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bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 02:04 PM
Really bored, since Sunday morning I have been thinking about how I would best fit the skid steer and mini excavator on my trailer.
This was the trial test fit:
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Next test will have the Cat with it's ass end up against the neck, and the blade of the excavator inside the bucket with the boom on the end of the trailer, then I don't need to jockey the end machine around to get the ramps to flip up and I can get more weight to the end of the trailer.
The truck suspension only went down an inch and the trailer suspension was only damn near bottomed out, Cat weighs 7600 lbs (full cab and bucket) and mini weighs 7200 (full cab and buckets) for a combined weight of 14,800 lbs.

I'm going to have to increase my insured GVW another 2000 kgs.

Scag48
08-04-2008, 02:09 PM
Ron, what are you allowed to haul on that bad boy? I think that would be pushing the limit down here without a CDL. I can't remember if you said you had a CDL or not.

KrayzKajun
08-04-2008, 02:27 PM
the things tht happen when yur bored!!

superdigger
08-04-2008, 03:02 PM
Looks good ron, nothing beats going down the road with two machine trailing behind you. I always load my trailer with my s185 and 331 mini-excavator, you can see people pass you and turn their heads... thats right keep lookin!

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 03:14 PM
Ron, what are you allowed to haul on that bad boy? I think that would be pushing the limit down here without a CDL. I can't remember if you said you had a CDL or not.


I'm Class 1 with full air and multi-trailer combo's, I passed my Road test in October of last year.
My truck and trailer Licensed CGVW is 11,500 KGS, so I'll get it up to 13,500 to be safe.

superdigger
08-04-2008, 03:20 PM
http://<a href="http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc35/04f350powerv-xt/?action=view&current=nologotruck.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc35/04f350powerv-xt/nologotruck.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
doubt this will work......

superdigger
08-04-2008, 03:26 PM
http://http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc35/04f350powerv-xt/nologotruck.jpg

Maybe this will work

superdigger
08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
sorry, i was trying to post a picture of my truck with the machines loaded on on the trailer.

ARP
08-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Ron, who manufactures your gooseneck trailer?

Junior M
08-04-2008, 05:11 PM
you could put a platform up on the neck and set the bucket of the cat up there and then put the mini on the back of the trailer to save some space

Junior M
08-04-2008, 05:35 PM
i just noticed something! there is a boobcrap seat in your mini!! what the crap is up with that!! you hate them but yet your representing them? hmm so what is the crazy story behind that ron?

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Ron, who manufactures your gooseneck trailer?

It's built by Snake River trailers, in the corresponding town of it's name.

I really should have looked around more, but this one was the most "economically" priced at the time. But I need to do about $1200 in welding to it to get it up to my specifications, things like beefing up the ramps and beaver tail for heavier equipment (15,000+ lbs) stronger tie downs between the stake pockets, and yes, a deck on the neck for carrying a bucket from the skid steers and eventually a concealed fuel tank in the frame rails and winch package.

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 05:54 PM
i just noticed something! there is a boobcrap seat in your mini!! what the crap is up with that!! you hate them but yet your representing them? hmm so what is the crazy story behind that ron?

I'm surprised no one else has caught on with that by now, that seat has been in there since Fall of last year.
The story is that Wajax couldn't put a "good" suspension seat in there for under $1500, and they also said it might be too tall for the cab, and your head would hit the roof, yet Deere has them in their mini's.
So I popped the cab up, took the measurements from my T190's seat and all I had to do was re-drill the holes 1/4" inside the existing seat mount holes, bolt it down and it was ready to go. All it cost me was $800 and 2 hours on the weekend. It's much better than the factory seat, but not like the Cat and Komatsu seats they have, so but is an improvement.

Junior M
08-04-2008, 05:56 PM
when i said put the bucket of the cat up there i meant turn it so the engine compartment of it is to the back of the trailer and you could raise the boom up and set the bucket up there. that is the way dad used to do it with a 773 and a 331..

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Something like that, even when I carry the utility bucket and grapple bucket and the jackhammer is on the skid steer, just having one bucket on the neck saves more space.
This was merely a test to see if my measurements payed off, the true test is actual driving and like Gravel Rat always warns of......STOPPING POWER.

ARP
08-04-2008, 06:35 PM
Thanks Ron. I'm in the process of specing a gooseneck for my truck as well to haul a 3000 ROC CTL and attachments and a 12K- 14k lb mini. Anything else I should keep in mind?

pjtrailerguy
08-04-2008, 07:40 PM
Thanks Ron. I'm in the process of specing a gooseneck for my truck as well to haul a 3000 ROC CTL and attachments and a 12K- 14k lb mini. Anything else I should keep in mind?

I highly recommend a PJ gooseneck. If you are interested give me a call at toll free 866-463-9911 and I can give you prices and all the info you ever need on them. We are a large dealer in central PA with over 40 new PJ goosenecks in stock. In that mess there's bound to be one you're looking for!! Our hours are M-F 8-5 and Sat 8-12. Ask for Wendall.

Junior M
08-04-2008, 07:51 PM
I highly recommend a PJ gooseneck. If you are interested give me a call at toll free 866-463-9911 and I can give you prices and all the info you ever need on them. We are a large dealer in central PA with over 40 new PJ goosenecks in stock. In that mess there's bound to be one you're looking for!! Our hours are M-F 8-5 and Sat 8-12. Ask for Wendall.
how fast can a dealership get a gooseneck? when we bought our pj we would have had to wait until june to get a gooseneck and we needed a trailer right away so we got stuck with a bumper pull.

Gravel Rat
08-04-2008, 07:53 PM
The only bad part about licensing the F-450 for a gvw that heavy now you need a annual CVI for the truck and trailer. It can be a real pain in the backside.

As for loading the Cat and Excavator on the trailer you want the excavator on the back and the cab parallel to the sides of the trailer and the boom sticking straight out the back. You can curl the boom down so it sits on the beaver tail and throws some weight rearward.

You can throw a set of timbrens in the 450 to help the squat it also helps support the frame above the the rear axle. The S110 rear axle in the F-450 is good for 14,500lbs but Ford rates it at 11,000lbs. You just want to limit the pin weight.

pjtrailerguy
08-04-2008, 07:55 PM
It largely depends on the size of the dealer and how many orders they have in the system. Normally we can get any trailer from PJs with 4 weeks. A normal run of the mill gooseneck is usually even less than that. What for gooseneck were you looking for?

Junior M
08-04-2008, 08:12 PM
It largely depends on the size of the dealer and how many orders they have in the system. Normally we can get any trailer from PJs with 4 weeks. A normal run of the mill gooseneck is usually even less than that. What for gooseneck were you looking for?
we were looking for a 24ft deckover gooseneck.. we werent goin to add anything to it.. but if we could have got it sooner we were goin to add tie downs and l.e.d. lights and a platform on the neck. but they said it was goin to be june before we could get a plain jane one so we icksnayed that cuz we needed one right away so we got stuck with a 24 foot bumper pull it sucks but we get by.

Junior M
08-04-2008, 08:12 PM
oooo yeah i forgot to add it was goin to be a 14,000 pound gvw.

BrandonV
08-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Ron this is my trailer. It was manufactured by Trailmann. It's a electric tilt deck (aka the whole thing stands up) I much prefer this to ramps mainly because I'm usually loading/unloading by myself and on thing track machines don't like are wet steel ramps. I used to pull this with my f550 which I had to part w/ when I found this 7500 at next to nothing. But anyways it's a great trailer. it weigh 9k lbs and I typically carry our 287B and 2 ditch witch sk650s + all attachments or when hauling trees I normally get 16 50" b&bs on there. 30' deck btw

pjtrailerguy
08-04-2008, 08:33 PM
oooo yeah i forgot to add it was goin to be a 14,000 pound gvw.

Thats too bad. We have probably close to 15 goosenecks like that in stock right now! Mostly 25' (20+5) and some 26 and 28'. The deck over the neck is something we add on all the time right in our shop so we can do it to any existing trailer. (we stock the deck loose) LED lights are standard as of Feb 08 and tie downs can also be added. But there's quite a distance between us!! BTW we have a few 25' goosenecks left on old steel prices for 5700. Add another 500 to have the deck weld on the neck. LED lights, front toolbox, 2 jacks, spare tire & wheel included.

Junior M
08-04-2008, 08:53 PM
Thats too bad. We have probably close to 15 goosenecks like that in stock right now! Mostly 25' (20+5) and some 26 and 28'. The deck over the neck is something we add on all the time right in our shop so we can do it to any existing trailer. (we stock the deck loose) LED lights are standard as of Feb 08 and tie downs can also be added. But there's quite a distance between us!! BTW we have a few 25' goosenecks left on old steel prices for 5700. Add another 500 to have the deck weld on the neck. LED lights, front toolbox, 2 jacks, spare tire & wheel included.
yeah the 25ft is what we wanted.. i forgot the goosenecks have the five foot dovetail. ours only has the three foot dovetail. ours must have been a left over cuz we bought it in march of 2008. we paid 4700 for ours we could have got a 25ft horton gooseneck that had been used once to deliver a tractor since the same dealer sold tractors and he said he would sell us the trailer and install a hitch in our chevy for 350 and then when we updated to a bigger truck he said he would put a hitch in it for 400 but of course my mom talked my dad out of it because she thought it was to much money. but we are goin to end up selling this trailer when i get a truck so we can get a gooseneck and we will lose our ass on it. i can about guarantee we will but whatever there is a reason for everything. atleast we arent renting trailers anymore that sucked!!

Dirt Digger2
08-04-2008, 08:53 PM
pjtrailerguy i wanted to PM you but you must not have that available yet because you are a new member...we are in the looking phases right now for a deckover 6 ton bumper pull...what are your prices like?

...also welcome to the site!

Junior M
08-04-2008, 08:56 PM
pjtrailerguy i wanted to PM you but you must not have that available yet because you are a new member...we are in the looking phases right now for a deckover 6 ton bumper pull...what are your prices like?

...also welcome to the site!
we bought a 7 ton 24ft and paid 4700 for it.. course prices are alot lower on things here

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Thanks Ron. I'm in the process of specing a gooseneck for my truck as well to haul a 3000 ROC CTL and attachments and a 12K- 14k lb mini. Anything else I should keep in mind?

The most important thing to remember is, add up the max. amount of weight that you will be placing on it, skid steer and attachments, then buy a trailer that has that for a load weight. What I mean is, my trailer is rated for a combined GVW of 20,000 lbs, that means I need to subtract 6000 lbs of trailer weight already on the axles, and I am left with a max allowed load of 14,000 pounds, keep that in mind, and if the manufacturer says you can go over, get that in writing!!!If the axles snap and start blowing seals, then you can show the statement that the trailer seller said and they have to fix, it not you.

bobcat_ron
08-04-2008, 09:24 PM
The only bad part about licensing the F-450 for a gvw that heavy now you need a annual CVI for the truck and trailer. It can be a real pain in the backside.

As for loading the Cat and Excavator on the trailer you want the excavator on the back and the cab parallel to the sides of the trailer and the boom sticking straight out the back. You can curl the boom down so it sits on the beaver tail and throws some weight rearward.

You can throw a set of timbrens in the 450 to help the squat it also helps support the frame above the the rear axle. The S110 rear axle in the F-450 is good for 14,500lbs but Ford rates it at 11,000lbs. You just want to limit the pin weight.

I get my inspections done every June, I got caught some years ago by the CVSE, probably saved me an accident. I am fully aware and up to date on weight classes and restrictions. I might be a moron, but I ain't no idiot.

But tell me more about this timber thing, now you got me curious.

pjtrailerguy
08-04-2008, 09:46 PM
pjtrailerguy i wanted to PM you but you must not have that available yet because you are a new member...we are in the looking phases right now for a deckover 6 ton bumper pull...what are your prices like?

...also welcome to the site!

Thank-you! Its a very interesting site! I was trying to PM a guy to and couldn't. We have a lot of 20' 14,000 GVWs in stock right now. Price is $4850 with all the surcharges. That is 17+3 with 60" stand up ramps. Is there any chance you will be at Ag Progress Days in State College? We will have a big display there on East 1st Street. We have a real nice 22' deckover tilt that you might like...

Dirt Digger2
08-04-2008, 09:47 PM
when is that? I go to Penn State and i am planning on making a trip up there this friday after work and coming home saturday because i need to buy books and get a few things taken car of before school starts...i have always wanted to go but my schedule always gets in the way

Gravel Rat
08-04-2008, 11:41 PM
The timbrens are used allot in Tow trucks I probably get a set for my F450.

They are a rubber cushion like a oversized bump stop but its made out of rubber and it helps carry the load and takes it off the springs. I had a homemade set in a truck the truck would carry 3 ton on a old 70s 1 ton.

Here is their website

www.timbren.com

Dendoff spring in Scurrey B.C. is the supplier for Timbrens.

pjtrailerguy
08-05-2008, 09:05 AM
when is that? I go to Penn State and i am planning on making a trip up there this friday after work and coming home saturday because i need to buy books and get a few things taken car of before school starts...i have always wanted to go but my schedule always gets in the way

Its on the 19th -21st of this month. We plan to take at least 15-20 trailers up there. I only asked you because I saw something about PSU in your signature. It is a good show.

bobcat_ron
08-05-2008, 09:17 AM
The timbrens are used allot in Tow trucks I probably get a set for my F450.

They are a rubber cushion like a oversized bump stop but its made out of rubber and it helps carry the load and takes it off the springs. I had a homemade set in a truck the truck would carry 3 ton on a old 70s 1 ton.

Here is their website

www.timbren.com

Dendoff spring in Scurrey B.C. is the supplier for Timbrens.



I definitely book mark that site. Thanks!

Junior M
08-05-2008, 04:43 PM
Its on the 19th -21st of this month. We plan to take at least 15-20 trailers up there. I only asked you because I saw something about PSU in your signature. It is a good show.
love your avatar!! thats the trailer of my dreams!!

pjtrailerguy
08-05-2008, 08:55 PM
love your avatar!! thats the trailer of my dreams!!

Same here! Its my favorite trailer that PJ builds. I love selling them. We have 2 really nice gray ones in the yard right now, a 34 and 36'. The 36' is a sold custom order. It has hyd brakes and a 12k Warn winch going on it. We do almost all the hyd dovetails in lo profile. I'll email you a couple better pics if you want me to. (for your enjoyment!!)

Dirt Digger2
08-05-2008, 08:58 PM
mid-week i can't make it up...time is money down here right now...we are busier then we have been in a long while...they want me to start working 7 days a week until i go back to school at the end of August

pjtrailerguy
08-05-2008, 09:11 PM
mid-week i can't make it up...time is money down here right now...we are busier then we have been in a long while...they want me to start working 7 days a week until i go back to school at the end of August

If you go to our website www.fayettetrailersales.com and click on the contact us page (if you want!) and drop me your email or mailing address I can gladly send you some pictures and brochures and more specs on deckovers.

bobcatuser
08-05-2008, 09:31 PM
Ron, Instead of adding the deck on top of the neck, why not get a welder to cut the GN off. Then re-weld the new deck lower to match the truck.

When my trailer goes in for inspection Iím getting this done, I can also move the king pin 3í back to get a tighter turn radius.

With the two machines on the combo grosses 12,800 KG. over the scale.

DUSTYCEDAR
08-05-2008, 09:42 PM
i like the neck idea

Junior M
08-05-2008, 09:48 PM
Ron, Instead of adding the deck on top of the neck, why not get a welder to cut the GN off. Then re-weld the new deck lower to match the truck.

When my trailer goes in for inspection Iím getting this done, I can also move the king pin 3í back to get a tighter turn radius.

With the two machines on the combo grosses 12,800 KG. over the scale.
yeah really good idea and nice rig by the way! lets see some more shots of it! looks good!

Junior M
08-05-2008, 09:51 PM
Same here! Its my favorite trailer that PJ builds. I love selling them. We have 2 really nice gray ones in the yard right now, a 34 and 36'. The 36' is a sold custom order. It has hyd brakes and a 12k Warn winch going on it. We do almost all the hyd dovetails in lo profile. I'll email you a couple better pics if you want me to. (for your enjoyment!!)
can you send me some pics of them and i got a few questions to ask about them.. i am trying to roughly plan what i am goin to do while and after i get out of high school and set some goals.

bobcat_ron
08-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Ron, Instead of adding the deck on top of the neck, why not get a welder to cut the GN off. Then re-weld the new deck lower to match the truck.

When my trailer goes in for inspection Iím getting this done, I can also move the king pin 3í back to get a tighter turn radius.

With the two machines on the combo grosses 12,800 KG. over the scale.

Now you got me wondering where those mountains in the back ground are? Chilliwack? Pitt Meadows? Langley?

But seriously, I'm sticking to a small neck on the deck (ha-ha, I made a rhyme) This trailer is just short enough to get into the tight driveways in rural areas and long enough to haul the ZX75, and I don't want to make any more modifications to the truck. Even having the GN at the current height is nice, I can still walk under it to get to the other side, I am a fat man, I hate jumping off and on the deck to get over.

bobcatuser
08-05-2008, 10:37 PM
The mountains are the north shore, the picture was taken at the Vancouver airport.

I like the new trailer but it takes some planning to get around some of the streets in Vancouver, I can go almost anywhere a 5 ton truck can.

Shadetree Ltd
08-06-2008, 03:42 AM
I have used timbrens in many different vehicles. I do not really like them in a rear axle setting. For the same price you can go to Pacbrake and get airbags. In my old Dodge the timbrens don't make contact with the pacbrake bags at 70 psi. The Air Canada sign gave away the north shore mountains and airport picture. It doesn't matter how you guys load them, they are nice set ups.

Gravel Rat
08-06-2008, 12:57 PM
Air bags are not strong enough for a F-450 it is why the tow truck operators prefer timbrens.

The thing about the timbrens is they are low maintenance they also don't blow like air bags.