eXmark Lazer Z

[Sooners]

I am going to buy a commercial ZTR mower this spring. I'm leaning towards an eXmark Lazer Z with a 60" cut. Does anyone have any experience with the 23hp Kohler? I don't want to spend an extra $1,000 for the 25hp if it's not necessary. Also, has anyone used both eXmark and other brands? And does anyone have a good solution for cutting bahiagrass in one pass?

[Guardian]

I am an eXmark fan-

I have used them for the past 2 years. I use high lift blades - and as long as they are sharp, bahai (sp) gets cut in 1 pass. I would not recommend using baffles under the deck if that is primarily what you're cutting.

Some on this sight use double blades, I have never tried them.

As far as horsepower, there will by a wide variety of opinions here on that. My neighbor has worked on commercial equipment for years and swears that we are all trained to pursue too much HP. He says most of Z's that have come out in the past few yrs have about 5 hp more than they really need.

So I'd save that 1k, if it were me

[Sooners]

Thanks Guardian for the info. What do you mean by double blades? Are you stacking them one on top of the other? If so, is this unsafe? I'm not sure what the spindles are like. Also, since there is no hood over the engines on the Lazer Z is it too loud or too hot on your back?

[odin]

SOONERS

First of all welcome the the forum
With doubles you put them in a cross direction

[Heavenly Green]

Ive got A 48"Lazer hp w/21hp kaw. also ezmark 52"w/b &
48"turf tracer w/b love all 3 of these machines they cut great
and make very defined lines.


As far as double blades I questioned the dealer about doing
this and they looked at me like I was crazy. He told me it would
cause damage to the spindles and posible the engine. Also void
any warranty and A Big Safety Issue. This has convinced me Im
not even attempting Double Blades.





STEVE

[Richard Martin]

I don't think that Exmark voids your warranty if you use double blades. Even if you do have to get waranty service on the spindle you don't have to tell them that you were using doubles do you? There is an Exmark Forum here at Lawnsite that is staffed by Exmark personel so you can ask them.

As far as the horsepower requirements go I feel the more the better. I know that is in contrast to what Guardian's friend says. Back when mowers didn't travel as fast as they do now you could get away with less horsepower but today's LCOs require a cleaner, faster, better looking cut.

[awm]

lazer,i highly recommend.ive got the 20 commandw 52 and
its all the power needed for that unit.the 25 had a bad rep at
one time ,but mabe fine now.id make sure a unit was not one with the problem engines.do a search on that.
in any case id rather be over than underpowered. under limits u some where as over allows u to put less stress on the motor in tough siituations. good luck and later.

[HOMER]

I was told by a very informed person that the 25 actually dyno's at 21 hp.

The 23 might have more power, I don't know.

Can't wait for the 30 hp that Chopper's going to be offering.

[Mowin4cash]

Originally posted by HOMER
I was told by a very informed person that the 25 actually dyno's at 21 hp.

The 23 might have more power, I don't know.

Can't wait for the 30 hp that Chopper's going to be offering.


30 hp???????? Fill me in Homer Homey


Mike:blob4:

[Rich54]

Talked to a dealer today about a 48" Z HP, said 17hp Kaw. was more than enough power!!?? Think'n bout getting one! Also, they never heard about "double blading"? Told them about "lawnsite" maybe they'll tune in!! Ther opinion was that with 18000+ blade speed, it wasn't needed!!??

[lx665]

I have a Lazer Z (60") with the 23hp Kohler and love it.

[WREBELMACHINE]

I have not had real good luck with the lazer but it's a decent machine. I agree with richard get the extra power!

HOMER the 30hp engine you are reffering to is that the GENERAC engine?

[HOWARD JONES]

Sooners, I have a 25 hp 62" Toro, a close relative of the Exmark - I have found this machine to be much cooler and quieter than a tractor-style mower, also very powerful - except in real heavy and tall grass, I believe the 23 would be sufficient - depends on the conditions you will have.

[65hoss]

As Richard said, the more the better. But the 23 hp will do just fine on this mower.

Doubles will not void any warrenties, but it is suggested not for "cover their azz reasons".

[LAWNGODFATHER]

The more the better.

The 23hp will be adiquit, but you never know when you will need the extra power.

Also Exmark has discontinued offering the 23hp Kaw and Kohler air cooled on the Lazer's

You should get a pretty good deal on them. I have seen em on sale for $7,000

[big james]

Exmark told me that they do not void warranty for running double blades ,this came from a rep on their web-site, not a dealer ,but if you run double blades you have to use a longer blade bolt !As far as horsepower goes look at the cubic inches of these 21-23-25 horse engines ,You will find that the bore and stroke are the same ,the difference is in carb jetting .butthey don't tell you that .If you use double blades on an Exmark with a mulch kit be prepared to get blown away by the amount of clippings that fly out from under the deck ,you will spend a lot of extra time chasing leaves around ,single blades work fine for mulching leaves ,even deep ones :D :angel:

[jason2]

I've been running doubles on my 18hp Lazer with 52" deck for two years. No need for longer bolts. It's only an extra 1/4 inch.

[big james]

aT 30 CENTS A PIECE ,I WOULD INVEST IN A LONGER BOLT ,IT'S NOT THE EXTRA THICKNESS OF THE EXTRA BLADE ,IT'S THE EXTRA LOAD . yOU MAY NOT EVER HAVE A PROBLEM BUT I LIVE BY THE "BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY " RULE It was an Exmark rep who told me to lengthen the bolt ,But you do whatever you fell comfortable with .:D :angel:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
As far as horsepower goes look at the cubic inches of these 21-23-25 horse engines ,You will find that the bore and stroke are the same ,the difference is in carb jetting .butthey don't tell you that .

Incorrect!!

The 18 through 22 hp is same bore and stroke, the 25 has bigger bore. Thats for vert. But that has changed with the new 23hp vert, it has 41.1 cid from the 38.1 cid 22hp.

The hor 23hp is 41.1 cid the 25hp is 44 cid.

[big james]

Ok, so you have done your home work LAWNGODFATHER, BUT i THINK MY POINT WAS STILL MADE ,YOU SAID IT YOURSELF 18 THRU 23 IS SAME BORE AND STROKE -THAT'S FIVE HORSEPOWER !
WHERE DOES THAT FIVE HORSE COME FROM ? LAWNGOD FATHER?

[big james]

i'M ON THIS SITE TO SHARE INFO ,NOT ARGUE OR SEE WHO KNOWS MORE THAN THE NEXT GUY , i WAS A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM OVER A YEAR AGO BUT DROPPED OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE KNOW IT ALLS THAT WERE ON HERE ,I was hoping that mentallity had changed but I guess that would be to much to expect from grown men.:D :angel:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
Ok, so you have done your home work LAWNGODFATHER, BUT i THINK MY POINT WAS STILL MADE ,YOU SAID IT YOURSELF 18 THRU 23 IS SAME BORE AND STROKE -THAT'S FIVE HORSEPOWER !
WHERE DOES THAT FIVE HORSE COME FROM ? LAWNGOD FATHER?

No I said 18 through 22hp done by carbaration. That's 4 hp. More gas more hp.

23 is bigger cid. 25 has even more cubes.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
i'M ON THIS SITE TO SHARE INFO ,NOT ARGUE OR SEE WHO KNOWS MORE THAN THE NEXT GUY , i WAS A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM OVER A YEAR AGO BUT DROPPED OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF ALL THE KNOW IT ALLS THAT WERE ON HERE ,I was hoping that mentallity had changed but I guess that would be to much to expect from grown men.:D :angel:

No I am just making sure the info is 100% correct, nothing against you.

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER


Incorrect!!

The 18 through 22 hp is same bore and stroke, the 25 has bigger bore. Thats for vert. But that has changed with the new 23hp vert, it has 41.1 cid from the 38.1 cid 22hp.

The hor 23hp is 41.1 cid the 25hp is 44 cid.

somehow I don't see anything about carburation in this post? so don't tell me you said so .

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Awwww come on. Don't tell me you are another one of those who don't think of what they read.

I did not disagree with the carb jetting just the cubic inches and hp ratings.

I even said that in the next post. I corrected the HP.

[big james]

I just left thKawasaki's website and their vertical shaft aircooled engines from 19 to 25 horse power all have 675 c.c.'s,I doubt very seriosly if they are changing bore and stroke on these motors . they are simlpy using more fuel <bigger jets in carb> or possibly some bigger valves . If you don't believe me LAWNGOD FATHER THEN GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF!:D :blob4:

[big james]

Just left Kohlers website ,here goes-17-25 h.p. all have same stroke . 18and 20 have same bore 3.03 22 has a bore of 3.15 and 25 has a bore of 3.27 all have a stroke of 2.67 NOW that should clear it up for every body ,when in doubt go to these mfg's website ,they all got one!:D :angel:

[TLS]

I also wouldn't doubt that the differences could be cam and ignition timing. If you look at the torque and HP curves (kawi posts these!) some are quite different, and at different RPM's.
Another trick back in the day, was Flywheel weight. This gives a weak engine the feeling of power. With ignition magnets moved slightly, and a heavier Flywheel, lots of power can be produced with the same CC's.

As for the original question....
Dont think Kohler makes a Horizontal 23HP anymore:rolleyes:

Also, spring the money for the EPS 26EFI.
You get foot deck lift, Very expensive suspension seat, and good air filter for a few bucks more than a 25hp unit. If anything, buy it for the free $600 seat!

[big james]

check out these people ,I ordered an exmark lazer-z h.p from them and saved over a 1000$ ,ALL i HAD TO DO WAS UNCRATE IT AND PUT THE WHEELS ON ,ADD ENGINE OIL AND IHAD TO GO PICK IT UP AT THE FREIGHT DOCK. Alamia .com:D

[big james]

I have a 2000 model lazer-z h,p. it has a 1 inch course thread blade bolt ,if you double your blades you only have a half inch of bolt in the spindle . I have a 2001 lazer zh.p. that has a longer fine thread bolt , so you can double the blades without having to lengthen the bolt .I have tried every combination of double blades and found no benefit for my use , as far as cutting baja grass < I know Ispelled it wrong > that is what we call that crap around here ,Exmarks decks aren't designed for it ,Scag will out cut an Exmark in baja grass ,I have seen it with my own eyes . But I would rather make two passes on baja grass and have that awesome Exmark deck for everything else:D :angel:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
Just left Kohlers website ,here goes-17-25 h.p. all have same stroke . 18and 20 have same bore 3.03 22 has a bore of 3.15 and 25 has a bore of 3.27 all have a stroke of 2.67 NOW that should clear it up for every body ,when in doubt go to these mfg's website ,they all got one!:D :angel:

My Spec were for All Kohler not that OTHER brand, I keep forgetting they offer it. Thanks for confirming my specs for Kohler.

TLS
Dont think Kohler makes a Horizontal 23HP anymore

They do, Exmark quit offering it on the Lazers

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
I just left thKawasaki's website and their vertical shaft aircooled engines from 19 to 25 horse power all have 675 c.c.'s,I doubt very seriosly if they are changing bore and stroke on these motors . they are simlpy using more fuel <bigger jets in carb> or possibly some bigger valves . If you don't believe me LAWNGOD FATHER THEN GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF!:D :blob4:

No wonder they suck.

[King City Lawns]

hey big james,
i guess your dealer wont mind giving you all the best service he can. i mean after all you really thought of him when you bought your unit... maybe a good deaaler with good service is not worth a $1000 to you, but wont catch me doing that. If my mowers go down my dealer will provide me another to run while mine is being repaired......How about you? I guess you could like haul your unit to the freight dock(after you take the wheels back off),just ship it back to 'em.

[big james]

My local dealer refused to sell me another mower after mine got stolen ,the reason why he did this is because I held his feet to the fire when the Kohler engine on this mower failed at 32 hours ,he blamed me so I went over his head directley to Kohler and Exmark ,this pissed him off . and another thing it don't matter where you buy it ,it's like a car ,all you have to do is take it to an authorized dealer for service and where I live there is a new dealer that will perform warranty work for me ,and by the way the dealer that refused to sell me another mower has been indicted for forging invoices and selling echo products out the back door, so pull your nose out of your local dealers butt long enough to get the full story before you start downing me for saving a grand by buying over the internet:D :angel:ANY QUESTIONS?

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER


No wonder they suck.

NO THEY DON'T SUCK ,BUT PARTS ARE HIGH FOR THEM AND kOHLERS AIR FILTRATION IS BETTER . i HAD TO PAY 21 BUCKS FOR AN AIR CLEANER FOR THAT kAWASAKI, tHE ONLY REASON i BOUGHT A UNIT WITH A KAWASAKI IS BECAUSE OF A BAD EXPERIANCE i HAD WITH KOHLER WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THAT LIFTER PROBLEM .

[big james]

yOU WON'T CATCH ME DEPENDING ON ANY DEALER TO SUPPLY ME WITH A LOANER IF MY MOWER GOES DOWN ,THAT'S WHY I HAVE TWO LAZER'S AND TWO OF EVERY THING ELSE , AND NO i'M NOT TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A BIG SHOT ,MOST OF THESE GUYS ON HERE MAKE A LOT MORE$$$$$ AT THIS THAN I DO. i DEPEND ON ME AND NOBODY ELSE OTHER THAN MY SALVATION AND HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST:D :angel:

[brucec32]

Hey King, your theory on getting better service by buying from a dealer sounds like you bought a salesman's pitch, hook, line and sinker. Used car salesmen at car dealers use the same line. That's why I paid $3,000 less for my last used car, bought from an individual, than I would have at a dealer. It may work for you, but I have to say that I don't see how it makes sense for most of us.

In fact, one big reason the mower costs $1,000 more at a dealer instead of maybe $100 for the extras they do really provide is the fact that you're paying for things like "salesmen" and their commissions. The ones I've run across are just parroting back info from a brochure or stuff otherwise available from users and on the internet (like here). Most knew less than I did about the mowers they were selling. One guy couldn't tell me if the Lazer Z even had sealed bearings or not! And he was standing right next to the mower! I'd have mail ordered every single piece of my equipment if I could have. How many $6,000 mowers do you think one of those guys sells every year, on average, year round? I doubt they sell more than one a week on average, remembering that half they year they sell virtually none. That means he has to take almost a $1,000 cut of every one sold to make a living. All for saying "great mower, it really flies...how's your credit?" I'm usually decided on what I want BEFORE I enter a dealer store. Thanks, but I'll pass on the sales assistance, delivery, and assembly to save $1,000.

In my opinion, the majority of dealers are so poorly run that they have to charge a lot more just to make up for their inefficiency.

Maybe if you have a fleet of mowers and do big business there, you might get some perks that matter by buying from a dealer. But then, you're overpaying that $1,000/unit on a lot more mowers, aren't you? But for most of us here, owning one or just a few mowers, most dealers couldn't care less where you bought the thing. If it's warranty work, Exmark cuts them a check for it. If not, they get to charge you for it. They WANT paying customers. Short of you walking in and bragging about buying it online, I doubt they care much. Why would they purposely try to run potential customers off for not buying their current mowers there? I have bought 10 mowers, dethatchers, and aerators so far from 3 different dealers, and not once in 10 years have I been asked where I bought them when I brought a mower in for service at any of the dealers. I've always been moved ahead of homeowners for service and I guess behind other commercial cutters who got there ahead of me. Any dealer who snubs non-buyers is unprofessional, which is a great reason not to buy from him in the first place. With that immature attitude, he'll start snubbing you too the first time you look cross-eyed at him over a dispute. Heck, for $1,000 in savings, I bet I could offer a dealer an extra $50 anytime I brought it in to get it repaired by a reasonable deadline, and still be way ahead over the life of the mower. I've had my lazer Z in the shop twice in 4 years. And both times it was something I could have just ordered a part for and installed myself, except it was under warranty. Both times, I got the mower back within a day or two.

Even as a small operation, I also manage to always have backup equipment, so loaners aren't even a factor. If you're in a business grossing upwards of $40,000 a year, how hard is it to arrange to have a $1,000 serviceable backup available, especially when not having one could cost you $1,000 and lots of angry customers in a mere week of inactivity? Having spares is part of the cost of doing business in a professional manner. I bought a Toro proline 36" five years ago for $1,000 and it still runs fine in occasional use. I could sell it for that price today, I bet. If you're a bigger operation grossing $300,000, you should easily be able to budget in a spare. Say you have 4 crews? Then have 5 Lazer Zs in your inventory. The spare even helps you rotate service in to avoid interruptions or delays.

In the days before the internet and the information revolution, dealers provided a useful service by demonstrating products and distributing information to the customer. Now, I can watch a video of the mower in action, email the factory engineers direct with questions, ask dozens of users (here) about the pros/cons, and I really have no need to pay yet another middleman (manufacturer-distributor-dealer-end user) his profit for providing a dubiously valuable service.

Hurray for the guy who saved $1000 by doing a little work himself picking up prepping the mower himself. Heck, they are selling Echo trimmers for $25 plus less than my dealer wants, right here on this website! Why do I need a dealer to help me buy a trimmer that's essentially the same as the other 20 or so I've bought before?

[brucec32]

I just realized that if you can save $1,000/mower buying them online, you could almost buy a spare mower with the savings! Who needs the dealer's loaner then?

<<<. If you're a bigger operation grossing $300,000, you should easily be able to budget in a spare. Say you have 4 crews? Then have 5 Lazer Zs in your inventory. The spare even helps you rotate service in to avoid interruptions or delays. >>>

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james


NO THEY DON'T SUCK ,BUT PARTS ARE HIGH FOR THEM AND kOHLERS AIR FILTRATION IS BETTER . i HAD TO PAY 21 BUCKS FOR AN AIR CLEANER FOR THAT kAWASAKI, tHE ONLY REASON i BOUGHT A UNIT WITH A KAWASAKI IS BECAUSE OF A BAD EXPERIANCE i HAD WITH KOHLER WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THAT LIFTER PROBLEM .

Too bad I did not know you then, I could have taken care of that Kohler problem for you.

And sometimes you have to go over the dealers head, I know I have for 1 lemon I got, but didn't take me long to think "get rid of it fast"!!!!

Oh BTW you nor I said Kohler or Kaw in the previous posts till the web site ones, so my applogies for not being spacific.

[big james]

thanks for setting the record straight for them Bruce and LAWNGOD FATHER NO INSULT TAKEN AND NO APOLOGY NEEDE D! kOHLER STOOD BEHIND THEIR ENGINE ,IT WAS THAT WONDERFUL DEALER THAT MADE A NIGHTMARE OUT OF A SIMPLE LITTLE PROBLEM LOL . FOR THE GUY ON HERE THAT THINKS ALL THESE DEALERS ARE SO GREAT ,IM SURE MINE WOULD LIKE A VISITOR DOWN AT THE OLE FEDERAL PEN>LOL:D

[King City Lawns]

I live in a pretty rural area with a pretty small dealer. Every time I go in he knows me, my mowers and all the info on my mowers. I do not have my nose stuck up his butt, I am only respecting the quality service he has so far provided me. I have not yet had to order a single part, every thing i have needed was in stock with the exception of a collection system for my new grasshpopper. That was propably my fault for waiting untill the first week of Nov. to order it...
Maybe someday I will have a bad experienc with a dealer and will feel just as betrayed and bitter as you seem to be, but as long as my dealer will do things like drive to a job site and pick up my mower (that was not even under warranty) and bring me another to run I will think very highly of his service.. That to me IS worth $1,000. I only run one mower and a jd w/b that only gets used on certain jobs. I made about $50, 000 this year, but only half is from lawn care... I do a good deal of bush hogging. It would not be very economical for me to have another mower at this point. I also though can not afford to get behind. If I get behind I am also behind on my bush hog, and that is better money.

[MONTE]

I would agree with you KCL. Down here there is a dealer that has a small dirty shop in a fairly large town. Almost all pro cutters buy there equipment from him. Why? Service most of the time he will fix you on the trailer! The other million dollar show room shops you have to leave the machine for a week at a time, also they have no loaners. So I don't care what he looks like as long as he keeps me mowing, so I to will pay a little extra to him because in my case at least it cheaper in the long run!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
check out these people ,I ordered an exmark lazer-z h.p from them and saved over a 1000$ ,ALL i HAD TO DO WAS UNCRATE IT AND PUT THE WHEELS ON ,ADD ENGINE OIL AND IHAD TO GO PICK IT UP AT THE FREIGHT DOCK. Alamia .com:D

They no longer carry the Exmark line. Maby you pissed Exmark off by buying from Alamia.com. J/K;)

I happened to be at one of my dealers today. They carry many of the same brands as on Alamia.com and the dealer was right in line or less than Alimia.com's prices. Only differances are Tax vrs assembly.

[brucec32]

Sounds like you might have a comprehension problem, King City Lawns. I never indicated that I was bitter or had a beef with any dealer. I said they're hopelessly inefficient and I find their services to be of far less worth than the additional price warrants. You may not have $1000 in your bank account and need to essentially prepay rental on a spare by overpaying for your mowers. I don't have that problem. One reason why is because I actually spend some time thinking about how to be more efficient, rather than carrying on in a "business as usual" mode, refusing to innovate or accept better ways of doing things.

I also carefully explained why you can virtually PAY FOR A SPARE mower with the savings from a single large mower. Did you not read that part? And to repeat...let's say this slowly...if you have a spare...you don't need to worry if your mower takes a week to repair at a shop...since you already have a spare mower to use! So I don't really care if the dealer drives out to fix my mower in the field, or loans me a beater walk-behind, or washes my truck. I don't need him to. I choose not to pay for that "service".

Most days by 5pm I'm sitting home in the AC while guys who overpay, underanalyze, and overwork to make a living are still out there at 7pm every day, working weekends, continuing to make the same mistakes, because they're not willing to admit someone else might just possibly have a better way to do things.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Have you guys ever heard the phraze "TAX DEDUCTABLE"?

BTW I would buy if it was $1000 less but my dealers prices are in line with most of the ones that say their prices are cheaper, or he will match their price.

[big james]

Agood one can be an advantage ,I'll agree ,a bad one can put you out of business ,that is what mine tried to do , In my neck of the woods Exmark and Kohler Engines are sold to the dealers by a company that sells heavy eqip. <Waukesha -Pearce Industries>.That is who I ended up having to complain to about my dealer ,when I told him I was going around him and the dealer and straight to Alamia .com and save a grand or more! ,he felt his wallet start to lighten ,and told me that He and every body else that sells exmark were going to put alamia .com out of business! Oh well I could care less every time I turn around there is a new Exmark dealer popping up in my area ,I may have to buy from them but I will never allow myself to depend on a loaner from any of them, Lets see -Adealer sells 100 lazers ,I bet it would take 5 to 10 loaners to keep every body up and running ,I doubt very serious if any Exmark dealer has 5 loaners .CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER


They no longer carry the Exmark line. Maby you pissed Exmark off by buying from Alamia.com. J/K;)

I happened to be at one of my dealers today. They carry many of the same brands as on Alamia.com and the dealer was right in line or less than Alimia.com's prices. Only differances are Tax vrs assembly. NO SALES TAX ON 7000 amounts to577.50 in Texas!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
NO SALES TAX ON 7000 amounts to577.50 in Texas!

I think you misunderstood, so I will point it out again, not sales tax on a puchace, TAX DEDUCTABLE off your income.

Oh you have a little Lazer.

Just so you do realize, when you buy a mower from a dealer that some of the moneies goes to pay the rent for the "PARTS DEPARTMENT".

[big james]

Maybe yoy misunderstood l.g.f ,Alamia is in Colorado ,if you buy something from them outside of Colorado you don't pay sales tax.
I have a C.P.A. for a father -in -law . so I let him worry about my income tax.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

NO you haven't gotten it yet.

All equipment puchaces are tax deductable.

No matter HOW MUCH is costs. So to save $1000 in puchaces, you pay taxes on the monies in one way or another.

And yes your CPA will know what to do with it.

[big james]

How do you pay taxes on money you have not spent ,now think about that awhile before you answer L.G.F. ???:D

[big james]

ARE ALL OF YOUR 1400 + posts as useless as the latest ones I have read ? You sure like to argue over trivial matters ,maybe you need a new hobby, I wonder if A.A. has a program for a Lawn Site Addict???? lol:rolleyes: :D

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER


I think you misunderstood, so I will point it out again, not sales tax on a puchace, TAX DEDUCTABLE off your income.

Oh you have a little Lazer.

Just so you do realize, when you buy a mower from a dealer that some of the moneies goes to pay the rent for the "PARTS DEPARTMENT". OH YOU HAVE A LITTLE LAZER ,NO ACTUALLY i HAVE TWO ! A 44 AND A 48 .

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
How do you pay taxes on money you have not spent ,now think about that awhile before you answer L.G.F. ???:D

Forget it, I guess I'm talking to a brick wall.

[TLS]

Big James,

You are rocking the boat a bit yourself ! :eek:

You have to pay sales tax "legally" in your state on that "out of state" purchase. It is just your responsibility. Alamia, just doesn't have to charge it for you.

What LGF is getting at is, what ever you dont spend on paper, you are taxed on as PROFIT. Plus, you can depreciate/deduct this purchase(s) as a business expense. So yeah, you saved $1000, but did you really?

Certian things I DO buy through mail order. Most of which, there is no "local" place that offers it. As for big purchases, I'd like to spend a bit more to a dealer that will back me up. Wether that be, loaning me a mower, or getting me in the shop ASAP. It is money well spent! I would never think of trying to get speedy warranty service from MY dealer with a mower I purchased eslewhere!

Thats like Mrs. Jones asking you to come over for free and blow out her mulch beds that your competition mowed and blew grass clippings into!

You have TWO little Lazers :p

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Thanks for explaining it in more detail.

BTW a dealer does get paid for warrenty work by the MFG.

[TLS]

Yes they do get Paid, but not always enough!

They pay O.K. but the dealer would rather work on Mr. Jones' mower, charge him what THEY NEED to, and get Mr. Jones' cash right away.
Three reasons right there for a dealer to put Big James on the back burner when his "fleedletap on the overhead gaskulatory system isn't congestiating with the left of the diabolical center".

I do 95% of my own wrenching, but there is always those times where its better off left to the pro's. Thats when a good dealer relationship really shines!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by TLS
Yes they do get Paid, but not always enough!

They pay O.K. but the dealer would rather work on Mr. Jones' mower, charge him what THEY NEED to, and get Mr. Jones' cash right away.
Three reasons right there for a dealer to put Big James on the back burner when his "fleedletap on the overhead gaskulatory system isn't congestiating with the left of the diabolical center".

I do 95% of my own wrenching, but there is always those times where its better off left to the pro's. Thats when a good dealer relationship really shines!

Oh yes, and I guess that's why I picked the dealer I did to spend my hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And I do about all the repairs I can and leave the ones for the dealer I think they are better off doing also.

[65hoss]

Originally posted by big james
OH YOU HAVE A LITTLE LAZER ,NO ACTUALLY i HAVE TWO ! A 44 AND A 48 .

But he has the big truck. ;) :p :D

[ADA]

Just a note about buying locally. For every dollar that is spent it has a local impact of 7 times that amount. So on a $7000 purchase it has a $49000 impact in your local economy. That impact when mail ordered or on internet benefits somewhere else. This factor can be verified by your local chamber of commerce.
Will the guy on the internet or mail order give your name out to potential clients?? There is a chance that the dealer locally , someonre that works for him, will. I am not in lawn service but I enjoy reading this site. If available I always buy locally. I do not buy from chain stores where profit goes somewhere else if I can find a mom & pop. You get a chance to get your money back in around about way when the money stays local

[ADA]

Just a note about buying locally. For every dollar that is spent it has a local impact of 7 times that amount. So on a $7000 purchase it has a $49000 impact in your local economy. That impact when mail ordered or on internet benefits somewhere else. This factor can be verified by your local chamber of commerce.
Will the guy on the internet or mail order give your name out to potential clients?? There is a chance that the dealer locally , someonre that works for him, will. I am not in lawn service but I enjoy reading this site. If available I always buy locally. I do not buy from chain stores where profit goes somewhere else if I can find a mom & pop. You get a chance to get your money back in around about way when the money stays local

[big james]

How did you know I was in the Trucking business too? I have two of those also 1999 ,379 pete with 550 h.p. cat and a 1998 w-900 kenworth with a 500h.p. Cummings Leased to Quater Note Trans . out of Oak Hill Fla. I also got a harley sportster I run on the drag strip that puts 110HORSESTO THE BACK WHEEL ,don't talk to me about wrenching -dealers or baby lazers .:D

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james
,don't talk to me about wrenching -dealers or baby lazers .:D

I don't belive that this is even worth comenting on, but I did see the smile.

I wonder what you would do if the diesel guys would piss you off?

ADA way to go dude.

[big james]

Just like I have stated before if it is under warranty ,they are more than happy to collect that dollar from the manufacturer. anybody that is an authorized dealer will fix my trucks nationwide -no questions asked.:D

[big james]

I am a memberof my local Chamber of Commerce ,but in this area it means very little . My local Exmark -Echo Dealer is owned by a company in Shreveport La. ,how much of his profit do you think he spends in my town in Texas , HOW DO YOU GUYS GET SO WRAPPED UP IN THESE DEALERS ? I DON'T GET IT !:confused:

[big james]

I guess you never go and shop at wal-mart do you ?;)

[LAWNGODFATHER]

You just had a POS for a dealer!

And just answered for the same as if you had a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Mower, ETC.....

anybody that is an authorized dealer will fix my whatever nationwide -no questions asked.

That's what is is for almost any product.HOW DO YOU GUYS GET SO WRAPPED UP IN THESE DEALERS ? I DON'T GET IT !

Who says I'm wrapped up in my dealer?

Your the kind of people dealers hate.

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
You just had a POS for a dealer!

And just answered for the same as if you had a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Mower, ETC.....



That's what is is for almost any product.

so what's your point lgf

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Damn are you that thick in the head?

Point was, You have a piece of crap dealer!!!!!

A mower is a product.

Never mind, this is pointless.

[big james]

No I'm the kind that keeps dealers on their toes ,and yes you are right ,I had to deal with a shitty dealer ,on more than a lawnmower ,and no I'm not bitter ,the guy named bruce who posted a comment on this subject earlier summed it up best .Dealers don't put me on the back burner because they want my business ,they want to sell people like me their products because they know my reputation for maintenance ,honessty ,integrity etc.. and they also know I can go elsewhere to buy whatever, I keep the upper hand ,if they refuse to fix my mower ,truck etc.. then I report them to the manufacturer. and I get results ,I run my business like the customer is always right so why should I accept any less from a dealer?????????????????

[big james]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
Damn are you that thick in the head?

Point was, You have a piece of crap dealer!!!!!

A mower is a product.

Never mind, this is pointless. [/QUOTE


No not thick in the head just thick skinned:D

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Maby your thick skin was covering your eyes, cause you finaly got the jist of it.:D

[big james]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
Maby your thick skin was covering your eyes, cause you finaly got the jist of it.:D

Finally got the jist of what ? have you not realized that you can't tell me anything ,because you don't know anything ,you talk in circles and contradict yourself .

[big james]

Where is a picture ofv all these BIGGGG Exmarks you own ,all I see is a Dodge lol:rolleyes: :D

[big james]

Looks like those huuuuge Exmarks of yours need a bath lol:cool:

[ADA]

Did't mention anything about the dealer or how great they were. Just said that money spent locally has a 7 time boost to the local economy.
Yes you do have that exactly right I DO NOT SET FOOT IN WAL(crap)MART. Read a post the done the other day about bidding on Wal(crap)mart. I just do not buy anything there!!!!! That store is not the good neighbor that their advertising leads you to believe. Made in USA Ha Ha. I serve on many local charitable donations and have yet to get even a discount from them. Local merchants have donated Big Screen TV's, microwaves, etc. and will almost always give you a sizable discount for charity. Does your mail order dealer (internet) provide free gods or discounts to your local charitable organizations? SURE HE DOES.
I am sure that the internet dealer sponsers your Local little league baseball team. I know for a fact that he is the one that loaned Ol' Pete that mower when his got burned up in the house fire and his mower was not insured. Oh yea he is the one that donated a lawn mower to the Boy Scouts for their raffle whern they were raising money. He is the one that coaches in the local YMCA soccer team. Yeah that is the guy that has the internet agency that I buyed my mower from that I saved $1000 bucks on if I included the tax that I had to pay locally. Opps. I forgot I was supposed to declare taxes on that out of state purchase $577.00taxes due. Oh well WHO will know?
Your dealer in your local market may be the biggest P O S that every walked the face of the earth I just said there are REAL advantages to buying locally other than dollars and cents. LOOK at the big picture. There are more things in life than a buck.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by big james


Finally got the jist of what ? have you not realized that you can't tell me anything ,because you don't know anything ,you talk in circles and contradict yourself .
Yes I realized your a Dumb azz

Never mind.

Once again good post ADA

[Administrator]

That one wraps it up.