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irrigation man
07-28-2008, 10:07 AM
anyone having any issues with leaks with non nsf pipe

Wet_Boots
07-28-2008, 10:19 AM
Any of your Non-NSF poly under continuous pressure? Utility pipe can vary in quality. Just ask the happy users of Endot's Endoflex utility pipe. Two brand names that have a great track record for their utility stuff are Charter and Oil Creek. Even with a great track record, you don't pressurize utility pipe 24/7 - not worth taking the chance.

BSME
07-28-2008, 07:12 PM
oh man... I ordered 100 rolls of poly star this spring... zero problems.

everyone who didnt do an early order but bought poly star out of the yard is having MAJOR problems... the supplier wont even sell the 100s of rolls they have in the yard anymore because of all the splits.

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 07:06 AM
Never even heard of it. My suppliers carry charter or oil creek

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-29-2008, 07:18 AM
we got the pipe with the crimped ends this year..

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 07:40 AM
we got the pipe with the crimped ends this year..

Thats charter, may even be made from American oil. They are out of Titisville PA

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 09:06 AM
Poly pipe is more of a natural gas derivative.

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 09:26 AM
I never knew that. I always assumed it was made from oil.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 09:40 AM
When it spiked in price a few years back, it seemed to be tracking nat gas curves. I mean, ethylene is a gas. I suppose you can have any hydrocarbon source for making polyethylene, but I suspect that it's cheaper to start with natural gas.

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 09:47 AM
What are you paying for a roll down that way? About 47 here.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 09:50 AM
45-50, I don't stockpile the stuff. At least it isn't 60+ like a few years back.

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 09:54 AM
I did 30 rolls for my early order. Now I just get about 6-8 rolls with each weekly delivery. The way the phones ringing this time of yr, the 6 out back will still be there mid Aug.

Tom Tom
07-29-2008, 09:57 AM
you guys talking 100' rolls or 300'?

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 10:00 AM
300, or 400 feet of 3/4 (preferred by tightwads who spend the savings on beer)

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 10:06 AM
300 ft.the only 3/4 anything in my trucks are 3/4 x 1 reducing couplings a 1 bag of clamps.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 10:10 AM
What do you do when you encounter 1/2" poly on old systems?

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 10:21 AM
Never seen the stuff , galvi yes, copper yes, 1/2 poly , nope.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 10:29 AM
It is rare. I could see using it today for shrub spray lines that are dug in by hand. Not that much better flow than funny pipe, though.

AI Inc
07-29-2008, 10:35 AM
Not that much better flow than funny pipe, though.

Why go to something odd for virtualy no gain?

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 10:41 AM
It does predate funny pipe. Costs less than half as much, if you're running any distance. And for crawling through a crowded bed with a roll of pipe, it might mean less work than 3/4

Rainman7
07-29-2008, 08:23 PM
I also did the early buy 100 rolls of which we ran out of a long time ago and stopped using. My guys said the 1" pipe seemed to "snap" sometimes instead of a smooth cut all the way through and the 3/4" rolls were not consistant ID's.

Anyway we did two jobs that we ran a poly live leg and they both sprouted tiny pinhole leaks all over. I fixed it by putting in master valves but I was not happy. That never happend with oil creek and we will not use Poly Star again.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 08:27 PM
Do yourself a favor and don't use any non-nsf utility pipe under constant pressure, even Oil Creek. Spend a few bucks and use NSF material.

Rainman7
07-29-2008, 08:39 PM
Just listened to a message from the same cust., they did not say what it was about. I bet I know:mad:

Rainman7
07-29-2008, 09:38 PM
False alarm. They were wondering why after 4" of rain the system is not coming on:confused:

Flow Control
07-29-2008, 10:59 PM
:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:ENDOT NON-NSF:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead: Man I feel for anyone that has problems with poly. I have been there, done that. I would not wish it on anyone. I actually had my biggest scare today on a possible defective pipe job, ended up being other issues. But it could have been my worst nightmare. So lets all make a list of Bad Poly experiences. ENDOT: check, Poly Star: Check

AI Inc
07-30-2008, 06:42 AM
False alarm. They were wondering why after 4" of rain the system is not coming on:confused:

I get about 5 of those every time it rains.Some from 10 year customers:hammerhead:

Waterit
07-30-2008, 09:58 AM
False alarm. They were wondering why after 4" of rain the system is not coming on:confused:

That's one of my favorite "warranty" calls.:hammerhead:

AI Inc
07-30-2008, 11:51 AM
That's one of my favorite "warranty" calls.:hammerhead:

If its a 4 yr old system or older go sell em a service call and RS guts. They are not so quick to call back next time it rains.

Kiril
07-30-2008, 12:24 PM
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nicholsonstech
02-02-2009, 04:39 PM
Endot and polystar have both admitted to our company that there was a resin problem. Endot has compensated us but still battle with them on additional claims. Polystar insurance is supposedly taking care of the claims but we haven't seen a dime out of the 30 plus jobs that we did with their pipe

Wet_Boots
02-02-2009, 04:51 PM
If you do use non-nsf poly, you stick with a very short list of companies you can trust. Oil Creek and Charter are two names I'd put on that list. Not Endot. (and oddly enough, Endot makes NSF tubing I've not had problems with)

And you still don't use any non-nsf for pressurized mainlines. Not worth it.

Mike Leary
02-02-2009, 05:00 PM
Only pikers use poly.

Wet_Boots
02-02-2009, 05:07 PM
Poly Pullers are Irrigation Rulers.

Mike Leary
02-02-2009, 05:11 PM
Poly Pullers are Irrigation Rulers.

For service work, I'd agree.

Wet_Boots
02-02-2009, 05:27 PM
Nothing like having to dig up twenty feet of split PVC that cracked in the cold, as the frozen soil shifted.

Mike Leary
02-02-2009, 05:45 PM
Nothing like having to dig up twenty feet of split PVC that cracked in the cold, as the frozen soil shifted.

Using sch 40, 711 glue & primer and proper backfill; what's the big deal?

Wet_Boots
02-02-2009, 06:07 PM
Like you see sch 40 and 'proper backfill' on cheapo systems.

Mike Leary
02-02-2009, 06:15 PM
Like you see sch 40 and 'proper backfill' on cheapo systems.

Oh, and cheap ass poly rather than 200 psi is not used back east?

Wet_Boots
02-02-2009, 06:57 PM
Even utility poly survives soil shifts.

Mad Estonian
02-02-2009, 11:57 PM
I actually have a customer who's a plastics engineer. Started and ran a big poly factory in Edmonton that Dow or some big outfit took over. Made high quality poly, CSA (our NSF). He says PVC is a dirty word in his house, hates the brittleness etc. I should get him on here to opine. I use PVC and poly (drip and micro). There have been some changes in the last year. Not sure what's going on, but I've definitely gotten some different stuff lately. Haven't had any problems, but my mainlines are all Sch. 40 anyways, and I always use Senninger to knock the pressure right down for drip or micro.

djt22
02-05-2009, 11:15 PM
Did you miss the boulder in the ditch with the cracked PVC??? Cresline makes the best PVC and poly. All others you get what you pay for trying to save a penny.

Wet_Boots
02-05-2009, 11:28 PM
I remember using Cresline Spartan poly, back in the day. Okay stuff.