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Sean Adams
07-16-2008, 04:23 PM
I was listening to a radio talking head this morning accepting calls from his listeners allowing them to call in and give their own personal suggestion on how we can fix the economy and end the much debated recession we have going on right now.

I am curious - being that these callers were getting about 30 seconds each to give their opinion, what would you have called in and suggested as a solution if you only had 30 seconds to state your case?

Let me hear them.

Charles
07-16-2008, 05:56 PM
Get rid of W. The clown is bringing us down:cry:
Get out of Iraq or start billing them big money$$$ for babysitting/rebuilding. Too much government borrowing is making the dollar decline.The dollar would then start to rise. Gas prices would then go down, along with everything influenced by high gas prices
What the Federal Reserve is doing now--make people qualify for homes with strict guidelines
Ramp up research into alternative sources and products that use them. The new products will create new jobs
Get rid of W:laugh::waving:

capelawncare.com
07-16-2008, 05:59 PM
If someone says they can solve our economic problems in 30 seconds, they are either a moron or incredibly bright. most likely a moron though

Charles
07-16-2008, 06:17 PM
If someone says they can solve our economic problems in 30 seconds, they are either a moron or incredibly bright. most likely a moron though

Finally a right winger admits there is a problem. Will wonders never cease:cool2::waving:

Grass Happens
07-16-2008, 06:24 PM
Let Ron Paul do his thing.
And Done.

IA_James
07-16-2008, 06:50 PM
If someone says they can solve our economic problems in 30 seconds, they are either a moron or incredibly bright. most likely a moron though

+1. Just talking about the trade changes would take you 5 minutes.

capelawncare.com
07-16-2008, 10:00 PM
Finally a right winger admits there is a problem. Will wonders never cease:cool2::waving:


I never said there were not problems, I have always said Government is not the solution.

Exact Rototilling
07-17-2008, 12:17 AM
Let Ron Paul do his thing.
And Done.

+1

I could go into a long winded reason of the how and why of economic policy - return to a gold & silver monetary standard - how the Gov't is intentionally inflating and devaluing our currency . . etc. but I won't. Obaoma we are hosed - McCain we are hosed. Not much difference nor will there be any change of policy.

Vote for principle this year - Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.


Complete lack of GOP support for Ron Paul . . . thanks for nothing neo-cons. Sorry Bob Barr is distant 2nd choice for me.

Az Gardener
07-17-2008, 01:20 AM
Black out the media, I think that will go a long way to ease the "recession". Sure would not be a line of people trying to close accounts at Indy Mac if Shumer had not opened his big trap.

How would you like it if your clients knew you were having employee trouble, cash flow trouble and they all decide to find another LCO because you might not be able to provide their service. One thing is for certain is most business would end up bankrupt if the client always knew what was going on behind the scenes.

The only people that would know home prices were down would be people trying to buy or sell a home and of course those in the industry.

Much of it is self fulfilling prophecy.

Except for fuel prices everything is great here. I'm having a great year, I'm closing many more new clients, selling many extras. Great pool of job seekers, guys value their job. They are coming to work on time every day, doing what I ask.

If it were not for the media I would have no idea we are on the edge of the Apocalypse. But you know us conservatives, ignorance is bliss :laugh:

JKUCSMA
07-17-2008, 04:54 AM
Quit spending what we don't have,and shut the media up

Grandview
07-17-2008, 07:18 AM
First I do not believe we are in a recession. A recession is two quarters of negative growth. We have not had one. Unemployment is still only 5.5%. Several things can be done to stimulate the economy. First make the Bush tax cuts permanent. This would let businesses and investors know where they stand. Right now they are in limbo, plus the Democrats threatening to raise taxes significantly. Second get rid of corporate taxes. This would encourage more domestic and foreign investment. It would also raise the dollar. Third, start using our domestic supplies of energy; coal, oil, shale oil, and nuclear. It would create jobs and investment. Let the market determine the energy we use. The government has pushed us toward ethanol and wind energy. Both are a disaster. Fourth, privatize social security. Let people make the investment choices. Right now based on my social security report I will not even get my principle back. I could have stuck that money in CDs and done better. It would let people keep more of their money. Fifth, balance the budget, cut spending. If we had just listened to Bush the last 7 years most of that list would be done. Maybe we need to give him four more years.

IA_James
07-17-2008, 02:09 PM
If we had just listened to Bush the last 7 years most of that list would be done. Maybe we need to give him four more years.

You're kidding right?

JKUCSMA
07-17-2008, 02:34 PM
I sure hope so,4 more years of bush,no way.

n-green
07-17-2008, 03:26 PM
I'm with Az. Turn off the news, things will improve.

Charles
07-17-2008, 03:39 PM
I'm with Az. Turn off the news, things will improve.

Thats how we got into this mess. Not many keep informed. Watching FOX so-called rahah government TV, is not neccessarily keeping informed on real news:rolleyes: The Federal Reserve chairman is one of those government officials saying the economy is in trouble. He is not employed by the media as far as I know:waving:

Grandview
07-17-2008, 05:15 PM
You're kidding right?

Everything in that list would help the economy. Bush has proposed most of those things, but congress has been in the way.

IA_James
07-17-2008, 06:22 PM
Everything in that list would help the economy. Bush has proposed most of those things, but congress has been in the way.

In detail, please describe how. Especially how having GW in charge for 4 more years. I am particularly looking forward to that.

Charles
07-17-2008, 07:19 PM
Everything in that list would help the economy. Bush has proposed most of those things, but congress has been in the way.

Repubs controlled the Congress for Ws first 4 years. W never vetoed any of their spending or anything else for that matter. He found his veto pen when the Dems got marginal control

deerhunter271
07-18-2008, 05:28 AM
other than the price of fuel which the price a barrel has come down since GW said we would start drilling everything is been good, plenty of work. Get the Dems. out of congress and dig up Ronald Regan,he would end the wars in Iraq & afgans. quick.:)

IA_James
07-18-2008, 11:18 AM
other than the price of fuel which the price a barrel has come down since GW said we would start drilling everything is been good, plenty of work. Get the Dems. out of congress and dig up Ronald Regan,he would end the wars in Iraq & afgans. quick.:)

By GASP cutting and running just like he did in Lebanon? Dirty pinko commie liberal!!!:laugh:

Grassman08
07-18-2008, 11:30 AM
First of all I am a conservative, an American first, but a Conservative. I have supported Bush through the years, and have been betrayed, and sold down the river on a number of issues. I still support the Iraq war, false premise or not, It is what we have to do, finish and victory. The Fed needs to stop printing money. Congress needs to pull their heads out of their rear end and allow companies to drill for oil and extract the coal for oil, that is why they are making record profits. Invest and test new fuel sources, give those who do tax breaks. The Banks need to FAIL to those shouty loans they sold. Where is the good old Innovative, and Responsible Americans who can make things happen and solve our issues, it is all in the responsible, and civic private industry. Please Tell the TRUTH about OBAMA, the Socialist, NO HOPE and /or CHANGE, JUST EUROPE!

JKUCSMA
07-18-2008, 01:14 PM
The price of oil came down because the federal reserve chairman said people are buying less,so the spectulators on wall street lowered future bids.

topsites
07-19-2008, 09:33 AM
Yes it is very simple.

Give me money, legal tender, for free, lots of it.
Then send over friendly unattached women my way, also in quantity.

And it might not fix the recession
but I think things would at least
appear to be all right.

Although to be honest, I could likely use more money than women.

nosparkplugs
07-20-2008, 10:30 AM
1.) lift the moratorium on off shore or inland oil drilling, and really start drilling "right now"!!!!!!!
2.) build new oil refineries & storage facilities in the US for our own production
3.) war should be fought the old fashion way VIOLENTLY
4.) Mend the racial tension in this country elect Obama:laugh:
5.) Do away with government assistance programs for those who do not actively seek out employment

Albemarle Lawn
07-20-2008, 12:20 PM
Change we can believe in. Papa 'bama will fix everything and take care of you cradle to grave LOL!

Az Gardener
07-20-2008, 12:51 PM
Although to be honest, I could likely use more money than women.

That's because you are getting old :laugh: You would not have said that as a 21 yr old guy. Back then the only thing you needed $$ for was the women :laugh:

JKUCSMA
07-20-2008, 01:00 PM
I'am getting old too,but the girls and money would work.I sure hope people are right about Obama,cause I don't really like him.

kleankutslawn
07-20-2008, 05:59 PM
well you guys are only talking about Obama,what is good about McCain that we should vote for him

topsites
07-20-2008, 11:26 PM
That's because you are getting old :laugh: You would not have said that as a 21 yr old guy. Back then the only thing you needed $$ for was the women :laugh:

That hasn't changed at all but you're right about the getting old part thou :p

However, I'm taking the lack of gratuitous checks in my mail as a negative answer to that,
and I ain't seen no females showing up neither thou if things change I'll keep ya posted.

Nah don't worry I ain't holding my breath.
Come to think of it skip the females just send the money lmao

Trenchblade
07-21-2008, 09:24 AM
The fair tax, get the government out of private industry, end the war on drugs, and turn Iraq into a giant gas station for the U.S..

topsites
07-21-2008, 11:27 AM
The fair tax, get the government out of private industry, end the war on drugs, and turn Iraq into a giant gas station for the U.S..

I like this idea except the fair tax ain't really fair either and the rich will still get out of paying it if anyone thinks it will tax those who really need to get taxed, what will happen is that stupid tax will nail those who are getting nailed now and it won't fix a thing. Because the rich hire accountants to do their taxes, these folks aren't about to start telling their customers how it can't be done, and it might take a little while but it's only a matter of time before these folks find the new tax havens.

Fair tax my butt, that guy's just about as clueless except maybe it would simplify things but as for actual help?
And what if it does make things a lot simpler?
What happens then is the IRS has less work and sends a lot of folks home, unemployment goes up, more Lco's hit the streets, stuff like that is what happens and how about it.

So the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, right back to square one.

Trenchblade
07-21-2008, 11:57 AM
I like this idea except the fair tax ain't really fair either and the rich will still get out of paying it if anyone thinks it will tax those who really need to get taxed, what will happen is that stupid tax will nail those who are getting nailed now and it won't fix a thing. Because the rich hire accountants to do their taxes, these folks aren't about to start telling their customers how it can't be done, and it might take a little while but it's only a matter of time before these folks find the new tax havens.

Fair tax my butt, that guy's just about as clueless except maybe it would simplify things but as for actual help?
And what if it does make things a lot simpler?
What happens then is the IRS has less work and sends a lot of folks home, unemployment goes up, more Lco's hit the streets, stuff like that is what happens and how about it.

So the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, right back to square one.

sounds like you need to do a little research on the fair tax. For one, the rich will feel it the hardest. There would be no way to hire an accountant to find loopholes. There would be no loopholes cause you would not be filing taxes. If rush limbah wanted to buy a g4 jet he would not be able to write it off, he would get stuck with paying a huge amount of tax when he bought it and thats that. no write offs and loopholes like that anymore. everyone would have to pay taxes, including illegals, off the bookers, drug dealers, and everyone else who get off with no tax burden. the poor still get knocked off the tax rolls and barely have to pay taxes, the rich will have to pay there fair share with no more write off and loopholes. I dont think getting rid of the irs and its workers is going to put lso's out of business. I dont know how you came up with that. Hire out of work irs guys instead of illegals i guess

Stirdy
07-21-2008, 02:20 PM
the fair tax ain't really fair either
It's a giant leap in the right direction, if nothing else. But I suppose that depends on your definition of 'fair'.

and the rich will still get out of paying it if anyone thinks it will tax those who really need to get taxed
If you research the Fair Tax a little bit I think you'll see that it's designed to tax everyone fairly and equally. It's a consumption-based system. Rich people tend to consume more products, thus they will pay more taxes than a lower income family who consumes less products.

Because the rich hire accountants to do their taxes, these folks aren't about to start telling their customers how it can't be done, and it might take a little while but it's only a matter of time before these folks find the new tax havens
It may come as a surprise to you but accountants actually don't want to do your taxes. They would much rather be helping you to make real decisions with the money that you actually have than to spend their time trying to manipulate the world's most complicated and confusing tax system. The sad truth is that having an accountant do your taxes is a lot like having the Cable Guy come change your channels for you. But we just accept it because that's what we've always known.

And what if it does make things a lot simpler?
When things become simpler they become faster and more easily accomplished. This leads to a reduction in man-hours which leads to a lower overhead which leads to a lower competitive price at the end of the day. I like lower prices. Another thing I like is the thought that one year in the future April 15th could be just another day. Let's just all pretend you didn't just ask that.

What happens then is the IRS has less work and sends a lot of folks home, unemployment goes up, more Lco's hit the streets, stuff like that is what happens and how about it.
First of all, avoiding a change that will better the entire country because a few people might be temporarily unemployed does not sound like a very wise strategy. Secondly, your point here is completely invalid because if the Fair Tax does come into effect and the IRS does shut it's doors forever any loss in jobs at the IRS would be counteracted a dozen times over by all of the new opportunities that would open in small businesses all across the country, not to mention all of the companies that are currently operating overseas to avoid all of our insane tax penalties, and even companies that have never operated inside the U.S. would then be drawn to locate here because of the Fair Tax. There would be a net gain in jobs, not a loss.

So the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, right back to square one.
That's just a bedtime story for underachievers.

Grassman08
07-21-2008, 08:09 PM
First of all' where in anything does it say life is fair? Second of all, if we go to a fair tax, which i support, the more you make the more you pay in taxes, what isn't't fair about that? Take if the tax rate is 22% on all income, that 22% on $100,000 is much different than 22% on $25,0000. The guy making $100K is paying more taxes. What Incentive is there, besides cheating on our taxes, is there for someone who is successful, and innovative to work even harder to improve his/her and possibly our lives, only to give it back to a bureaucracy of whiners (politicians.) I am not an economist, but I understand what this country used to stand for. America the land of Opportunity, not red tape.

:usflag:

topsites
07-21-2008, 11:23 PM
sounds like you need to do a little research on the fair tax. For one, the rich will feel it the hardest.

No they wouldn't, if they did they wouldn't be rich in the first place.
As for research, the rich are already feeling it the hardest under the current system!
Look it up, the more you make = the more you pay.
Man...

There would be no loopholes cause you would not be filing taxes.

So if nobody files taxes how exactly does it get paid again?
Who collects it, who enforces it, who checks to make sure it really is the right amount?!

You mean, you pay at the cash register?
Right, and who is on the receiving end of that, an IRS employee?
NO!
The store owner ultimately is, and you're telling me the store owner doesn't have to file taxes?
Oh he does, because he's special, does he?

Gee well if I were rich I think I'd be all for being on the receiving end of such a cash register.
That's just one dumb idea, the rich simply buy and own the store, you pay.
Dude...

How about Social Security, how do we take care of the old folks, can we just put them up at your house or what?

Fair tax LMAO!

If rush limbah wanted to buy a g4 jet he would get stuck with paying a huge amount of tax when he bought it and thats that. no write offs and loopholes like that anymore.

No he wouldn't, seeing how much the amount of tax is on that jet he could likely order it from overseas or even fly to Europe to buy it, much in the same way those who fly to Europe for medical care because it's cheaper.

everyone would have to pay taxes

Everyone is supposed to be paying taxes NOW!


I dont think getting rid of the irs and its workers is going to put lso's out of business. I dont know how you came up with that.

It was an example...
omg dude...

Forget it, I can see it is pointless, lets just say the fair tax will never pass
and all these dreamers can dream on and thank you and see ya.

topsites
07-21-2008, 11:39 PM
It's a giant leap in the right direction, if nothing else. But I suppose that depends on your definition of 'fair'.

Well a flat sales tax isn't fair to those who can't afford it when the rich have always had to pay 50% on their income tax LMAO this stupid fair tax would actually be a tax break in and of itself, the richer you are the cheaper it gets!

You guys think rich people spend the most money hence they'd pay the most tax?
You guys think their gallon of milk costs more than yours or mine?
You think it's that simple, that is the problem with the fair tax is it fails to 'get' the BIG picture.

Let me clue you in:
They don't live in million dollar homes because they just happen to have so much money it stinks.
The real REASON they buy those homes is because buying a home is an investment.
But now, you say they have to pay 25% on a million and that's $250,000...!!!
Sounds good, doesn't it?
Heck yeah except that's a whole lot cheaper than the 50% they used to HAVE to pay on the INCOME they used to HAVE to go out and get a JOB to EARN that money to pay off the stupid million in the first place.

*&%^!

Dumbest thing I've ever heard of, somebody must've had a LOT of time
on their hands to come up with that fair tax load of BS.

MowHouston
07-22-2008, 01:03 AM
Chuck Norris for Prez.

That is all. Thank you.

Stirdy
07-22-2008, 09:28 AM
No they wouldn't, if they did they wouldn't be rich in the first place.
This logic makes no sense.


As for research, the rich are already feeling it the hardest under the current system! Look it up, the more you make = the more you pay. Man...
That's not research. And you're contradicting yourself.


So if nobody files taxes how exactly does it get paid again? Who collects it, who enforces it, who checks to make sure it really is the right amount?! You mean, you pay at the cash register?
Right, and who is on the receiving end of that, an IRS employee? NO! The store owner ultimately is, and you're telling me the store owner doesn't have to file taxes? Oh he does, because he's special, does he? Gee well if I were rich I think I'd be all for being on the receiving end of such a cash register.
That's just one dumb idea, the rich simply buy and own the store, you pay.
Dude...
I'm trying really hard to follow your point here. Are you saying that the smart thing to do would be to own the store so that you could cheat the taxes? I'm sure that kind of thing doesn't go on at all right now.

How about Social Security, how do we take care of the old folks, can we just put them up at your house or what? Fair tax LMAO!
Under our current system the Social Security fund will be flat broke by the year 2042. Looks like we might ALL be coming to live with you, since you know everything. Surely you've got it all figured out.



much in the same way those who fly to Europe for medical care because it's cheaper
Oh man. Tell me you're kidding. You have your facts backwards. They come HERE for healthcare. Because over here they can actually get SEEN instead of dying in a waiting room.



Everyone is supposed to be paying taxes NOW!
Yeah, and this current tax code is flawless, huh?

Forget it, I can see it is pointless, lets just say the fair tax will never pass and all these dreamers can dream on and thank you and see ya.
The good news for you is that even though you're too shortsighted and narrowminded to see how the Fair Tax would be a huge improvement over our current system, there are still lots of smart people in small rooms working towards making it happen. You keep throwing your money away, that must be working good for you.

Stirdy
07-22-2008, 09:41 AM
Well a flat sales tax isn't fair to those who can't afford it when the rich have always had to pay 50% on their income tax LMAO this stupid fair tax would actually be a tax break in and of itself, the richer you are the cheaper it gets!
I've already explained to you that it's consumption based. I guess you don't get it.

You guys think rich people spend the most money hence they'd pay the most tax? You guys think their gallon of milk costs more than yours or mine? You think it's that simple, that is the problem with the fair tax is it fails to 'get' the BIG picture.
Humor me. How much does a 'rich mans' gallon of milk cost? I'm really interested in this.

Let me clue you in:
They don't live in million dollar homes because they just happen to have so much money it stinks. The real REASON they buy those homes is because buying a home is an investment. But now, you say they have to pay 25% on a million and that's $250,000...!!! Sounds good, doesn't it?
Huh?

Heck yeah except that's a whole lot cheaper than the 50% they used to HAVE to pay on the INCOME they used to HAVE to go out and get a JOB to EARN that money to pay off the stupid million in the first place.
Are you still complaining about rich people here? I can't tell.

*&%^!
You make me feel much the same way.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard of, somebody must've had a LOT of time on their hands to come up with that fair tax load of BS.
Yea, those Harvard economists don't have a clue! HAHA.

Az Gardener
07-22-2008, 10:42 AM
There is a reason there is a thing called a topsiteism here on site. :laugh: Welcome to lawn site Stirdy. Good information, hope to hear more from you in the future. Don't let toppy make you crazy.

Stirdy
07-22-2008, 12:49 PM
There is a reason there is a thing called a topsiteism here on site. :laugh: Welcome to lawn site Stirdy. Good information, hope to hear more from you in the future. Don't let toppy make you crazy.

It's all good, A.G.! I enjoy the challenge.

Thanks for the support, buddy. Take her easy. :usflag:

Trenchblade
07-22-2008, 01:31 PM
No they wouldn't, if they did they wouldn't be rich in the first place.
As for research, the rich are already feeling it the hardest under the current system!
Look it up, the more you make = the more you pay.
Man...



So if nobody files taxes how exactly does it get paid again?
Who collects it, who enforces it, who checks to make sure it really is the right amount?!

You mean, you pay at the cash register?
Right, and who is on the receiving end of that, an IRS employee?
NO!
The store owner ultimately is, and you're telling me the store owner doesn't have to file taxes?
Oh he does, because he's special, does he?

Gee well if I were rich I think I'd be all for being on the receiving end of such a cash register.
That's just one dumb idea, the rich simply buy and own the store, you pay.
Dude...

How about Social Security, how do we take care of the old folks, can we just put them up at your house or what?

Fair tax LMAO!



No he wouldn't, seeing how much the amount of tax is on that jet he could likely order it from overseas or even fly to Europe to buy it, much in the same way those who fly to Europe for medical care because it's cheaper.



Everyone is supposed to be paying taxes NOW!




It was an example...
omg dude...

Forget it, I can see it is pointless, lets just say the fair tax will never pass
and all these dreamers can dream on and thank you and see ya.

your right, the fair tax will probably not make it anywhere (mostly becuse of closed minded people like you) and talking to you about this is like arguing with a woman, i come with some logic and you start making up stuff that gets so far away from the point its crazy, so i am getting out of this now.
Peace be with you my friend.

Grass Happens
07-22-2008, 06:59 PM
arguing with topsites...
Its like arguing with a rock, but less likely to go anywhere.

lawnman_scott
07-22-2008, 10:49 PM
your right, the fair tax will probably not make it anywhere (mostly becuse of closed minded people like you) and talking to you about this is like arguing with a woman, i come with some logic and you start making up stuff that gets so far away from the point its crazy, so i am getting out of this now.
Peace be with you my friend.under the fair tax system what would it cost you if you went in to your local indian owned conveneince store and bought $100 worth of cigs and soda? I bet 5 $20's would cover it.

Trenchblade
07-23-2008, 07:56 AM
under the fair tax system what would it cost you if you went in to your local indian owned conveneince store and bought $100 worth of cigs and soda? I bet 5 $20's would cover it.
yep, and the overall price would drop a little, cause all the embedded taxes would be out of there too

Envy Lawn Service
11-03-2008, 11:54 PM
Quit spending what we don't have,and shut the media up

... And become self-contained/self sufficent as a country again.



Today we are a nation of CONSUMERS, and so is our government.


Most of our production no longer exists.
We have become service workers to earn the money we consume with.
We make it here serving someone, and spend our money off-shore.

Read that last sentence again.... the root cause of our problems is not all that hard to understand or lengthy to explain. It's not hard for a country to go broke at the rate our wealth is leaving circulation here.


If everyone in the green industry in your hometown spent all their money for equippment and supplies out of town, your local providers would go broke right? And those people who went broke wouldn't have your money to spend for anything else in your local area right?..... NOT A LOT DIFFERENT.

topsites
11-04-2008, 09:15 AM
yep, and the overall price would drop a little, cause all the embedded taxes would be out of there too

Dammit and just how do you folks propose paying for Social Security?
Do we just abolish that and tell all the old folks to forget their retirement check?

TNT LawnCare Inc.
11-04-2008, 12:32 PM
[QUOTE=Envy Lawn Service;2587049]... And become self-contained/self sufficent as a country again.



:usflag:Ah yes the good ole Days, I couldnt agree more !:usflag:

JKUCSMA
11-04-2008, 02:14 PM
Yes Yes Yes

gfking01
12-10-2008, 11:05 PM
officially declare Reaganomics dead.. trickle down simply puddled up on wall street.
To fix the recession:
- reinstate tax deductibility for auto loans and consumer credit cards (undo Reagan's tax reform)
- eliminate individual income taxes for a period of one year (only cost 300b, 1/2 what wall streets getting - result would cause either an economic boon or people retiring debt. or making their mortgate payments, or whatever - all good for an economy that is 2/3 based on consumerism)

Lawnworks
12-11-2008, 09:12 AM
officially declare Reaganomics dead.. trickle down simply puddled up on wall street.
To fix the recession:
- reinstate tax deductibility for auto loans and consumer credit cards (undo Reagan's tax reform)
- eliminate individual income taxes for a period of one year (only cost 300b, 1/2 what wall streets getting - result would cause either an economic boon or people retiring debt. or making their mortgate payments, or whatever - all good for an economy that is 2/3 based on consumerism)

I don't agree with your assessment on trickle down. Of course money trickles down!!! It trickles into my bank account every week

I like your second idea... it is our money in the first place! Unfortunately, that idea does not mesh with marxism.

jaybow
12-11-2008, 11:17 AM
I agree with what Exact Rototilling said about the government purposely devaluing the dollar.Get ready for the North American Union and eventually a one world government and the new amero dollar.
My 30 second comment would be to bring God back into our culture and government and restore peoples morales,values,self worth.Parents take your children to church and teach them about God and if you dont know about God pickup a Bible and learn about the one who created this world.The solution to all of this mess is in the bible and the standard of living God gave us to live by.There is no problem that wouldn't be solved if people would observe and live by the ten commandments.

jaybow
12-11-2008, 11:36 AM
... And become self-contained/self sufficent as a country again.



Today we are a nation of CONSUMERS, and so is our government.


Most of our production no longer exists.
We have become service workers to earn the money we consume with.
We make it here serving someone, and spend our money off-shore.

Read that last sentence again.... the root cause of our problems is not all that hard to understand or lengthy to explain. It's not hard for a country to go broke at the rate our wealth is leaving circulation here.


If everyone in the green industry in your hometown spent all their money for equippment and supplies out of town, your local providers would go broke right? And those people who went broke wouldn't have your money to spend for anything else in your local area right?..... NOT A LOT DIFFERENT.

That is definitely a problem but more a result of other problems.The United States is know filled with deadbeat people trying to make a living off lawsuites and taking what they didn't work for.Everybody is raping everybody for money.Corporate scandals,CEOs living lifestyles fit for kings,people trying to make legal thing that are immoral.Once upon a time this country wasn't the immoral mess it is right now.So its not one individual politician or president or law that is the problem its the entire american culture that needs transformed.The Bible offers a standard of living that would cure this mess like it or not.

gfking01
12-12-2008, 10:02 PM
I just can't subscribe to the trickle down hypothesis. It presupposes that the more you have the more you'll spend - on everything. The gulf between the wealth and poor has grown at an unprecedented rate under this TD economic period - which clearly points to the fact that it ain't trickling near enough or comparable with the rate at which is accumulating. It's not sustainable nor proven for simple math reasons.

I find it ironic that the same 'deregulate business' philosophy politicians are the very same ones that drug their feet on first the bank bailouts and now the American automobile industry. It's such a show. The reason the automakers are in trouble is the lack of buyers and financing. All we hear about is how they failed at making good cars, which is ridiculous and is not the root cause of their dilemma. It's those deregulated banks that have wreaked havoc on the world's markets. They're in denial while people are losing their jobs and homes.. and they just keep on pontificating... incredible.

Another thing the gov ought to do is remove all the incentives to ship middle income jobs offshore. An income equilibrium will eventually be established around the world but but then all those jobs will be everywhere except here. They'll never be back.

Lawnworks
12-15-2008, 09:41 PM
I just can't subscribe to the trickle down hypothesis. It presupposes that the more you have the more you'll spend - on everything. The gulf between the wealth and poor has grown at an unprecedented rate under this TD economic period - which clearly points to the fact that it ain't trickling near enough or comparable with the rate at which is accumulating. It's not sustainable nor proven for simple math reasons.

Why are people cutting back on there spending now? What do you think people are going to do with there money besides spend it.... save it??


I find it ironic that the same 'deregulate business' philosophy politicians are the very same ones that drug their feet on first the bank bailouts and now the American automobile industry. It's such a show. The reason the automakers are in trouble is the lack of buyers and financing. All we hear about is how they failed at making good cars, which is ridiculous and is not the root cause of their dilemma. It's those deregulated banks that have wreaked havoc on the world's markets. They're in denial while people are losing their jobs and homes.. and they just keep on pontificating... incredible.

I think the unions have destroyed the american auto industry. And democrats were not exactly gungho about regulating Fannie and Freddie... Bush tried to pass legislation in 04... you will not hear that on cnn though.


Another thing the gov ought to do is remove all the incentives to ship middle income jobs offshore. An income equilibrium will eventually be established around the world but but then all those jobs will be everywhere except here. They'll never be back.

We should remove the incentive... lower taxes. The reason jobs are shipped off is the fact that we have the second highest corporate tax structure in the world.

Tyler7692
12-17-2008, 07:41 PM
Ok, the problem is nobody has any real money. Opening credit markets won't help a damn thing, that's what started this mess.

We are pretty much screwed. I mean, now the government is spending money that it doesn't even have!

Groomer
12-18-2008, 01:28 PM
Washington should have been named Porkopolis along time ago. Trickle this and trickle that, tax cuts and tax breaks, union this and offshore that, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. The corporate cats and the politicos are one big greedy company. But the chickens are coming home to roost, by the flock, and the middle class will cease. Democracies rise, democracies fall. The house of cards is coming down, in free-fall. Too many answers, too little time. Sieze the day and live it, baby! My city, by the way, just made #10 on the latest Forbes list, under america's fastest dying towns! Now wouldn't that be a hell of a place to start a lawn service?

Lawnworks
12-18-2008, 05:51 PM
Washington should have been named Porkopolis along time ago. Trickle this and trickle that, tax cuts and tax breaks, union this and offshore that, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. The corporate cats and the politicos are one big greedy company. But the chickens are coming home to roost, by the flock, and the middle class will cease. Democracies rise, democracies fall. The house of cards is coming down, in free-fall. Too many answers, too little time. Sieze the day and live it, baby! My city, by the way, just made #10 on the latest Forbes list, under america's fastest dying towns! Now wouldn't that be a hell of a place to start a lawn service?

In the last 10 years the middle class has not shrunk... just the smart ones have moved UP not down. Capitalism is what made this country great... there has been none like it... when we start mucking it up with socialism it starts to make a downturn. We know socialism is a failed policy, but somehow these liberals cannot subscribe to reality.

PROCUT1
12-18-2008, 06:02 PM
In the last 10 years the middle class has not shrunk... just the smart ones have moved UP not down. Capitalism is what made this country great... there has been none like it... when we start mucking it up with socialism it starts to make a downturn. We know socialism is a failed policy, but somehow these liberals cannot subscribe to reality.

Um have you happened to look at the news or picked up a newspaper in the past couple of years?

Lawnworks
12-18-2008, 06:31 PM
Um have you happened to look at the news or picked up a newspaper in the past couple of years?

Yeah I have. The cause of the housing bubble can be traced back to gov't beuracracy/intervention.

Have you ever found a socialist utopia in past history?

Groomer
12-18-2008, 08:41 PM
This democatic idea that the founding fathers started so many years ago, before they realized there was such a vast continent to claim, has long since disappeared. A shaky frame remains, and we happen to be here at this point in history. Too bad for us, history is what it is. Those now defunct nations that we invaded all those years ago when we landed here, don't really have a say anymore.

Groomer
12-19-2008, 12:36 PM
The constitution has been ignored, exploited, and misinterpreted for years, long before I arrived. And I do in fact mean nations, check your native american history.

americanlawn
12-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Me too. Using OPM's (other peoples's money) = "cost shifting".....This is unconstitutional.

Folks that bust their ass 5 or 6 days a week are paying for "others' "CHOSEN EXPENSES". ie: Americans that choose NOT TO WORK for a living are being SUPPORTED by hard-working American paychecks, cuz they are picking up the tab for KNUCKLEDRAGGERS...........


It can't be any sicker than that. You would think our politicians would be able to add 2 + 2 and come up with four.:confused:

Doster's L & L
12-19-2008, 11:51 PM
I will second the notion to drill drill drill... Not necessarily for crude oil, but rather for natural gas. We have the untapped reserves of natural gas in the US that will rival the supplies of sweet crude that is in Iran. Check it out... Iran's main power source is NATURAL GAS. It powers their autos, heats their homes.... it practically replaces everything we currently power with Iranian crude oil. At the peak of the oil crisis, we (US) paid $148/barrel of oil, then in turn we sent them (Iran) 1 metric ton (however it's measured) for $15. We have IDIOTS running our country... Republican AND Democrat... mostly Democrat.

Granted, drilling for energy is not going to fix this problem, it will certainly help. Drilling will boost supply on the market to keep fuel prices low, but it will CREATE JOBS!! The thing that will help the most is the next time we have an election try voting for the farmer, or the plumber, vote for the regular joe, try looking over the (I), (D), or the (R) next to the candidate's name, try voting AGAINST the incumbent!!!!

There is alot of trash in Washington... ALOT! Odds are that we'll get rid of more garbage by cleaning house than not! PERIOD!

Doster's L & L
12-20-2008, 12:07 AM
Me too. Using OPM's (other peoples's money) = "cost shifting".....This is unconstitutional.

Folks that bust their ass 5 or 6 days a week are paying for "others' "CHOSEN EXPENSES". ie: Americans that choose NOT TO WORK for a living are being SUPPORTED by hard-working American paychecks, cuz they are picking up the tab for KNUCKLEDRAGGERS...........


It can't be any sicker than that. You would think our politicians would be able to add 2 + 2 and come up with four.:confused:


Did you know that the US is the only country whose citizens that are in poverty are also overweight? I guess that would be fine if they were working for a living, but if that were the case, they wouldn't be overweight.

greendoctor
12-21-2008, 04:03 PM
Did you know that the US is the only country whose citizens that are in poverty are also overweight? I guess that would be fine if they were working for a living, but if that were the case, they wouldn't be overweigh

That's because truly nutritious food is expensive food. Processed crap that is devoid of vitamins and full of fats and sugars costs less than real food. My personal dietary rule is: if it comes in a can, box or bag, I am probably not going to eat it. What's on the table is fresh meats, fresh vegetables and not much starches or sugars. I spend around $400 a month on food and I am not exactly a big guy. I am probably the smallest guy on LawnSite Yes I could go cheap, but my body, my health, my life. I heard about that couple that lived on $1 a day. Have no intention of recreating their experiment. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040105071229.htm I take for granted that there is a full service supermarket within 5 miles of my home and I have transportation. It is my understanding that not everyone is so fortunate. The poor often do not live near stores that have fresh produce and a butcher's counter. Here in Hawaii, I see people paying for sugary crap and other empty foods with food stamps. They also have about 4 or 5 young children in tow, but that is another story. I am realistic in that a meat and vegetable diet is probably not in their budget. What is sad is that the kids grow up liking processed crap and continue to eat that stuff even if they break out of the cycle of poverty.

Doster's L & L
12-22-2008, 09:37 PM
It is a good point you bring up, green doc concerning the nutrition or lack thereof concerning different food types. I was simply following up on what american lawn was referring to... which is how screwed up our politicians are in DC. My point being that the US has a certain class of people who are like baby birds. They sit in the nest with their mouths open wide waiting for momma to put pre-chewed food into their mouths. This is fine for the baby bird. After all, they are helpless. On the other hand, the bottom dwelling class sit at home, doesn't bother going to get a job, they could care less if they get up before noon or not. They prefer their time spent stoned or drunk. And they can't WAIT for the first of the month to roll around to receive their guaranteed gov't issued check. This is the class of person I'm talking about, not those who work for a living for low wages. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:3)

greendoctor
12-24-2008, 02:11 AM
It is a good point you bring up, green doc concerning the nutrition or lack thereof concerning different food types. I was simply following up on what american lawn was referring to... which is how screwed up our politicians are in DC. My point being that the US has a certain class of people who are like baby birds. They sit in the nest with their mouths open wide waiting for momma to put pre-chewed food into their mouths. This is fine for the baby bird. After all, they are helpless. On the other hand, the bottom dwelling class sit at home, doesn't bother going to get a job, they could care less if they get up before noon or not. They prefer their time spent stoned or drunk. And they can't WAIT for the first of the month to roll around to receive their guaranteed gov't issued check. This is the class of person I'm talking about, not those who work for a living for low wages. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:3)

The way this situation could be fixed fast is some real welfare reform combined with the concept of a living wage. You have no idea how much it burns me up that people can live more comfortably sitting on their keister collecting benefits, while the person who works busts his/her A**, but cannot earn too much because the benefits will get cut off and what they make working will not be enough to make a living. I mention the kids in tow only because the more children a household has, the greater the benefits that can be collected. I see the need for some disincentives for children one cannot afford to raise without government assistance. That my friends is the reality of the welfare system. I know people in that boat. Not everyone is cut out to be a business owner and make over $60,000 per year. For those who think the idea of a living wage is "socialist" at least there is incentive for work and productivity. Part of the reason why the American economy is imploding and taking the rest of the world with it is the wages of many people is not a living wage. If people are not paid enough: 1. They buy too much on credit. 2. When credit runs out, they stop spending. 3. Some people have some sense, they live within their means, but by extension, that means they are almost nonparticipants in the economy. They do not make many significant purchases. I can say that the third scenario applies to me. I do not buy anything that I cannot afford. Do not buy what I do not absolutely need. Note this as well. I do not think a living wage is 1 million + per year.

Envy Lawn Service
11-26-2009, 02:10 AM
Quit spending what we don't have,and shut the media up

... And become self-contained/self sufficent as a country again.



Today we are a nation of CONSUMERS, and so is our government.


Most of our production no longer exists.
We have become service workers to earn the money we consume with.
We make it here serving someone, and spend our money off-shore.

Read that last sentence again.... the root cause of our problems is not all that hard to understand or lengthy to explain. It's not hard for a country to go broke at the rate our wealth is leaving circulation here.


If everyone in the green industry in your hometown spent all their money for equippment and supplies out of town, your local providers would go broke right? And those people who went broke wouldn't have your money to spend for anything else in your local area right?..... NOT A LOT DIFFERENT.

Thanks a lot for the post!


Good to look back on this post in retrospect of history...

I still stand by my original opinion.
I'm sure more folks have accepted and adopted the reality of it by now too.

And no one seems to want to debate that there is not a slump in the economy anymore.
That's funny, but then again it's not....