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rcreech
08-02-2008, 10:46 PM
Well....this is my 5th year in lawncare and I never have never received the dreaded phone call from a customer about killing their flowers or anything in their garden......

Until a phone call I received a few days ago!

DANG IT, I screwed up!

Not sure how it happened, other then I just got too close or a wind drift.

This is my first time, and I was totally sick about it. Customer called and said I smoked some tomatoes. I went over there, and sure enough I did!

Does this happen much to you guys?

How do you handle these situations?

My good buddy on here (Grassguy) gave me a great idea. Said to buy here some tomatoes.

How do you guys handle?

Whitey4
08-02-2008, 11:11 PM
I smoked some petunias with a sedge hammer app last week. Was using a backpack spayer, thought I was close enough to the target to avoid drift.... WRONG!

The customer doesn't seem to know what happened. I'm just gonna replace them with another annual.... and not say a word. :cool: I can take at least some comfort in the fact that this very small flower bed needed to be renovated anyways....

txgrassguy
08-02-2008, 11:28 PM
I have not killed any landscape I didn't mean to but I sure did nuke a C4 yard one time just by mistake.
And just before the client held a huge wedding party for one of his sons.
I explained what happened, dyed the dead turf green and when I spoke to the wife later she said no one even noticed the damaged turf.
So, after the party - fully expecting to get fired - I approach the client, explain I will replace the front yard in it's entirety and asked him two questions.
Namely, did he want a different species of turfgrass and how about adjusting the stone border - since my insurance was paying for it nows the time to get the changes free.
Fast forward almost five years, still have the client and occasionally we chuckle over what happened. Client told me he was going to drop me like crap outta a canadian goose if I hadn't of manned up - and was impressed that not only I had yet I expanded upon his front yard free of charge.
Learned my lesson, primarily being don't mix chemicals with a hangover that would choke a goat.

Jason Rose
08-03-2008, 12:18 AM
I got some tomato plants this year too :o At a good friends house no less! He had them in buckets on a fence, doing the upside down deal. I was using the permagreen spraying redzone and stayed about 5 feet from them but evidently the drift or volitization got to them. Didn't totally kill them but they sure didn't do well at all, no tomatos for sure. My grandma has a few tomato plants and I just asked her today if she has extra, I'm going to take my friends some when I can. They want to make salsa!

I've curled up shrubs before, like euonymus, that's very sensitive to 2-4D products. Also had an incident where I subbed out my spraying one year and the guy sprayed 2 areas that the lady just had planted to wildflowers :dizzy:. I actually tucked my tail on that one and let it slide. The plants were obviously damaged and dead, but we had a very late frost that spring and the assumption was that the frost got them...

Round-up isn't always my friend either. No matter how carefully I'd try to apply it along edges it would always seem to end up about 4 or 5 inches further out that I wanted it! Killed a strip of turf along the whole length of a customers landscaping one time. Still don't know HOW it crept that far from where I was actually putting the spray though. Misty nozzle on the spray wand I guess.

FdLLawnMan
08-03-2008, 12:31 AM
I got a shrub rose this year on a new customer. After the customer called me, 5 weeks later, I went out and looked. The one plant was elevated in a bed along with other plants and was a foot back from the stone border. The only thing I could figure out is the Speedzone volatized and got on the plant. It was about 65 degrees when I did this application so I know it wasn't to hot for the ester in the Speedzone. The plant wasn't completely killed so I gave them 15 bucks off the charge.

Whitey4
08-03-2008, 12:33 AM
I got some tomato plants this year too :o At a good friends house no less! He had them in buckets on a fence, doing the upside down deal. I was using the permagreen spraying redzone and stayed about 5 feet from them but evidently the drift or volitization got to them. Didn't totally kill them but they sure didn't do well at all, no tomatos for sure. My grandma has a few tomato plants and I just asked her today if she has extra, I'm going to take my friends some when I can. They want to make salsa!

I've curled up shrubs before, like euonymus, that's very sensitive to 2-4D products. Also had an incident where I subbed out my spraying one year and the guy sprayed 2 areas that the lady just had planted to wildflowers :dizzy:. I actually tucked my tail on that one and let it slide. The plants were obviously damaged and dead, but we had a very late frost that spring and the assumption was that the frost got them...

Round-up isn't always my friend either. No matter how carefully I'd try to apply it along edges it would always seem to end up about 4 or 5 inches further out that I wanted it! Killed a strip of turf along the whole length of a customers landscaping one time. Still don't know HOW it crept that far from where I was actually putting the spray though. Misty nozzle on the spray wand I guess.

Man, You got that right on Roundup! I've learned the hard way how drift can really cause damage! Even in dead still air, Roundup will drift. I now use a heavier nozzle spray setting, but still.... it's REALLY easy to go off target with glyphosate. Now I use a 5 foot "no spray" rule.... and paint anything that is closer to non target plants now. I've had ot kill turf from 5 feet away in no wind conditions.

Marcos
08-03-2008, 01:13 AM
This being August...there's no way to repair the damage by replacing the tomato plants.
Of course, you'd never find any to plant this late. And even if you did, they'd probably not even grow large enough, in this 90+ degree heat, to amount to anything.

I would check with some of the farm markets around the area.
I've seen a number of them in the past few years sell tomato plants in trendy ready-to-tote wooden or plastic buckets of different types.
They're hot sellers..especially for patios & decks!
Especially cherry tomatoes...and romas.


We have had mishaps in the past, particularly with esters volatilizing under the driplines of the tender young growth of broadleaf landscape plantings and trees. In cases like this, I more often than not will simply offer to correct the damage by delicately and professionally pruning it away, after a sincere apology, of course.

ted putnam
08-03-2008, 01:17 AM
Measured and poured MSMA+ Surfactant into PG...Phone rings, I answer and talk to customer.10 minutes later, got off phone, begin to spray area for crabgrass. Covered 2k before I realize I didn't add water to PG tank. If you listened real close you could hear the turf sizzling like bacon in a skillet! I set up hose and sprinkler and immediately called customer. He let it run the rest of the afternoon and evening. Turf was fine...smoked the crabgrass and everything worked out...Close call!

greendoctor
08-03-2008, 03:08 AM
Label fell off of bottle. Thought I was applying Super Trimec to 10,000 sq ft of seashore paspalum. White one gallon bottle, tan liquid that emulsifies when it hits water. It was actually Ornamec. Couldn't smell the difference because I was wearing a respirator. I instantly knew what happened when I was packing up to leave and took off the respirator. Ran all of the sprinkler system through two cycles. Lawn was ok. If I didn't catch it when I did, the Ornamec would have fried the grass. Fluazafop is absorbed into grass within one hour. Lesson learned, now I clear tape labels to bottles and make sure they stay on no matter what. :hammerhead: This is one reason why I do not agree with the overdoing it with the PPE. I could not smell what I was spraying on the lawn or what was in the bottle. Not saying that I would be standing there huffing the stuff. But a broadleaf application should smell like 2,4-D and Banvel.

Weed Busters
08-03-2008, 08:52 AM
Tomatoes are super sensative to 24d and Dicamaba. If you were using a 3 way, it was probably the dicamba that got them. Dicamba will volitilize over 85 degrees. If you have ever sprayed any straight dicamba on your farm such as Banvel, the lable says DO NOT APPLY OVER 85 DEGREES. I have seen tomato fields around here get cooked by someone spraying dicamba on corn a quarter mile away.

rcreech
08-03-2008, 03:53 PM
This being August...there's no way to repair the damage by replacing the tomato plants.
Of course, you'd never find any to plant this late. And even if you did, they'd probably not even grow large enough, in this 90+ degree heat, to amount to anything.

I would check with some of the farm markets around the area.
I've seen a number of them in the past few years sell tomato plants in trendy ready-to-tote wooden or plastic buckets of different types.
They're hot sellers..especially for patios & decks!
Especially cherry tomatoes...and romas.


We have had mishaps in the past, particularly with esters volatilizing under the driplines of the tender young growth of broadleaf landscape plantings and trees. In cases like this, I more often than not will simply offer to correct the damage by delicately and professionally pruning it away, after a sincere apology, of course.

Marcos,

I didn't mean buy them new plants...I meant buy them tomatoes ready to eat. Sorry for the confusion.

Buying them tomatoes is a pretty good idea I thought! THANKS GRASSGUY!

That is one reason I love being on this forum! We can learn so much from each other! I didn't really know the correct way to handle this...since this is new to me. Hope I don't have to get good at handling this kind of crap!:laugh:

Thanks for all the input guys! Glad to see I am not the only one (as that is the way I felt standing there in her lawn).

rcreech
08-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Tomatoes are super sensative to 24d and Dicamaba. If you were using a 3 way, it was probably the dicamba that got them. Dicamba will volitilize over 85 degrees. If you have ever sprayed any straight dicamba on your farm such as Banvel, the lable says DO NOT APPLY OVER 85 DEGREES. I have seen tomato fields around here get cooked by someone spraying dicamba on corn a quarter mile away.

It has the same effect on soybeans! I have seen that too many times!

Thanks guys!

rcreech
08-03-2008, 04:09 PM
I got some tomato plants this year too :o At a good friends house no less! He had them in buckets on a fence, doing the upside down deal. I was using the permagreen spraying redzone and stayed about 5 feet from them but evidently the drift or volitization got to them. Didn't totally kill them but they sure didn't do well at all, no tomatos for sure. My grandma has a few tomato plants and I just asked her today if she has extra, I'm going to take my friends some when I can. They want to make salsa!

I've curled up shrubs before, like euonymus, that's very sensitive to 2-4D products. Also had an incident where I subbed out my spraying one year and the guy sprayed 2 areas that the lady just had planted to wildflowers :dizzy:. I actually tucked my tail on that one and let it slide. The plants were obviously damaged and dead, but we had a very late frost that spring and the assumption was that the frost got them...

Round-up isn't always my friend either. No matter how carefully I'd try to apply it along edges it would always seem to end up about 4 or 5 inches further out that I wanted it! Killed a strip of turf along the whole length of a customers landscaping one time. Still don't know HOW it crept that far from where I was actually putting the spray though. Misty nozzle on the spray wand I guess.


Two things have to be your friend when spraying gly....

1) Large droplet size
2) Low pressure

These two are the key!

Whitey4
08-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Two things have to be your friend when spraying gly....

1) Large droplet size
2) Low pressure

These two are the key!

Why didn't you say this in March? :laugh:

rcreech
08-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Why didn't you say this in March? :laugh:

One other thing you can do is add an anti drift agent!

I have not used it in years (since I have gone to AI tips), but there is a product called ARRAY and it is an AMS and Anti drift combination product.
Works great!

You may want to check it out or something like it!

heritage
08-03-2008, 08:00 PM
Two things have to be your friend when spraying gly....

1) Large droplet size
2) Low pressure

These two are the key!

No Doubt!!!

Careful with the Rup. Do the "Windy Day Dribble" :clapping:

We have all been there :laugh:

Pete

tremor
08-03-2008, 09:19 PM
I have not killed any landscape I didn't mean to but I sure did nuke a C4 yard one time just by mistake.
And just before the client held a huge wedding party for one of his sons.
I explained what happened, dyed the dead turf green and when I spoke to the wife later she said no one even noticed the damaged turf.
So, after the party ................... Client told me he was going to drop me like crap outta a canadian goose if I hadn't of manned up - and was impressed that not only I had yet I expanded upon his front yard free of charge.
Learned my lesson, primarily being don't mix chemicals with a hangover that would choke a goat.

That is an awesome story. You did a real solid for the customer & it paid off big. Good for you!

tremor
08-03-2008, 09:21 PM
Oh yeah. I was training a newb. We were spraying 24D ester on a warm day.

It was still early enough in the year I was able to replace the maters but they did cancel at the end of the season.

CHARLES CUE
08-03-2008, 10:12 PM
I did kill a rodademdum once slipped on a hill side and fell wasn't a very good one the owners said dont worry about it i offered to replace it.sill do the yard. got some water and washed it off but that took a while to get there out side hose was shut off. i think i would ask them what would make them happy and do as needed to make them happy if its bushel of tomatos than be it or some once a week to eat
good luck
Charles Cue

Grandview
08-04-2008, 06:27 AM
One other thing you can do is add an anti drift agent!

I have not used it in years (since I have gone to AI tips), but there is a product called ARRAY and it is an AMS and Anti drift combination product.
Works great!

You may want to check it out or something like it!

Is Array labeled for turf? I used a AMS product one year on some of my lawns to enhance the weed control. Everything was going fine until temps reached the mid-80s. The overlap areas burned on me. Nice 6 inch stripes in the lawn. It was just cosmetic and gone after a couple weeks. I checked the label and it was not for turf. Weed control was excellent though. Sent out a couple gift certificates.

rcreech
08-04-2008, 06:52 AM
Is Array labeled for turf? I used a AMS product one year on some of my lawns to enhance the weed control. Everything was going fine until temps reached the mid-80s. The overlap areas burned on me. Nice 6 inch stripes in the lawn. It was just cosmetic and gone after a couple weeks. I checked the label and it was not for turf. Weed control was excellent though. Sent out a couple gift certificates.

That is a very good question, and actually one I didn't think of.

I have only used this product on the ag side...but I am not sure if this type of product would have any restritions as it is not a pesticide.

I have never checked on surfactants or AMS to see where it can and can't be used.

Good question! I will have to look!

rcreech
08-04-2008, 06:54 AM
I just checked and it looks to be labeled for just about any application.

I was going to be surprised if not...but you never know!

http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld71I000.pdf

heritage
08-04-2008, 10:00 AM
Is Array labeled for turf? I used a AMS product one year on some of my lawns to enhance the weed control. Everything was going fine until temps reached the mid-80s. The overlap areas burned on me. Nice 6 inch stripes in the lawn. It was just cosmetic and gone after a couple weeks. I checked the label and it was not for turf. Weed control was excellent though. Sent out a couple gift certificates.

Nalco-Trol was, and was a great drift reducer :)

Used that a time or too.

Pete

Marcos
08-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Tomatoes are super sensative to 24d and Dicamaba. If you were using a 3 way, it was probably the dicamba that got them. Dicamba will volitilize over 85 degrees. If you have ever sprayed any straight dicamba on your farm such as Banvel, the lable says DO NOT APPLY OVER 85 DEGREES. I have seen tomato fields around here get cooked by someone spraying dicamba on corn a quarter mile away.

In my earlier days...when I was still working for other people and learning the ropes...I crispied many a flowering dogwood tree by using too much Banvel within the driplines of these trees; even well established, OLDER specimens. To this day I still have nightmares about the old folks screaming at me!

Granted...the idiots I worked for then were intentionally going off-label for turf by getting drums of Banvel instead of turf-labelled Dicamba.
But regardless, stay the heck away from dogwoods and eastern redbuds when using Dicamba ( ag label Banvel ).

grassman177
08-05-2008, 04:26 PM
i used my zspray max for the first time and got too close to shrub beds and toasted the growing tips on the weigelia but that is about it. never killed anything i wasnt trying to!! hope it always gos that way

greendoctor
08-06-2008, 02:24 AM
Two things have to be your friend when spraying gly....

1) Large droplet size
2) Low pressure

These two are the key!

Agreed, glyphosate goes through an AI11006 nozzle operated at 25 PSI on a normal day. There is hardly a day here when the wind is not blowing due east 10-15. It is called tradewinds. I will not spray on a still day. That is dangerous weather to be applying in. It is too humid and hot on still days, chemicals like Ronstar, 2,4-D and Banvel have a way of distilling from where they were sprayed and giving sensitive surrounding plants a herbicide fumigation. I once curled someone's trees by spraying the lawn underneath with ester on a day that was 90, humid and windless. Never have that problem when the wind is blowing. Of course, I control spray drift with good application technique, but I know something is wrong when the smell of 2,4-D just hangs in the air and does not dissipate. The DOA here, as much as they are sticklers for the label, make some allowances for me on wind. I am not on their hit list for drift or vapor damage. Many other applicators are, because of noncallibrated equipment that drifts or simple poor judgement.