now her dog is sick??

[americanlawn]

New customer this year...lawn was very thin, chalk full of weeds, and poorly maintained. The dog beat up the back yard really bad. First app was in late May (pre + dry fert app PLUS pulling out the hose for broadleaf weed control) all for $36.00 (a double app). We recently treated her lawn again 4 days ago. She is is "call ahead" so she knows we're coming out, and she can keep her dog inside. Again it was a "double app" (dry fert plus spraying the entire lawn that had mucho creeping Charlie, etc.)

"I hope readers realize that we were'nt makin' any money on this property cuz were having to make 2 treatments each time for 36 bucks".

Today..........she called our office this morning 6 different times (sometimes five minutes apart:confused:). She said we sprayed a "tennis ball" that her dog plays with, and now her dog is sick. I spoke with my applicator, and she said she never sprayed any play toys. Yet the customer swears we made he dog sick.

We used Chaser herbide (1.1 ounces per 1000 sq ft) and a 31-0-12 slow-release fert. Instructions were included with her invoice saying to keep off 'til dry.

Her invoice showed (in great detail) each product we used, including the 0.86% Chaser herbicide. Now she wants information as to what & how much we applied. :laugh: What's up with this? How much more honest & detailed can we get?

Is her dog sick, or is she?? What could we have done differently? (they come out of the woodwork this time of year). rscvp, thanks:usflag:

[kbrashears]

Deny til you die, avoid, and drop.

[americanlawn]

Ain't denying anything, but we dropped her like a Led Zepplin today. (my favorite band):usflag::canadaflag:

[Whitey4]

This one sounds like she was just looking for a lawsuit. My dog is sick.... let's find someone to blame it on... or she could just be a wacko.... I put it at 50-50.

[RigglePLC]

Explain to her that weed killers are tested for safety at a hundred times regular strength. At one ounce per thousand the dog would have to eat about a thousand sq ft of grass to reach the danger point. The EPA tests for dog safety, before registering the product for sale. On most labels the label does not require that pets stay off the lawn. Your product is no more toxic than Weed B Gone.

Ask for a letter from a verteranairn stating that there is no other possible cause. You will also need a blood test showing how many parts per million of any toxin is in the blood. This will require use of high pressure liquid chromotography, or maybe a gas chromatograph. She should also have the tennis ball tested and you need a report showing the parts per million on the ball. The dog may need to be tested to rule out the 10 most common dog diseases. Maybe your vet needs to check the dog's water bowl for bacteria. Stool sample? Urine sample? Vacination record?
If you followed the label directions--you acted properly.

[DA Quality Lawn & YS]

You assume she is telling the truth.......I might call baloney on this one.

[LawnTamer]

She is full of it. Any one of your applicators gets more exposure in a whole day of spraying than her stupid dog got from a ball. Tell her that and dump her, which you already did. It really pisses me off when people are more worried about their dog than me.

Led Zepplin is, of course, awesome. Fool in the Rain.... great song.

[jbturf]

american, apolagize for the off of main topic--why are you doing any apps that you
"were'nt makin' any money on this property cuz were having to make 2 treatments each time for 36 bucks" ???
please tell me you r not low balling our industry

anyway, i had a call (just couple weeks ago) customer complained dog was sick,
right after lawn treatment, wanted to know what chemical(s) were used and if
that would make the dog sick. I informed them that a pesticide was applied,
though not designed to harm and animal, could potentialy make the dog sick if there were exposure to large enough quantity. I suggested he consult his vet, and take
along the label and MSDS(supplied to customer) of the product applied.

i felt my bases were covered , and have heard nothing since.
i am considering a follow up call though-- good idea?

[kbrashears]

Sorry, 'deny til you die' is my old advice for those in a pickle with their girlfriend.

Dropping her wasn't a joke.

Fool In the Rain? Really? Plant and Page said that song was a 'mistake'. Now, if you had said In the Evening, you'd have something right there.

[ffemtmcd]

I agree with Riggle - I had a customer complain recently that her dog (and her) were allergic to the fert. we were using. Anyone heard that before?? Made her dogs legs lose fur and break out in red welts - of course dog wasn't home at the time.

[mngrassguy]

I agree with Riggle - I had a customer complain recently that her dog (and her) were allergic to the fert. we were using. Anyone heard that before?? Made her dogs legs lose fur and break out in red welts - of course dog wasn't home at the time.

I also agree with Riggle. I did know an applicator that found out he was allergic to fert. It got so bad his hands and arms would break out in hives when he walked into the shop. He had to quit. I had a customer cancel because her cat was allergic to fert. Every time we did an app it would start pucking. It had the same reaction with other household chems too.

[bug-guy]

you have to realize she is entitled to all labels and msds of all products applied. if she went to the vet he would ask her for these. we would ask for the vets name and offer to get it to them directly. all the time letting the customer know that we moved all toys and food bowls that they forgot even yjough we called the d-b-4.

[PHS]

Customers are entitled to look at labels and know what was sprayed on the yard but I don't give them a copy of label or MSDS unless they specifically ask for it because I've found it causes more problems than it solves. I'm not trying to hide anything it's just that they don't know how to read them. I agree I would give it to the vet directly if it came to that.

I learned my lesson with that when I sent a customer an MSDS for hort oil that we were going to spray some trees with for Aphids. She called back furious that we would spray something that was obviously highly toxic on her property!! She was a smart person but read it like the average person would i.e. "toxicity in birds - not known"...OMG they don't even know what impact this is going to have on wildlife. "Harmful or fatal if swallowed", if someone is freaked out about their dog being poisoned that's the last thing you want them to read. They don't understand you'd have to drink a gallon of the concentrate to get that point :).

[Runner]

Who is this "Led Zeppelin" you guys speak of?

[Frank Fescue]

i had a woman at a small condo complex complain about how "pesticides cause cancer" and she didnt want the front of her house sprayed. whatever, i wasnt going to argue the safety of particular products with her. she then called later again upset. i dropped off labels and msds sheets for her as a courtesy and she called the office enraged that i would use a product labeled as "HIGHLY TOXIC" without any information otherwise. i had no idea what product she mentioned and then she said it was in the fert+merit. she was either looking for a fight, testing me, or just a loon when i e-mailed her with "yes mrs. XXXX the product is labeled as highly toxic to aquatic invertabrates so keep any squid and lake insects off your lawn until this product can be watered in and dried"

[ICT Bill]

could be allergies, probably not the herbicide, probably the N. I am not saying that you did but IF a toy was sprayed with the urea that high the dog could be having nitrate poisoning

[thartz]

I put a notice in their most recent invoice specifying our fertilizer or herbicide date for the upcoming month and follow that with a phone call 24 hrs. before application . When application is performed we flag the lawn to let them know we were there with a door hanger listing the time of application . We touch no items in the lawn . Items present ; we skip the application and reschedule with a surcharge .

[ted putnam]

I agree with Riggle also...you tried to dazzle her with detail...didn't work! Now it's time to baffle her with BS! Bury her with the thought of expensive tests and piles of Red Tape. You'll never hear from her again!

[FERT-TEK]

you have to realize she is entitled to all labels and msds of all products applied. if she went to the vet he would ask her for these. we would ask for the vets name and offer to get it to them directly. all the time letting the customer know that we moved all toys and food bowls that they forgot even yjough we called the d-b-4.

Although picking up toys and other objects left in the lawn is the professional thing to do and should be done on every stop. You stated this customer requires you to call ahead so she can bring the animals in. Some responsibility has to be placed upon her for not clearing the lawn of these items.
FYI, I have a generic form letter I will post here that discusses "fertilizing with children and pets".

[FERT-TEK]

American, attached you will find a form letter I send each customer in the spring along with their contract for the season. Hope this helps in the future.

[tlg]

This must be the year for dog issues. We have had two so far this season. The first case involved granular fert with Dimension. The customer claimed his dogs feet became irritated from the fertilizer. The dog of course licked his " wounds " and according to the customer and the Vet ingested enough material to make him sick. Our customer said the dog was dry heaving and lethargic. In order to keep the peace we paid the $95 Vet bill. Our second case involved a liquid application of fertilizer and weed killer ( three-way ). The customer claimed his dog had developed a staff infection from our application. I did some checking on this and consulted a with a Veterinarian. He claimed that while it is possible that this application could be an irritant to develop a staff infection it by no means could be the only factor. The dog could have been irritated by the grass itself or any of a number of other environmental causes that could promote a staff type infection. Of course I don't believe the applications were the cause. I can't however, rule out the possibility of an allergic reaction in either case. The problem I have is that the Veterinarian did not offer an explanation of the cause until the customers in both cases offered the lawn applications as the reason for the illness. More often than not people are quick to put the blame on the lawn application because it was easy. And you can't rule out the emotional factor in all of these kind of situations. Time and time again when peoples pets are involved the ability to think clearly and rationally is obscured. The next time a customer questions your chemical applications ask them if they have ever used Imidicloprid for flea control on ole fido. The best thing to do in these situations is to be concerned, neither confirm nor deny the allegations, offer some sort of remedy ( don't treat the backyard, call 1st, etc... ) better yet ask the customer for a remedy. After all if they truly believe the application is the cause it's their responsibility to make sure their pets are protected. If there is no way to resolve the issue, bowing out is always a good option. Who needs the grief.:walking:

[RigglePLC]

What is an allergy? Usually a reaction by the blood immune system to a foreign invader usually bacteria or a foreign protein--like peanuts, ragweed pollen, or bee-sting venom. Potash is not a protein. Neither is urea. In fact urea is a natural product resulting from the breakdown of protein. It is contained in every cell of the body. It is found in high concentration in the urine of all humans and animals.

I could be wrong--but I know of no herbicides that are protein in nature. And I am sure that the EPA tests for the liklihood of allergic reactions before releasing any pesticide to the market. Ric? DrGreen? ICT? Anybody agree or disagree?

[americanlawn]

I just read through all your kind responses --- thank you. Reason we often do double app's on lawns is cuz they are always new customers with crappy lawns >> so we do what's right for the lawn (ignoring profit), cuz liquid fert can tip burn turf when it's hot out. By getting a lawn back in shape as quickly as possible, we get alot of referrals, it makes the customer happy, and we know we did a safe & thorough job.

I was very allergic to Mancozeb when I sprayed trees for ChemScape, but this lady's situation is just plain off the wall.....I figure there's more going on in her life than lawn care, so she could be letting out her frustration on service companies?

[MNmasterEXTERMINATOR]

last year we had a customer let a dog out before we wven left. the dog was white a nd the pendi turned it yellow. the dog was eating grass and started throwing up getting sick. we thought it was the chemical and so did the owners. they brought the dog to the vet and ran a few tests. it wasn't the chem at all but ulcers from the stupid thing eating really thick grass blades. We still have the account and is one of our A+ customers in money they spend a year. if these chems were as dangerous as people think they are applicators would be dying daily from them. the amouNT TO MAKE A DOG SICK WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. Sounds like the customer is one of them hippie freaks that make us contact them if we are treating a lawn a block away that we refuse to do any business with. No matter what kind of safety information you give them, they will google some liberal nutjobs own study that says the stuff is poisoning thier children and pets. Don't say anything more to the lady. If she sues then the chemical company will have to take the lawsuit if you applied it in accordance with the label.

[PHS]

I was very allergic to Mancozeb when I sprayed trees for ChemScape

I used to work with a guy who was allergic to that also.

The only material I've ever been allergic to is Mavrik. My nose would get all stuffed up when I used it.

[vegomatic40]

In most cases when the vet. gets involved it is no problem. Usually they are rational thinkers as they see all types of accidental poisonings from homeowners and can't rule out any potential cause. When presented with the facts (MSDS) etc. they are well educated and have the ability to interpet LD50 numbers, toxicity etc. before they make a knee-jerk reaction (unlike the customers). Occasionally you will run across one that is either inexperienced or downright goofy. Those are the ones that want to perform a "wallet biopsy", then it is time to get a good attorney for representation.

[greendoctor]

I used to work with a guy who was allergic to that also.

The only material I've ever been allergic to is Mavrik. My nose would get all stuffed up when I used it.

I must not get chlorthalonil(Daconil) on my skin. Same goes for Mavrik. Well both of those products have warnings on the label about allergic reactions and sensitivities. I believe mancozeb has the same warnings. I have also heard of other people being sensitive to phenoxy herbicdes. If a dog lives on the lawn, no 2,4-D, I care too much. Otherwise, no dogs on the lawn or in the area of sprayed tree and shrubs until the spray has dried. I am very careful about screening my prospective clients. By the conclusion of our initial meeting, it is made very clear to them that I do not do politically correct lawn care. When indicated, I do spray. Also, it is understood that regular applications of chemical fertilizers are used. However one selling point that has gone over very well with my dog owing clients is no granules of any kind are used. It is all liquids. It is not required in the state of Hawaii, but I always leave written notification that the lawn and landscape has been treated if I do not speak with the homeowner in person.

[lilmarvin4064]

I have a friend who is allergic to sulfur, so the doctor tells hims. Whenever he handles SCU without gloves, his hands get red, itchy, and slightly swollen.

[Hissing Cobra]

I personally don't believe that your applications made their dog sick. However, I'm not a chemist, vet or anything else that could make that decision. Requesting tests of the pet's blood and looking for anything else that could absolve yourself would be a smart move.

Allergic reactions do occur and while I'm not allergic to the pesticides, fungicides or fertilizer, I am allergic to the Neoprene gloves that I used to wear when I was an applicator. Every year, about a month into the season, my skin on my hands would become hard and crack open all over the place. It would then peel like a sunburn. Man, did that always hurt. I began to wear thin gardening gloves inside the Neoprene gloves and that helped a lot but didn't alleviate the problem 100%. I'm glad that I don't have to wear those anymore!

[americanlawn]

ChemScape pulled Mancozeb (Maneb) off their product list in the early 80's cuz other tree sprayers were allergic too. This zinc-based fungicide would cause redness & blistering of the skin.

Had another "dog" incident Friday. Another new sign-up (I try to do all the first applications personally). Again it was another "double app" cuz the lawn was thin & had many weeds throughout. I just finished spreading fert on the front yard when the lady pulls into her garage. I started walking toward the garage, but she shut the garage door. So I pulled the hose out to spray the front yard in hopes of giving her a few minutes to get inside, etc. Then I rang the doorbell to explain exactly what I was doing. She never answered after ringing the bell several times during a two minute period. So I went into the back yard to spray it........2 vicious dogs ran me off the lawn. One bit my foot twice, so I squirted the gun in it's direction in order to protect myself. After barely getting the gate shut, I reeled in my hose, wrote up the paperwork, and wrote a note that the lady would not answer the door so we would call ahead and come back another day to finish the back yard.

When I got back to the office that evening, I learned that the mister called. He said his wife saw me spraying both dogs in the face with pesticides. (a lie) He said "We'll call ya if we need ya". When I told my wife what really happened, she said the wife was probably covering her butt and did not tell the mister what really happened. This incident made me mad: 1) I got bit by their dog, 2) the lady saw me in the front lawn standing next to the driveway when she pulled in, 3) she did not answer the door, 4) she did not pull the 2 mean dogs in. This is the first time this exact situation has ever happened to me. It's a weird one for sure. The time was 11:50 -- 12:15. Total sq ft treated = 1850 sq ft. :confused::confused:

[PHS]

I have a friend who is allergic to sulfur, so the doctor tells hims

The guy I worked with that was allergic to Dithane, they thought it was the sulfur in the product that was giving him the reaction.

Oops, maybe it was zinc...somebody who actually dealt with it would know better than I.

[DeepGreenLawn]

stop doing double apps for free, it is a service costing you money, why not charge? I always rattle fences, whistle, yell, do everything I can before I walk into a fenced backyard. I don't trust dogs, I will join them after I get a good feel that they are nice, but other than that, they just don't get sprayed until it is set up by appointment.

[americanlawn]

I have a few "creeping Charlie lawns" coming up (spray dates), so I'll probably tank mix liquid fert with Chaser so I can avoid doing double app's (plus the liquid fert helps the herbicide penetrate the weed tissue).

I had no idea this customer had dogs, cuz a week before, there were no dogs in the back yard. I rang the doorbell (nobody answered) when I did the estimate. My guess is that the "lady" was home then too....just never answered the door. Weird. :confused:

stop doing double apps for free, it is a service costing you money, why not charge? I always rattle fences, whistle, yell, do everything I can before I walk into a fenced backyard. I don't trust dogs, I will join them after I get a good feel that they are nice, but other than that, they just don't get sprayed until it is set up by appointment.

[DeepGreenLawn]

you tend to find A LOT of weird people when you deal with customer relations. Wierd actually seems to be the norm.

[jbturf]

Boy, ive said it b4 and ill say it again- people suck

kinda makes u feel like throwin in the towel and takin a
vacation

[PHS]

Wierd actually seems to be the norm

Isn't that the truth. Fortunately I have an excellent group of customers right now but there are a few that I just want to ask, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? :wall

[PORTER 05]

thats wat you get for sparyaing that crap on youre lawn, to bad the dog had to get it though, think of all the poor animals that get sick everyday, noone to help them though.

[DeepGreenLawn]

there are a few that I just want to ask, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? :wall

EXACTLY! :laugh:

[americanlawn]

We don't spray crap on lawns ---- That's what dogs are for. :laugh::laugh:

[robertsturf]

thats wat you get for sparyaing that crap on youre lawn, to bad the dog had to get it though, think of all the poor animals that get sick everyday, noone to help them though.

Ever heard of spell-check??

[tlg]

thats wat you get for sparyaing that crap on youre lawn, to bad the dog had to get it though, think of all the poor animals that get sick everyday, noone to help them though.

If you could. Please supply us all with that list of all the poor animals that you personally have seen sick everyday. Sounds to me like you may not have a clue as to what the reality of chemical applications really is all about. I have personally done close to 100,000 lawn applications in my 30 years in this business and have yet to see one substantiated claim that a chemical application done according to the label has ever made all the dogs, cats, squirrels, rabbits, or birds sick. I'm not saying it has not happened somewhere, it just hasn't happened here. If things were like you say we would all have been out of business a long time ago. With all the great wisdom you have gained in all your 24 years on the planet and your 3 years in business mowing lawns you would think something more intelligent would be part of your posting. If the application is done right and the label is followed there is very low risk. On second thought we should consider the source.

[DeepGreenLawn]

I had my neighbor call me a little while back. Said her dog was really sick and asked if I had made a treatment that day... I hadn't been there in about 2 weeks. I told her this and she just kept talking and asking. I just kept telling her there was no way it was anything I did because it had been so long since I had been there. She was starting to get annoying.

Want to know something amazing? Dogs get sick... and a lot of times it has nothing to do with the ferts put down on the lawn. Hmmm... ever thought of that one?

[PHS]

I remember getting blamed for nuking two fish ponds when I was spraying trees. In both cases they were brand new ponds. On the first one I saw the garden hose filling the pond when I walked up and the first thing I thought was, this idiot isn't going to dechlorinate the water and blame me for killing the fish (I spent a year working for a Koi pond company). I was only doing a 8' bark spray for borers with a backpack. Sure enough the next day a call to the office, "I've had this pond for two weeks and your idiot applicator killed all my fish". I saw the replacement fish, and when I went back 3 months later there was yet another group of fish in the pond. He killed the fish we bought a few weeks later when he added water again and then figured out what was going on.

On the second one the customer flat lied to my boss about what happened. I know because I hadn't done any spraying on that quarterly visit, only fertilizing on another part of the property...but somehow she "saw me spraying the Oak tree and the chemicals going into the pond".

[PORTER 05]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

[DeepGreenLawn]

lol, that may be taking it a little to the extreme...

[coyoteman]

We had a customer a few years back call us sugessting our 3-way app. might have made her dog sick. She said there was a bone on the lawn when we sprayed and thought that might have been the exposure to the dog. Turns out after going to the vet that it was the pork bone that made the dog, as that breed of dog as problems digesting them.

[mngrassguy]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

Now thet rite theire iss funey:laugh::laugh:

[tlg]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

Just because everyone says it's so, does not make it true or factual. Don't believe everything you hear. People like to push their own agendas for their own personal causes. All of these chemical bans your quoting are not based on sound science, but on falsehoods and emotional pleas to save us all from these "bad chemicals". If the tru-green guy did not want to spray while you were there it most likely was because you were in the way and the label for whatever he was spraying would not allow you in the treatment area without the proper PPE. You really need to get more informed before you talk about a subject you obviously know nothing about.

[Whitey4]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

I have some customers that are this stupid... but not quite so illiterate.

[rcreech]

Now thet rite theire iss funey:laugh::laugh:

Itt sur iz!

Their sur iz sum crazie peple on hear! :laugh:

WOW!

[JWTurfguy]

Is this really where our industry is going???? :(

Porter, do some homework on specific pesticides that are commonly used in your area. Read a label. Get a copy of an MSDS.

By the way.....just can't help but wonder....any chance your fear of chemicals has anything to do with a past childhood experience with lead paint?

To everyone else whose customers complain about sick dogs: GET NEW CUSTOMERS. Good lord, take it from the dog's perspective: if you had to live with crazy humans like that, wouldn't it make you sick? Wackos like what you're describing are costing you time, money, stress and potentially lawsuits that get your reputations mired in local newspapers and word-of-mouth slander. They simply aren't worth it.

[grassguy_]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

yes tons of towns being blindly led to beleive everything and anything "chemical" is nothing but skull&crossbones,..come on! WAKE UP!! Do you ever stop to think where you'd be without "chemicals" in your life! From the day you were born to the first set of your booster shots, "chemicals" have been saving your life from diseases, infections, and god knows whatever else. Do you honestly think everyone in the lawncare industry is just spewing "chemicals" just to have something to do regardless of their own health and well being let alone mother nature? :hammerhead: I'm not saying that they can't be harmful with misuse or in the untrained hands, but any responsible applicator isn't purposely applying "chemicals" with disregard for a pets safety or their own. Yeah, gotta love it, these same towns and their residents banning lawn treatments etc. are the same poeple running to the Home Depots, Lowes Etc and buying the "chemicals" they're so afraid of and applying it to their lawns without any idea whatsoever what the numbers on the bag mean or for that matter what the word "rate" even means. Wonder where "benji" is when they're making the application at twice the label rate so they can make it even "greener" ;)

[grassguy_]

Itt sur iz!

Their sur iz sum crazie peple on hear! :laugh:

WOW!

LOL, sur SKARY TOO, :laugh:

[tlg]

yes tons of towns being blindly led to beleive everything and anything "chemical" is nothing but skull&crossbones,..come on! WAKE UP!! Do you ever stop to think where you'd be without "chemicals" in your life! From the day you were born to the first set of your booster shots, "chemicals" have been saving your life from diseases, infections, and god knows whatever else. Do you honestly think everyone in the lawncare industry is just spewing "chemicals" just to have something to do regardless of their own health and well being let alone mother nature? :hammerhead: I'm not saying that they can't be harmful with misuse or in the untrained hands, but any responsible applicator isn't purposely applying "chemicals" with disregard for a pets safety or their own. Yeah, gotta love it, these same towns and their residents banning lawn treatments etc. are the same poeple running to the Home Depots, Lowes Etc and buying the "chemicals" they're so afraid of and applying it to their lawns without any idea whatsoever what the numbers on the bag mean or for that matter what the word "rate" even means. Wonder where "benji" is when they're making the application at twice the label rate so they can make it even "greener" ;)

Grassguy your right on with your perspective on this. If there was ever to be a ban on chemical use it should only be directed at those that are untrained. Time after time we see homeowners applying an array of chemicals with no real knowledge of what they are doing or what they " think " they are treating for. These communities that are hell bent on baning chemical applications don't realize that the lawn application companies are the ones who should be doing applications because they are trained and in most states regulated. Fear is the greatest weapon these groups have. What we all do is provide a service with very low risk by trained professional applicators. Those that think differently are just not informed.

[ICT Bill]

these same towns and their residents banning lawn treatments etc. are the same poeple running to the Home Depots, Lowes Etc and buying the "chemicals" they're so afraid of and applying it to their lawns without any idea whatsoever what the numbers on the bag mean or for that matter what the word "rate" even means.

You hit that nail directly on the head, the State cannot be selective so they have to do things like Florida

No nitrogen, zero, zip from June 1 to the end of September, none to stop harry homeowner from contaminating the water sources. It is their monsoon season. Maryland has a phosphorous ban, huge amounts of nutrients ending up in the Chesapeake Bay

A year ago the EPA told the States they either need to regulate or the EPA would regulate for them, you ain't seen noth'n yet

[americanlawn]

I might mention that 'Uriah Heep' also rules. "Tears in my Eyes" features four guitars.....Now THAT'S rock 'n roll! :weightlifter::weightlifter:

We have two shitsue dogs, and they are actually TOO sprited (always very healthy) - even when we treat of our lawn??? :walking:

[rcreech]

yes tons of towns being blindly led to beleive everything and anything "chemical" is nothing but skull&crossbones,..come on! WAKE UP!! Do you ever stop to think where you'd be without "chemicals" in your life! From the day you were born to the first set of your booster shots, "chemicals" have been saving your life from diseases, infections, and god knows whatever else. Do you honestly think everyone in the lawncare industry is just spewing "chemicals" just to have something to do regardless of their own health and well being let alone mother nature? :hammerhead: I'm not saying that they can't be harmful with misuse or in the untrained hands, but any responsible applicator isn't purposely applying "chemicals" with disregard for a pets safety or their own. Yeah, gotta love it, these same towns and their residents banning lawn treatments etc. are the same poeple running to the Home Depots, Lowes Etc and buying the "chemicals" they're so afraid of and applying it to their lawns without any idea whatsoever what the numbers on the bag mean or for that matter what the word "rate" even means. Wonder where "benji" is when they're making the application at twice the label rate so they can make it even "greener" ;)

Very well said!

:clapping:

[DUSTYCEDAR]

kids love the yellow hose its like candy
i never see kids then all of a sudden 3 show up out of nowhere and want to help drag the hose what fun

[ICT Bill]

I said this in another post, where is the voice of this industry !!!

I see no guided, well spoken representative of the green industry. I see no one telling the story of entrepreneur's supporting the middle class doing the right thing

WHERE IS IT???

someone please point me towards a representative of the industry that doing something more than taking your dollars to run a show which they make a profit on

Think Ben Hur (NRA).... what was his name?

[dwc]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

Gosh, you mean you still have a few birds left to land in the application????? I figured they were all dead from all those horrible mean men spraying all over MA!

[rcreech]

Gosh, you mean you still have a few birds left to land in the application????? I figured they were all dead from all those horrible mean men spraying all over MA!

Nouw, thet is relly funni! :laugh:

[turfman07]

Is this really where our industry is going???? :(


To everyone else whose customers complain about sick dogs: GET NEW CUSTOMERS. Good lord, take it from the dog's perspective: if you had to live with crazy humans like that, wouldn't it make you sick? Wackos like what you're describing are costing you time, money, stress and potentially lawsuits that get your reputations mired in local newspapers and word-of-mouth slander. They simply aren't worth it.



well said. :waving:

[thartz]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.

I have Hispanic workers that understand the English language better than this . Sad .

[Frank Fescue]

well i just figure it cant be good casue tons of the towns in my area are banding it and saying nomore cheming , also when ever a tru-green truck comes toa prperty where we are the applicator guy is like ohh no man we wont spray this stuff when youre working well come back towmraow....so im figuring when they spray that crap and a bird lands in it when its wet then gos and sits on its babies in its nests, everyone dies.....you know its true.


i hate when i spray a lawn and watch all the birds drop dead out of the sky. DAMN YOU IMIDICOLPRID YOU WERE LABELED FOR GRUBS NOT CHICKADEES AND SPARROWS!!!!!!!!


but to be serious. i can tell when someones serious and when theres a desperate attempt to get heat from the board, you have made a desperate attempt to gain scorn from the board. congrats it worked to a small extent

[rcreech]

i hate when i spray a lawn and watch all the birds drop dead out of the sky. DAMN YOU IMIDICOLPRID YOU WERE LABELED FOR GRUBS NOT CHICKADEES AND SPARROWS!!!!!!!!


but to be serious. i can tell when someones serious and when theres a desperate attempt to get heat from the board, you have made a desperate attempt to gain scorn from the board. congrats it worked to a small extent

Maybe.....I don't know....I think he may just be a ******! :dizzy:

[Whitey4]

i hate when i spray a lawn and watch all the birds drop dead out of the sky. DAMN YOU IMIDICOLPRID YOU WERE LABELED FOR GRUBS NOT CHICKADEES AND SPARROWS!!!!!!!!


but to be serious. i can tell when someones serious and when theres a desperate attempt to get heat from the board, you have made a desperate attempt to gain scorn from the board. congrats it worked to a small extent

I knew it had to be a joke.... NOONE is THAT stoooopid!

Or.......:hammerhead: