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tpirobert
01-11-2002, 10:35 PM
I've got a domain name registered. Now I need to build a site and pick a host. Recomendations on programs to build my website and possible hosts. I'm stupid enough to try this with some help from the more experienced. Any thoughts. Thanks

Fantasy Lawns
01-12-2002, 07:00 PM
here's our ... with front page
http://www.ipowerweb.com/?AID=896770&PID=742734

cos
01-12-2002, 11:20 PM
www.gwdhosting.com

This is the cheapest I could find. They have good support too.

Strider
01-13-2002, 12:59 AM
If you are looking for more options you can take a look at http://www.webhostdir.com

tpirobert
01-14-2002, 10:06 PM
Hey guys, thanks for all the info and links. I just signed up for an adult-ed welding class. Probably should have signed up for website development or Frontpage 101.

Nebraska
01-16-2002, 08:32 PM
I am "building" a web page now....

A neighbor who does it full time told me to check poweredby.com...

Anybody used this?

$35 for the year! Is there a catch?

LoneStarLawn
01-16-2002, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Nebraska
I am "building" a web page now....

A neighbor who does it full time told me to check poweredby.com...

Anybody used this?

$35 for the year! Is their a catch?

It's $39 a year and you have to place a small logo on your homepage.

Nebraska
01-16-2002, 08:59 PM
ok, $39 a year with a small logo that can be placed anywhere on the page...

Is it such a bad deal? Is their something that you don't get from other hosting sources?

Is there a catch?

Strider
01-17-2002, 11:53 PM
I would be cautious, the old addage of "if it is too good to be true, it probably is" is more often than not, pretty accurate on the web. To start with, even if they have great contracts setup with someone for their transit, they would lose money if people even used half of what was allocated to them. They offer 6.5 Gigs of data transfer a month with their account. I doubt they are getting their lines any cheaper than $1.00 per Gig so after the first 6 months, if you use everything they allocate to you, they would start to lose money. And transit is only one expense to host your account. I am sure they are betting that most customers will not use the alloted bandwidth but if I was looking for a home for my business site, I wouldn't want to take the chance.

Just my opinion though.

Nebraska
01-18-2002, 12:09 AM
Thanks for the input.

What are some other hosting services not mentioned in this thread that are being used by Lawn and Landscape Co's?

HBFOXJr
01-18-2002, 07:46 AM
Verio (http://www.verio.com)
Marlton Web (http://www.marltonweb.com)

JML
01-18-2002, 04:12 PM
i use www.halfpricehosting.com i have had no complaints..

MadLawn
01-18-2002, 06:23 PM
I have 7 domain name host under http://neitsolutions.com I have no problem and have more email and easy to use control panel. It does come with forum script free.


--MADLAWN :angry:

heygrassman
01-18-2002, 10:11 PM
Just signed up for a year with poweredby.com. So far they have lived up to their end of the deal. Promised instruction within 24 hours and they were there. I am going to upload my page this weekend. I will post the url to judge the speed (not the page - easy.. it is my first real page).

jf

swilcox
01-19-2002, 12:57 PM
Just a note for those still looking. I had another host, but after reading this board, I signed up at NEIT Solutions (http://www.neitsolutions.com). They have a plan with everything you can imagine at $5.95. Many more features than where I was and I'm going to save money.

Thanks MadLawn for that great tip. I'm kicking myself that I was fleeced for so long with those other guys. How did you first find them?

They were very quick setting me up too.

heygrassman
01-20-2002, 10:00 PM
So far, I have no cmplaints with poweredby.com. I am actually very impressed with the the connection speed for the fees.

Here is my link is you would like to see the connection speed. Please dont mind the site. I have a ways to go with it.
http://64.233.5.198/index.htm

tpirobert
01-20-2002, 10:07 PM
heygrassman

Your site loaded very quickly. I will probably go with Poweredby.com as well. I've emailed them with questions and they were very quick to get back. I'll post my final decison here and any site I get started as well.

Nebraska
01-22-2002, 05:35 PM
did you register the domain name there too?

Administrator
01-22-2002, 06:13 PM
My opinion is the most important thing to look for in a host is support and knowledgebase.

Just about anyone can spend a few thousand dollars and become a "host". Its the support and knowledgebase that seperates them.

Remember, you pay for what you get.

Just imagine if every single consumer in your market looked for one low price of $100 for year round full service. Or, $9.95 a cut....

IMHO

Nebraska
01-22-2002, 06:37 PM
Agree. It is a catch 22....guys complain about "low ballers" then start search for the lowest in equipment, marketing, etc...

heygrassman
01-23-2002, 12:28 AM
The name sever change has finally been made. Verio is a little slow when they do not do the hosting.. THe website is still very crude but the url is http://www.ascapes.net.

did you register the domain name there too?
I have other domains that I registered through Verio and wanted to keep all the registrations together. This will slow you down when you go to publish because you have to notify the co who registered where the hoster is located. Verio lets you do this online but it still takes 24-96 hrs (mine was 24). If you are using Front Page to develop poweredby.com is a breeze. They send you directions and it is click - click. POC.

Ahhh now for the fine tuning, March 1 is rolling round the corner...

jf

tpirobert
01-23-2002, 09:51 PM
I registered my domain with 000domains.com Cost was $27 for 2 years. I went ahead and did this before being ready for website to secure the name I wanted.

yardboyltd
02-23-2002, 03:03 PM
I'm in the process of getting my ISP started. The servers should be here next week. I don't currently have the capacity to host LARGE sites, but I'm interested in perhaps helping some of you guys out. I have experience in advanced web page and graphic design. Also I have done some perl scripting for custom CGI scripts.

Bottom line is this: Big Name hosting offers wide bandwidth data transfer. Extreme overkill for the sites I've seen you guys design. There's not alot of content you can put on green service sites. Also, your sites don't get the amount of hits you pay to support. I think my small web server could help you out, especially your pocket book. My server could handle them no problem. Not only that, you already have a contact to help you troubleshoot and someone in the industry who understands what you need.

aquaturf
02-28-2002, 05:29 PM
Cheap web hosting: www.bcn.net --- $50 per year

They have been hosting my site for three years now for $50/year. Nothing fancy, but you can actually call them on the phone and get good service. They are a small business and I highly recommend them. They do not hide behind the internet like many of these hosting co's do.

Bob Minney
02-28-2002, 06:35 PM
I went with Yahoo-8.95 month & $15.00 1X includes registering domain. More space that I'll ever use. Easy set up for a novice to get through.
Picked them for the brand name, have seen many others come & go.

Administrator
03-02-2002, 09:06 PM
yardboyltd

When you go with a "Big Name" hosting company your not only paying for the "overkill" your paying for reliability, around the clock support, daily backups, a stock pile of extra servers, routers, etc., etc., etc., ... Your little ISP server might be cheap but are you going to be able to monitor your system 24/7? Do you have extra routers or hubs, do you have a diesel generator?

Are you going to own your own data center and bandiwth backbone? Or, are you co-locating your own server with a company, such as rackspace?

Or, are you going to setup a computer and run it off your DSL or cable connection?

Perl scripting is becoming ancient ... Do you know mysql, PHP, zend optimizing, etc., etc., ?

These guys might not need 50 gig of bandwith per month, 500 meg of storage, but they do need reliability and technology that comes with "overkill" companies.

yardboyltd
03-03-2002, 01:48 PM
Thanks for enlightening me, I had no idea what big name hosting was all about.

Yes I do have 2 Hour UPS's and system manager unit that will shut down all non-mission critical devices to conserve power until power is restored, in which case it will automatically restore everything back to operational.. It also notifies me via pager in problems and serves as an intruer detection system. This is my 24/7 monitoring. Yes I do have diesel generator for in the field, but any diesel generator won't cut it, especially with UPS on the receiving end. UPS's are very picky about the power they get, and require a very nice sine wave.

Everything from the routers to the remote access terminals are Linux based. This means no costly, proprietary crap that can only be serviced by "qualified techinicians" from companies like Cisco. In the right hands, a linux based router outperforms cisco's and is much more flexible. I can't say that about fiber backbone routers though.

And it's not wise to run an ISP off of cable or DSL. Try a fractional T1 frame relay for starters. It's a multiserver/proccesor enviroment. 6 servers on the primary node.

Yes redundancy is the name of the game. I have a backup node on standby using pirahna. I do have spare parts, and pretty much everything is non proprietary and interchanges easily. Lot of it's hot swappable. The web server will be running on RAID system, with archived daily backups. In the event of a power outage, the backup can be activated automatically.

Now I wish I could say that I have multiple OC-3 lines to seperate backbones, much like the company that advertises on here with the angel baby, but I don't. Most large bandwidth webhosts that are new starts are funded by VC's. That's why they come and go, they get pulled often. Not me, my company stays in the black... FYI the angel baby company guarentees 99.5% uptime. That's pretty good but that equates to 44 hours of downtime in a year.

Yes Perl is older, but that doesn't mean it is becoming extinct. MySQL and PHP has nothing to do with hosting small LCO's who only use frontpage. Besides, there has yet to be language I haven't been able to tackle. Since the birth of the microproccesor, ASSEMBLY has been the grass roots language that makes all other languages, it is what actually controls each i/o, each register. It's ancient, but it's running every intel and it's clones out there. I doubt many web hosts have a clue about assembly, but simply configure their $100k NT webserver according to the video.

Let me just say that I know what I need to know, and I know it well. I'm a bit of perfectionist, and when I offer service to someone, I'm going to make sure it's up there. I aim to please. Each aspect of my business I have researched indepth and made vital decisions to security, redundacy, and speed as to the setup, hardware, configuration and applications. I wouldn't offer the service, if I wouldn't use it and didn't think anyone else could.

Everybody has to start somewhere, and well this is where I'm starting. My customers are my investors, with each investment(purchase of service), they can be reassured they are apart of growing web company that's only going to get better with smart business.

If you don't feel comfortable with hosting with my company, that's perfectly fine, I can understand where your coming from. It's YOUR decision where to host. If you do decide to try my business, relax in the fact that I'm going to do everything in my power to make my business run smoothly, therefore help yours.

P.S. The servers are not yet online, I'm going to take a month to make sure everything is secure, operational, and redundant.

Administrator
03-03-2002, 10:45 PM
Now, that's what we like to hear. You should have angled your first approach like that!

Kudos

yardboyltd
03-04-2002, 06:48 PM
Yea, going back it did seem a little lame. Sorry.

I'd appreciate any business to help get me off the ground quicker. I won't state prices until it's all up and running and I have figured exact run-time costs. I've already talked about incentives with some members like LGF, but those will wait also. Also perhaps I could advertise here, but I know your in that affiliate program with Perfect Prescense. You get 25% of fees?

Basically, I'd just like to know what you guys need to work with, that way I can make package, tailor made for just this type of thing with a tailor made cost. Probably Frontpage extensions? How much space do you guys usually use? Remeber pics. 10mb? How many e-mails? Unless specifically requested, telnet most likely will not be allowed. I will install perl libraries with some typical scripts to use like coutners, message board, etc...

Specifically I'm talking to some of them more demanding users here who use more options. What do you need?

Administrator
03-04-2002, 07:15 PM
Actually, the sponsored host at top hosts turfmfg.com... which, is only used to rotate banners... this time of year LS receives over one million monthly page views though.. 100% not 25%

I am working on a system "package" right now and programming is almost complete. This package will offer LS members everything, including site design. So, it looks like we would have a conflict of interest. My programming should be done very shortly... got delayed because the main programmer had to do something for school that took him away from work.

I will have more details... but, you sound like you know what your doing.. good luck!

yardboyltd
03-04-2002, 09:45 PM
Unfortunate. To the customer, we do the same thing, but are two different bands on a spectrum. I shy away from web design because I'm a perfectionist and I'll spend hours on miniscule things, and simply don't have the time right now. On another note, I will be generating my main revenue off my ISP dial-ups.

There are other venues available to me now. If you'd like, I'm open to discussion privately to benefit both of us. Good luck to you also.

Administrator
03-04-2002, 09:53 PM
Im always open for discussions that will benefit myself and the community.

KirbysLawn
03-11-2002, 01:19 AM
I've always done my own but that's changing. After seeing Bill's new web site I spoke with Mike about having him redo my site and start hosting. While the hosting service is more than what I'm paying now, he works on the site, is accessable, and very friendly. For the years I've been doing this that is very rare. He "threw together" something for me to look at, here was what he showed me:

http://www.computerintegrity.com/union/index.htm

Administrator
03-11-2002, 11:30 AM
Wow, Great stuff ..

What is Mikes LawnSite.com member name?

Chuck

ProMo
03-25-2002, 03:24 PM
i use namesecure.com to register domain it comes with web and email forwarding then go mto freeservers.com select a site and forward it to domain name works great costs me 15 per year

SCL
01-21-2003, 12:28 PM
I brought this post back up to find out if Chuck and yardboyltd have their hosting up and running? Stating to bang out a site and am looking around some.

Envision
01-25-2003, 05:07 PM
www.doteasy.com is a great hosting company, I have about 4 domains hosted with them and I have not had a single complaint. They are free but you only get 20mb of storage, so if you have quite a few pictures you can fill that up quick. They don't have phone support or anything like that, just email support but I haven't had a need for that in the past 2 years.

Just my 2 cents.

pilotcoplawnboy
01-25-2003, 05:15 PM
I use http://www.winsave.com .

KirbysLawn
01-27-2003, 04:17 AM
Robert, did you get your site up?

tpirobert
01-28-2003, 10:01 AM
Ray

My "site" is still a work in progress, although I have not worked on it in a few months. I did take a crash course in Dreamweaver, but you got to use it or lose it. When I finally get the site up and running it wil be at tpilandscaperservice.com . A long name for sure, but that's my business name ( on side of truck and enclosed trailer ) so hopefully my customers and others will find it. A shorter road would be to hire out my web site, but I'm just stubborn and stupid enough to ram my head onto cyberspace till I get it right! I need a local Dreamweaver guru/friend to help out. Are you still hiring out your site? I'll have to check it out.

pilotcoplawnboy
01-31-2003, 09:36 AM
Robert if I were u I would shorten the domain name a little. That would be confusing if someone sees you going down the street and trys to decipher what it says. Of course I used .us instead of .com because it was cheaper and shorter. Plus .us is for USA based websites only. Atleast that's what they say. How about tpilandscape.com or .us. When you put service on the end it looks as if the word landscaper is in there and causes one to have and sort out the words all over. This is just a suggestion and I mean no harm or criticism what-so-ever. I wish you all the luck with this project. Locklear.