per yard. That's a huge difference.

Now as you said most people run when percent profit runs below 10, but that's for anything you can live without. We cannot currently continue with our business w/o gasoline. The government should regulate the industry better and this includes taxing record profits. If percent profits must decrease then so be it.

Green Machine Mowing
09-10-2008, 10:23 PM
i love how the republicans had no problem going 2 play in the middle east(as i call it the sand box) and now they ***** and moan when it comes to paying for it, or even better more tax cuts. how pissed do u think the dems r paying for a war that they knew was bs the whole time???

GravelyNut
09-11-2008, 01:26 AM
Gas companies complain that they are being unfairly judged for making record profits due to the fact that they are making the same percent profit they always have, and they are far less "percentage wise" profitable than other companies.

Lets do some math to see if they are correct.
8% of 1.00 is 0.08
8% of 3.50 is 0.28

So on each gallon of gas they are making 0.28 cents seems pretty fair right? Now consider that for the same sale they were making fifteen years ago they are making 3.5 times the profit!

For those of you who were around mowing fifteen years ago are you charging 3.5 times as much as you were then?
If you did would you tell your customers that it's the same percent profit and keep them as a client?
My bet is you were charging about 20 bucks a yard fifteen years ago and are now charging at most on average 40 bucks a yard. If we raised our cost the same you would be charging on average 70 per yard. That's a huge difference.

Now as you said most people run when percent profit runs below 10, but that's for anything you can live without. We cannot currently continue with our business w/o gasoline. The government should regulate the industry better and this includes taxing record profits. If percent profits must decrease then so be it.
Funny, that $1.00+/gallon point was reached 35 years ago. Gas crisis of 73. Now for that era to now ( if I were still working), $1.60/hr to $20+/hour. Starting in 78 brings it to $3.35/hr. So my pay went up nearly 7 times in the later example. Or $6.10/hr in 86 to $20+ now. About the same rate increase as gas prices.

AJ Lawnscapes
09-11-2008, 07:22 AM
Just my two cents, but....

I was in Illinois or Indiana on my way back on 70E to PA, stopped to fill up, and there on the pumps was a sticker telling me that 40c of the gallon was Taxes, and on the Diesel side was 65c in taxes.

The shop keep has got to make their money for selling the product and maintaining the pumps/inspections/tanks, etc, so figure in another 10-15c a gallon,

The way I look at it, the taxes are a Windfall Profit. The government has done NOTHING to Explore, Drill, Import/Export, Refine, Deliver or Pump it to receive that money. Not one thing. Nadda.

So instead of paying 3.15/gallon, I was paying 3.55/gallon. Factor in the shop keeps money and technically I should be paying 3.00 a gallon at that station.

At 4% Profit Margin, they are making 12c on the gallon. 3.00 x .04 = .12.
Even if it's at $1 a gallon before all the takes and shop keep money, they are still only making 4c a gallon.

Simple math.

What's your profit margin? Mines 50-100% when I do landscaping, and now that my equipment is paid off, the onlything I'm losing is Fuel. And my profit is still 75%.

Guess I'll have to pay a Windfall Tax on my Efficient Business That I WORK AT and PAY FOR.

saylorsdad
09-11-2008, 09:55 AM
I guess since you have overlooked the fact that education, roads, and bridges get the majority of their funding from gasoline tax. Heck our economy is built around gas. Our economy is not built around cutting grass.

Efficient business that's a laugh have you looked at how the other countries are spending our money? Try this site http://elementaryteacher.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/ski-in-dubai-largest-indoor-snow-park-in-the-world/. if you're democrat or republican the only oilman pushing for change right now is Boone Pickens

DA Quality Lawn & YS
09-11-2008, 02:10 PM
I don't know about some of you guys, but I have enjoyed the tax cuts Bush has put in place over his term. Some of the lowest rates in quite a while. AND, I am a middle class citizen with my wife - not part of the 'tax cuts for the rich' that the Dems deplore. One sure thing though - if Obama weasels into office, taxes will go up and not only for the rich but for the middle class as well (gotta pay for those programs). For instance, if you have any sort of stock investments (or any investments at all), you will see the gains and inc. tax rates increase under Dem control. Investments are not just for the rich, they are for you and me as well if you are prudent with your $$.

Its McCain for me I believe - I don't need the govt taxing me out of my money for their programs (many bogus). I will freely give of my money to deserving causes as I see fit.

GravelyNut
09-12-2008, 08:49 AM
I guess since you have overlooked the fact that education, roads, and bridges get the majority of their funding from gasoline tax. Heck our economy is built around gas. Our economy is not built around cutting grass.

Efficient business that's a laugh have you looked at how the other countries are spending our money? Try this site http://elementaryteacher.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/ski-in-dubai-largest-indoor-snow-park-in-the-world/. if you're democrat or republican the only oilman pushing for change right now is Boone Pickens
A fund that is broke due to the 98 balanced budget.

saylorsdad
09-12-2008, 01:33 PM
The budget in 98 was fine the Bush tax cuts for everything without a thought as to how on earth we're going to pay for anything is what the Republicans are now famous for. Fiscal responsibility is what republicans have championed for my entire voting life, but the Republicans haven't held up to their end of the bargin. Think bush borrowing money from china to give us a "economic stimulus". The democrats would have loved to vote that one down, but would have been political suicide so at times you have to go with what the "popular" thing to do is.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
09-12-2008, 04:54 PM
The budget in 98 was fine the Bush tax cuts for everything without a thought as to how on earth we're going to pay for anything is what the Republicans are now famous for. Fiscal responsibility is what republicans have championed for my entire voting life, but the Republicans haven't held up to their end of the bargin. Think bush borrowing money from china to give us a "economic stimulus". The democrats would have loved to vote that one down, but would have been political suicide so at times you have to go with what the "popular" thing to do is.

Fiscal responsibility for who? The tax cuts were very responsible for my family and many other middle class families like myself, who enjoy taking home more of their pay and enjoy investing without being taxed to death. Do you enjoy those things? Did you cash your econ stim. check? If you are so against it, why didn't you send it back to the govt (which I doubt you did). We invested ours, consider ourselves blessed to get it, and thank those responsible for it:usflag:

americanlawn
09-12-2008, 05:45 PM
Look at this...it will clear things up.

I had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine last night. He went on a 20 minute rant about why he should be the next President of the United States. He certainly made some good points. I asked him - who would you vote for - Obama or McCain - he insisted he would write in himself.

So here is my question, who would you vote for and why?

Obama
McCain
Yourself

GravelyNut
09-12-2008, 08:48 PM
The budget in 98 was fine the Bush tax cuts for everything without a thought as to how on earth we're going to pay for anything is what the Republicans are now famous for. Fiscal responsibility is what republicans have championed for my entire voting life, but the Republicans haven't held up to their end of the bargin. Think bush borrowing money from china to give us a "economic stimulus". The democrats would have loved to vote that one down, but would have been political suicide so at times you have to go with what the "popular" thing to do is.

Time to remind you of the fact that the economy started taking a dump in 2000, not 2001 after Bush was elected. July 2000 to be exact. Also the stock market hit its highest points ever under who? Bush.

And it was Clinton that borrowed the $8 billion from the highway fund to put in the general fund. The fund that is now broke. If Congress passes a bill and the President signs it, the buck stop with him. He could veto it. If Congress writes a bill and allows the President to do something, and he does, the buck stops with them. Like going to war in Iraq. If the President vetoes a bill, and Congress overrides it, the buck stops at Congress. So if the tax and spend Democrats get in the White House and control Congress, your taxes can be assured to rise. No matter what obama claims. Have the Republican done a good job in Congress? No. But I'd hate to see what would have happened by now if Kerry had been elected.

mdvaden
09-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Obama all the way!!!

Mccain's policies are worst than Bushes.

No way on Obama.

Obama is the human loudspeaker.

I started to like hearing him talk. Then over a few weeks, It became noticeable how he has to talk slow to formulate his speech, because he's orchestrating it in his mind. In other words, it's not merely his inner soul just flowing out.

Especially lately in some of the sit down interviews, his answers are slow and choppy.

Best I can tell, he has knowledge like many people have, but for integrity and morals and true patriotism, that man is an empty shell.

Did you hear the video clips showing how severely he would weaken US military stength regarding nuclear and useful weapons systems in the sky? Very alarming.

McCain is not who I wish was the nominee, but I'll vote for him.

saylorsdad
09-15-2008, 11:31 AM
How about some issues Taxes?, Abortion?, War?, Oil?, Health Care?, or Economy? How does Mcain differ on any of the big issues from Bush?

At what point will people start looking at issues and drop the whole. He won't meet me in town hall meetings crap so I'm going to run a negative ad.

Why should obama meet with mcain to help him get his republican message out?

Dave_005
09-15-2008, 12:31 PM
How about some issues Taxes?, Abortion?, War?, Oil?, Health Care?, or Economy? How does Mcain differ on any of the big issues from Bush?

At what point will people start looking at issues and drop the whole. He won't meet me in town hall meetings crap so I'm going to run a negative ad.

Why should obama meet with mcain to help him get his republican message out?

Ok... lets start with Taxes, Bush gave the OIL companys BIG Tax breaks and Obama Voted FOR THEM.. McCain Voted AGAINST them. 1 Point McCain .... Abortion ? McCain is Pro-Life and against abortion Except in the case of rape or incest. 2 Points McCain ! ... War ? McCain as a Combat Veteran and Former POW KNOWS ALL about the HORRORS of War and isnt likely to get us into a War by lieing like Bush Did... Obama has ZERO Military experience and should not ask others to do something he himself has refused to do..3 Points McCain !... OIL ? Again Obama voted FOR TAX CUTS For the Big Oil Companies and McCain voted AGAINST THEM ! 4 Points McCain !... Healthcare ? both have proposed generally the same basic coverage but neither has proposed Universal healthcare no points for either.. Economy?
Obama has 4 years in the Senate and spent the last 2 campaigning for President, has not written One bill of his own and has Voted FOR BUSH'S Tax cuts for the Oil Companies, is only a first term senator, has Zero Experience iat the Execitutve level of government, Has Zero Experience dealing with the Budget, and since he has been in the senate he has voted as PRESENT MORE times then he has voted for or agains't anything... McCain has 25 years expeiernce in the senate, has been on the military, veterans, ways and means, foriegn affairs comittees. and has a Wealth of EXPERIENCE OVER Obama.. POint McCain....... McCain 5 Obama 0... you want to talk issues and thier differances then try checking the voting records as well

saylorsdad
09-17-2008, 11:22 AM
Taxes
Obama: U.S. SenatorSaid his plan for tax relief to middle and working classes would help stabilize the economy; repeal the Bush tax cuts for households earning more than $250,000.
Mcain: Has said short-term plan is long-term plan: make the Bush tax cuts permanent; eliminate alternative minimum tax. Recently called for steps to reduce the price of gas in summer 2008.

Abortion
Obama: Supports Roe v. Wade; criticized Supreme Court decision that upheld ban on partial-birth abortions.
Mcain: Wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, but has been supportive in the past; supported Supreme Court decision that upheld ban on partial-birth abortions; "strict constructionist judges."

Healthcare
Obama: Require that all children have health insurance; pay for it by rolling back President Bush's tax cuts for households earning over $250,000; aims for universal coverage.
Mcain: For free-market, consumer-based system; has pledged affordable health care for every American without a mandate; says universal health care is possible without a tax increase.

Energy
Obama: Opposes gas tax holiday; supports taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic and offshore; supports ethanol subsidies; not a “proponent” of expanding nuclear power.
Mcain: Supports gas tax holiday; opposes taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic, supports offshore drilling; opposes ethanol subsidies; supports expanding nuclear power.

My count gives Obama the edge in taxes, healthcare, and energy

Roe vs Wade is touchy issue. But you can't flip flop on it as Mcain has. Either your are for it or against it. In the past he's been for it, now he's against it "trying to get votes".

all information comes from http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/energy.html

Dave_005
09-17-2008, 01:52 PM
Taxes
Obama: U.S. SenatorSaid his plan for tax relief to middle and working classes would help stabilize the economy; repeal the Bush tax cuts for households earning more than $250,000.
Mcain: Has said short-term plan is long-term plan: make the Bush tax cuts permanent; eliminate alternative minimum tax. Recently called for steps to reduce the price of gas in summer 2008.

Abortion
Obama: Supports Roe v. Wade; criticized Supreme Court decision that upheld ban on partial-birth abortions.
Mcain: Wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, but has been supportive in the past; supported Supreme Court decision that upheld ban on partial-birth abortions; "strict constructionist judges."

Healthcare
Obama: Require that all children have health insurance; pay for it by rolling back President Bush's tax cuts for households earning over $250,000; aims for universal coverage.
Mcain: For free-market, consumer-based system; has pledged affordable health care for every American without a mandate; says universal health care is possible without a tax increase.

Energy
Obama: Opposes gas tax holiday; supports taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic and offshore; supports ethanol subsidies; not a “proponent” of expanding nuclear power.
Mcain: Supports gas tax holiday; opposes taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic, supports offshore drilling; opposes ethanol subsidies; supports expanding nuclear power.

My count gives Obama the edge in taxes, healthcare, and energy

Roe vs Wade is touchy issue. But you can't flip flop on it as Mcain has. Either your are for it or against it. In the past he's been for it, now he's against it "trying to get votes".

all information comes from http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/energy.html

Obama gives good speeches and SAYS ALOT of things. NOW tell me JUST ONE THING he has done since he ahs been in the senater ? Tell me JUST ONE BILL he HAS WRITTEN ? he has been in the senate for 4 years and the last 2 has been running for president.. he has DONE NOTHING since he has been in the senate other than give a good speech. and Has ZERO Experience.... he SAYS ALOT but has hasnt tryed to do any of it since hes been in the senate...

AI Inc
09-17-2008, 02:44 PM
Taxes


Healthcare
Obama: Require that all children have health insurance; pay for it by rolling back President Bush's tax cuts for households earning over $250,000; aims for universal coverage.
Mcain: For free-market, consumer-based system; has pledged affordable health care for every American without a mandate; says universal health care is possible without a tax increase.

Energy
Obama: Opposes gas tax holiday; supports taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic and offshore; supports ethanol subsidies; not a “proponent” of expanding nuclear power.
Mcain: Supports gas tax holiday; opposes taxing windfall profits; opposes drilling in the Arctic, supports offshore drilling; opposes ethanol subsidies; supports expanding nuclear power.


all information comes from http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/energy.html

So basicly Obama plan for health care to to let wealthy people pay for everyones.
Lets see , windfall profits for oil companies. Taxes make up more the 200% of profit off a gallon of gas , but no thats not enough we want even more. Be sure to include that in the price of gas , its not high enough yet.

Yep he sure is the Democratic hero , another friggen robinhood.

saylorsdad
09-17-2008, 04:36 PM
You can grip about taxes all you want, we're taxed less than any other government. Also if you don't like the fuel tax don't drive on the road as that's where the tax goes. And if you want us to be like china/india where the big businesses pay less taxes than everyone else you can pack you stuff and move as far as I'm concerned. I've been there and seen how the poor suffer, and how they have to pay for public school. Corruption in those governments is horrible. How many people on this site have been overseas and seen what I'm talking about?

Now for you republicans out there how many of you would be affected directly "not indirectly" by a tax break obama puts out? How many lawn care professionals make over 250,000? Under Bush the great " whom you republicans worship" the lawn care industry has seen it's profits decrease more than almost any other business. Under Clinton they increased more than under any other president. Now what would the Next President do for you? More of the republican trend, decreasing profit? Or more of the Democratic trend increasing profit? If you want issues this is the one that hits all of our homes.

AI Inc
09-17-2008, 04:54 PM
Oh so long as you are making money and someone else is paying the bills your happy.
Let me guess , you pay about 5-6k a yr in taxes too.

DiyDave
09-17-2008, 07:07 PM
Pretty soon he will utter it, I know he can't resist, here is comes..."Its all George Bush's fault". Think for yourself, man, I can't see things from your point of view, cause I can't get my head up my touchas!:hammerhead::hammerhead:

saylorsdad
09-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Actually yes I pay more taxes than most lawn care guys. As a school teacher for five years, with small business I pay my fair share. Do I think it's all King Georges fault, no I blame every moron who voted for him.

If you think democrats are that bad think back and remember who got us in the great depresson and who got us out. The answer will be republicans got us in, democrats got us out. Now ask yourself are we on track economically as a country to go up or down.

TomberLawn
09-18-2008, 10:56 AM
The Bush Administration tried to work with Congress for the past 5 years to get FannieMae and FreddieMac under control, but Democratic Senators Chris Dodd and Barney Frank blocked the effort, along with 40 other democrats. John McCain warned 3 years ago that the mortgage giants were going to cause massive economic problems if they weren't controlled, but nobody listened. Obama has received over $500,000 from Freddie and Fanniein campaign contributions, compared to about $150,000 for McCain. Why do they so eagerly support Obama? Because he won't do anything to them, except maybe give them more taxpayer money everytime they get greedy and end up losing money. When McCain and Palin get in the White House, they aren't going to care how irritated the alligators in Washington get--they are going to drain that swamp, sending corruption looking for a rock to hide under.

Here's an update I heard about the "Troopergate" thing going on in Alaska:
The safety commissioner was fired for hiring a lobbyist and trying to get $20 million from the federal government, after Governor Palin had approved an adequate budget. He was being insubordinate and going against her "corporate culture" of openness and reform. It had nothing to do with the Governor's former brother-in-law. In fact, the commissioner himself has stated that he was not pressured to fire the trooper, who tazered his own son and threatened the Governor's father. The Dems went to Alaska looking for dirt and actually found gold for the McCain-Palin campaign.

saylorsdad
09-19-2008, 03:57 PM
The Bush admin trying to work with congress, it's allies, or anyone other than it's self is nothing more than the start of a good joke.

TomberLawn
09-19-2008, 05:30 PM
And a Democatic Congress is nothing more than a bad joke...

GravelyNut
09-19-2008, 09:05 PM
You can grip about taxes all you want, we're taxed less than any other government. Also if you don't like the fuel tax don't drive on the road as that's where the tax goes. .....
You lost it right there. Fuel taxes for roads aren't only from road using vehicles. Railroads pay it too. And it goes to roads and planes.

GravelyNut
09-19-2008, 09:16 PM
The Bush Administration tried to work with Congress for the past 5 years to get FannieMae and FreddieMac under control, but Democratic Senators Chris Dodd and Barney Frank blocked the effort, along with 40 other democrats. John McCain warned 3 years ago that the mortgage giants were going to cause massive economic problems if they weren't controlled, but nobody listened. Obama has received over $500,000 from Freddie and Fanniein campaign contributions, compared to about $150,000 for McCain. Why do they so eagerly support Obama? Because he won't do anything to them, except maybe give them more taxpayer money everytime they get greedy and end up losing money. When McCain and Palin get in the White House, they aren't going to care how irritated the alligators in Washington get--they are going to drain that swamp, sending corruption looking for a rock to hide under.

Here's an update I heard about the "Troopergate" thing going on in Alaska:
The safety commissioner was fired for hiring a lobbyist and trying to get $20 million from the federal government, after Governor Palin had approved an adequate budget. He was being insubordinate and going against her "corporate culture" of openness and reform. It had nothing to do with the Governor's former brother-in-law. In fact, the commissioner himself has stated that he was not pressured to fire the trooper, who tazered his own son and threatened the Governor's father. The Dems went to Alaska looking for dirt and actually found gold for the McCain-Palin campaign.

Why are they donating so much? To be his advisors. Which he nows tries to deny, even though one was on his VP search committee.

It isn't change, it is same ole, same ole. Lobbying by the likes of Biden's son.

TwistedSister
09-19-2008, 10:22 PM
To be honest...I dont like either one but if I was to vote for one, it would be McCain. Obama is a nieve, inexperienced, popstar liberal. Not that McCain is perfect but ya know...:usflag:

S man
09-19-2008, 11:14 PM
To be honest...I dont like either one but if I was to vote for one, it would be McCain. Obama is a nieve, inexperienced, popstar liberal. Not that McCain is perfect but ya know...:usflag:

Would you rather have McCain or nobama? I am definitely for McCain now that a rock solid conservativelike Gov. Palin is on the ticket.

jameson
09-20-2008, 02:10 AM
If you think democrats are that bad think back and remember who got us in the great depresson and who got us out. The answer will be republicans got us in, democrats got us out.

Oh gawd. . .

The only thing that "got us out" was our hapless entry into WWII. FDR, his 'Think Tank' wonks and the numerous manifestations of the 'New Deal' (FDR simply continued and expanded Hoover's idiot policies) were complete failures.

What history books don't tell, eh?

jameson
09-20-2008, 02:12 AM
. . .a rock solid conservativelike Gov. Palin is on the ticket.

How exactly does Palin qualify as a "rock solid conservative"?

FaithNoMan
09-20-2008, 03:02 AM
How exactly does Palin qualify as a "rock solid conservative"?

As I understand, McCain picked her based on an 18 year old blogger that got his attention, talking about her - I find that very scary.


And Obama? I find his speeches inspiring.

I've yet to see anything "inspiring" come out of the other party - I saw the Palin interview(the four part one, recently aired) and, to me she sounds like she has no clue about what she speaks of.

I'm not for one party or the other(I choose the man over the party he/she is in - I actually wanted Bush to win both times).

Obama just strikes me as a leader.

TomberLawn
09-20-2008, 07:44 AM
You think Palin didn't sound like she had a clue? Have you ever heard Barack Obama without a teleprompter? It takes him several minutes to answer a simple question, mostly because he says "uh, you know, well, um, uh" a million times. He has no clue what he believes, he's just trying to remember what his advisers told him the latest opinion polls say.

I know Palin has taken heat over the "Bush Doctrine" question, but she actually handled it pretty well. Even Karl Rove, the architect of the "Bush Doctrine", said he would have asked for clarification as well because there is no "Bush Doctrine", but the media has labeled 4 different foreign policies the "Bush Doctrine." It's not like the Monroe Doctrine, where everything was written out and presented to foreign leaders. Even an independent pollster, Dr. Frank Luntz, said he wouldn't know how to answer that question without any context--foreign policy, the economy, faith? And Charlie Gibson's attitude during that interview was sickening. He was acting like trial lawyer waiting for an incriminating confession.

FaithNoMan
09-20-2008, 09:18 AM
You think Palin didn't sound like she had a clue? Have you ever heard Barack Obama without a teleprompter? It takes him several minutes to answer a simple question, mostly because he says "uh, you know, well, um, uh" a million times. He has no clue what he believes, he's just trying to remember what his advisers told him the latest opinion polls say.

I know Palin has taken heat over the "Bush Doctrine" question, but she actually handled it pretty well. Even Karl Rove, the architect of the "Bush Doctrine", said he would have asked for clarification as well because there is no "Bush Doctrine", but the media has labeled 4 different foreign policies the "Bush Doctrine." It's not like the Monroe Doctrine, where everything was written out and presented to foreign leaders. Even an independent pollster, Dr. Frank Luntz, said he wouldn't know how to answer that question without any context--foreign policy, the economy, faith? And Charlie Gibson's attitude during that interview was sickening. He was acting like trial lawyer waiting for an incriminating confession.

Yes, I have - I watched him preach to his church and felt very inspired.

And guys like Oreilly, Sean Hannity, and the like (FOX) don't sound like they have any sort of "superiority complex"? Give me a break, they sound like complete windbags(to me).

And yes, I did think she sound like she has no clue on how to run a country - she sounds like she should be running theh local PTA, not the USA. I believe Obama has a vision. I hope he finds a way to execute it.

I don't see anything new or interesting about McCain or any of his party, besides fear mongering, which they seem to excel at - his top advisor said that another terrorist attack would be good for the Republican party, as well as saying it was also good for them when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated.

I, for one, was glad when we went to Afganistan to root out terror..and again I trusted out administration when Bush said we(our troops) had to go to Iraq to continue our mission against terror - it was one of the reasons I didn't want John Kerry to win the last election. I wanted to see the man who started the job to be able to see more of it through.

But let's call a spade a spade and face the very real possibility that may have been lied to.

I don't think a similar administration belongs in the White House for another term.

I actually wish I could see what is so special about Palin, besides her nice legs. Maybe someone will enlighten me on this point.

GravelyNut
09-20-2008, 02:23 PM
Yes, I have - I watched him preach to his church and felt very inspired.

And guys like Oreilly, Sean Hannity, and the like (FOX) don't sound like they have any sort of "superiority complex"? Give me a break, they sound like complete windbags(to me).

And yes, I did think she sound like she has no clue on how to run a country - she sounds like she should be running theh local PTA, not the USA. I believe Obama has a vision. I hope he finds a way to execute it.

I don't see anything new or interesting about McCain or any of his party, besides fear mongering, which they seem to excel at - his top advisor said that another terrorist attack would be good for the Republican party, as well as saying it was also good for them when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated.

I, for one, was glad when we went to Afganistan to root out terror..and again I trusted out administration when Bush said we(our troops) had to go to Iraq to continue our mission against terror - it was one of the reasons I didn't want John Kerry to win the last election. I wanted to see the man who started the job to be able to see more of it through.

But let's call a spade a spade and face the very real possibility that may have been lied to.

I don't think a similar administration belongs in the White House for another term.

I actually wish I could see what is so special about Palin, besides her nice legs. Maybe someone will enlighten me on this point.
Snake oil salesmen and carnival barkers are slick talkers and take in alot of smart people. obama fits those shoes well.

Dave_005
09-20-2008, 02:43 PM
As I understand, McCain picked her based on an 18 year old blogger that got his attention, talking about her - I find that very scary.


And Obama? I find his speeches inspiring.

I've yet to see anything "inspiring" come out of the other party - I saw the Palin interview(the four part one, recently aired) and, to me she sounds like she has no clue about what she speaks of.

I'm not for one party or the other(I choose the man over the party he/she is in - I actually wanted Bush to win both times).

Obama just strikes me as a leader.

you like obamas speeches so that makes him a good leader ? speech writers write his speeches FOR HIM !. obama has ZERO Experience in Budget, Foriegn Policy, Military affairs and the economy, but YOU want to vote for him because he gives a good speech that someone else wrote for him ? he has been in the senate for 4 years and running for president the last 2. so with ONLY 2 yrs in the senate and NEVER writting a SINGLE bill hes a good Leader ? BUsh gave the Big Oil Companies Huge TAX BREAKS and Obama (the good leader) VOTED FOR the TAX BREAKS for the OIL COMPAINIES, While McCain VOTED AGAINS'T THEM ! if you want someone who has NO CLUE and NO EXPERIENCE other then what his Advisors TELL Him then by all means vote for obama.. Obama claims hes all about CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN ! well then Tell me why he hasnt wrote a single bill or tried to change anything since he has been in the senate. he has voted PRESENT MORE TIMES then he has ever voted for or agains't Anything. but you think he a good leader ?

1cooltreeguy
09-20-2008, 03:34 PM
Also DO NOT forget - Palin is not running against Obama. You are voting either for McCain or Obama. It is silly to compare the top of a ticket to the oppositions VP.???

FaithNoMan
09-21-2008, 12:19 AM
By the same standards, McCain is guilty of hopping from one foot to the to the other. He seems to have the habit of setting himself in opposition to himself by saying one thing and saying something completely opposite later one, so I think he is definitely no better than Obama in that regard.

FWIW, I watch the Daily Show, and take John Stewart as seriously as many Republicans take Oreilly, Sean Hannity and the Fox network, whom I also believe are just about as worthless as snake oil salesman.

I know almost as many people that feel the same way as me, as they do yours - although this is Florida(many conservatives here).

Don't worry though - McCain will likely win, and then I pray to God that you guys are right.:usflag:

P.S. - I will look more diligently for his(Obama's) unprompted, stuttering speeches.

saw man
09-21-2008, 03:00 AM
Just to stir things up in this thread I will insert this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxFn8FfauU

Change your thinking and tell me, as a business owner, who you would want in charge.

Will this person appoint the best people to handle their job?



I think that we all can agree (at least behind closed doors) that the President is only as good as the people he has around him and the people we elect in each state. It seems there is a big hoopla about the presidential race but local senate/governor etc. get passed by.

Do you agree with Mr. Trump? Why or why not? Will Mcain appoint the best or will Obama?

tjsquickcuts
09-21-2008, 09:41 AM
What strikes me as really funny is that Sarah Palin has been able to LIE to the American public and its okay. She said she want to Iraq, but we have since found out that that wasnt true, and that her plane only stop to refuel. She talked about the bridge, and we all know about that. She LIED about trying to have her brother in law fired. She seem to have a bit of a power trip if you ask me, and I can tell you now the the Leaders in Russia, Iran, China, Korea, etc are not going to hear anything she say because in all those countries women are quote unquote bed warmers...lol...I dont want to sound sexiest, but I am just trying to keep it real. Speaking of being sexiest, how many of you guys run you home, and how many of you guys have your wives taking care of the things around the house. So what happens when her special needs child has a problem and she is across the world trying to talk peace to some other country??? Is she going to stay, or will she come home to see about her child??? These are real things to think about because most women act on emotions. I have more to say, but the real deal about this election will come down to the racial issue and thats the bottom line. I have read what most of you people have said, but all the misspelling of the Obama's name show how ignorant most of you are, and helps support the fact that this race will come down to black or white, and not politics. Now I cant honestly tell you that I think Obama will do a Great job, but I think its time for a change and time to end this war that has killed two of my friend. I heard a guy on TV talkin about he has talked with all the leaders in our Army over in Iraq and they all want to stay, but they are all safe and secure in the green zone while 18 and 19 year olds( people baby's) are being ambushed and murdered all because our REP. Govt wanted to go fight with a small country we thought we could whip and take over. It hasnt happened, and it wont happen. Why dont we go fight China, they are doing the same thing Hussin was doing. So is Russia, North Korea, and Iran. You know why we wont do anything to those places???? Because we know it would be another loss. Yes I said another loss, because we lost the Iraq war on LIES, and with the all the troops that have died, just like in Vietnam a war in which we didnt win either. Well thats all I have for now, but I just hope if the Reps. are voted into office, they dont dissappoint you guys again like W has done for the last 8 years. Oh, by the way, W has a movie coming out too.....lmao:laugh::laugh::laugh:

GravelyNut
09-21-2008, 11:18 AM
Also DO NOT forget - Palin is not running against Obama. You are voting either for McCain or Obama. It is silly to compare the top of a ticket to the oppositions VP.???
They have to do that. obama can't compete head to head with McCain on his record.

DiyDave
09-21-2008, 12:29 PM
Sawman, that interview was from 2006, before the surge effectively reduced the population of terrorists in Iraq. Looking at it makes me want to see what Mr Chump has to say about it now!

DiyDave
09-21-2008, 12:38 PM
TJ do you think Obammy will appoint such effective people as perhaps the rev. Jeremiah Wright (perhaps as a race relations specialist), or perhaps father Pfleeger (as minister of defense), or maybe Jesse Jackson(surgeon general?) . Anybody have any more suggestions? If you want to go invade china, all I have to say is you first! Oh, and a movie I know you will like is coming out next month, its titled An American Carol.

saw man
09-21-2008, 02:26 PM
Sawman, that interview was from 2006, before the surge effectively reduced the population of terrorists in Iraq. Looking at it makes me want to see what Mr Chump has to say about it now!

The interview still made a point. I asked your opinion on a business standpoint not how old the video is.

tjsquickcuts
09-21-2008, 03:22 PM
TJ do you think Obammy will appoint such effective people as perhaps the rev. Jeremiah Wright (perhaps as a race relations specialist), or perhaps father Pfleeger (as minister of defense), or maybe Jesse Jackson(surgeon general?) . Anybody have any more suggestions? If you want to go invade china, all I have to say is you first! Oh, and a movie I know you will like is coming out next month, its titled An American Carol.

Who will McCain appoint???? More of the same....Most guys on this board net less then 200k a year and are taxed more then people making 500k plus and you guys want to continue with that? It doesnt make cents or dollars for the avg lawn guy or small landscape co....I think the right people will be put in place to turn this country around. McCain is going to keep taxing the middle and lower class, while his family business that nets I am sure more than 5 million plus each year or more will continue to get taxes breaks. Doesnt sound like the American way if you ask me. Sounds more to me like keep the Rich Rich, and the Poor Poor. Well my friend, I hope you really think about your options before you vote and really look at what each is purposing so you dont screw yourself again beacause I am sure you voted for W. who has just all but destoryed America.

DiyDave
09-21-2008, 06:32 PM
Saw-man, the interview made a point... that point is now moot. TJ: how does someone else making big money take any out of your pocket? How does taxing anyone help your situation? I think you need to take a few basic economics classes, or perhaps, just hang in there in a small business, maybe you will learn.:laugh::laugh:

FaithNoMan
09-21-2008, 07:11 PM
but YOU want to vote for him because he gives a good speech that someone else wrote for him ?

Click on the video for "Ebenezer Church"

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith/

saylorsdad
09-22-2008, 10:18 AM
Ok here's the deal with taxes in case you guys don't understand. We have to pay for things we do as a country. If you're talking about taking economics classes think about that one.
We're spending around 12 billion dollars a month on the iraq war.
Lets assume that taxes are spread evenly "bad assumption but stick with me"
12billion/305million (pop of usa)=39.34 dollars per month just to the war per person

Now assume that you are paying more in taxes than the guys that just ran aig into the ground. Is that fair? Now consider that we're about to perform a 800 billion dollar bail out on their company.
800billion/305million=2622.95 dollars per person.

Now think about what's wrong with the assumption. That's the total population of the united states elderly, kiddo's, and non workers included. The average tax payers "you and me" are getting the shaft. Why not shift the tax burden up rather than keeping it on our shoulders? After all those idots are the one's who are getting us deeper into debt.

TomberLawn
09-22-2008, 01:57 PM
If we had a flat dollar amount of tax, that would make sense, but it's a percentage. I think it should be a flat percentage, like 15% for everybody. If you make $100,000 a year, you pay $15,000. If you make $1,000,000 a year, you pay $150,000. And the jerks who bankrupt big corporations then walk away with $100,000,000 should have to pay every penny they made. Whatever happened to entrepreneurial "risk and reward"? The CEOs risked nothing, since they knew the government would have to bail them out or the country would collapse. Then they walk away with millions of dollars in severance pay.

Personally, I'd like to see Washington all but shut down and let states have most of the responsibility. The only thing we really need a federal government to do is provide national defense, regulate trade between states and foreign countries, and act as a mediator for disputes between states. Imagine how low federal taxes would be if there was no welfare, federal highway taxes, salaries for a bunch of bureaucrats who don't do much, and all the pork projects that waste money. Sure, state taxes would be a little higher to fund highways and education, but there would be less bureaucracy eating tax money.

saylorsdad
09-22-2008, 03:08 PM
I think an economic professor from harvard or yale today summarized the crisis in that profits are being privatized while losses are being socialized. If you think about a family of four taking on 10000 in debt to bail out these companies, and we were not invested in them it sucks. I say throw everyone in the companies involved in jail and let them earn their way out by making license plates. The risks were known prior to them making the investments so let them go broke just like everyone else.
As per the flat tax I think the only person who supports that is the independent, anyone going to vote for him? If you feel this strongly about the issue he should get your vote.

DiyDave
09-22-2008, 05:56 PM
I would usually say that if a professor from Harvard or Yale says he's for it, then I'm against it. I will say this: Not a dime to any corporation that is going under! They made their bed, let them lay in it. Also prosecute the CEO's, most of 'em are Harvard and Yale grads, anyway! A Harvard or Yale degree should be de-valued, as well, after all, O'bammy is one, and he's an idiot! (Yeah, so's Bush, So what?):laugh::laugh:

TomberLawn
09-22-2008, 09:56 PM
As per the flat tax I think the only person who supports that is the independent, anyone going to vote for him? If you feel this strongly about the issue he should get your vote.

I really liked Huckabee's plan for a Fair Tax. It made a lot of sense--Why tax productivity? Huckabee proposed a national sales tax that all people would pay, even underground industries like drugs and prostitution. It was a consumption tax instead of a productivity tax. If you earn $1 more than your current tax bracket, you end up with less money. However, under the Fair Tax, you can make as much money as you want. When you spend your money, you pay taxes on it. No more IRS!!

treegal1
09-22-2008, 10:38 PM
my new vote is MD at LS, he can keep it spin-in.............

saylorsdad
09-23-2008, 12:56 PM
Not sure why you think that the ivy league professor is wrong. They are socializing financial losses, and consequently keeping profits to theirself. Also if we don't bail them out we're likely to see gas skyrocket, just look at what happened yesterday 25.00 per barrel gain the largest ever. Nothing happened in the physical world just speculators speculating the value of the dollar and people bailing out of the market into commodities. Gold took one of the largest jumps ever to close near 1000 an ounce.

sweetz
10-19-2008, 10:11 PM
I will just say that I have an Obama yard sign - so do ALL of my neighbors - plus I have Obama stickers on my truck & trailer, which is my business truck & trailer.

FaithNoMan
10-19-2008, 11:08 PM
Go Colin Powell!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95882018

More:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95879594

DA Quality Lawn & YS
10-23-2008, 05:33 PM
I wonder why Powell endorsed Obama, hmmm, thats a tough one.......

No Osama for me....thank you.

treegal1
10-23-2008, 05:40 PM
I wonder why Powell endorsed Obama, hmmm, thats a tough one.......

No Osama for me....thank you.you are getting Semitic words mixed up with Arabic words

DiyDave
10-23-2008, 06:04 PM
I will just say that I have an Obama yard sign - so do ALL of my neighbors - plus I have Obama stickers on my truck & trailer, which is my business truck & trailer.
That there is a pretty good Idea. That way, if he wins, and causes you to sell your house, you can have a free sign that reads Obama made me sell this house!:laugh::laugh:

FaithNoMan
10-23-2008, 08:04 PM
I wonder why Powell endorsed Obama, hmmm, thats a tough one.......

No Osama for me....thank you.

People like you are one of the reasons John McCain is lagging behind so much in the polls. Well, that and Sarah Palin(she is slipping in her approval ratings by a big margin).


Obama is not even a muslim. By your standards, one could call a person with a German name a Nazi because their name is a German one, right?

Before you say I am anti-American or extremely naive or something along those lines, I have to say - I actually don't dislike McCain. I just dislike the extreme negativity directed towards Obama's character in his campaign, and the way it messes the facts up for people like you, who take them as facts.


I could write on, but honestly, this woman took the words out of my mouth:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-brooks23-2008oct23,0,3219478.column

treegal1
10-23-2008, 10:25 PM
bigots, he is not a muslin but an Ethiope of Hebrew lineage.
closer to a rasta than anything

it this point maybe we should stop voting gender and race and really let the BEST man win, even if his people are from mars

tinman
10-23-2008, 11:11 PM
Neither. One is a socialist/ war monger & the other is a radical socialist

Exact Rototilling
10-24-2008, 02:50 AM
I can't believe how anybody can be excited about either McCain or Obama. Is this really the best the establishment big money promoters could come up with? It really makes little difference who wins. They will take their orders from up high on the food chain or it's a trip to Dallas JFK style. There is major serious dirt on both of them.

Man I hope that I'm wrong but if McCain wins we could have some riots in some major cities.

I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin. Ron Paul finally endorsed him a few months ago. Sure he won't win but it's vote based on principle alone.

:usflag:.........;)................:cry:

PORTER 05
10-24-2008, 06:08 PM
so what if obama is a muslim???? this is the USA i though we are sopost to like everyone?? macain is a pos.....palin is a a truly horrible person, she puts out kill orders on bear cubs and just a few weeks ago vetoed a bill that most alaskan people voted against, which was not to shoot 14 wolf pups in their den murder style, yaaa lets vote her in.....i think not....id rather see the green party win but thats a waste of my vote becasue they have no chance, so its obama all the way baby, hate those sick right siders!!!!!!!!!

Exact Rototilling
10-24-2008, 08:29 PM
so what if obama is a muslim???? this is the USA i though we are sopost to like everyone?? macain is a pos.....palin is a a truly horrible person, she puts out kill orders on bear cubs and just a few weeks ago vetoed a bill that most alaskan people voted against, which was not to shoot 14 wolf pups in their den murd....blah....blah...snip....snip....!!!!!!!!!Ok . . . . Obama's father is a Muslim and according to the customs of Islam etc. that makes him a Muslim. If you know anything about Islam their allegiance is to Islam. There is so much dirt on Obama he could be sunk overnight if the mainstream press received orders to tell the truth. He's not a native born citizen. The Hawaii Birth certificate is fraud.

Neither is McCain since he was born in Panama. McCain has back stabbed his fellow POW's. This traitor has knowingly left our POW's to rot overseas for his own purposes. Again if the media was allowed to report this openly he'd be toast in flash.

They are both clowns and neither is fit for command. We are being taken for suckers. Palin is window dressing to get the sucker Christian conservative vote.

I'm still in disbelief that anyone can be excited about either candidate.

News flash .... it called electronic voting machine fraud .... doesn't matter who you vote for ... the vote is rigged. We will get whoever TPTB want in office. Last I heard the TPTB wanted McCain to do their bidding. Time will tell. McCain wins we will likely have riots. Racial rage etc. Rodney King style.

Exit poll could show 60% write in for Ron Paul [won't happen -just an example] and the official vote will show McCain and Obama neck and neck in key states.

Time to wake up here folks. We lose big either way. :realmad:

sweetz
10-24-2008, 11:36 PM
I want the democratic party to win. If the republican party wins - we're in trouble!

So I guess we're suppose to believe exact (previous poster) over every book, biography, news report, etc that we've ever seen or read. We have no idea who he is.

Personally, I recommend that each and every person do their own research & come up with their own conclusion.

Supertiger
10-27-2008, 11:06 PM
I have never seen a presidential candidate do what he said he would do after the election is over. But i think Sara Palin is just good to look at and that's better than looking at Oboma. You and I are on our own in the business world and now we will sink or swim depending on how much debt you have when the **** hits the fan.

sweetz
10-27-2008, 11:38 PM
Sara Palin, oh gee, oh gosh, oh golly... I know everyone & everything..... I'm little Ms. Soccer Mom..... I'm the Maverick... I should have been blonde.....

Voting by who looks the prettiest is STUPID!!!!!

Grow up folks, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MileHigh
10-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Mccain thinks Spain (one of our best allies) is in Latin America...

Hows that for foreign policy?

There are many socialist countries in Europe doing very well, well good education. The problem is that they pay out the rear end in taxes.

We need to take a little bit from ALL parties to make an AMERICAN way of dealing with our issues. We need all independents, dems, republicans, liberals, socialist, etc to come together to make this all work out. Like how it should be in America

lawn crafters
10-30-2008, 06:29 PM
ok obama wants to take from thw whealthy and give it to people who dont want to work, that is called communism and marksists

sweetz
10-30-2008, 10:11 PM
OK..... I guess a mod didn't like the discussion that was going on between BladeScape, myself & lawn crafters so he deleted all of our posts. Well he chose to leave one - the last post where lawn crafters is saying that Obama is a Communist. I think I'm figuring out that to really fit in with this crowd you almost HAVE to be a republican.

FaithNoMan
10-31-2008, 02:35 AM
Mccain thinks Spain (one of our best allies) is in Latin America...

Hows that for foreign policy?

There are many socialist countries in Europe doing very well, well good education. The problem is that they pay out the rear end in taxes.

We need to take a little bit from ALL parties to make an AMERICAN way of dealing with our issues. We need all independents, dems, republicans, liberals, socialist, etc to come together to make this all work out. Like how it should be in America

That's a better view than most people I talk to down here!

FaithNoMan
10-31-2008, 02:39 AM
OK..... I guess a mod didn't like the discussion that was going on between BladeScape, myself & lawn crafters so he deleted all of our posts. Well he chose to leave one - the last post where lawn crafters is saying that Obama is a Communist. I think I'm figuring out that to really fit in with this crowd you almost HAVE to be a republican.

Volunteer for Obama if you can, and get the word out about the nasty slanderous rumors that people seem to easily take as "facts".

I have worked with my hands all my life and it irks me really bad when someone attempts to tell me I'm un-American because I voted for a candidate different from the one they chose.

sweetz
10-31-2008, 08:53 AM
Volunteer for Obama if you can, and get the word out about the nasty slanderous rumors that people seem to easily take as "facts".

I have worked with my hands all my life and it irks me really bad when someone attempts to tell me I'm un-American because I voted for a candidate different from the one they chose.

I went to & read the site at the link that you previously posted. Thank you for posting that link, that was a VERY good article.

americanlawn
10-31-2008, 06:25 PM
Taking OPM's (other peoples' money) to pay for others' "chosen expenses" just ain't right.

Taxing hard-working (productive) Americans to finance "knuckle-draggers" ain't my idea of America either. (I could be wrong, but I'm sure our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves right now).

I don't think folks who DO NOT pay taxes should be allowed to vote. PERIOD!!! Cuz they are "takers".......and do not contribute to the health of America.

Like John F. Kennedy said, "It's NOT what the Country can do for you -- It's what YOU can do for the Country".

lawn crafters
10-31-2008, 06:35 PM
Taking OPM's (other peoples' money) to pay for others' "chosen expenses" just ain't right.

Taxing hard-working (productive) Americans to finance "knuckle-draggers" ain't my idea of America either. (I could be wrong, but I'm sure our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves right now).

I don't think folks who DO NOT pay taxes should be allowed to vote. PERIOD!!! Cuz they are "takers".......and do not contribute to the health of America.

Like John F. Kennedy said, "It's NOT what the Country can do for you -- It's what YOU can do for the Country".
thank you for elaborateing on what i said

sweetz
10-31-2008, 06:50 PM
I don't think folks who DO NOT pay taxes should be allowed to vote. PERIOD!!! Cuz they are "takers".......and do not contribute to the health of America

OK, fill me in. Who is saying that people who DO NOT pay takes should be allowed to vote?

I DO pay taxes & my vote is going to Obama. I have done my research & IMHO McCain is a joke. He actually scares me. Palin REALLY scares me. McCain keeps repeating that Reagan & Bush are a couple of his hero's. He also keeps repeating how he's gonna follow most of their policies. On that same note he has put down Clinton - When was the last time we, as a country, had a balanced budget? I'll tell you, it was during the Clinton years, we actually had a surplus at that time. Now, China basically owns the US (we owe them so much money). That sounds great though, lets continue this downward trend.:hammerhead:

tjsquickcuts
11-01-2008, 12:55 AM
Whats funny is, most of the die hard Rep. really dont have any idea how bad McCain and Palin are indirectly talking about them. Like McCain has said before about Obama, you have to listen to what he says. McCain keeps talking about Obama wants to give welfare to people who dont pay taxes....But listen to this and think about this. Okay before I go on, now how many of you have gotten Taxes Refunds(which means you didnt pay taxes), and how many of you have had to pay taxes???? Now all those fast food workers who feed many of us daily, some landscape workers who are only getting paid 6, maybe 7 dollars per hour, and more but I really dont feel like naming them all dont pay taxes, but have payroll taxes taken out of each check. Now I know some of you will say, Well they need to find a better job, but somebody has to do or millions of business would go under, and we would go hungry...lol....Maybe Mr. & Mrs Smith who makes $40k per year, wife stays home with the 3 kids, they and 2 cars, and a mortgage. Maybe they are able to live okay, but maybe hold out on having some PROfessional landscaping done because its just not in the budget. Now maybe they do get a little more back on taxes, now they might call up Joe the landscaper, or Joe the irrigation guy. Doesnt that help the economy????? Doesnt that help add jobs, because somebody has to do the work....I believe it will balance the economy, and allow us to take the jumper cables off and drive us back to a TRUE WORLD LEADER.

Before I finish, I also want to make a point about whats being said about some of the people Obama knows is just insane. 1st person, Rev. Wright....Yeah, some of the things he said was the truth and the truth hurts some times, but to call him radical.....no. no. no. There was once a thing call slavery, and the years that followed. Blacks just got voting rights less then 50 years ago. I mean the Jews didnt go through nearly what blacks have gone through, but they are hurt and broken just as many blacks are. The man is just mad, and to critize him for expressing his freedom of speech isnt right, and it also gets kicked off as hate talk and thats wrong. Spend a day in his shoes before you judge. As for the mad bomber, he was protesting a war in a very wrong direction, but has done a lot of minorities and inner city kids so maybe the guy was changed by the time he and Obama met. People do change, and people can change.....

Okay, its late, I gotten enough off my mind, but if you want to debate any of my thoughts then please feel free, but make sure you think about how you vote, and dont vote for the person, vote of the policy.....

sweetz
11-01-2008, 01:21 AM
dont vote for the person, vote for the policy.....

Well said.

Exact Rototilling
11-01-2008, 01:24 AM
Slightly off topic but guns sales are waaaaaay UP! :gunsfirin

Gun Owners of America gave an F- rating to McCain
Obamma will be another Clinton in that arena. F---

I'm amazed it has come down to these 2 clowns. :jester:

Only a Ron Paul type candidate can save the country but it's over for now - we get the leaders we deserve. :hammerhead::help::cry:

NC Greenscaper
11-01-2008, 09:41 AM
The big reason for this is that we have borrowed $600 million to a $ Trillion from China and Japan to fight and rebuild Iraq. This is off budget for political reasons and to keep more Americans from turning against the war. The young people of today future has been mortaged. This is a fact you won't see on FOX entertainment. The borrowing continues to the tune of billions per week. laugh:

I'm not sure where the 600 plus million is going. But what do you think of Proverbs 22:7 7 The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower becomes the lender’s slave.

I think many people are compeled to work jobs and do things they would rather not because they owe a lender. What about our govt borrowing from other govt. Where is this going? I wonder? Will our borrower/lender relationship have political implications worldwide?

NC Greenscaper
11-01-2008, 10:02 AM
Mccain thinks Spain (one of our best allies) is in Latin America...

Hows that for foreign policy?

There are many socialist countries in Europe doing very well, well good education. The problem is that they pay out the rear end in taxes.

We need to take a little bit from ALL parties to make an AMERICAN way of dealing with our issues. We need all independents, dems, republicans, liberals, socialist, etc to come together to make this all work out. Like how it should be in America

Specifically what socialist country is doing well.

Making a jumbo soup political party is not going to fix your issues. You need to get the gov't out of your issues. We need to quit going to the govt every time we have a issue. Many, many issues are caused by individuals making poor decisions. If we make a gumbo soup govt (something for everyone) that serves a safety blanket for everyone's issues there will be no end to the spending. We are Americans. We were founded on good solid principles. Our young country has grown to be a super power because of a free enterprise system. We have always been innovative, resoureful and hard working.

Sure we need a govt. We need a govt to enforce the law of the land. We need a govt to protect our citizens. But we don't need them to balance our checkbooks, pay our bills when refuse to pay them, bail out large corporations run be crooked executives and found the million other programs the we do now. Just my thoughts.

S man
11-01-2008, 07:25 PM
As for the mad bomber, he was protesting a war in a very wrong direction, but has done a lot of minorities and inner city kids so maybe the guy was changed by the time he and Obama met. People do change, and people can change....

Are you for real? I'm sorry I have to ask. That POS ayers is scum and should have been killed years ago. He is an UNREPENTENT terrorist that killed inocent americans and said he wished he did more. How's that for change?

tjsquickcuts
11-01-2008, 10:14 PM
Okay, what about all those Presidents that were for Jim Crow Laws and slavery. Blacks people were terrorised, but I guess thats okay. Those Presidents are no better then Ayers, yet we teach our kids about them, but they leave that part out about them and how they supported terrorism against blacks. Bush could be consider a terrorist since he did lie about the reasons he wanted to invade Iraq. Iraq was doing nothing different then what China is doing now, but we supported them and their Olympics. I mean I could go on and on, but I will leave it at that.

TomberLawn
11-01-2008, 11:30 PM
Obama: "Spread the wealth around."

Let's see what this means. If you make any money, it's going to be taken and given to people who don't make money. Think about this in terms we, as landscapers and lawn care professionals, can understand. You mow 50-60 good lawns a week, working hard, paying for expenses like fuel, equipment, marketing, insurance, and TAXES. I mow 10-15 of the same type yards because I don't feel like learning about how to run a business or do quality work. So, you make 4-5 times as much money as I do. Obama will take money from you to pay me for my lack of work ethic. So while you're mowing 50-60 lawns, you're only getting paid for 30 of them, minus your operating expenses. While I'm mowing 10-15, I'm getting paid for 20-25, even though I'm sitting around on Lawnsite all week instead of actually cutting 20 yards. How does that make you feel?

Now, if I really am having a hard time, sure I'd like some help. Maybe I can't afford to go to a community college and take a couple classes on small business. Maybe I've got an illness that keeps me from being able to work. I don't want the government giving me a cold check. I want people who know and love me to help me get on my feet. The government is not a charitable organization. Forced charity is not charity--it's socialism. I give money to lots of charities that will enrich people's lives and not just give them money for their next pack of cigarettes.

That's one of my problems with Americans today. They think the government is there to meet any need they don't want to meet on their own. I hear Christians saying they want to vote for Obama because he will help the poor. Well, the poor are mentioned over 200 times in the Bible, but not one time does it say the government is responsible to care for them. Each time, it says the Church should care for it's own members and reach out to spread the Gospel to others.

sweetz
11-01-2008, 11:36 PM
Well, the poor are mentioned over 200 times in the Bible, but not one time does it say the government is responsible to care for them. Each time, it says the Church should care for it's own members and reach out to spread the Gospel to others.

What Bible are you even talking about? Not that I don't believe you, but there are a bunch of different versions of the Bible out there.

TomberLawn
11-01-2008, 11:43 PM
What Bible are you even talking about? Not that I don't believe you, but there are a bunch of different versions of the Bible out there.

I heard a Bible teacher (David Barton) say this on Kenneth Copeland's program. I'm not sure which translation he was using. You really should look up some of Barton's stuff. He is an excellent historian and Bible teacher.

sweetz
11-01-2008, 11:46 PM
I heard a Bible teacher (David Barton) say this on Kenneth Copeland's program. I'm not sure which translation he was using. You really should look up some of Barton's stuff. He is an excellent historian and Bible teacher.

Thanks, will do.

tjsquickcuts
11-02-2008, 09:33 AM
Obama: "Spread the wealth around."

Let's see what this means. If you make any money, it's going to be taken and given to people who don't make money. Think about this in terms we, as landscapers and lawn care professionals, can understand. You mow 50-60 good lawns a week, working hard, paying for expenses like fuel, equipment, marketing, insurance, and TAXES. I mow 10-15 of the same type yards because I don't feel like learning about how to run a business or do quality work. So, you make 4-5 times as much money as I do. Obama will take money from you to pay me for my lack of work ethic. So while you're mowing 50-60 lawns, you're only getting paid for 30 of them, minus your operating expenses. While I'm mowing 10-15, I'm getting paid for 20-25, even though I'm sitting around on Lawnsite all week instead of actually cutting 20 yards. How does that make you feel?

Now, if I really am having a hard time, sure I'd like some help. Maybe I can't afford to go to a community college and take a couple classes on small business. Maybe I've got an illness that keeps me from being able to work. I don't want the government giving me a cold check. I want people who know and love me to help me get on my feet. The government is not a charitable organization. Forced charity is not charity--it's socialism. I give money to lots of charities that will enrich people's lives and not just give them money for their next pack of cigarettes.

That's one of my problems with Americans today. They think the government is there to meet any need they don't want to meet on their own. I hear Christians saying they want to vote for Obama because he will help the poor. Well, the poor are mentioned over 200 times in the Bible, but not one time does it say the government is responsible to care for them. Each time, it says the Church should care for it's own members and reach out to spread the Gospel to others.


Well guess what, Sarah Palin Gets Govt Assistants for her Disabled child, which is a welfare check according to you. Most people with kids that are disabled are help by the Govt. Next point, most LCO dont make enough to have to give back, and those that do hirer Mexicans @ 6 or 7 bucks a hour. Now spread that wealth....I quit, some of you guys really need to think before you speak, and stop with all the non sense. Even Joe the plumber admitted he doesnt make enough to run a company, not to mention buy one.....which has made him a huge joke....

nosparkplugs
11-02-2008, 02:50 PM
Contrary to believe the world is not going to end with the election of Obama. If your scared, go purchase some firearms, a friend of mine just cashed in his AIG stock, and purchased a AR-14 with that money :laugh:

I am at peace, and think were all going to be OK:usflag:


Time will do Bush well; the historians will sort this time period out in due time. Bush Haters will be ashamed, last time I checked the presidency was not a "fashion" show. It's very convient to blame Bush for all these problems created over the years:nono:

If the Liberals would have let GHB finish the first Iraq war, we would have not been in this situation. Then Clinton era was a time of "spreading the wealth", and endless orgies in the white house, while terrorist plotted to bomb the world trade centers. Then GWB had to clean the mess up that Clinton left, Both parties share blame in this mess

With the death of Tim Russert, assoicated press, and news media has been left unchecked to report unchecked biased stories

Last time I checked war should be fought the old fashion way violently "Forget" the Media. Extremists on both sides are to blame, heck no one knows where Obama loyalty stands thats kinda good, he might just tell everyone to "Forget It" and correct this mess. Wether we like it or not Mcain is forever tied to the Bush adminstration, and cannot win this current election cycle.

jkilov
11-02-2008, 04:52 PM
This has to be the worst election so far. I'm having to chose between two clowns and neither of them has the skill to clean up this mess.

Why should I be forced to vote. A choice between bad and worse is no real choice. To heck with all of it. I'm going fishing with my nephew instead. Doing more good for the family than waiting at some booth. And I'm not complaining about the outcome, whoever wins it's the same rubbish.

S man
11-02-2008, 07:43 PM
Contrary to believe the world is not going to end with the election of Obama. If your scared, go purchase some firearms, a friend of mine just cashed in his AIG stock, and purchased a AR-14 with that money :laugh:

I am at peace, and think were all going to be OK:usflag:


Time will do Bush well; the historians will sort this time period out in due time. Bush Haters will be ashamed, last time I checked the presidency was not a "fashion" show. It's very convient to blame Bush for all these problems created over the years:nono:

If the Liberals would have let GHB finish the first Iraq war, we would have not been in this situation. Then Clinton era was a time of "spreading the wealth", and endless orgies in the white house, while terrorist plotted to bomb the world trade centers. Then GWB had to clean the mess up that Clinton left, Both parties share blame in this mess

With the death of Tim Russert, assoicated press, and news media has been left unchecked to report unchecked biased stories

Last time I checked war should be fought the old fashion way violently "Forget" the Media. Extremists on both sides are to blame, heck no one knows where Obama loyalty stands thats kinda good, he might just tell everyone to "Forget It" and correct this mess. Wether we like it or not Mcain is forever tied to the Bush adminstration, and cannot win this current election cycle.

Finally, something that had to be said. I agree with you.:usflag:

NC Greenscaper
11-03-2008, 12:18 PM
Well guess what, Sarah Palin Gets Govt Assistants for her Disabled child, which is a welfare check according to you. Most people with kids that are disabled are help by the Govt. Next point, most LCO dont make enough to have to give back, and those that do hirer Mexicans @ 6 or 7 bucks a hour. Now spread that wealth....I quit, some of you guys really need to think before you speak, and stop with all the non sense. Even Joe the plumber admitted he doesnt make enough to run a company, not to mention buy one.....which has made him a huge joke....

Where is your source of info on Sarah Palin getting govt assistance. Who do you know that pays Mexicans 6 or 7 $$ per hour. Let us know so we can check all this out.

garydale
11-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Food for thought.


Thomas Jefferson 3rd. President,

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

TomberLawn
11-03-2008, 03:02 PM
Well guess what, Sarah Palin Gets Govt Assistants for her Disabled child, which is a welfare check according to you. Most people with kids that are disabled are help by the Govt. Next point, most LCO dont make enough to have to give back, and those that do hirer Mexicans @ 6 or 7 bucks a hour. Now spread that wealth....I quit, some of you guys really need to think before you speak, and stop with all the non sense. Even Joe the plumber admitted he doesnt make enough to run a company, not to mention buy one.....which has made him a huge joke....

That's better than subsidized murder, which is what tax-funded abortions are.

OK, so maybe your taxes won't go up. What about your customers' taxes? If you work for any corporations or commercial property, their taxes will go up a lot. Then, they might not have enough money to keep you happy, mowing, spraying, seeding, and all that. They'll either cut out some of the services you already provide, or find somebody cheaper. And believe me, if you think lowballers are bad now, just wait until nobody has any money to hire a true professional. The cheap guys will move in, go out of business, and somebody else will move in again in their places.

If you work residential properties, how many of them will have their taxes go up? Or worse yet, how many will lose their jobs because the company they work for is paying a lot more taxes and can't afford to keep them on payroll? You can't look just at your own checkbook as a barometer of how things are going. Look at everybody else, because everybody else are our customers.

By the way, if Joe the plumber was just a "huge joke," why was he placed under such scrutiny by the liberal media and Democrat government officials? I've heard he's even had death threats against him, just for asking if he was going to pay more taxes if he became an entrepreneur.


Good quote, garydale.

tjsquickcuts
11-03-2008, 09:14 PM
That's better than subsidized murder, which is what tax-funded abortions are.

OK, so maybe your taxes won't go up. What about your customers' taxes? If you work for any corporations or commercial property, their taxes will go up a lot. Then, they might not have enough money to keep you happy, mowing, spraying, seeding, and all that. They'll either cut out some of the services you already provide, or find somebody cheaper. And believe me, if you think lowballers are bad now, just wait until nobody has any money to hire a true professional. The cheap guys will move in, go out of business, and somebody else will move in again in their places.

If you work residential properties, how many of them will have their taxes go up? Or worse yet, how many will lose their jobs because the company they work for is paying a lot more taxes and can't afford to keep them on payroll? You can't look just at your own checkbook as a barometer of how things are going. Look at everybody else, because everybody else are our customers.

By the way, if Joe the plumber was just a "huge joke," why was he placed under such scrutiny by the liberal media and Democrat government officials? I've heard he's even had death threats against him, just for asking if he was going to pay more taxes if he became an entrepreneur.


Good quote, garydale.

Lower Ballers have and will always be around so thats no point. As for corporations or commercial property's, their numbers will continue to grow because if the middle class(which about 90% of American Rank) is getting a small tax break, then 9 times out of 10 that money will go right back into the economy. Either they call Joe the Plumber, Joe the landscaper, or go to Joes crab shack, but either way you look at it the money is being re-invested. America is on rock bottom right now, so there is only one way to go and thats up. Things will turn around, and when you start seeing you customer base grow because more of the middle class can finally afford to hirer a Professional to come finish and make better what Dad was trying to do but just didnt have a clue. Sad things is if you think about most big biz, they hide millions in off shore accounts and its never taxed They still pay low wages to worker even though their pockets are fat from paying low taxes and no taxes. So is that really fair. And if you need a example, Wally World is the first that come to mind. Now to continue with my point, jobs will be added once the middle class finally get the breaks. The more thats re-invested the more jobs that will be created. As for example, myself; We have been extremely busy the last few months, so guess what I had to do, hirer two more guys. I wish I could find 2 more guys.

And yes, Joe the Plumber is a Joke....he doesnt even pay his taxes, and has admitted that he couldn't afford to buy a business.

Greenscaper, you know that their are large LCO paying mexicans very low wages. If you didnt know this, what rock have you been under.

Last point, I wonder what could $10bil a month do for our economy. I dont care what you guys say, we did not win this war. We have lost thousands or troops. Our weaknesses were exposed, and all of our high tech equipment sucks and does have us killing a lot of innocent people. I pray for all those innocent kids out there on the front lines being ambushed each and everyday because we are not wanted in their country.....I am sure we wouldnt want the Russians or the Chinamen to invade us and change our way of living. I am just ready to get this election out of the way so we can see our direction.

treegal1
11-04-2008, 09:48 PM
looks like obama...................

FaithNoMan
11-04-2008, 10:12 PM
McCain's against the ropes!

sweetz
11-04-2008, 10:18 PM
McCain's against the ropes!

Ahhhhh....... too bad. :cool2:

Exact Rototilling
11-05-2008, 01:49 AM
Yes to celebrate this election day in full anticipation of the Obama victory I bought myself a Smith & Wesson M&P15 M-4 clone rifle. :clapping:

It just might be that Obamma will do less damage to the country than McPain would have.:hammerhead:

saylorsdad
11-05-2008, 10:33 AM
As per Joe the Plumber he isn't even a plumber, he is behind in his taxes, and he cannot buy the business he works for. If there ever was a poser this guy is one on the grandest scale.
He came out and asked a question to the soon to be most powerful person in the world posing as a person who had saved to be in position to purchase the company he has worked for for years. Mcain then embraced this guy as the American Dream about to happen. The media did some research and low and behold this guy was just talking a good game. If he was legit Mcain might be our next president, turned out he wasn't and Mcain was a bit quick to jump on the Joe the Plumber bandwagon. Heck after he was outed he never got off that bandwagon "You're all Joe the Plumber".
You should thank the media for helping expose someone for who they are. No I am not talking about Joe I am talking about Mcain. The media gave us some more information about Joe so we could better judge Mcain.

DiyDave
11-05-2008, 04:56 PM
saylors dad- you just have to gloat, don't you, why not just let it go, man? I'll tell you- the question could have been asked by a talking squirrel, its the answer that's important. Hussein wants to take your money, and after the government digests a third to a half of it, give it to people who won't work. Hopefully by the time the country sees what Hussein is up to, a new, CONSERVATIVE , republican movement will rise to the occasion of the mid term elections, and correct the mistake they made, by leaving the path of conservatism. McCain lost because he went for the namby pamby limp wristed moderate vote, which deserted him, because he was playing the role of moderate. Time will tell.:usflag:

sweetz
11-05-2008, 05:04 PM
Hussein

You're obviously not gloating. You're just showing your ignorance

DiyDave
11-05-2008, 05:31 PM
I don't care to take this battle of wits any further, as you are obviously unarmed, so lets just say I was trying to be moderate: His name is Barrak Hussein Obama, to call him Barrak would be leftist, to call him Obama is to be a right-winger. I call him Hussein, so as to be that which is worshiped, in today's political scene, extremely moderate!

treegal1
11-05-2008, 06:05 PM
I don't care to take this battle of wits any further, as you are obviously unarmed, so lets just say I was trying to be moderate: His name is Barrak Hussein Obama, to call him Barrak would be leftist, to call him Obama is to be a right-winger. I call him Hussein, so as to be that which is worshiped, in today's political scene, extremely moderate!
left or right you can also call him Mr President

DiyDave
11-05-2008, 06:20 PM
Well, I see some editing of my post has taken place, so I'll leave the discussion off this forum.

sweetz
11-05-2008, 06:40 PM
Well, I see some editing of my post has taken place, so I'll leave the discussion off this forum.

I didn't see your post before it was edited, but oh well. I will say I apologize if you think I was calling you names. I didn't mean it that way.

FaithNoMan
11-05-2008, 10:57 PM
McCain lost because he went for the namby pamby limp wristed moderate vote, which deserted him, because he was playing the role of moderate. Time will tell.:usflag:

McCain lost because of his nasty, nasty campaign, his pick for a VP, and finally, because people were sick of being lied to by Republicans.

I still back Obama 100% and feel he will be a great and intelligent leader, but I also saw some nicer colors of McCain outside of the horrible campaign he was associated with.

Perhaps there is hope that they will work together.

Obama preaches unity, and I only saw that from McCain right at the end, although it was good to see.:usflag: