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Mike Leary
07-28-2008, 07:19 PM
Beep beep, I was led to believe the new solenoids on all W*M valves were
delivered with S24Bs, wrong...they are round, but are the S20P "marine grade" versions. We'll see how long they last. :cry:

Wet_Boots
07-28-2008, 07:33 PM
We knew that. Google M24E and you'll see the replacements.

Mike Leary
07-28-2008, 07:45 PM
Here's the current model, no brass threads.

Wet_Boots
07-28-2008, 07:53 PM
I'll stick with Richdel

Without A Drought
07-28-2008, 10:39 PM
tell me again why you still use weathermatic valves?

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-28-2008, 10:53 PM
tell me again why you still use weathermatic valves?



he thinks ahead for the service $$ that comes in..


RB dv user here...no complaints....

wm=a joke....

Kiril
07-29-2008, 02:15 AM
I don't know ML, maybe if you got a real valve. I just got a 11000CR couple of weeks ago for parting out ..... looks like the S24B to me. ;)

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 03:01 AM
Hey, for only 1500 a zone, whaddaya want?

EagleLandscape
07-29-2008, 08:55 AM
I don't know ML, maybe if you got a real valve. I just got a 11000CR couple of weeks ago for parting out ..... looks like the S24B to me. ;)

mmmmmmhhhhhmmmmmmmm 11000 series!!!:weightlifter::weightlifter:

Mike Leary
07-29-2008, 01:45 PM
If I've got lotsa flow/pressure, I'll use the 11000, great valve, so is the brass 8000.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 02:10 PM
Silver Bullet = cheap

Mike Leary
07-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Silver Bullet = cheap

500 in service..solenoid only issue, what the hell do you need a 11000 for if
you've got 7 gpm @ 50 psi? Shock cone? :hammerhead:

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 05:30 PM
Solenoid is issue enough. If W*M hadn't screwed the pooch, it would only be vaguely harmless, being flimsy at high static pressure.

Mike Leary
07-29-2008, 05:53 PM
Solenoid is issue enough. If W*M hadn't screwed the pooch, it would only be vaguely harmless, being flimsy at high static pressure.


I would not use Silver Bullets in pressures above 70 psi. It's a reverse flow valve, I like them.

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 06:13 PM
Of course, I have to pass on W*M valves because the manual operating lever won't allow me to easily cram eight or so valves in a manifold.http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6049/eightvalvemanifold23fz.jpg

Mike Leary
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
Ho ho, I had that deal today where we'd put in a Netafim prv on a close nipple.....
could barely open the bleeder. :hammerhead:

CAPT Stream Rotar
07-29-2008, 06:23 PM
hey mike the new avatar rocks!!!!

and as far as that wm valves...plz...smarten up

Wet_Boots
07-29-2008, 06:30 PM
Curious thing about the W*M brass valves, is that the 3/4-inch one is not reverse-flow, if I remember correctly.

Mike Leary
07-29-2008, 06:43 PM
Curious thing about the W*M brass valves, is that the 3/4-inch one is not reverse-flow, if I remember correctly.

That would be before my time ,I've have never installed a 3/4" valve.

EagleLandscape
07-29-2008, 11:07 PM
todays pita issue. after a few pulsar wire fixes, replacing wire outside of controller wall, it also ended up being yalls favorite solenoid.

Kiril
07-30-2008, 01:07 AM
Don't you WM guys ever get tired of replacing solenoids?

irrig8r
07-30-2008, 01:35 AM
It's funny...if you guys like the WM valves so much, but not the solenoids...

then an easy solution is the Irrigation Direct valve....

The body is much like a WM, but the solenoid is like an Irritrol.

No joke.

http://www.irrigationdirect.com/products/images/15_DFC_Valve_Whole_LARGE.jpg

http://www.irrigationdirect.com/products/images/16_DFC_Valve_Solenoid_LARGE.jpg

http://www.irrigationdirect.com/products/images/14_DFC_Valve_Cross_Sec_LARGE.jpg

Kiril
07-30-2008, 01:36 AM
OMG....HOJ

irrig8r
07-30-2008, 01:40 AM
HOJ? define please

acronym finder gives me...

Heroines of Jericho
Hammer of Justice (gaming, World of Warcraft)
Hand of Justice (gaming)
Home-On-Jam/mer/ming
Harvard Orthopedic Journal

???

Kiril
07-30-2008, 02:14 AM
HOJ? define please

HUNK-O-JUNK....:laugh::laugh::dizzy::drinkup:

FIMCO-MEISTER
07-30-2008, 07:34 AM
Hey Gregg, Interesting on the WM look a like. Can you swap all the parts with a WM? Also for future reference do ID modules replace the Hunter gray modules?

Kiril
07-30-2008, 09:50 AM
Hey Gregg, Interesting on the WM look a like. Can you swap all the parts with a WM? Also for future reference do ID modules replace the Hunter gray modules?

Good question :drinkup:

DanaMac
07-30-2008, 09:54 AM
It's funny...if you guys like the WM valves so much, but not the solenoids.

The body is much like a WM, but the solenoid is like an Irritrol.


But I still have problems with those darn Irri solenoids over the winter. You cali guys don't know about it most likely. Water gets inside the solenoid, pushed down the "cylinder" and doesn't allow the "piston" to move up and down. (terms in apostrophes were used by customer yesterday. I love when they have their own words for different components).

Waterit
07-30-2008, 10:01 AM
tell me again why you still use weathermatic valves?

Stubbornness? You know how old folks get set in their ways:)

RB dv user here...no complaints....
wm=a joke....

DV user here also, PGA's on the big stuff. No problems.

DanaMac
07-30-2008, 10:05 AM
DV user here also, PGA's on the big stuff. No problems.

Primarily a DV user as well, but I find their diaphragms get damages easier than others from debris or sand inside, causing more DVs to seep than others. Lately DVs are leaking from the o-ring at the solenoid. 4 of 8 on the one new install we did. Hunter valves are not reliable with the solenoids. Irri 205s have the diaphragms come apart with those plastic pieces that sandwich the rubber. And on and on. So there is basically NO residential valve that is fool proof.

Tom Tom
07-30-2008, 10:08 AM
But I still have problems with those darn Irri solenoids over the winter. You cali guys don't know about it most likely. Water gets inside the solenoid, pushed down the "cylinder" and doesn't allow the "piston" to move up and down. (terms in apostrophes were used by customer yesterday. I love when they have their own words for different components).


Yup, I've replaced more irritrol solenoids than all others combined this year.

Mike Leary
07-30-2008, 10:10 AM
Yup, I've replaced more irritrol solenoids than all others combined this year.

Misery loves company. :cry:

Wet_Boots
07-30-2008, 10:19 AM
But I still have problems with those darn Irri solenoids over the winter. You cali guys don't know about it most likely. Water gets inside the solenoid, pushed down the "cylinder" and doesn't allow the "piston" to move up and down. (terms in apostrophes were used by customer yesterday. I love when they have their own words for different components).I got that freeze damage on some older antisyphon valves, but not on the valves in (deep) boxes. Newer solenoids have behaved.

DanaMac
07-30-2008, 10:22 AM
I got that freeze damage on some older antisyphon valves, but not on the valves in (deep) boxes. Newer solenoids have behaved.

I still get new solenoids on new valves in ground that do it. New solenoids from last year too. It's not all, hit or miss as to which ones.

Kiril
07-30-2008, 10:26 AM
I have Richdel solenoids with the casing split that are still in service.

Wet_Boots
07-30-2008, 10:28 AM
I saw it on Hardie-manufactured Richdel designs, and the Toro-made solenoids have endured. You would think it a simple thing to eliminate a space where water can collect and freeze.

irrig8r
07-30-2008, 10:57 AM
Hey Gregg, Interesting on the WM look a like. Can you swap all the parts with a WM? Also for future reference do ID modules replace the Hunter gray modules?

Questions best posed to Bill Hayes at ID... I know he reads this board from time to time... he especially enjoys Leary's comments :laugh:

Or call him at 888-449-1300.

Bill has many years irrigation industry experience and enjoys talking about his products.

They haven't been completely free of problems... some issues with their original diaphragm and solenoid suppliers have been resolved.

They provide very responsive customer service... about the best I've ever encountered.

I think they put out good products at a great value... BTW, check out the prices on their swing joints...

irrig8r
07-31-2008, 02:25 AM
I think I blew it by mistypingthat phone number...it was off the top of my head...so, the correct number is area code 925 (not toll free) 449-1300.

And my address book also says there's a toll free number at 877-433-2948... so, either that or email them...