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PerfectEarth
07-17-2008, 09:19 PM
OK guys- this machine is not for me but for us at my full time gig. We are definately going to buy one. We have had the Cat since March and put a lot of hours on the new machine. We have paid rent...blah blah blah and thought we wanted it. Well, got the Deere a few days ago and have not used it a whole lot... We need to decide which machine we want- we like them both and can't decide between the pros and cons. I'd love some input from you guys- and please, don't suggest another brand. It's these two.

Cat- Nicer cab, SMOOTH, we like the tracks better, overall appearance is better IOO, it's a high flow XPS two speed, engine service in the rear is nice, heard bad things about the undercarriage

Deere- Powerful!!! A bit rough riding, seems to be a more simple design, tracks are more aggressive which might be bad, like the AC unit up top, not as smooth- almost runs like it's "grinding"... guys we know like the Deere unit, the track rollers are Strong!!

Any advice would be awesome!! They are picking up the Deere tomorrow and we need to make the call.

MRBsx2
07-17-2008, 09:56 PM
im a deere guy i like the deere skids, people can say what they want about other brands...the 332 has some serious power behind it... i like how they operate too. The cats are nice also..its really a matter of opinion which one do you like better and go with it..Good luck! I hope to buy a new one next year as long as the damn economy picks back up

P.Services
07-17-2008, 10:01 PM
i have a 332 and it is a very powerfull machine. it pushes and digs like you wouldnt belive!! but after a long day im sore, its a VERY rough ride.

bobcat_ron
07-17-2008, 10:06 PM
The Cat will be better on fuel, and don't be put off by bad history on the Cat/ASV U/C's, people that can't handle them buy from the rest of the bunch as they are a bunch of pussies who don't know how to maximize their use of a suspended U/C.

One test I did on a Cat vs Deere was try to put my 3/4 gallon water bottle beside me in the cab, Deere failed, Cat won out, and I still have it today, always besides me in my roomy cab.

Albemarle Lawn
07-17-2008, 11:33 PM
I bought a 247 with the "bad" ASV undercarriage, bought it used in 2003 with 300 hours.

Its now on its 6th year of being run hard and put away wet. Only trouble has been a stuck throttle cable, but at least its stuck wide open which just happens to be my speed.

Whatever you get, just watch who runs it. I loaned mine to a friend who used it in crusher run/ #57 stones and put more wear on the rubber undercarriage in 6 hours than I did in 6 years.

minimax
07-18-2008, 12:08 AM
I would ask for the prices of the U/C parts like tracks,rollers,idlers,sprockets or cage pieces and ask how many of each like rollers:dizzy:on the cat vs. deere and that will answer the Q,the deere will be cheaper.

minimax

bobcat_ron
07-18-2008, 02:13 PM
I would ask for the prices of the U/C parts like tracks,rollers,idlers,sprockets or cage pieces and ask how many of each like rollers:dizzy:on the cat vs. deere and that will answer the Q,the deere will be cheaper.

minimax

You should see the post on the Skid Steer Forum I saw some time ago, one poor dude dished out over $1000 on a pair of rollers and new idler bearings, ASV's bearings are availible in any auto parts store. The front idlers are the only ones that get the damage, and they can be "re-donutted", rather than buying a whole new idler wheel, that is according to an email I got last night from an un-named source.

Mr. Rain
07-19-2008, 12:18 PM
Easy decision. Go with the Deere. I'd guess it's a minimum of $10 to $15K less expensive. More lift, pushing power, bucket power, way more durable track system, easier/faster track adjustment, way easier to work on and service, better dealer network, the list goes on and on. You'll pay a premium for the "Cat" stickers up front over comparable machines. They'll cost you more to run every day you own them because of the high maintenance undercarriage and short track life. Then when you've finally had enough, you'll take a beating at trade in time because nobody will buy a Cat track machine with more than 2000 hours on it unless it's practically free because everybody out there knows what they're in for if they do.

ksss
07-19-2008, 01:29 PM
Easy decision. Go with the Deere. I'd guess it's a minimum of $10 to $15K less expensive. More lift, pushing power, bucket power, way more durable track system, easier/faster track adjustment, way easier to work on and service, better dealer network, the list goes on and on. You'll pay a premium for the "Cat" stickers up front over comparable machines. They'll cost you more to run every day you own them because of the high maintenance undercarriage and short track life. Then when you've finally had enough, you'll take a beating at trade in time because nobody will buy a Cat track machine with more than 2000 hours on it unless it's practically free because everybody out there knows what they're in for if they do.


Interesting poiint at the end. If you did chose to go CAT and you could live with the B series cab and pilots not E/H you could buy a used 287B and save yourself a grundle of money, even if you completely went through the undercarriage of the 287B you would be tens of thousands ahead of the new C model, but you would have an older machine. The resale is not good but if it is what you want you can take adavantage of that, run the guts out of it and have less the half the depreciation costs of a C model.


Run a CASE 450 Series 3 and tell us how it compares. Ride will be like the Deere, cab should on par with CAT and more torque than either machine, almost 100 foot pounds more than CAT. The CASE pilots are nice, but to be fair I have not run the Deere E/H. I have run the CAT E/H and they did not hit a homer with that release.

PerfectEarth
07-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Thank you all for the responses, particularly Mr. Rain- those are our exact thoughts. The machine is significantly more affordable and we like the track system much better....and minimax, concerning parts costs

BrandonV
07-22-2008, 02:31 PM
we have had a 287b cat for 3 years now, and it has been the best loader we've ever bought. the only problem we've had has been a loose radiator hose. we got 1200 hrs out of our first set of track, probably less out of the current set because of a lot of rock work. (sharp boulders, not good.) as far as the cat being more $ I don't know, but my history w/ deere is you pay for their sticker just as much as you do for cats. the asv tracks are great if you're in hilly/wet/turf conditions and it has incredible pushing power. a lot of people talk poorly about the cat/asv track system, but I think the majority of us that own them are very happy with them

bobcat_ron
07-22-2008, 07:31 PM
I love my Cat, it sticks like glue to hill sides. Those buggers with the rigid frames don't know what they are missing in the wonderful world of suspended undercarriages.

PerfectEarth
07-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Well, the AC went out in the CAT last week and is still not on- it's brutal in that thing without it!

We got an upgrade package price on the Deere unit for the exterior- stronger ROPS and protection around the AC unit, hydraulic hoses and hookups, rear door...we'll be using it a lot for brush clearing. Oh, and a dual door- it opens to the side and flips up.

Looks like we might go Deere. Thanks for all the advice, it's helped! Any more is welcome!

crab
07-22-2008, 08:06 PM
go deere screw cat!

Scag48
07-22-2008, 08:27 PM
I like suspended machines a lot better working slopes, much more traction. With these little machines, you need as much as you can get with a rear heavy machine designed for lifting. I graded a 2:1 slope with 257BII at the training grounds, had a blast doing it too. Never felt like I was going to fall over backwards. The suspension allows you to arc the toe of the slope, giving you more traction through the transition and a nice smooth push up the slope.

bobcat_ron
07-22-2008, 08:47 PM
I like suspended machines a lot better working slopes, much more traction. With these little machines, you need as much as you can get with a rear heavy machine designed for lifting. I graded a 2:1 slope with 257BII at the training grounds, had a blast doing it too. Never felt like I was going to fall over backwards. The suspension allows you to arc the toe of the slope, giving you more traction through the transition and a nice smooth push up the slope.

That's exactly how I would explain it, even when digging on flat ground, putting as much down pressure on the cutting edge, the tracks never lose traction, they are always planted.

minimax
07-22-2008, 10:55 PM
Oh tell me more on the upgrade stuff? is it OEM or aftermarket.

minimax

JDSKIDSTEER
07-23-2008, 07:24 AM
Oh tell me more on the upgrade stuff? is it OEM or aftermarket.

minimax�� Front Window Shield / Entrance Door - This
is a “side opening” door and replaces the standard
“top opening” door.
�� Operator Compartment Side Window
Shields & Rear Window Replacement
�� Level II FOPS Plate – The Level II Falling Operator
Protection Structure (FOPS) plate simply
bolts in place on top of the cab to provide increased
falling object protection.
�� Lift Cylinder Hose Guards – The lift cylinder
hose guards protect the hose elbows at the
sides of the chassis and the hoses on the cylinders.
�� Rear Deflectors with Bumper – The rear deflectors
serve as tire/track cleaners to minimize
debris being picked up and carried up the sides
of the machine.
�� HD Louvered Grille -- This grille is a louvered
design made of 3/16” steel. It provides increased
protection for the cooling cores and
has increased bending/dent resistance.
�� Engine Side Shields Perforated Panels –
The perforated engine side shields provide 55%
more open area to enhance airflow.
�� Bottom Openings Cover Plates – This kit includes
covers for openings on the bottom of the
machine to prevent mechanical damage from
stumps, rocks and debris.
�� Other available guards include:
o A/C Condenser Guard
o Exhaust Hood Seal
o Aux-Hydraulics Coupler Guard

minimax
07-23-2008, 09:51 AM
Is that a deere kit and where do you look it up

minimax

JDSKIDSTEER
07-23-2008, 11:50 AM
Is that a deere kit and where do you look it up

minimaxI have seen some of these on a machine at the factory last spring, but no pictures. GR manufacturing builds them for Deere. You have to purchase from your dealer.

http://www.grmfg.com/index.htm

They are not listed on their web site. You might call GR and they could send you pictures.

Bleed Green
07-23-2008, 12:23 PM
are those updates for the new skid steer line or dozers and stuff like that?

JDSKIDSTEER
07-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Optional ad on's.