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Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 04:11 PM
I've never had five solenoids go down at once, but Weather-Matic has been
the biggest disappointment in solenoid history & has been reticent to cop to
it. By rights, all these I replaced today should not only be replaced, n/c,
but my labor should be paid, too. WM is warranting the solenoids, but Hank
gets to decide whether to bill the client for my time. You guys replacing these
p.o.s. solenoids with the S24BSAK...be very careful, it has brass threads &
it's easy to cross-thread. Color me p****d off. :hammerhead:

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 05:02 PM
In reply to my own thread...on re-testing the five solenoids removed today, I got, in OHMs, 10.5, 4.3, 10.9, 3.6, but on the fifth one, got 26.1, which should indicate o.k.
I bet if I put that back into service, once it heated up, I'd show short again, though it
could have been a bad King "blue" connection, which I noticed were hardening & turning
to powder. Global warming?

Wet_Boots
07-07-2008, 05:24 PM
I forget, what was the time period given by W*M for their solenoid woes?

txgrassguy
07-07-2008, 05:25 PM
Don't install WM stuff but thanks for the heads up.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 05:32 PM
I forget, what was the time period given by W*M for their solenoid woes?

Just talked to my distributor about it....WM voided "no quibble" replacement
last year. Now, we get to return the crap, the branch sends it to FIMCO for
evaluation, we get billed for the new ones until FIMCO signs off. My brain
hurts...I need a :drinkup: & a smoke.

Wet_Boots
07-07-2008, 05:41 PM
You might try #5 with a current meter, and see if there's a change.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 05:48 PM
You might try #5 with a current meter, and see if there's a change.

Good idea. Any suggestions as to the best?

Wet_Boots
07-07-2008, 06:26 PM
Good idea. Any suggestions as to the best?I dunno, whatever you got that can read AC amperage, which is the least common item you'll find on multimeters. I suppose you could be gentle, and use a lower voltage, since a bare solenoid isn't getting any water cooling.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 06:38 PM
I've seen failed solenoids when the p.o.c. was shut down, but not the clock, causing heat
without the water cooling. If I was a younger version of myself, I'd have a test bench
to really see what happened to the solenoid and what caused it.

Wet_Boots
07-07-2008, 06:49 PM
I've used clamp-around ammeters for solenoid diagnostics, but solenoids draw less current than they used to, and low-current ammeters are not very common. If you made a bench setup, you could have a one-ohm resistor in series with the solenoid, and read the voltage across the resistor, which lets you use AC voltage scales, which all multimeters have.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 06:57 PM
You could do it in the field with a Fluke in your lawnchair. T&M.
The big deal is what causes it?

FIMCO-MEISTER
07-07-2008, 07:57 PM
Weathermatic peruses this site so maybe somebody in that company has the ballz to step forward and apologize. Anytime a product that has been successful starts to fail it is because somebody decided to cheapen it for costs reasons. Don't send them to me. I save old brass thread solenoids to replace those square pieces of junk.

Waterit
07-07-2008, 07:59 PM
Good idea. Any suggestions as to the best?

The round can at the end of the bench that gets emptied a couple of times a week.

Wet_Boots
07-07-2008, 08:08 PM
Why not set up the video camera, and an old electromechanical controller, and run some 220 through those duds? :)

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 08:39 PM
Why not set up the video camera, and an old electromechanical controller, and run some 220 through those duds? :)

Sounds like a Kiril project, by the way..have we ever seen any pics of his stuff?

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Sounds like a Kiril project, by the way..have we ever seen any pics of his stuff?

I thought he was an office guy who can crunch numbers almost as good as boots.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 08:44 PM
I thought he was an office guy who can crunch numbers almost as good as boots.

I think he's SHESHOVEL.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-07-2008, 08:46 PM
I think he's SHESHOVEL.

lol @ she shrubbler..

i miss her.

Mike Leary
07-07-2008, 08:53 PM
[QUOTE=CAPT Stream Rotar;2407960
i miss her.[/QUOTE]

as do I.....:) :)

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-07-2008, 08:54 PM
as do I.....:) :)

I think she posts on ******** now and then...

cgbaseball23
07-07-2008, 11:19 PM
I replace at least 3 or more of those everyday i go out to do service....sighhhh

DanaMac
07-07-2008, 11:21 PM
I replace at least 3 or more of those everyday i go out to do service....sighhhh

Glad I rarely see any here. One company installs WM here.

cgbaseball23
07-08-2008, 12:43 AM
Glad I rarely see any here. One company installs WM here.

Unfortunately we used to install all weathermatic parts, so as you can imagine, it has been a pretty big problem for us =\. However we have switched primarily to Rain Bird, and I could not be happier we did.

WalkGood
07-08-2008, 01:33 AM
I've used clamp-around ammeters for solenoid diagnostics, but solenoids draw less current than they used to, and low-current ammeters are not very common. .

If you take a length of wire and make a loop 10 times, connecting your test subject to it..... use your clamp-around ammeter around all 10 loops. Divide the meter reading by 10. Use 20 loops if needed, divide reading by 20.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-08-2008, 01:45 AM
I did two of those today...

they keep the service end up.

DanaMac
07-08-2008, 06:39 PM
You guys just freakin' jinxed me!! Had a WM solenoid today. But it's older, may 8-12 years. Didn't cause a short or blow a fuse, just wouldn't turn on.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-08-2008, 06:42 PM
Dana these ones I did today were HOT to the touch after about 10 mins...I mean I think a little smoke was pouring out if the water hit it....Cooked some fuses..


WM dropping the ball again.

DanaMac
07-08-2008, 06:46 PM
Dana these ones I did today were HOT to the touch after about 10 mins...

that's the first thing I checked was if it was warm. Nothing. Swapped and fine.

Mike Leary
07-08-2008, 06:47 PM
Dana these ones I did today were HOT to the touch after about 10 mins...

Send all trashed WM solenoids to FIMCO.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-08-2008, 06:48 PM
that's the first thing I checked was if it was warm. Nothing. Swapped and fine.

This woman goes to me and I Quote,"

It Seems that this happens often, and almost every year"

She is so used to this happening that she buys fuses just to get through watering cycles....Pretty smart and she was well educated on the subject to my suprise....

Worst part was a replacement solenoid was @ issue and needed to be replace after the plunger inside it would not retract!!!

ARRRGGH....

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-08-2008, 06:49 PM
Send all trashed WM solenoids to FIMCO.

LOL!!!!

Thanks TEXASSSSSSS

take these back plz

AI Inc
07-09-2008, 06:11 AM
This woman goes to me and I Quote,"

It Seems that this happens often, and almost every year"

She is so used to this happening that she buys fuses just to get through watering cycles....Pretty smart and she was well educated on the subject to my suprise....

Worst part was a replacement solenoid was @ issue and needed to be replace after the plunger inside it would not retract!!!

ARRRGGH....

Should have dug it and installed a real valve.That my MO anytime I come across an SRV these days.

FIMCO-MEISTER
07-09-2008, 06:30 AM
Send all trashed WM solenoids to FIMCO.

No thanks. Send them to WMatic down the road from me.