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mkarch
06-30-2008, 12:42 PM
I have a 15 year old Toro sprinkler system. I order for my zone 2 to work, I first have to turn off the main water supply to the whole system at the gate valve. Next, at the control panel I turn on zone 1 to bleed the water pressure in the system out thru the sprinkler heads. Once that is done, I turn off zone 1 and then turn on zone 2. Of course, nothing happens because the water supply is turned off. I then go back to the main valve and SLOWLY turn on the water supply to the system (if I turn it on FAST it won't work). Zone 2 will begin to work now. I have replaced the solenoid for zone #2 with a new one to no avail. Someone on the "general questions forum" has told me that the diaphragms for #1 and #2 should be replaced. Why the diaphragm for #1? Help!!!

irritation
06-30-2008, 01:15 PM
Sounds like a Flo-Pro valve problem. I would replace all the diaphrams with the new style or better yet, replace all the valves.

Waterit
06-30-2008, 01:23 PM
Sounds like a Flo-Pro valve problem. I would replace all the diaphrams with the new style or better yet, replace all the valves.

Suggestion #2 is the winner. Go with a valve that you can depend on, like a DV or even something out of Hunter's bag of tricks.

The only thing worth doing to a FloPro is replacing it.

irritation
06-30-2008, 02:25 PM
I've actually had pretty good success with the latest Flo-Pro diaphrams.:confused:

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 02:32 PM
That the valve is discontinued is enough.

mkarch
06-30-2008, 04:09 PM
There is a new style diaphragm that will fit into this old valve? Please, tell me about it!

irritation
06-30-2008, 04:28 PM
It's really not a new style but they used a different compound on the piece that the pin slides on and the lip that fits into the body is thicker.
Also make sure you have the spring assisted version. The early versions were not and they came out with a kit to correct it.
I still say replacing them is the best option.

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-30-2008, 06:16 PM
Flo Pro Toro's biggest No No. Having said that I'd just repair in your case. If you want to cut them out and honor your system with some irrigation dignity get a pro to do it.

irrig8r
06-30-2008, 07:11 PM
Ya know, I have Flo Pros here at the house. After diaphragm and solenoid changes a few years back, they do just fine. And I don't recall anything about springs...

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 07:24 PM
Springs were an attempt to overcome the design shortcomings. It would almost be humorous if they made the stupid thing (somewhat) reliable nearly ten years after it was discontinued.

irritation
06-30-2008, 07:32 PM
They didn't have springs the first year. We were getting the repair kits free but never saw a dime for our time and frustration.:hammerhead:

FIMCO-MEISTER
06-30-2008, 07:35 PM
Ya know, I have Flo Pros here at the house. After diaphragm and solenoid changes a few years back, they do just fine. And I don't recall anything about springs...

I agree. We've repaired and they seem to be holding up well. i haven't needed to repair any a second time. Still they should be punished for being so dense mentally in the beginning of the Flo Pro story. That combined with their timers which came out about the same time made them a third tier irrigation company.

Waterit
06-30-2008, 07:50 PM
I agree. We've repaired and they seem to be holding up well. i haven't needed to repair any a second time. Still they should be punished for being so dense mentally in the beginning of the Flo Pro story. That combined with their timers which came out about the same time made them a third tier irrigation company.

How about the Super 606? And the early Super 700's that you could punch the arc lock down into the head? EL-6, Vision I and II...

Good thing their golf equipment (mowing stuff) is good or they'd be the Commodore of our age.

irritation
06-30-2008, 08:02 PM
The 606 F/C is a good head.
89-4104 is the part # for the spring kit. I still have some on the truck.

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 08:06 PM
I see some of the original S700 heads still performing reliably, without any turret lock.

brookviewlawncare
06-30-2008, 08:32 PM
how about the 604 now that was the NUTS

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 08:37 PM
Not the original "flat-top" 604? Or do you mean the opposing-nozzles full-circle popup?

brookviewlawncare
06-30-2008, 08:56 PM
opposing-nozzles full-circle popup !! I dont think they would ever stop turning

irritation
06-30-2008, 09:08 PM
opposing-nozzles full-circle popup !! I dont think they would ever stop turning

I've replaced hundreds that quit rotating and the coverage was never very good.

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 09:21 PM
I managed to avoid the 604 'remake' ~ was the nozzle turret removeable? From the catalog photos, it looked like something built around the XP-300 stream-rotor body.

irritation
06-30-2008, 09:33 PM
It was more a S600 but had the same screen the 300 used.

Waterit
06-30-2008, 10:19 PM
The 606 F/C is a good head.
89-4104 is the part # for the spring kit. I still have some on the truck.

Maybe the FC's were OK, but the PC's were POS's. We put in 192 on 1 job and had 156 fail within the 1st 6 months.:cry:

My S606 experience made me adopt the policy of trying out any new product here at the homestead for minimum 90 days before ever putting it on a customer's system. It's worked out pretty well other than, dare I say it, yes!, FloPro valves.

irritation
06-30-2008, 10:27 PM
Trust me, I hate Toro more than anybody.:laugh:

Wet_Boots
06-30-2008, 10:29 PM
It was more a S600 but had the same screen the 300 used.I also missed out on the Toro head that wound up being sold today in home centers (I think that was the S606) ~ I've actually used a few of the XP-300 stream rotors, to good effect.

FIMCO-MEISTER
07-01-2008, 06:04 AM
Since we've bashed Toro Let's try and find nice things. I learned on Toro systems at A&M. The hydraulic valves last forever. The bullet valves are always a treat to discover. Blows newbies away the first time they see one. The 250 series valves were pretty stout. (The solenoid was a pita though) The original 570 3" popup is a workhorse. I've still got systems where they are working like a champ. There nozzles have a great spray pattern for a plastic nozzle. You can pull up the popup stem with your little finger. The Stream Rotor is one of the all time great heads and made for some really cool system designs. The other larger rotor we installed in the 70s with streams whose name escapes me was pretty nifty as well. My customers loved the EL-6 timer and the freetimes. (I didn't).

Wet_Boots
07-01-2008, 07:05 AM
The Freetime had that one possible glitch, when the zone levers were all set to off, and the manual-start knob was twisted, the combination of which would unwind a spring that was part of starting a watering cycle. Then you had to wait about 24 hours for that spring to be re-tensioned.

Waterit
07-01-2008, 08:55 AM
Since we've bashed Toro Let's try and find nice things.

The name is short and easy to spell.

DanaMac
07-01-2008, 08:57 AM
The name is short and easy to spell.

But it's still a four letter word.

Wet_Boots
07-01-2008, 09:03 AM
That other stream rotor head was called Rain Pro. Good head.

AI Inc
07-01-2008, 06:12 PM
That other stream rotor head was called Rain Pro. Good head.

The second sentance reminds me of a Jim Carrol song.

Waterit
07-01-2008, 09:53 PM
But it's still a four letter word.

I agree wholeheartedly, but Fimco wanted us to find something nice to say!

DanaMac
07-01-2008, 10:26 PM
I agree wholeheartedly, but Fimco wanted us to find something nice to say!

OK, Toro fits nicely in just about any trash can :laugh: