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Mike Leary
07-18-2008, 03:33 PM
Got a Irritrol Total Control that's blowing the 2 amp fuses after a couple of
days of operation. Before I get the electricians over to pull the 115 connection,
I'm wondering if I've a bad transformer or a GFI going south. :dizzy:

frumdig
07-18-2008, 03:58 PM
i had a controller doing this to me once, and i noticed a couple outlets that had been added to the exterior of this guys house, well, a planter was added at some point and alot of these outlets were half burried and in prime places to hold water.... the outlets were added off the same circuit the controller was using in the garage... he had an electrician come out and fix everything, no problems since... so it could be worth looking at the locations of other outlets... and whats using them...

-Evan

WalkGood
07-18-2008, 04:06 PM
Was the problem from the 120volt supply side being too high on voltage?

Mike Leary
07-18-2008, 04:09 PM
Was the problem from the 120volt supply side being too high on voltage?

It could be, I measured 129 volts just now.

Tom Tom
07-18-2008, 04:35 PM
Got a Irritrol Total Control that's blowing the 2 amp fuses after a couple of
days of operation. Before I get the electricians over to pull the 115 connection,
I'm wondering if I've a bad transformer or a GFI going south. :dizzy:

Get a rainmaster :laugh:

bcg
07-18-2008, 04:37 PM
129 should be in the range. I see them as high as 135 from time to time with no problems. I assume the fuse is in the controller, not the wall wart, right? If so, the transformer is more likely the problem or a short somewhere in the controller itself that's causing it to draw too much current. Does it just happen intermittently or is it when the program runs or a specific valve opens?

Tom Tom
07-18-2008, 04:40 PM
129 should be in the range. I see them as high as 135 from time to time with no problems. I assume the fuse is in the controller, not the wall wart, right? If so, the transformer is more likely the problem or a short somewhere in the controller itself that's causing it to draw too much current. Does it just happen intermittently or is it when the program runs or a specific valve opens?


CAUTION: Mike will label you a piker since you are unable to read his mind

Mike Leary
07-18-2008, 05:03 PM
CAUTION: Mike will label you a piker since you are unable to read his mind

Piker.......The clock seems to run for a couple of days (I drive by every morning) & then blows the fuse. There is a sign connected to the clock power so I'm wondering if the surge is doing it.

WalkGood
07-18-2008, 05:16 PM
Piker.......The clock seems to run for a couple of days (I drive by every morning) & then blows the fuse. There is a sign connected to the clock power so I'm wondering if the surge is doing it.

The fuse is for the low voltage on the controller right? What voltage reading do you get there? Actually, I do not think it even matters..... amps is amps and THAT is what blows a fuse.

So, why is the controller pulling more than 2 amps? Did you test the amps being pulled?

Wet_Boots
07-18-2008, 05:29 PM
If the sign has a transformer, that could be the trouble.

Tom Tom
07-18-2008, 05:35 PM
Piker.......The clock seems to run for a couple of days (I drive by every morning) & then blows the fuse. There is a sign connected to the clock power so I'm wondering if the surge is doing it.

so, run the controller off another circuit for a few days

Or, park your mobile command center/RV/Orbit distribution rig there and run the controller off the generator

Mike Leary
07-18-2008, 06:01 PM
Or, park your mobile command center/RV/Orbit distribution rig there and run the controller off the generator

I'm wondering if I've got a bad solenoid that is heating up & blowing the fuse,
though I thought the fuse only protected incoming, tho no "short" on clock.

Wet_Boots
07-18-2008, 06:04 PM
Do solenoid current readings?

bcg
07-18-2008, 06:09 PM
A short on the clock would cause the clock to draw more amps than normal and those have to come through the fuse. I think there's either a bad component somewhere in the system or a short that's only happening when the system heats up. It's tough trying to figure this stuff out when you can't be there to see it happen. Do you have another clock you could swap out, even if it's a different brand, just to see if the problem persists? That would at least narrow it down to the clock or the valves. It's possible that the transformer is surging for some reason but it wouldn't be a voltage spike on the 110 side that would cause that, within reason of course and one that would would also probably cause other damage and be obvious. It's more likely that something in the clock or system is "asking" for more amperage for some reason.

EagleLandscape
07-18-2008, 06:28 PM
how many mA's are the solenoids pulling.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-18-2008, 06:44 PM
how many mA's are the solenoids pulling.

what do you mean by Ma's?

EagleLandscape
07-18-2008, 06:50 PM
milliamps.

WalkGood
07-18-2008, 06:52 PM
Isn't that mA?

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-18-2008, 06:58 PM
milliamps.

thats just a regular amp reading right.

Wet_Boots
07-18-2008, 07:07 PM
thats just a regular amp reading right.AC current, yes.

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-18-2008, 07:21 PM
AC current, yes.

thanks bootz...


hey I found a old flow pro solenoid with a reading of 61 today...

these old schoolers I work with think my meter is just a godsend...

On another note they are all scared to use it....Idiots.

Mike Leary
07-18-2008, 07:32 PM
1000 millamps =1 amp. Example...270ma = .27amps
I don't deal in ma, but since I started to use WM clocks, I've
had to deal with it. Normal solenoid in ma is .225 to 260.

Wet_Boots
07-18-2008, 07:40 PM
AC current is the best quantity to measure, if a solenoid is suspect.

Kiril
07-19-2008, 12:17 AM
Piker.......I drive by every morning & then blows the fuse.

Well, then stop driving by! :laugh:

Mike Leary
07-19-2008, 10:04 AM
Found a "short" notice on the clock this morning, tho it looks like the zone ran until the
solenoid heated up. Off to change-out still ANOTHER WM solenoid! :hammerhead:

Wet_Boots
07-19-2008, 10:07 AM
A really smart clock would say "These solenoids suck"

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-19-2008, 10:14 AM
Found a "short" notice on the clock this morning, tho it looks like the zone ran until the
solenoid heated up. Off to change-out still ANOTHER WM solenoid! :hammerhead:

Last night we had a severe thunder/lighting storm....

not sure about you all but when we get those about 30 calls come in during the next week for bad solenoids..

wm really...thanks for keeping me busy.

Tom Tom
07-19-2008, 10:40 AM
Found a "short" notice on the clock this morning, tho it looks like the zone ran until the
solenoid heated up. Off to change-out still ANOTHER WM solenoid! :hammerhead:

Are you changing them out with the S20P?

Waterit
07-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Found a "short" notice on the clock this morning, tho it looks like the zone ran until the
solenoid heated up. Off to change-out still ANOTHER WM solenoid! :hammerhead:

Change-out the valve, RB and Hunter have solenoids that actually work - and last.

Wet_Boots
07-19-2008, 11:08 AM
Change-out the valve, RB and Hunter have solenoids that actually work - and last.What, and lose the service revenue?

Mike Leary
07-19-2008, 02:37 PM
Are you changing them out with the S20P?

I have one left that I'm saving until the 18-wheeler arrives with a new batch.
Using these until then. Never thought I'd carry so many.:cry::dizzy::hammerhead:

Wet_Boots
07-19-2008, 02:44 PM
M24ESAK? ~ more like SAcK of $#!+

Mike Leary
07-19-2008, 03:00 PM
M24ESAK? ~ more like SAcK of $#!+

Yup....I hate putting these in 'cause I know they're bound for out of town.

Wet_Boots
07-19-2008, 03:07 PM
I'll take a photo of the last pre-1990 M24E and charge a dollar a peek.

Mike Leary
07-19-2008, 03:17 PM
The whole outsourcing mess started in 2002, that's when WM became global & junk.